I Swear This Is Normal Mini Mafia

On June 06 2013 00:10 marvellosity wrote:
yes, he's going to ply you with bland food.

Be afraid.

On June 06 2013 00:17 marvellosity wrote:
Almost as awful as a singaporean playing mafia

On June 06 2013 00:41 TheDavison wrote:
laksa.. gruel

some uneducated may say its the same thing, dear =P

On June 06 2013 00:57 DarthPunk wrote:
So is it just me or did oates totally smurf slip?

On June 06 2013 20:06 marvellosity wrote:


not sure you quite understand the concept of the sitout ;p

On June 09 2013 23:00 Sylencia wrote:
Oats - is going against the flow a bad thing necessarily?

On June 09 2013 15:01 VayneAuthority wrote:


to generate discussion, I want to see who the stragglers vote for

On June 10 2013 00:10 Stutters695 wrote:
Am I missing something? Shiao has said next to nothing about anything except he wants two votes. How does this make him a good mayor?

On June 10 2013 01:05 Sylencia wrote:


Everyone who's put a mayor vote on Shiao looks super sheepy anyways, why would that matter if he sheeped onto the Shiao vote?

On June 10 2013 01:24 Stutters695 wrote:

I'm not against him being mayor, I'm against selecting a mayor off of twelve hours of discussion at the beginning of the game. He might be the best choice later on but I want to see actual discussion about it.

Let's say for example I wanted to run. My credentials would be that I'm incredibly easy to read and don't get mislynched (except WLIIA where I consented to being lynched because confirming my alignment essentially ended the game). Why would Shiao be a better candidate than me?

On June 10 2013 01:26 VayneAuthority wrote:


I didn't really see any discussion besides you spamming YO U TOWN BRO YA U T00 and shaio giving out cookies. If that's discussion then by all means, continue. I don't even think there is enough people to form a scum team after all the free passes you gave out.

On June 10 2013 01:32 VayneAuthority wrote:


You know who makes pre-conceived notions about what scum does and then tries to spin it? scum. You can't read me so don't bother.

On June 10 2013 01:33 VayneAuthority wrote:


Incorrect, you are my first scumread, shaio is merely hypothetical to wake people up. Never played with him before so null-read

On June 10 2013 01:39 VayneAuthority wrote:


How can I read him before he has voted for anything or anyone has died? All he's done is campaign for mayor uncontested it's pretty hard to get anything out of that

On June 10 2013 01:45 VayneAuthority wrote:

seriously you are just ignoring how I play and making an excuse to lynch me, I see no other motive in your play. Its obvious as hell, then when I flip green you just fly under the radar fitting in with the crowd. You aren't gonna pull a fast one on me so give it up.

On June 10 2013 01:49 Stutters695 wrote:

Because there is absolutely no reason to have a read on him one way or the other when all he's done is said vote for me because I'm town and I'll give you a cookie. It's pointless for establishing a read and just as easy for scum to do with the intent of avoiding real discussion.

On June 10 2013 01:52 VayneAuthority wrote:


When do I ever follow the cookie cutter? enough said.

That you think I'm just trying to stick out as scum is

1.asinine
2. misrepresentation

Ok, so how is dropping a vote on someone not even running a serious mayoral campaign a better way of creating discussion? Much less one that's completely unjustified and that provides absolutely nothing to discuss?

1) He has a lack of natural suspicion.

Him immediately trusting my words and supporting the ShaioPi campaign after displaying suspicion of it is not natural in the 7-minute window in which he did it. I had accepted his explanation as "open" before, but 7 minutes is an absurd turn-around. I'd expect him to be much more naturally suspicious in his 2nd non-newbie game ever on this site.

I had bought his explanation (of sub-consciously trusting me as town) earlier, however I don't think it's as compelling as I had initially thought. All he's really doing is buddying up to me, which is nothing new for scum to do.

2)
On June 09 2013 18:48 jampidampi wrote:
A campaign being serious or not is based on the smilies. No smilies = serious campaign. Smilies = joke campaign. What makes a campaign is trying to get others to vote for you. Axle voted himself, because he didn't have better alternatives. But since he isn't asking others to vote him, it's not a campaign.

@Hapa
Are you trying to help Vayne play better or are you noting something you find somewhat scummy? Your post is not clear to me.


The underlined question in this post makes no sense objectively.

Jampi mentioned that he subconsciously trusted me as town, and seemingly has some sort of town-read on me. Furthermore, he answered Stutters question (directed towards me) in the first half of his post.

If he's treating me as town, this question makes no sense. Because if he trusts me, my answer to this question has absolutely no relevancy towards anything (such as the read he's suggesting on Vayne).

Futhermore, jampi just hasn't posted any content thusfar. He has 6-7 posts and absolutely zero meaningful content. Even with Day 1 caveats, jampis filter reads like an attempt to contribute by posting useless things.

And of course I'm the best, most experienced, and most intelligent player here,

As for VA, I have been nothing but impressed by his play that I've seen. He's been a capable scumhunter, and he utterly hoodwinked me in Les Mafia. Whereas most of the player list is cluttered with jubjubs and followers (if you're reading this, I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about the other guys), VA is smart. He's not a veteran in terms of games played but for his excellent play in my interactions with him I consider him a vet. That being said, the guy DID utterly hoodwink me, which means the fact that I have a townread on him is meaningless. I can't catch him when he's scum-- or at least, not yet. Anyone that good I'd keep an eye on-- but if he's town, he can use the power wisely. Given my strong townread on hapa though I see no reason to entrust VA with the power.

Now that I think about it, I'm beginning to think it's actually a towntell. I'm fairly certain a scum player who sees Blazinghand playing in a different way will push him in a sidelong way but not say he's 3p. Hapa saw me playing in a different way, but Hapa knows how I play as scum, and this isn't it. It seems a reasonable though process to say "BH is acting different, but not like the scum BH I know. Is he 3p?", and although I gave him some crap for it, it's not a good move for him to make as scum. Obviously, his meta speculation is unfounded, since my 3p game (so far, at least) has been characterized by strident aggressive play.

On June 10 2013 16:01 Blazinghand wrote:
Oats how mad are you that I caught you with like zero effort. HOW MAD, TELL ME

On June 10 2013 16:14 Blazinghand wrote:
like, jesus oats you wonder why you get mislynched all the time, it's you're about as useful as a screen door on a submarine

On June 10 2013 16:15 Blazinghand wrote:


okay, you disagree with me about hapa. This means you think he's scum, and you aren't like somewhat worried about scum getting elected mayor? I'm a pretty influential guy, Oats. Come on! Convince me!

wat

Are you a 3rd party or something? You sound so... different.

If you really think scum Hapa would go for a play like that, and do it with a quote like that, then I think we'll just have to agree to disagree, Oats.

On June 10 2013 23:28 ShiaoPi wrote:
@Oats:
I can understand your desire to not trust hapa straight off the bat, but are you seriously that much convinced that he is scum?
From what I gather from your posts your main issue with him seems to be his case on jampi and his sudden desire to run for mayor, am I correct?

I don't think it's a tell when people do that - I tried calling rayn out in LXI for that and he was town in the end iirc.

Bitch fighting isn't scummy, is it?

On June 11 2013 11:15 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh huh well no vet powers for me. That's silly.

Sorry jampi. Wish you posted more.

On June 04 2013 09:13 Hapahauli wrote:
/in

***I'm going to be trying some play-style changes (namely being less spammy), so this is advanced notice***

On June 09 2013 17:12 Hapahauli wrote:

As for my read on jampi in particular, this post struck me as absurdly genuine:


It's a very blunt, honest, and complete picture of his thought-process. Scum under pressure would likely fudge some answer about how ShiaoPi's meta is so obvious on a simple readthrough of his past scum-games. Instead, jampi is using a lot of arguments that scum would be incredibly scared of using. Like what scum would admit that they haven't read one of my scum-games before deciding to trust me?

Now to emphasize, this does not mean that I'll forget about Jampi for the rest of the game because I think he's confirmed town. Rather, a good portion of the reason I'm making these reads is to make people start actually talking about reads/analysis and to direct my early-game focus.

Also, I'm usually pretty accurate with my early-game reads :3

Furthermore, you're harping on a really small segment of my gameplay

Yes, so? I've been eager to see what my mayor powers will be all day. I've posted to that effect several times. Wouldn't you be excited to get the keys to the city?

Please keep in mind that I had an excuse to lurk and be passive all of today and I chose not to and instead to lead a mayoral campaign and be the most active player in the thread. If you think that is suspicious, then I doubt I'll ever be able to say anything to change your mind.

It makes him nothing. It makes him null. You can't read a guy off of one post.

On June 11 2013 14:22 Hapahauli wrote:


Talk to me about your Syl read. And Stutters.

Secondly, you can't expect GK to replace in, and immediately read 27 pages of filter within an hour.

He said he'd catch up tomorrow morning, so let him catch up and then make a decision about it based on his reads. That's my plan anyway.




Correction: you can't reliably read someone off of one post.

On June 11 2013 00:01 Sylencia wrote:


I don't think it's a tell when people do that - I tried calling rayn out in LXI for that and he was town in the end iirc.

I'm more up for lynching Vayne today though - his apparent reasoning for his weird posts, which is for survival (but in a sense that the posts are scummy enough that scum have a reason to keep him alive) is a pretty weak reason and having some sort of hidden agenda behind his play? If he had a hidden agenda, why would be tell us so? If it's something to use in the future to find scum, well now they're more wary and more likely to target Vayne, which is the exact opposite of what he wanted to do (survive).

##Vote Vayne

On June 10 2013 01:05 Sylencia wrote:


Everyone who's put a mayor vote on Shiao looks super sheepy anyways, why would that matter if he sheeped onto the Shiao vote?



Great reasoning. . . . .. .. . .. . .. . .



Maybe stutters is too shy to say he wants mayor :D

I've played many many games of mafia, and through all my experiences, there's no correlation between people who have no scumreads and being scummy.

On June 11 2013 17:51 Blazinghand wrote:
but basically you should shoot oats because nothing he's said all game has made any sense or belied any town perspective on anything. the fact he's backed off from me actually makes me think he might be town, but his constant goading and irrational unprovoked flaming makes me think he's trying to shit up the thread: so scum

On June 11 2013 17:59 Blazinghand wrote:
1) there's literally zero chance we're lynching hapa tomorrow
2) the idea that we'll lynch GK for not formulating a scumread on a 20+ page game within minutes of replacing in is utterly preposterous

On June 11 2013 18:16 Blazinghand wrote:
god you know what oats might be town just for thinking that he was going to trick me into "revealing" what i think scum hapa could do to convince me scum hapa is scum from this position. That's such a juvenile thought process on how to catch someone that I just can't imagine someone FAKING that. it's. it's like wat

man i don't even

man

On June 11 2013 18:30 Hapahauli wrote:


Really?

Might I remind you that you think I'm scum because I apparently understand my scum-play so much that I adapted and am magically playing an active scum-game despite having a reputation of being a terrible scum-player and having a large established history of it. And that I'm taking a town-leadership role which I've never come close to attempting to take in my scum-games ever. Ever.

Instead of - town Hapa is leading the town like he always does.

=/

On June 11 2013 18:31 Hapahauli wrote:


Well the thing is that he really never calls me scum.

He spreads a lot of suspicion on me and says I can't be trusted, but never actually justified why. And then at a certain point, he arrives at a town-read on me.

On June 12 2013 23:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
i cant read you so not gonna happen lol. time to get your own starsenses brah

On June 12 2013 23:46 VayneAuthority wrote:
The problem is in scums hands they will just pick the most suspicious town, shoot him, and nobody will think anything of it. After we lynch some one today I will have a more clear picture of who we need to shoot.

On June 13 2013 00:53 Blazinghand wrote:
what kind of asinine question is that

On June 13 2013 01:17 Blazinghand wrote:
dude, oats, the point is me not having ego AND me having ego can't both be scumtells. like, come on man

On June 13 2013 01:30 Blazinghand wrote:
Obviously YOU don't think it's illogical.

On June 13 2013 02:47 GravityMan wrote:

Worse than the Les Mafia town for the same thing?
If he's town and performs adequately I promise I will unvote him.

On June 13 2013 02:48 Blazinghand wrote:
Look even oats knows I'm town.

On June 13 2013 10:51 goodkarma wrote:


It's a pattern of behavior more than a single quote. I mean, I could grab multiple dickish comments from BH and throw them in thread, but that's not going to show to you anything. It's who he's pushed and how that matter, and that similarity is something that you're going to have to do some digging of your own to see.

On June 13 2013 11:33 GravityMan wrote:
Oats:

Can you explain the town motivation for this?

On June 13 2013 10:46 goodkarma wrote:


Your first question is very rhetorical... I'm being very useful. It's you that are asking useless questions... Further it should be clear from my recent posting what I think about BH.

As for stutters, my read on him was slight town. Since that time, he's said some things that are odd to me. I'd say he's more of a null read now. Like I don't understand how he instantly assumes Vayne fakeclaimed at one point when there's been no counterclaims, and how later on he's brought up I should be vigishot immediately for lurking even though it's clear I post in the evening, and the day cycle is only halfway done. These are actions that very well could be scum-motivated, but I need to see him post a bit more to be sure. As I've said, town Stutters has moments where he'll post stuff that's actually insightful. I felt that was what I was seeing with his posting on Shao, but that's really the only point this whole game he's been like that.

I do think you're town Oats. And the only reason I believe that is looking at your past scumgames I can't visualize you drawing so much attention to yourself as scum, even if your play has been objectively scummy and bad.

On June 13 2013 12:56 GravityMan wrote:

You know very well that is not happening.
Especially now that he's started playing the game.

Which...ONCE AGAIN, is more than I can say for BH.

On June 13 2013 13:18 goodkarma wrote:


Some of your posts have my head hurting... Like this one:



The thing is scum even moreso do shit all the time to not help town... And then you go onto say that he either has pms or is scum... Like I don't think BH is physically capable of having PMS, so he must be scum?

Seriously though, you keep insisting he's town while providing no justification.


And when I provide both meta and non-meta reasons why BH is likely scum, you choose to:

1) Ignore anything I say that is non-meta
2) Say you're too lazy to look into The Game to see similarities to his play here...

So really we don't have anything to discuss until you pull your head our of your arse and consider the merits of what I've said, so don't act so sad about it...

To be sure I probably would have had reads out sooner, but my first post would have been the same regardless of alignment

On June 16 2013 21:00 Blazinghand wrote:
Moral of the story BH was obv town, clearly cagyuth like 90 scums then got mislynched hue