[M][N] Les Mafia - Page 97

On May 22 2013 05:29 marvellosity wrote:


Best not engage in any of the other discourse then!

On May 22 2013 05:40 marvellosity wrote:
There's been quite a lot of conversation about JJD. Missed it?

On May 22 2013 05:45 yamato77 wrote:

Am I supposed to have an opinion on him?

On May 21 2013 03:36 yamato77 wrote:
If I get shot, there are only a few things I want town to think about tomorrow.

1) Don't just auto-default to lynching BH because of the "scumslip". Whether he is actually mafia or not, this is terrible play. I'm not saying don't lynch him, just don't lynch him and do nothing else. If you do lynch him and he flips red, but not mason, immediately lynch Marv. This should go without saying.

2) Don't sleep on the "towniest" players this game. If one of Marv/DP suddenly becomes less interested in this game later on and we've mislynched consecutively, strongly reconsider your reads. They are more than capable of appearing active and pro-town as mafia. I feel its unlikely that either is mafia, but the possibility exists.

3) Pressure low-activity and low-involvement players like Dandel Ion until they contribute, or flat out lynch them. Sometimes, the best places to find mafia is among the low-hanging fruit. Don't just bandwagon on active players and cannibalize yourselves. Anyone you have a null read on, you need to be pressing for information. Try to make conclusions about their alignment.

4) Consider my reads when you're forming yours for day 2. Notably, I think that Dandel and GoodKarma are people to look at tomorrow. I've outlined Dandel already, so I'll explain my read on GK. While he explained his suspicions well, it's somewhat difficult to discern GK's true alignment. He seems to be sharply following thread sentiment. I can't reason which of his games he looks more like this game. Solstice made what I feel is a valid point in that he does seem to be continually defending his position, which is in line with my overview of his scum meta.

5) Try not to lose this game for me, please. I hate losing.

On May 22 2013 06:36 Blazinghand wrote:
Getting on to my scumreads, I'm absolutely sure at least one mafia was in thread and commenting during the last hour before night end, since they moved their shot onto iamp after he claimed. The people who posted within an hour of night end are grush, wos, stutters, marv, iamp, rayn, gk, and myself. Marv touches on that idea here (link) about an hour after the deadline. I'm gonna remove marv, myself, rayn, and iamp from the list since 2 of those are flipped townies, marv is confirmed town, and I sure aint making a case on myself.

So, I'm looking at grush, wos, sutters, and gk.

I still don't think GK is a good lynch. I've said it once and I've said it again, GK questioning the VA lynch doesn't make him scum, and although his role-pm reading shenanigans are INDEED shenanigans, the guy always has slow starts. Not a good D2 lynch.

Okay, wow actually I take it back

So, my plan was to write this meta case on how GK was actually town, right? But then I went and spent some time remembering and reading notes on how GK plays, and basically it can be summed up like this:


Now, this was a case I wrote in The Game, where, yes, I was scum, but everything written here is true. Town GK is cautious at first, gathering information and momentum, then builds a case and follows it up. Scum GK throws his vote around aggressively and doesn't have followup, going onto whatever wagon happens to become popular. I was planning to open GK's filter and show how he's town, but he is not playing to his town meta, he is playing to his scum meta. Reading GK's filter, his play this game 100% is exactly as he plays as scum. He IMMEDIATELY comes out with a vote on stutters (link), then his next post (after chiding VA) swaps to Grush (link), then after defending himself from an early case he swaps to WoS (link) and he continues the madness all throughout the rest of D1, voteswapping and trying to stay on the popular wagon.

This is literally scum GK. I'll eat my damn hat if it ain't. He's playing to his scum meta, he's also playing objectivity scummy and shitty (where's the followups to his push? what's with that list post? Why no careful analysis buildup?), and he was around when iamp claimed mason.

##vote GoodKarma

On March 17 2013 11:27 Wade Fell wrote:
DYH you say you agree that GK should probably be lynched today. Examining his play in NMMXXIV as town (link) I see a player who posts slowly and doesn't contribute much in the first half of D1, and only really starts writing cases (mostly unfocused and studded with FOSes at other players) as the game progresses. It's only in the later days that he picks up steam and starts hammering on players. In LVII as scum (link), GK comes out punching, immediately posting cases and voting/Fosing, and instead of pushing multiple reads, he changes who he focuses on as soon as his case fails to gain traction (instead of pressing on, trying to really get his target lynched). He also doesn't wait to formulate reads, he _immediately_ starts flopping mud at people.

The GK in this game is the town GK that I've coached and observed extensively. He is cautious, posts rarely, and builds up momentum to be a formidable scumhunter. This is not the kinda uncaring, willing-to-make-any--case scum GK that I've seen. He is not a good D1 lynch. He is not a good vigi shot. He is town.

On May 22 2013 06:41 Blazinghand wrote:
And, I get it, maybe you think I'm scum, but at the very least if we're dead set on lynching me today we might as well discuss the next lynch, right? Pretend I'm town and talk with me, and if I flip scum if you want you can ignore it all, but I'm going to flip town and you're going to be very glad you did talk with me.

On May 22 2013 06:35 Stutters695 wrote:


And what happened to your thoughts here now that you didn't die. You haven't really pursued lurkers or done anything since the day post. What's going on?

On May 22 2013 06:36 marvellosity wrote:
You're on your 3rd page of filter and it's only day 2. I like the new you Stutters <3