Roulette Mini Mafia

On May 28 2013 07:09 Promethelax wrote:
Rng says 14

On May 28 2013 11:39 Ace wrote:
Yes that's the thing - there are no counter claims. Scum can't CC in the setup because the roles won't be taken from the pool. Scum lose a powerful option to stopping the Town here. Every claim is taken at face value now because the Town does not care if it is Scum making it - the role still lives on.

If roles can be lynched Scum at least have the option of counter claiming Cops or Doctors. The game can hit "follow the cop" scenario once Scum KP = 1. Without 5 or more Scum that isn't a far-fetched scenario.

ETA: Game breaking scenarios:

Once Scum KP hits 1 the Cop claims. Medic protects him. Roleblocker claims.

A.) The Scum team can't hit the cop so they are left with looking for the doctor. Since the roles are random every night they have to get lucky and hope they get doctor themselves. There are no good power role hunting heuristics available since who gets the doctor role switches all the time. Scum clearly don't want to kill the roleblocker with only 1 KP as they lose the potential to stop a claimed Cop. They are at the mercy of the RNG heavily.

Every day the Town tells the Doctor to claim. If the Doctor does not claim they know one of the people not claiming was Scum. This is the only option they have to deal with the Cop - pure RNG of getting the role. Otherwise the cop is unstoppable.

B.) With the roleblocker claiming they can choose to RB anyone but the Cop. A roleblocked Cop = roleblocker is Scum. So that option is out of play for them. Scum would need to get roleblocker, hit the medic and shoot the cop most likely through random investigation with their RoleCop. Once again they are at the mercy of the RNG.

No matter what path it takes the Town can ignore the RNG and have everyone claim as it is the most ProTown thing to do. The Scum team's options are limited. Without help from the RNG its a game of numbers.

On June 04 2013 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:

Or me...?

On June 04 2013 11:16 Ace wrote:


It wouldn't kill us outright but it would be an anti-town move not to do so. Especially if a hit is stopped. If no one claims we'll just take the actual claimers as more likely Town than not. But once again it would be really stupid of us not to claim.

If Scum RB cop same thing - we just have a narrower pool of suspects to look at. We'll take that small win in a random bad scenario happening every time.

Town motivation was literally asking questions of people to try and divine their alignment. Knowing how both JJD and Vayne played scum last game, I was curious if their answers towards my questions would help me figure out anything about the way they would be playing this game. If you choose to ignore this point then that's your prerogative. As far as new things brought, I brought plenty of new things to the table, including the suspicion and discussion towards me. Any discussion is good discussion on D1 even if the subject is somewhat misguided; it will allow people to get reads of me, with which I am fine. I consider my own townplay perfectly good and accomplishing exactly what I have set out to do, whilst being completely transparent in my thought processes in the meantime.

On June 05 2013 15:29 VayneAuthority wrote:


because hes useful if he decides to try later, no point mislynching him when there's a good chance mafia will kill him for us if he's not scum.

Ace tooots scum

On June 06 2013 04:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Didn't see Jay's post, reading now

On June 05 2013 14:07 slOosh wrote:
Ok, time for updates of thoughts before going to sleep.

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Who I want to lynch: [UoN]Sentinel

I think his approach to Ace's claim post was skewed. Why bother pointing out that the plan is not as gamebreaking as it initially seemed? He questions the plan, but doesn't offer up why it is detrimental to agree to it, nor does he offer a better plan as an alternative. Seems more likely an approach scum would take rather than town.

He voting for WoS is weak.
1) WoS wants to lynch a lurker. Sentinel is a lurker so he doesn't like this. Nothing here that indicates WoS is scum.

2) WoS doesn't ask people if he is scummy, he asks a couple of players who recently played scum with him what their opinion of his play is.

3) It is a very uninvested vote. He doesn't express a desire to get WoS lynched (only provides explanation for the sake of himself, not to convince others to vote him), and neglects to talk about any other suspects.

##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel

On June 06 2013 05:08 Ace wrote:


dont see how it can but why would you think that?

On June 06 2013 11:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vayne is probably the most confirmed town from that lynch.
Rayn could've said he was null, nope firmly town.


Sent totally scumslipped up there.
^^

On June 06 2013 18:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
No.
Sent.
The point is, in both of your scenarios, rayn flips red.
There is no scenario where rayn flips green in your head.
Thats where you scumslipped.

raynpelikoneet: This guy is pretty good and I don't see any of that so far. He hasn't done much so far and I don't like any of it.

On June 06 2013 07:00 prplhz wrote:
Okay guys I don't think it's fair to lynch rainpelikoneet today simply because I think that his work excuse is legit. There are a lot of votes on him because of his relative inactivity which I don't like at all. The only reason to lynch raynpelikoneet is his VayneAuthority town read. That someone is very right about you should arouse some suspicion but I remember in that game where yamato77 smurfed he was really right about me and somehow that also made me get a very strong town read on him (he was scum I was town).

I also don't think it's characteristic for scum to martyr in the way he does. There are no feelings in it, just some very collected thoughts about how "if you want to lynch me for inactivity then do it on day1 because it will not get better", that's actually very reasonable but it's not anything scum would say and I think scum would be much more emotional about martyring.

In short, I think raynpelikoneet is a bad lynch today and I really don't think we should lynch him. He's actually contributing really well considering that it appears that he really doesn't have much time for this game and the weird VayneAuthority read is not enough to make me want to lynch him.

On June 06 2013 02:40 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't necessarily think WoS is scum as its too early to tell but if that's my only other option besides rayn, so be it. He is one of my only townreads

On June 07 2013 08:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
Leaning towards sentinel being town and oats being scum, but my reads have been trash thus far, probably the worst ever.

On June 07 2013 11:23 kitaman27 wrote:


Vayne is correct. We 100% lynch between one of the two to reduce the kp.

bbl.

On June 08 2013 03:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thanks for moving firmly into scumland Sent with that comment.

On June 08 2013 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Im pretty much confirmed town after rayne flipped red, anyone pushing on me reminds me of goodkarma from the les mis game, except im goodkarma this game.

On June 08 2013 04:07 VayneAuthority wrote:


You just said me putting in more effort makes me scum. Make up your mind or stop trollin' its a perfect example

On June 08 2013 04:31 layabout wrote:

but wasn't the idea that rayne called vayne town was because he knew he was town?

On June 09 2013 07:11 Oatsmaster wrote:

VayneAuthority: Called town by rayn, flipped scum. That is pretty much the only reason to call him town though.I think its valid, so TOWN.

On June 09 2013 08:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
you know what that means then, we got 2 scum that bussed hard on rayn then. Re-evaluate all reads. 2 people in good standing with the town are scum.

On June 10 2013 08:16 Ace wrote:

On June 10 2013 08:21 VayneAuthority wrote:
dat jarjar kill interesting

On June 11 2013 11:35 kitaman27 wrote:


Scum team? Do you still have a mafia read on Vayne?

On June 12 2013 03:37 kitaman27 wrote:


prpl claims roleblock on Vivax.
Vayne claims medic on Wave.

Are you saying that mafia shot into the player they were protecting or that they double stacked last night? How wouldn't Vivax be scum if you have a mafia read on Vayne?

On June 12 2013 04:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sentinel, in future don't be involved with 5 games at the same time.
That's fucking retarded and people will be pissed at you when you ruin their games with inactivity.

On June 12 2013 04:37 kitaman27 wrote:


Who is more scummy between prpl and Vivax?

On June 12 2013 05:11 WaveofShadow wrote:

Counterclaiming (or fakeclaiming as scum if your team didn't draw the role) is suicide in this setup even more so than a regular one, Sentinel. That will never happen and it's honestly ridiculous that you brought it up.

On June 08 2013 04:07 VayneAuthority wrote:


You just said me putting in more effort makes me scum. Make up your mind or stop trollin' its a perfect example

On June 10 2013 08:24 VayneAuthority wrote:
So all that is in JJD's filter is sentinel stuff so not very useful. Is it WIFOM or is sentinel actually scum? Wish we had a cop check on him

On June 11 2013 02:43 VayneAuthority wrote:
##vote:ace

busy right now but willadd thoughts later

On June 11 2013 09:54 VayneAuthority wrote:
it wasnt really follow the cop oats was a fairly good lynch, he's impossible to read anyway so 1 less headache to deal with

On June 12 2013 07:11 jaybrundage wrote:
Hm Sent pushing Vayne actually is something i like. If they are both scum. Sent who is likely the next lynch. Has no town credibility would prolly not get very far into lynching Vayne. So similar to how Rayn gave a town read on Vayne and vayne tried to use it to look good. It would just be in inverse this time. Sent tries to push Vayne. Sent dies flips red. And then Vayne could be look at scum trying to push me i must be town.

I know im getting ahead of my self with assuming flips. But doesnt anyone have thoughts on this?

On June 12 2013 08:15 VayneAuthority wrote:


So are you softing that sentinel is surely scum? I know I am not scum so your theory is either wrong or you should just come out and say that. I think he just took it upon himself once he got the cop role to ensure some more deaths then leave it up to the others in good standing. The game is over anyway if me/sent are actually scum so I fail to see your logic.

On June 13 2013 10:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
I apologize if you are town vivax but lynching you solves the game for me FMPOV. If you were Rb'ed the other night and show up as scum, then WoS goes back to not being clear. If you are town then I know that WoS is also town and as a result his RB on sentinel is real, and your cop claim is real, meaning sentinel would either have to be godfather or it was simply kita that was shot which would clear him too.

You are the piece that sets a lot of things into motion.

##vote:Vivax

On June 13 2013 10:39 VayneAuthority wrote:


it's a win/win. If he's scum then one more down, if he's town then it confirms a lot of things for me. Also pretty much 1 of prphlz/stutters has to be scum if vivax flips town. He is the missing link.

On June 13 2013 10:49 Vivax wrote:


He can't be scum cause he saved WoS N2.
Unless scum doublestacked JJD there was a save involved, and that makes both WoS and Vayne town.

Take your pick.

On June 13 2013 22:40 kitaman27 wrote:
What do you think about Sent's post where he infers that he doesn't know Ace is the veteran? Feigning ignorance?

On June 05 2013 18:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:


Are you referring to this post?
Mafia wouldn't kill him just because he's a vet. There's actual townies to shoot. What the hell kind of reasoning is this.

On June 14 2013 04:24 jaybrundage wrote:

What do you think of the possibility of Sent just rolling Miller. It would be pretty convenient. But 1 out of 6 isn't that big of a chance. I just can't see him as town.

His complete flip based on prplhz and Vayne being scum wasnt even note worthy. Notice that he doesn't even really keep those scum reads. he doesnt really push anyone of them later.

On June 14 2013 05:18 jaybrundage wrote:

Plz humor me and write a case.

On June 14 2013 05:20 jaybrundage wrote:

Considering that there are 4 other power roles. 6 normal townies left 1 miller between 6 townies.

On June 15 2013 02:28 mkfuba07 wrote:

Was going through the thread (on page 43 currently) and this caught my eye. The bolded strikes me as really scummy. As town, you're considering multiple scenarios. You're not considering whether Ace is cop because to town Ace was cop. The entire bolded portion is from a scum perspective. He only mentions oats being town and getting miller, and he only considers whether Ace is cop (a possibility that should only be considered by scum, since they can pretty much trade roles around).

I am really, really comfortable with my vote where it is. I'm not sure which of vivax or prplhz would flip scum, but sentinel is pretty much confirmed for me.