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Or this meaning pressure? Or this meaning what?
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Oatsmaster
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this meaning the game? Or this meaning pressure? Or this meaning what? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On June 23 2013 13:59 Oatsmaster wrote: No hapa, you said 'if you're not gonna take this' this meaning the game? Or this meaning pressure? Or this meaning what? The game. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Adam4167
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Oatsmaster
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On June 23 2013 14:00 Oatsmaster wrote: Can you ask me some specific questions? What is your complete read on myself and marv? Is there anything else other than our "bad-town reads" on Yamato? Given that your Coag suspicion went away in like 5 seconds, who else would you consider a scum-read? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
I dont get where you are going with this. So far, in the examples you gave, bad people were town. Where do you get the idea that I would flip scum then? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On June 23 2013 14:02 Oatsmaster wrote: Hapa, the reason you think Im scum is because I cant explain why I think you are scum, Associative to DP and meta. Right? Not anymore. You're constantly refusing to substantiate any reads on myself and any other player you have scum-reads on. Hell if you can't explain why I'm scum, why the fuck do you think I'm scum? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On June 23 2013 14:01 Adam4167 wrote: No. There's being unintentionally bad, where I will try to figure you out (go see duel mafia and my read on sylencia), and then being intentionally bad, such as Kush in smurf. You don't want to put the effort into playing properly, then i don't want you around with the idea lingering in the back of my head that you could be scum playing us for fools. We're not lynching Oats unless we think he's scum. Period. Do you think Oats is scum? Also presumably you caught-up with the thread now that you're posting - who are your other scum-reads? | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
On June 23 2013 14:03 Oatsmaster wrote: Kush flipped town in smurf. I dont get where you are going with this. So far, in the examples you gave, bad people were town. Where do you get the idea that I would flip scum then? I'm well aware what he flipped. He made himself intentionally unreadable, as you are doing now. I'm done with unreadable. If you don't want to play the game, don't sign up. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On June 23 2013 14:05 Adam4167 wrote: I'm well aware what he flipped. He made himself intentionally unreadable, as you are doing now. I'm done with unreadable. If you don't want to play the game, don't sign up. so you are pissed at me cause you are bad and dont know how to read the 6 pages of filter day 1 where everyone thought I was town. Huh. Hapa, im not sure. which is why i didnt POST ANYTHING. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On June 23 2013 14:10 Oatsmaster wrote: so you are pissed at me cause you are bad and dont know how to read the 6 pages of filter day 1 where everyone thought I was town. Huh. Hapa, im not sure. which is why i didnt POST ANYTHING. What do you mean "not sure"? What's all this crap then? On June 23 2013 11:39 Oatsmaster wrote: hapa is bad or scum. probably scum. Whoop. Why? 1. Consolidation is a good thing. 2. Meta needs to be compared with my scum games too. 3. Early d1 and late d1 reads change. I did say that I thought DP was town. Also I was asking marv how he thought yamato was town and I pointed out the scummy stuff... CONTEXT BOY. On June 23 2013 12:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol why you give up? BECAUSE YOU ARE SCUM. Anyway yeah Scum is Hapa and Marv currently. Don't backtrack on me about "not being sure". You weren't acting that way, and when I called you out on it, you showed up with nothing. What is your read on me? What was the purpose in posting all that shit above about me being scum if you don't think I'm scum? It sounds like you tried to buddy Rayn's case and now you're back-peddling when I smacked you in the face for it. | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
On June 23 2013 14:05 Hapahauli wrote: We're not lynching Oats unless we think he's scum. Period. Do you think Oats is scum? Also presumably you caught-up with the thread now that you're posting - who are your other scum-reads? I am reasonably caught up. Right now I want to see more out of GoodKarma, ShioaPi and Raynpelikoneet. Oats would be on this list as well if he weren't playing like a dick. I consider everyone on the DP wagon to be out of the question for tomorrow. Those of us that were on GK yesterday, I actually have some of my better townreads on: Cora, Marv and yourself (in that order). | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On June 23 2013 14:15 Adam4167 wrote: I am reasonably caught up. Right now I want to see more out of GoodKarma, ShioaPi and Raynpelikoneet. Oats would be on this list as well if he weren't playing like a dick. So presumably you find each person scummy to some degree. Can you elaborate your thoughts on each? I'm most interested in your thoughts on Rayn. | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
Oats and Rayn both clearly were inactive at the time of lynch. So I don't see their lack of consolidation as really alignment indicative. Or I should say that as scum they'd have no motive to proactively lurk through the lynch since scumteam would have done everything in its power to keep DP alive. And as town they'd have no motive for lying about it. I mean it's possible that literally the entire scumteam was inactive, but I find it highly unlikely. And the scumteam would not be trying to form up two scum bandwagons, so I don't understand how after the lynch today anyone can genuinely think that I'm scum... Of those on my bandwagon, I'd say Shao is most likely to flip scum. I've already highlighted why... And I find it troubling that Hapa, who as town in I Swear, more or less considered Shao town for being active early and "having balls," isn't hard on his case here where clearly he is playing a game as a Shao that doesn't give a shit about playing this game. With DP inactive, and Shao inactive, I'd say that scumteam would more or less be forced to try to force my mislynch (specifically), as opposed to other candidates. Then the challenge is to see who specifically seems to have an almost forced changed of heart on their stance on me. Marv comes to mind. His vote post on me isn't entirely out of the blue, but it does feel off. Marv was definitely in a position where he could try to change the vote to a candidate that was neither me nor DP, yet he chose to push my wagon forward. He also has quite a lot to say about Shao, which will be worth looking into should he flip red (which I feel is likely). Corazon has played a pretty active game, yet from what I've seen he has the capability of doing this as scum... I do have one question specifically for him: Corazon, what is your read on Hapa? As for Hapa, it doesn't sit well with me how he seems to still be of such a conviction that I'm scum, when scumteam would have every motivation to push my mislynch over losing DP on day 1. It also doesn't sit well with me how he's spent much of his focus on those that weren't on my wagon, when those specifically on my wagon is really something that deserves a lot of attention. That being said, I've got a lot of filter-diving to do to ascertain whether there is scum motive behind the multiple wagons he tried to push throughout the day. And this is something I'm just not getting to tonight. And finally, there's Adam. There's literally just about nothing I can say of this guy. He just replaced in, so I'm going to carefully look at everything he posts... And in case anyone was wondering: Oats and Rayn I both have pegged as bad townies atm. It more has to do with their willingness to attract so much attention to themselves with some of the things they've done moreso than anything else. All in all, I've got a crapton of stuff to still look at, but I remain convinced that we should lynch Shao tomorrow. | ||
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Hapahauli
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There's really not much in that post I can draw from, but I await to see what you have for us when you catch up. That being said, I want to address one thing: As for Hapa, it doesn't sit well with me how he seems to still be of such a conviction that I'm scum, when scumteam would have every motivation to push my mislynch over losing DP on day 1. It also doesn't sit well with me how he's spent much of his focus on those that weren't on my wagon, when those specifically on my wagon is really something that deserves a lot of attention. The thing about the DP lynch is that there wasn't much vocal opposition to it. Even players on your wagon (such as marv and I) were perfectly happy to see DP hang. You say that scum wanted to resist the DP wagon and want to do everything in their power to stop it, but where does that resistance come from? For me, the key to figuring out this game is your allignment. If you're town, then players like Adam and Shiao catapult to the top of the lynch list. However you've done very little to demonstrate that you're town, or even care about this game. You posted a case on Shiao and fucked off without having ever pushed it. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On June 23 2013 14:24 goodkarma wrote: Corazon, what is your read on Hapa? I have a town read on Hapa as well. Hapa's been playing a very focused and straightfoward game: he's pursuing his scum reads and promoting active discussion. He also talked me out of lynching Yamato, who looks very townie now. When I unvoiced Yamato, the lynch went from being Yamato to being DP. Scum Hapa would've sat there and allowed me to vote Yamato off. Why would he convince me to switch off of the counter lynch to scum DP? That just does not make sense. Unless this was some sort of crazy bus, I don't see Hapa as a threat. The only way I would see Hapa being a threat is if he survives to D3/D4. I wouldn't see scum letting him live that wrong unless he was completely wrong with his reads. While that was the case in I Sware mafia, I don't think Hapa is the type of player to get reads completely wrong 2 games in a row. Anything else you want to know? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On June 23 2013 14:41 cDgCorazon wrote: When I unvoiced Yamato EBWOP: unvoted | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
I'm not as sure that he's scum anymore. He's responding fairly quickly and not showing very much guilt while doing so. While his answers are incoherent and unprepared, they do make sense provided that he was calling me scum in order to "poke" me and see how I'd react. I still find him "poking" somewhat uncharacteristic for his town-game (he's usually much more direct/forceful with his reads), but I'll need to sleep on it and see what his actual reads end up being before I make a final judgement call. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
Has your read on Oats changed since On June 21 2013 15:18 goodkarma wrote: Different people play scum in different ways. You say that the way Oats has played so far would be impossible for scum because there's "no survival instinct." I would strongly disagree with that. Oats so far hasn't really persay tunneled anyone all that hard. Coming from a game where he (as town) literally devoted all his energies to trying to get me lynched, his play this game is dramatically different. Sure, it's early and he could maybe not have that guy he's feeling really strongly is scum, but it is odd that he can so lightly jump on and off of people the way he has. Especially what he did with Yamato felt a bit off to me, more or less completely sheeping thread sentiment while entirely abandoning any focus on his prior scumreads. I really haven't seen this "lack of survival instinct" you seem to have. This is a guy that as town waves his arms in the air and begs to get mislynched or vigshot for how scummy he looks. Here, I'd say he's not really acting like that. ? Especially after his recent outburst of random bullcrap that he calls scumhunting? | ||
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