[M][N] Les Mafia

On May 18 2013 02:43 iamperfection wrote:

you basically said what you do doesn't matter and everyone will sheep marv. ( Which isnt true) Regardless you little woe to yourself is somewhat scummy in my view. Why would a townie come in with an attitude that what they say doesn't matter?

On May 18 2013 03:01 s0Lstice wrote:
the fact that i've only ever played town is a pretty important piece of information to share for people who don't know me/haven't played with me.

getting my share on, don't hate

On May 18 2013 03:21 s0Lstice wrote:


it's pretty simple dude....I just updated it last night so it's a brand new convenience for those who want to use it. that's all.

On May 18 2013 03:01 s0Lstice wrote:
the fact that i've only ever played town is a pretty important piece of information to share for people who don't know me/haven't played with me.

On May 18 2013 05:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I want to lynch the spicydude for his useless posts. I'm also on phone so i'm not gonna vote yet as changing page/thread is a pain in the ass. Consider my vote there atm.

yamato has to be town.

On May 18 2013 06:13 goodkarma wrote:
It's worth noting that Vayne proposed a no lynch as town in his last newbie game that just finished up. He also hesitated to give reads that game too... I don't feel he's a good lynch right now since his play (though bad) is consistent with what I've seen him do as town before.

On May 18 2013 06:19 marvellosity wrote:


Slightly sideways question - do you know anything of me? Whether the answer is yes or no, what do you make of my posting so far?

On May 18 2013 06:20 VayneAuthority wrote:


remember that I went with your read over my own and we got fucked you guys can call my playstyle shitty but I find things that others do not in the end.

On May 18 2013 08:26 iamperfection wrote:

i have given some opinions you must not have been reading that closely.

On May 18 2013 09:05 iamperfection wrote:
spicy you seem to have an interest in getting reads from me for whatever reason but you avoided the shitfest?

why?

On May 18 2013 09:55 Dandel Ion wrote:

why did you feel that?

On May 18 2013 21:17 marvellosity wrote:
I want rayn and Spicy to pipe up as well.

On May 18 2013 02:52 s0Lstice wrote:
hey hi

I recognize a lot of people in this game, but I haven't played with all of you. I just recently updated my profile with my past games so go peruse them if you want.

I've never rolled scum, and my streak continues for this game. So...sup town!

On May 18 2013 04:36 s0Lstice wrote:
/trustfall catch me WoS

soo your question was: s0l can you talk about yourself? yea I can do that.

I tend to be a fan of meta. I don't use it all the time...I use it in a manner similar to how BH was describing. I have a shitty win record, though I do get NKed early a fair amount. I have a virgin, unlynched neck. I'm usually pretty active. I like weird set-ups just as much as I like a good normal mini. I like ice cream, electric guitars, and words that sound like what they mean.

On May 18 2013 03:40 s0Lstice wrote:


Yup, both things are there. I said I'm always town because, like I said, some folks may find it helpful to know. On a personal note, I happen to think it's hilarious that I can't seem to ever draw scum.

That's related to Stutters question that I missed. If you have never played scum before, chances are your first time isn't going to be so graceful. It's just one more piece of the puzzle; it helps me weight any nervousness/silence/inconsistency that I see.

On May 19 2013 00:01 DarthPunk wrote:
And explain your town read on grush while your at it. Because, Whilst my meta on grush may not be enough to lynch him it sure as fuck isn't good enough for a town read or calling him a mislynch.

On May 19 2013 00:17 DarthPunk wrote:


Would you like to lynch him? WTF are you actually saying here?

On May 19 2013 00:24 DarthPunk wrote:


So you will vote for him even though everyone else says he is town? Have you read the posts speaking about his meta and his use of STARSENSE as a town claim that has been true for the last~15 games?

On May 19 2013 00:24 VayneAuthority wrote:
My input from what I have read



Suspicious. sums up the thread (completely useless) and then says he will just be waiting to see what happens, probably so he can drop a vote on the bandwagon late at night. A pretty mediocre read, so ill just keep an eye on him for now.

On May 19 2013 00:37 DarthPunk wrote:


OK. let me put it this way. If someone does something 100 times. And then does it a 101st time. How likely is it that the 101st time is different than the previous 100?

On May 19 2013 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay, here is the case, Goodkarma:

- Shitty case on Stutters with backpedalling without explanation.
- Contradicting himself on grush, REALLY BAD! STARSENSEESSSSSS!
- His meta comparsion on Jarjar is false.
- His meta comparsion on me is false.
- His stance on WoS is that Wos plays town "bad" and here he is bad, so he is scum. Bad =/= scum.

On May 19 2013 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GK:
- Do you know haw Jarjar plays? Did you explain why he is scum as he does what he does?
- About me. What games about me you have read?
- About grush. You say "So in other words, you will always be town when you say starsenses. And you haven't said starsenses this game. Further, you say you will try to counter you own meta from now on, meaning you weren't starting to as of this game..." Look at your argument. You are basically saying "you didn't claim STARSENSES, YOU ARE SCUM, BUT IF YOU DO, YOU ARE ALSO SCUM".

I don't need to tell you why you are wrong, you need to tell me why you are right. so quotes please. Make sure you quote me from my last (town) game where i said i'm working 12h/7d/week. And call me a lurker then.

On May 19 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:


Okay, this guy claimed scum.
##Unvote;
##Vote: iamperfection

ggyo

On May 19 2013 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
iamp, yamato, marm; i am involved, i am voting for iamp atm. he is calling one gut town and one guy null for same reasons. that is bullshit imo.

and marv. do not talk about martyring, you are the king of it. end of discussion.

On May 19 2013 10:04 DarthPunk wrote:


Who do you want to lynch. I agree with you on Rayn being shitty town. What I want to know is who is getting the noose. I suggest you take a look at sputnik for being a solid lynch for today.

On May 18 2013 04:37 WaveofShadow wrote:

VT claim too, quelle surprise.

ugh this is almost too easy, I'm feeling less good about it now. Whatever vote stays on 'till he gets back and actually contributes.

On May 19 2013 12:48 JarJarDrinks wrote:

I've said that I cant really be that active on the weekends. I don't know how that means my "posts contain a lot of excuses"

And like, you're saying that I've yet to defend myself properly. Well the only real case against me is that I've been lurking. Anything I can say to defend myself I'm sure is gonna sound like more excuses to you. Is there something specific that you or someone is accusing me of that I should post a defense for?

On May 19 2013 20:18 goodkarma wrote:
Spicydinosaur: What stands out most to me about spicy is that he has had a bit to say but he's had literally ZERO scumreads most of the game. He's pretty wishy-washy in general. One post that demonstrated this well he literally started (in discussing Solstice) by saying “I think this guy is very scummy.” And ends the post saying “I don’t think he’s scum.” Further, in his vote post he somehow manages to mix up the name of who he’s voting for. For sure this could be an honest mistake, but it definitely doesn’t demonstrate he’s very invested in the game. When you think someone’s scum, it’s generally burning in your mind as you’re writing up your post. That he could just mix things up, say “oops sorry” to the thread, and then get away with it is disturbing to me. This is the kind of guy you shouldn't let fly under the radar. In the newbie game that just finished that I observed, he had opinions on other players he thought were scummy. That just isn’t the case here. He’s like “this guy looks kinda bad,” or “this guy is a shitty townie,” but when it comes to who’s actually scum he kinda doesn’t have much to say until his botched up vote post.

On May 19 2013 11:19 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I agree that Sputnik has posted absolutely nothing but garbage but I feel he should be shot by a vig and not lynched d1. I highly doubt his play is some grand scum plan that his scum buddies are comfortable with. Everyone could get behind a sputnik lynch because he's a shitty player. So if everyone agrees to lynch sputnik, what does that get us? More likely than not he'll show up as town, but everyone will have a solid defense for voting him.

On May 19 2013 11:19 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Jarjar on the other hand has posted some content, though very little. He's been the subject of attack a number of times but he has yet defended himself properly. Whether his in-activeness is due to RL or deliberate scum, I don't like it. I get the feeling he tried coasting D1 and got caught and really doesn't know what to do. His posts contain a lot of excuses which is scummy. I'm putting my vote on him.

On May 19 2013 23:41 marvellosity wrote:
Is that a "I want to kill him today" scumread, or an "I think he's scum, but i'm not certain yet" scumread?

On May 19 2013 02:15 goodkarma wrote:
Since it looks like no one here is going to vote for Grush now that he said Starsenses several more times, I'll be changing my vote. I still feel he's scummy and would like to lynch him, but consolidation is important. Also, there's always the chance he will be vigi shot. Among scummy Grush and lurkers Sputnik and JarJar, one should likely be vigi shot.


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On May 19 2013 02:58 goodkarma wrote:
As for consolidation, yes it's a bit early. But given the last few games I've obs'ed / been in have had profound problems with this, I figured I'd rather push for it sooner than later. I feel Wave is a good lynch for today, so I have no issue switching my vote to him.

On May 19 2013 20:18 goodkarma wrote:
WaveofShadow: I feel less good about lynching him right now. Looking through his filter, I see that he has an active involvement in the game. I'm not a fan of his playstyle, and the certainty of his statements about Grush and Sputnik were definitely scummy, but the way his reads evolve and the way he seems to actually care about what's going on in the thread indicates to me he's town (slight townread).

On May 20 2013 04:24 s0Lstice wrote:
you see the issue with concluding your scum read with 'though he is most likely town' surely Spicy? If that was a scum read, why was that bit in there?

On May 20 2013 04:35 goodkarma wrote:


No. I said you had no scumreads except for your vote post. EVERYONE has to post a vote, so obviously you'll have to at some point make a single stance for a vote cycle. That you were so hesitant to make any kind of scumreads up until that point is the casepoint I made.

This is distinctly different from how you played your only other game (where you were town), which can be referenced by everyone here:

NMM XLI

In said game, you were forthcoming with getting out scumreads, and showed a more active involvement with solving the game. Here, you seem more interested in giving an opinion here or there to show activity while not really sharing any scumreads.

On May 20 2013 05:26 iamperfection wrote:

why was there a wos quote right after it was supposed to be talking about jar jar

On May 20 2013 05:32 yamato77 wrote:

No, it's also that he called a guy a scumread when in that very post, he was talking about him FLIPPING TOWN.

On May 19 2013 21:00 Dandel Ion wrote:

Becaue
1) I find him mildly amusing
2) he's hyper-lurking which should be dealt with by vigshootings/host KP

On May 20 2013 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Do you think GK is scum?

On May 19 2013 02:15 goodkarma wrote:

WaveofShadow, on the other hand, is a different matter. From what I remember of his play in The Game, he played pretty horribly. As town he was wishy washy about his stances on most players, and when he was nearly lynched the only thing that really saved him was that he blueclaimed. Here, he seems to be a lot more sure of himself in places, but in a way that doesn't really make sense to me from a town perspective. Sputnik, who basically made one scummy post and lurked, is "sure scum" to him. And Grush is "sure town" for saying starsenses. This has already been discussed, but the contrast from his townplay is what stands out to me. Further, he seems to really like asking people for scumreads. His questions don't seem to really have any purpose other than to make him look more active. Look at his filter and see how many times he asks a variation of "Who you think is scum?" It's a pretty pointless thing to ask, given everyone here is going to be giving their scumreads anyways.

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On May 19 2013 20:18 goodkarma wrote:
Spicydinosaur: What stands out most to me about spicy is that he has had a bit to say but he's had literally ZERO scumreads most of the game. He's pretty wishy-washy in general. One post that demonstrated this well he literally started (in discussing Solstice) by saying “I think this guy is very scummy.” And ends the post saying “I don’t think he’s scum.” Further, in his vote post he somehow manages to mix up the name of who he’s voting for. For sure this could be an honest mistake, but it definitely doesn’t demonstrate he’s very invested in the game. When you think someone’s scum, it’s generally burning in your mind as you’re writing up your post. That he could just mix things up, say “oops sorry” to the thread, and then get away with it is disturbing to me. This is the kind of guy you shouldn't let fly under the radar. In the newbie game that just finished that I observed, he had opinions on other players he thought were scummy. That just isn’t the case here. He’s like “this guy looks kinda bad,” or “this guy is a shitty townie,” but when it comes to who’s actually scum he kinda doesn’t have much to say until his botched up vote post.

On May 19 2013 20:38 goodkarma wrote:

As for spicy, he only discussed Solstice when you prodded him to. I disagree that he had that response worked on / mostly onhand as you seem to have speculated. I think he just made it up on the spot. And that his reponse was the wishy-washy kind you'd see from scum. I'd encourage you to look at this game, and then look at his last newbie game. He has opinions this game for sure, but his scumhunting has been pretty nonexistent. In said newbie game, he had suspects and keeped evolving opinions.

On May 20 2013 10:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh yeah didn't mention the lynch. I am a little surprised he flipped town honestly but as others have said he was going to have to die at some point. Eliminating chaff D1 isn't the worst thing to happen.

On May 20 2013 10:56 WaveofShadow wrote:

Because literally everything he did this game was scummy.

On May 20 2013 11:51 s0Lstice wrote:


This is important if you think Marv is town.

On May 21 2013 00:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
please

On May 19 2013 21:00 Dandel Ion wrote:

Becaue
1) I find him mildly amusing
2) he's hyper-lurking which should be dealt with by vigshootings/host KP

On May 21 2013 00:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
ohai guise, I back.
DP why are we lynching BH tomorrow and not Dandel?

On May 20 2013 12:34 Blazinghand wrote:
also there could be 4 scum instead of 3 scum which I guess makes more sense for a 16 player game

On May 20 2013 12:37 Blazinghand wrote:
Wow if I get lynched for that I'm never gonna live it down am I

On May 20 2013 12:36 DarthPunk wrote:

What the fuck. HOW ARE YOU SO CONFIDENT THAT THERE ARE THREE MAFIA WHEN IT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR THERE TO BE FOUR MAFIA?

On May 20 2013 12:43 DarthPunk wrote:
Except he didn't assume anything. He blatantly stated it as a fact, and then immediately went into damage mitigation when he realised how badly he fucked up.

On May 21 2013 00:52 s0Lstice wrote:
The continued absence of grush is making me think more and more that he really didn't like having starsenses dragged out of him.

So I've been through the filters multiple times, I'm left feeling like the scum are in the following group: BH, grush, dandel, jar jar, GK. BH for the slip, grush for what I just said, dandel for his continued desire to do nothing to help the town, JarJar for his suddenly appearing scumread on a pretty town DP, and GK because his meta cases have been bad to the point of being fabrications. These reasons are coupled with process of elimination via town reads.

The last two are pretty interchangeable right now...I still wanna see how JarJar and GK behave in day 2, and to be fair I had a townread on JarJar before this little exhange we just had. Now I'm not so sure.

On May 21 2013 06:44 goodkarma wrote:


When doing meta-analysis, different people behave differently. Should WoS change his playstyle one game from being wishy-washy and apologetic (as town) to being very sure of himself here, that's something that needs to be looked into. In general, when you see someone discussing having 100% certainty this guy's town and this guy's scum, it can be an indicator of privileged knowledge that only scum would be privy to. On the other hand, when you have someone like BH who's usually very assertive have little opinion on anyone, that can be a scumtell. In short, different people behave differently. I work with general scumtells for sure, but I also keep in consideration how people typically behave for both their town and scumgames.


And then you discuss how your reading on WoS evolved over time, when you really didn't discuss him at all except when mixing up his name in your vote post... I really don't know what to make of your posting to date. On the one hand, it is super-scummy. On the other, it is very hard for me to believe that a scum would be so insanely careless. But then again, we have this post from you:



So you have some awareness of how you could come off townie by looking insanely scummy (if that makes any sense...). I feel like I'm looking at your filter and I'm WIFOM-ing myself. The simplest explanation is that you're a newbie and as scum you would be less likely to have derped as hard as you have. And I'll stick with that assessment for now. I would really like to know what other scumreads you have other than myself and hopefully BH.

On May 18 2013 23:23 Spicydinosaur wrote:


s0Lstice's filter comes up very scummy for me. He started off by posting about his meta and pointing out that he was never scum.



I get them some people like to use a lot of meta to play but the fact that he has always been town is irrelevant as every new game could be the first time you get scum.

He also throws some spam in a number of his posts like this:



I've noticed that there is a lot of spam in many guy's post so this might not be such a big deal. The thing that really bugs me is this post:



He keeps pushing this reliance on meta and I find it extremely scummy. He firsts points out that he has never rolled scum, then says that if you roll scum for the first time, you are going to have a bad time. His posts can be summed up in a nice simple sentence: I have never rolled scum and if I did I would be playing so much shittier that it would be obvious.

His later posts seem to then abandon mention of meta and actually really focus on reading other players. He didn't jump on the vayne bandwagon like a lot of others did. I did like his read on goodkarma and did a good job of calling him out on his back and forth thoughts of jarjar.

As of now I'd say he's not scum. I really dislike his meta play style but his subsequent posts have gotten better.

On May 21 2013 08:34 marvellosity wrote:

I would say town vigis usually shoot on night 1s (even though they shouldn't in minis especially, they should wait). I rolled vigi 3 times, shot twice first night and once 2nd night. Then again I don't expect to live to use my shot.

On May 21 2013 00:34 Dandel Ion wrote:

you are american, how dare you say this

every vote counts for FREEDOM

On May 21 2013 16:15 yamato77 wrote:
I really don't understand the Rayn shot. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me as a scum kill. Seems more like a 3P kill, given that there were more dangerous players alive who seemed more universal as townreads. If we flip BH, it practically confirms this suspicion, and it does make BH look quite terrible if I trust my analysis.

IDK man, this game is hard. If BH flips town I'm really going to be upset.

On May 21 2013 23:22 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Sure, I think the original post w/ could be chalked up to a townie mistake. But then he makes the post where he explains how it was a CnP error which just didn't make any sense? And when I call him out on it, he completely ignores it. It's only after I repost the case like 2 days later and several other people realize how bad it is and start prodding him for an answer does he decide to respond. And here are his explainations:

I mean look @ that first post. He says he has a null read on WOS but that's where he was originally gonna put his vote? And then he says "A lot of his posts are full of self doubt and lack confidence." was supposed to refer to me. Does anyone really feel that way about my posts?

On May 18 2013 20:51 JarJarDrinks wrote:
In all the game's I've been in, I'd imagine the majority of my posts came during the week while I was @ work. Don't want to make an excuse but I'm always gonna be a little less active on the weekend. Last game I got lynched day 1 and a big part of the reasoning was because I went inactive for a portion of the day.

On May 18 2013 20:59 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Didn't mean to sound like I was complaining about it. Just wanted to point it out since the last noob game I was in had 25 pages TOTAL. It's a big change.

On May 19 2013 12:48 JarJarDrinks wrote:

I've said that I cant really be that active on the weekends. I don't know how that means my "posts contain a lot of excuses"

And like, you're saying that I've yet to defend myself properly. Well the only real case against me is that I've been lurking. Anything I can say to defend myself I'm sure is gonna sound like more excuses to you. Is there something specific that you or someone is accusing me of that I should post a defense for?

On May 21 2013 23:39 marvellosity wrote:


Mind explaining why?

On May 22 2013 01:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why does it feel like you're the only one who's ever around for me to interact with marv? DP You're welcome to comment on any of this btw.

On May 22 2013 01:19 WaveofShadow wrote:

Sorry, I figured my explanation after that post answered your question well enough. Did it?

On May 22 2013 01:37 VayneAuthority wrote:


This is exactly what I mean, I don't want to lynch BH just because a town mason flipped, he hasn't acted that scummy before this whole stalling thing. Usually when hes accused hes very quick to fight back but hes kinda laying low. Wouldnt be surprised if hes telling his mafia team what to do after he dies or something.

On May 22 2013 03:05 Blazinghand wrote:
oh, wow, looks like there's a real debate going. bleh now I gotta try to not get lynched

On May 22 2013 09:47 goodkarma wrote:

I'm in general agreement with this post, except for the 3p thing and that a scum Dandel is far more likely than a scum grush. I have my own thoughts on who might be 3p, but I'll save that for the night phase.

On May 22 2013 10:36 yamato77 wrote:

I'd like it if you could show the slightest interest in this game.

On May 22 2013 11:24 Blazinghand wrote:


Spicydino is absolutely correct. If my lynch is a sure thing, then so be it-- but let's not be silent, let's use our time. I will be a confirmed town player in like 20 hours, but that doesn't mean we can't do anything beforehand.

you seem to agree with my read on GK. what do you think of my most recent case on him?

On May 22 2013 11:39 goodkarma wrote:


Care to elaborate on said different reasons?

On May 22 2013 12:38 Stutters695 wrote:


Can you explain how the Rayne shot makes GK scummier to you? Obviously this is speculation but there were better shots for scum to take if it was a scum vig on Rayne. It's almost 100% certain scum killed iamp as they wouldn't want a confirmed town who is a strong player around another day. If he has kp that suggests a 3p read over scum.

On May 22 2013 13:03 goodkarma wrote:




Thanks for your quick response, but there really isn't much for me to address here. When you mention the role PM thing I'm assuming you're saying you think I was lying, which I've already addressed. My read on you had some very valid points. How is what I said about you garbage when you BLATANLY misrepresent your read on sputnik, and mis-speak who you're talking about on MULTIPLE occasions? At the very least, that is a CLEAR sign of a lack of investment in this game.

As for 3P stuff, BH is getting lynched today, and when I do present my case I would like to do it right. I'm not going to rush it because you're angwy. I probably should have just kept it to myself until I post it, as this kind of thing inevitably happens, but rest assured it will be out there long before it needs to be considered for next lynch.

As for this popping in and out thing, I don't respond to everything. Especially when arguements I've already replied to are similar to the ones being brought up now (such as stupid meta cases), or the answer to the questions are in my filter but people are too damned ignorant/lazy to look into it. And I may not be the most super-active guy in thread right now, but I'm comfortable with the direction of the game (outside of course this sentiment that I'm scum). Dandel and JJB should be lynched. I will be providing a bit more discussion on Dandel, but JJB has been discussed to death by both myself and others here in thread. And the 3P thing I'll get to during next night cycle.

On May 22 2013 23:17 Blazinghand wrote:
And to be real, time, effort, willingness to post are all limited resources. I'm probably one of the few people in TL Mafia who, when put into the position of being guaranteed as a mislynch, actually does work. Needless to say, today would have been a day without analysis or commentary if not for me. As far as you know, I'm scum jerking you around, but once I flip, you'll be like "he died for our sins... truly he was the best of us, and we let him down"

I'll be like the Jesus Christ of this game.

On May 22 2013 23:44 Blazinghand wrote:


The mess I started? I didn't choose to "slip", it just happened, and I did my best to explain how it isn't a slip. The fact that people decided that based on this, they should vote me, is understandable. The fact that they decided that based on this, they should vote me and stop talking, is not. I mean, I guess it's totally understandable: people are lazy and dumb and mafia are good at imitating that kind of behavior. Even though I understand it, I don't condone it. Even during my tunnellest of tunnels, I try to still talk to people about other things.

On May 22 2013 23:56 Blazinghand wrote:


Self reflective reads aren't useful for demonstrating I'm town, either. They're just there because that's what I like to post! It's always been clear ever since the "scumslip" that I was going to be lynched today. For whatever reason, the fact that I realized this immediately was scummy, but the point remains. I see no reason not to puff up my ego and fluff my feathers before I get lynched. What are you gonna do to stop me, vote me? hue

On May 23 2013 00:33 marvellosity wrote:
I'd say Spicy was antagonising BH more than the other way round :/

On May 23 2013 06:37 Stutters695 wrote:
I really didn't like it but without Marv or DP on it and the rest of the thread not giving a shit that wasn't changing. Can we expect a night post from you Marv before the flip again, 48 hours of low activity is really concerning from you.

On May 23 2013 11:19 yamato77 wrote:

Take that back about DP. I feel rather similarly to how he feels tonight. Seems townish to admit that he doubted his read.

On May 23 2013 11:34 yamato77 wrote:

I admitted I wasn't sure of the lynch the whole day. I think it was normal to feel that way. Why would DP admitting post-hoc be so weird?

On May 23 2013 21:04 marvellosity wrote:
GK actually has relevant points about Spicy, he's been niggling me for a while.

Probably everyone forgot by now but the whole "sputnik is a scumread" -> "sputnik is playing too scummily to be scum" is something pretty concerning really.

On May 22 2013 13:03 goodkarma wrote:
As for 3P stuff, BH is getting lynched today, and when I do present my case I would like to do it right. I'm not going to rush it because you're angwy. I probably should have just kept it to myself until I post it, as this kind of thing inevitably happens, but rest assured it will be out there long before it needs to be considered for next lynch.

On May 23 2013 21:26 marvellosity wrote:
The point is, if you think he'll flip town, it's not a scumread.

On May 20 2013 04:18 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Its a scum read because he's been absolutely horrible that has done nothing to help town but i felt that he would be a better vig shot thanhim lynch brcause of seeingthe votes.

On May 23 2013 21:43 marvellosity wrote:


You think a scumread will flip scum, by definition.

On May 23 2013 22:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
(If people don't want to lynch him (GK) tomorrow I would 100% lynch Dandel. Still non-stop trolling though something about the timing of his most recent troll has me a little worried.)

On May 23 2013 23:59 WaveofShadow wrote:



Why would scum ever do this? Why directly draw attention to yourself when you've basically successfully lurked through the entire game thus far? Like....his play hasn't been even remotely what could be called townplay (marv you're free to disagree) so...3P? Who was it who thought GK was 3P?
Maybe Dandel is purposefully psuedo-revealing himself because he knows he's in the shit too?

I just don't understand Dandel's play at all so this is an explanation that seems to make sense to me. Thoughts?

On May 24 2013 00:36 WaveofShadow wrote:

I was about to say something like "what analysis" but I guess he HAS been around lately. I dunno he seems just a little too lurky for my liking but I have no reason to disbelieve anything he's said. Probably town, yeah. I wouldn't place 'not joining a bandwagon' as a towntell though. For you either.