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On June 06 2013 03:26 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 03:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
This I don't.
Why do I have to be scum in order to criticize your play?
What are the several scummy things you've seen from me?
Why aren't you pushing your own scumread, Oats? You don't. But I'd think you'd @ least somewhat suspect us if we're trying to save your scumread from being lynched by voting for someone you know is town (yourself). I've mentioned stuff and so have other people. I mean, you've had several votes on you. Why do you think that is? I don't want to post a case against you because I don't think you're the best lynch today. But you're a better lynch than rayn. I voted Oats, posted my case against him, and responded to his rebuttal. What else should I do? Spam the thread?
I already explained re:Vayne why just because you vote me to 'save my scumread' it doesn't necessarily make you scum.
'Stuff?' Does not compute JJD. Anything people have voted me for has been explained in great detail either by me or others. Care to explain why you still find me scummy? I've also already explained why there have been votes on me as well.
If I'm not the best lynch today then you have no excuses. Push your goddamn target. When was the last time you said anything about Oats? People probably forgot all about him. Honestly, you're digging yourself a hole here. The fact that you continue to stand by your shit reasoning looks worse to me than Vayne having none.
I want one of two things right now:
You're either voting for me and providing ample reasoning for it, or you admit you were wrong about me and you continue to push Oats. Your play does not support anything else right now.
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On June 06 2013 03:33 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 03:32 Vivax wrote:On June 06 2013 03:30 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 06 2013 03:28 Vivax wrote:
If you're town the site you come from breeds really bad blood.
##Unvote
##Vote Rayn
Can you give me an opinion on Rayn's last post? Lets remember that you shot wrong as vig in carnival and call it a day. You aren't superior in any way. I'd shoot you any day for the way you play. I shot you precisely cause you didn't contribute, except for flaming Prom. And people called my gut read on prp bullshit and he was scum, nuff said
Vayne I don't give a shit about D1 gutreads. There has been plenty of activity in the thread thus far, and unless the entire scumteam is lurking right now (possible, I know) then we should be able to find one WITH reasoning.
This isn't epicmafia; we actually put forth effort on D1.
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On June 06 2013 03:35 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 03:34 Vivax wrote:On June 06 2013 03:33 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 06 2013 03:32 Vivax wrote:On June 06 2013 03:30 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 06 2013 03:28 Vivax wrote:
If you're town the site you come from breeds really bad blood.
##Unvote
##Vote Rayn
Can you give me an opinion on Rayn's last post? Lets remember that you shot wrong as vig in carnival and call it a day. You aren't superior in any way. I'd shoot you any day for the way you play. I shot you precisely cause you didn't contribute, except for flaming Prom. And people called my gut read on prp bullshit and he was scum, nuff said So did they call my case shit when I wanted to lynch him D1. I don't recall you being one of the supporters. Then you need to reread the game lol. We died the same day and all i got to do was push a prphlz lynch and have VE and other scum try to frame me. Im a good target for that so anyone trying to get me lynched is pretty suspicious.
Hey this sounds familiar. You use this reasoning yet this same thing happened to me in the same game where they killed Kita and scum were trying to do something with it because in Kita's like 2 posts he mentioned me.
Am I not allowed to use the same reasoning here to find a scumread? There were 4 people on that wagon trying to get me lynched and Rayn is one of them.
You get into these fights almost every game with people here; I just don't understand how they must play on epicmafia. Does everybody just post random bullshit and hope they find scum based on luck alone? Or sit back and hope other people do the analysis for you? Explain what it is you DO here, Vayne.
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On June 06 2013 03:42 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 03:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 06 2013 03:35 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 06 2013 03:34 Vivax wrote:On June 06 2013 03:33 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 06 2013 03:32 Vivax wrote:On June 06 2013 03:30 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 06 2013 03:28 Vivax wrote:
If you're town the site you come from breeds really bad blood.
##Unvote
##Vote Rayn
Can you give me an opinion on Rayn's last post? Lets remember that you shot wrong as vig in carnival and call it a day. You aren't superior in any way. I'd shoot you any day for the way you play. I shot you precisely cause you didn't contribute, except for flaming Prom. And people called my gut read on prp bullshit and he was scum, nuff said So did they call my case shit when I wanted to lynch him D1. I don't recall you being one of the supporters. Then you need to reread the game lol. We died the same day and all i got to do was push a prphlz lynch and have VE and other scum try to frame me. Im a good target for that so anyone trying to get me lynched is pretty suspicious. Hey this sounds familiar. You use this reasoning yet this same thing happened to me in the same game where they killed Kita and scum were trying to do something with it because in Kita's like 2 posts he mentioned me. Am I not allowed to use the same reasoning here to find a scumread? There were 4 people on that wagon trying to get me lynched and Rayn is one of them. You get into these fights almost every game with people here; I just don't understand how they must play on epicmafia. Does everybody just post random bullshit and hope they find scum based on luck alone? Or sit back and hope other people do the analysis for you? Explain what it is you DO here, Vayne. Well, I don't write long posts that are wrong hopefully that narrows it down. I come from a psychology background, not an english background.
On May 07 2013 03:52 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:34 nobodywonder wrote:@Hydra Hi, good I like your posting so far. Keep it up. What did you think about the outcome of the JarJar lynch? There may be a mafia on it perhaps so I'm very suscipious of casey. I also don't like the last minute random voting between jrkirby and spicydinosaur. that was weird. On May 07 2013 03:23 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 07 2013 00:10 AllHailHydraGod wrote:Hey! I'm highly suspicious of Spicydinosaur. His play seems calculated, coasting his vote on the guy who hasn't posted at all for 2/3 of Day 1 so he doesn't have to explain himself much when hopping on a wagon close to deadline. And the way his vote wound up on flowcaster is also "troubling". See his filter, in posts #3 and #4 he's asking questions which I would interpret as townie but then it's like he doesn't even care about them at all. His # 5 is this: On May 06 2013 02:22 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Voted for FloWcaster for no postings. Still waiting on a few others analysis to decide if im going to change it. Got a busy day but will hopefully be back in time for deadline. What happened to his inquiries regarding nobodywonder's reason to vote Vayne.. or shirokami's lack of content and postponing analysis? Does he find them satisfying or scummy or what, he simply votes for pressuring the non-poster instead of pursuing his suspicions, letting people know where he stands.. they must've given him some impression but my hunch is he's not willing to share them because he wants to keep his options of jumping on their wagon open. His catch-up post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18508502］#6 does not give the impression as if he's interested to find things out. There's something about the way he starts his posts, look: On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
It seems at this point that flowcaster is going to be replaced so my vote for him is pointless and im going to change it. For the following reasons i am voting for Targe.
I had suspected shirokami because of his lack of posts, but once he got on he was talkative and gave his opinion.
First off he's like warming up to it by saying his vote on flowcaster is useless. This is either townie realizing he has been playing anti-town or apologetic, cheeky scum. I can't tell but judging by the way he says these are the reasons for voting for Targe .. i don't know, sounds like it's hard for him to do so and he's getting ready to write some fiction. I mean since scum talk in their QT about who's mislynch to push I feel like this is a coordinated move in that they decided that Targe should be Spicydinosaur's target but he seems like he's working hard to come up with reasons. But the next sentence is where I think he gave himself away: On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I had suspected shirokami because of his lack of posts, but once he got on he was talkative and gave his opinion.
As I've said he probably kept his options open to jump on one of the two he has questioned, actually, the only 2 people he had any sort of interactions with and even with these folks he didn't bother to comment on their replies to his questions. So here we see him choosing one of these options. The way the post is designed it's really rather sincere, like saying I was coasting so now I'm voting for one of the two guys I have a few sentences of content against, being extra careful because voting for anyone else would raise questions and scum/I don't like to explain myself. On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I'll be on till vote time if anything needs help understanding.
Understanding what? It's not like he left room for anything to misinterpret, he's scum and it's that simple. Others are concerned about switching the vote because JarJar doesn't seem scummy whereas he is concerned about people understanding his post. In fact I thought him and flowcaster where the scumteam and he used the inactivity of his scumbuddy to distance himself from him knowing well that if he fails to show up he'd get replaced, or that he could easily switch off him once he starts to post. That is not the case though. I'm town and you should sheep me on this one. I'll go over other people's filters shortly. My general impression is that jrkirby, nobodywonder, Targe and jampidampi are town. Also LAL means Lynch All Liars afaik. And lurkers aren't people who don't post at all but people who post little with little to no original content .. like Spicy. I will come out and say at the least incase I die tonight that I agree a lot with this analysis. Targe and spicydinosaur are 2 of my prime suspects, also wary of espi.casey. if you think you are going to die, you might as well give us the dirt on Targe. I don't see the point of delaying your analysis any further. what do you think of the other posters, any that take your attention? what do you think of hydra's case on dino? its worthless until any killing occur so if I die then so be it. I agree with his analysis on spicydinosaur for a couple of reasons. 1. he starts off the game by saying he was looking up ways, such as lurking, that would be considered anti-town. If that isnt suspicious I don't know what is. Onto more concrete evidence... 2. mafia tend to ask a lot of questions but don't have a lot of answers. asking why people are voting for others and what they think about others gives the illusion of productivity but in reality adds nothing. 3. Tons of bandwagoning and general agreeance with others. As soon as anybody pipes up about having suspicions about somebody else, he is right there to agree. I am also adding the flowcaster early vote to this. 4. Voting for targe late even though it has no impact on the vote. Shifts him away from the JarJar lynch and also separates scum into different places so as to cause confusion. If targe or spicy flips mafia, I would strongly consider the other being mafia as well. [/url]
Oh rearry?
Was Spicy scum in this game? I forget.
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Here's the thing Vayne.
You don't have to write long posts that are right or wrong, but you have to do something useful if you actually care about winning this game as town.
If you're scum then continue to play as you are, I guess.
Vivax, if you had to lynch someone other than Rayn, who would it be?
Sentinel?
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On June 06 2013 05:55 Ace wrote:Rayne voters: Zephirdd, mkfuba07, WaveofShadow, Vivax, Stutters, Vivax, layabout, Ace, [UoN]Sentinel
Zephirdd: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18807061Activity and rayne taking things out of context. Based on his post this is looking more like an activity reasoning. mkfuba: made the case on rayne Wos: also made a case on rayne Vivax: looks like from questioning rayne. Is just as up for a Vayne lynch. Not inactivity, but a best of the worst lynch. Stutters: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414632&user=276621¤tpage=3looking at his last filter page I think it's an inactivity vote since he mentioned me and I was also afk. layabout: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18807613says rayne tries to discredit him, lies about him Sentinel: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18808864sheep/gut read Of these 2 are votes with really strong reasoning, another which comes off as vengeful (layabout) but equally valid since his feeling could be legit. All the other votes could be lumped into inactivity/not strong but rayne will do. And mine which is based on furba's case. That means half the wagon is voting for rayne based on inactivity and the other half because we think he is likely scum more than anyone else. I don't know if that is enough to actually overturn the wagon on him in 2 hours. The only person I'd consider at the moment over rayne is Oats and I don't think many people are up for lynching him.
Rayn can 100% get me to switch my vote off of him if shows up in a bit like he says and performs as I would expect him to.
Ace knowing how Oats plays why do you say Oats is a good lynch?
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On June 06 2013 06:46 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I'm here. But my vote is already on Oats. I'd also be plenty fine w/ a WoS vote @ this point. Especially in light of his latest post. Oh he'd 100% switch his vote if rayn shows up and performs? W/ < 2 hours left he knows it's extremely unlikely to get everyone to switch to another target so what's the point of saying that?
Wave, let's say Rayn does show up and convinces you he's town. Who would you switch to?
You are so ridiculous.
First:
A point for him is the last post where he attempts to question others about his read on me, which is a town Rayn thing to do, but then he disappears, which is decidedly NOT.
I am fine with a Rayn lynch today if activity continues as is.
From my earlier case. If his activity doesn't continue as is, wouldn't it follow that I'd be fine to not lynch him? Considering he started to show his regular way of posting in the post where he asks about his case on me, I'd conisder it.
But even more interesting is the fact that you say this, and yet you say:
Have to run for a bit but I'll be back before the deadline just in case there's actually a good wagon to jump on.
This is different because?
Now as far as who I'd switch to, I'm honestly not sure atm. Oats doesn't look like a good lynch to me simply because I don't see any differences between how he is playing this game and what made me think he was scummy in Carnival Cruise. Ace returning and seeming to care about the lynch makes me not want to lynch him (not that I did earlier anyway).
Interestingly enough, both solstice and stutters have promised activity and have not delivered.
On June 05 2013 23:08 s0Lstice wrote:
gentlemen, there's been a bunch of stuff conspiring to keep me away from a computer. Later today I should have time to catch up. I've been following loosely on my phone, so a closer read should be quicker than usual.
On June 06 2013 03:49 Stutters695 wrote:+ Show Spoiler + girlfriend was naked and rolling around on the floor.
Friend was naked because he had pissed himself on my rug while his boyfriend ran and jumped into the pond to go swimming.
Other friend shit himself and the fourth guy threw a beer into my neighbors face who laughed it off.
My trip was really uneventful by comparison, but goddamn. shrooms, not even once On topic Rayn seems like a good lynch.
Ok, maybe Stutters didn't promise activity but I hate when people sheep without providing reasoning.
JJD if you think Rayn is a mislynch, would you say there are scum on this wagon?
If so, how many and who?
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Haters.
ALLLL YOU HATERS
Yay maybe this means my meta analysis is actually getting better. Rayn doesn't sheep, this game he sheeps.
So this means mafia is pretty crippled right now, huh?
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Alright well I don't know what this means as to whether I'm a mafia target or not but fuck it I'ma post some stuff anyway.
Essentially I feel like the places to look right now are:
1) Those who attempted to derail the Rayn wagon.
2) The rest of the people on the competing wagon at the time, mine.
In that order. I'm not certain anyone else who voted me is scum tbh, it's much more likely we'd find at least one of them trying to defend him earlier in the day when they felt it could still be derailed. I won't be posting those who I feel are 'confirmed town' in my eyes either, but there are a few.
One thing I'd like to note before I back out for a little while:
On June 06 2013 01:32 prplhz wrote:
I actually like WaveofShadow's case.
On June 06 2013 07:00 prplhz wrote:
Okay guys I don't think it's fair to lynch rainpelikoneet today simply because I think that his work excuse is legit. There are a lot of votes on him because of his relative inactivity which I don't like at all. The only reason to lynch raynpelikoneet is his VayneAuthority town read. That someone is very right about you should arouse some suspicion but I remember in that game where yamato77 smurfed he was really right about me and somehow that also made me get a very strong town read on him (he was scum I was town).
I also don't think it's characteristic for scum to martyr in the way he does. There are no feelings in it, just some very collected thoughts about how "if you want to lynch me for inactivity then do it on day1 because it will not get better", that's actually very reasonable but it's not anything scum would say and I think scum would be much more emotional about martyring.
In short, I think raynpelikoneet is a bad lynch today and I really don't think we should lynch him. He's actually contributing really well considering that it appears that he really doesn't have much time for this game and the weird VayneAuthority read is not enough to make me want to lynch him.
Interesting.
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On June 06 2013 10:32 kitaman27 wrote:Hi Hi 
Oh god it's YOU.
No trying to get me lynched this time, k?
(Even inadvertently  )
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Oh something else worth noting when analyzing D1 play: knocking out arguably scum's strongest role the first day means that there may have been some hardcore bussing going on to protect it.
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On June 06 2013 11:27 kitaman27 wrote:
Generally day one scum lynches are due to weak mafia thread control, not a bus, but I haven't read anything yet.
Also, ##Vote WoS
I wasn't suggesting that the Rayn kill was a bus, I was suggesting that any defense or prevention of Rayn's lynch may have also been in the form of trying to sacrifice the less valuable scum on the team by bussing them instead.
Also Y U VOTE ME
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On June 06 2013 11:02 jaybrundage wrote:Yay someone that is active (I hope) Ok now why shouldn't we kill you :3 /sarcasmish In response to Zepp I had no idea what rayn would flip. I was leaning townie. But the main reason i stayed on fuba was because i think he was scummier :o
How was fuba scummier?
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Sorry for triplepost but I'm not sold on the scumslip.
I've made plenty of 'mistakes' like that in the past and of course there's always BH's last game.....
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I've mentioned this before but vote analysis makes it seem unlikely to me that both Sentinel and Rayn were both scum simply because they voted me one after the other. Just doesn't seem a likely scum move when they want to be careful of a green flip.
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On June 06 2013 11:33 Ace wrote:
fuba is the only person most likely confirmed town
This is wrong and you know it.
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On June 06 2013 11:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
It is that fact.
The reason why its a scumslip, is that he had no idea what Rayn would flip right?
No apparently he knew that rayn would flip scum, and his vote would therefore look bad. And a 'bus'.
SCUMSLIPS EXIST, THEY JUST ARENT THINGS YOU THINK THEY ARE.
Or he was playing badly and a towny afraid of looking guilty after a likely red flip.
I've made the mistake of doing shit like that before in my early games.
I agree the Sent's posting has been godawful but the analysis I've done outside his posting makes me feel that him flipping scum is simply unlikely. It makes more sense in my opinion to discuss opinions during the day regarding Rayn's lynch. I'm sure at least one of the defenders must be scum; like kita said, they did not want to lose their power role.
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On June 06 2013 11:37 layabout wrote:Still feel like this was a slip: Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 00:45 layabout wrote:On June 06 2013 00:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
OK first off the Vayne vote was a joke. That much should be obvious.
I was wrong about WoS being a scum given his more recent posting. He seems to be more focused on finding scum now that D1 is in full swing.
So now we have Oats who has little content and sheeps anyone who isn't Ace. And Ace doesn't even look scum.
[##Unvote]
[##Vote Oatsmaster] Did wos die and flip town then? Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 00:52 layabout wrote:On June 06 2013 00:49 Oatsmaster wrote:given his more recent posting. He seems to be more focused on finding scum now that D1 is in full swing. Um layabout? If you are town you cannot know if you are right or wrong because you do not know the other persons alignment. I am suggesting that sentinel scumslipped. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18807292http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18807319
Hmm.
Two slips makes it more likely and Oats you have a point I suppose. In any case I don't know yet who my main focus for D2 will be.
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On June 06 2013 11:38 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 11:34 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 06 2013 11:33 Ace wrote:
fuba is the only person most likely confirmed town This is wrong and you know it. He pushed his case vs rayne stronger than anyone else did and didn't have any reservations.
I'm not going to go the arrogant towny route and assume that I should be confirmed town, but come on man, I pushed plenty hard.
Hmm. I started to type up a few people who I feel are town and why but then I realized I probably shouldn't be doing that. At night. Before NKs. Interesting that you find it a relevant topic of conversation right now.
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On June 06 2013 11:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
ACE WoS.
ACE IS THE PRIME PERSON. prp too.
Alright Oats, what do you think of my last post regarding Ace, and what do you think of what I mentioned about prplhz 'liking' my case on Rayn then flipping pretty quick?
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