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On May 22 2013 00:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
DP mentioned this about BH; would you expect a wrongfully accused BH to rail against his 'retarded attackers' or act the way he's been acting?
Regarding your line of quotes: honestly if BH really was town it's true that the best use of his time would have been to just ignore DP for the time being, convince YOU that he was town and then the two of you together would have done a better job in preventing a supposed mislynch. I don't know what else there is to say about all this. The evidence is overwhelming and damning. My gut feelings aside that there's something 'up,' I don't really see what else I can dispute. If people like JJD (that aren't likely scum) think that I'm not committed to a BH lynch because my vote isn't on him atm I can change it, but I'd still like to find out who the rest of the scumteam are and there's over 24h to go, so I don't see why that matters.
I'd perfectly expect BH to rail against his attackers as either alignment. The fact is on Sunday evening he promised to filter dive and hunt mafia; he didn't. He fought DP. Fair enough!
Then on Monday he came back, and he didn't hunt mafia either. He's gone to bed twice (!) since he promised he would be hunting mafia. Also see my earlier post about how I think BH would generally behave in such situations:
On May 21 2013 17:46 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 17:08 Blazinghand wrote:
You don't really think I'm scum, though, and you don't want to say it-- you can't. That's okay, though. I'll see if I can't do something to make your belief justified. You'd have done something by now, that's the point. You promised awesomeness 24 hours ago! That's a long delay. You've whined about why couldn't there be 2 town masons (there could! but it's irrelevant) and generally not done what I'd expect a town BH to do in this respect, which is to be the towniest town of townington. Your play has tonnes of similarities to mine, BH, and if I'd made a slip that wasn't a slip as town, I'd be shitting fucking townie rainbows in the thread because GODDAMNIT motherfucking marvellosity (insert BH as appropriate) is not getting lynched for something so fucking stupid, and motherfucking marvellosity is gonna catch the god-damn mafia and you'll all bloody see how townie I am. Instead all we see is this apathetic whining and resignation to die with a "last will". Yuk.
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Why does it feel like you're the only one who's ever around for me to interact with marv? DP You're welcome to comment on any of this btw.
On May 21 2013 23:53 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 23:49 Spicydinosaur wrote:On May 21 2013 23:39 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2013 23:38 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I should add that I think jarjar is a lot lower on my scum list now since I voted for him. Mind explaining why? One of my biggest problems with him was his lack of post/excuse for postings which he has improved on. I thought his asking for town credit didn't feel scummy. He was taking a lot of heat D1 and when the BH slip happened, his response felt like a "i told you so!" Just felt like a new player reaction more than a scum. I also found it extremely unlikely that jarjar was bussing BH from the beginning, so if BH flips scum, I'd doubt that jarjar would also. The other reason is that others have jumped out more. BH with the slip, dandel not giving a fuck and the last second vote still annoys me, and then GK for his no reading role pm, his flimsy arguments and for possibly being the 3P killer. I thought the same yesterday about the BH thing, today I'm not so convinced on it. I also checked out JarJar's newbie games; in 2 he didn't make any activity excuses at all, in 1 he made several. Guess the alignments? His general tone is bugging me too, but I don't know how to explain that one very well.
JJD has been on my scumdar for days. What about his tone is bothering you? (I'm basing my read of him on this game because my meta reads aren't great overall.)
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Because I'm omnipresent and I have lovely abs.
Thank you for asking me to explain something I said I couldn't explain very well. He's coming across as overly aggressive, it feels like he's working against town rather than with town. Do you understand what I mean by that?
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On May 22 2013 01:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why does it feel like you're the only one who's ever around for me to interact with marv? DP You're welcome to comment on any of this btw.
Maybe because I can't have a conversation with someone who doesn't respond to my post asking you a question.
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On May 22 2013 01:15 marvellosity wrote:
Because I'm omnipresent and I have lovely abs.
Thank you for asking me to explain something I said I couldn't explain very well. He's coming across as overly aggressive, it feels like he's working against town rather than with town. Do you understand what I mean by that?
Haha I meant to say something like "explain to the best of your ability" but I guess I forgot that part.
Honestly, no I'm not sure I do understand. I'll go have a look at him in the next little while though with that in mind.
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I'm awake, catching up on last night.
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On May 22 2013 01:17 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 01:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why does it feel like you're the only one who's ever around for me to interact with marv? DP You're welcome to comment on any of this btw.
Maybe because I can't have a conversation with someone who doesn't respond to my post asking you a question.
Sorry, I figured my explanation after that post answered your question well enough. Did it?
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On May 22 2013 01:19 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 01:17 Spicydinosaur wrote:On May 22 2013 01:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why does it feel like you're the only one who's ever around for me to interact with marv? DP You're welcome to comment on any of this btw.
Maybe because I can't have a conversation with someone who doesn't respond to my post asking you a question. Sorry, I figured my explanation after that post answered your question well enough. Did it?
Eh sorta, I was just making sure the "frame" wasn't including the slip.
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On May 22 2013 01:18 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 01:15 marvellosity wrote:
Because I'm omnipresent and I have lovely abs.
Thank you for asking me to explain something I said I couldn't explain very well. He's coming across as overly aggressive, it feels like he's working against town rather than with town. Do you understand what I mean by that? Haha I meant to say something like "explain to the best of your ability" but I guess I forgot that part. Honestly, no I'm not sure I do understand. I'll go have a look at him in the next little while though with that in mind.
Like... he starts off with a bunch of activity shit, and since then on several occasions he's seemed angry/aggressive without anything in particular to warrant it.
I really would encourage you to skim his filter in XXXIX just for 'feels'.
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On May 18 2013 22:21 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 22:11 marvellosity wrote:On May 18 2013 22:03 iamperfection wrote:
marv do you think jarjar would try to throw dirt on bh if bh is town and jarjar were scum? Maybe? I understand what you're getting at, but I'm ambivalent about it. Is he trying to imply that BH and I are scumbuddies? Is that so when BH flips red I don't look quite as good? If you think me and BH are both scum then help me bus him. ##vote: blazinghand(Sorry if I'm interpretting your post wrong iamp. But that's what I felt like u were saying)
This post by JarJar is just so ballsy and fearless. I can't help but assign JJ mad townie points every time I read it. Definitely muddies the waters for me.
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On May 22 2013 01:24 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 22:21 JarJarDrinks wrote:On May 18 2013 22:11 marvellosity wrote:On May 18 2013 22:03 iamperfection wrote:
marv do you think jarjar would try to throw dirt on bh if bh is town and jarjar were scum? Maybe? I understand what you're getting at, but I'm ambivalent about it. Is he trying to imply that BH and I are scumbuddies? Is that so when BH flips red I don't look quite as good? If you think me and BH are both scum then help me bus him. ##vote: blazinghand(Sorry if I'm interpretting your post wrong iamp. But that's what I felt like u were saying) This post by JarJar is just so ballsy and fearless. I can't help but assign JJ mad townie points every time I read it. Definitely muddies the waters for me.
Either that or it's hilariously honest. lol.
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Marv or anyone, has there ever been a game with 2 town night masons as BH would like to believe? I ask because my issue with BH is turning less about the 'slip' and more about the setup and his defense.
With Iamp flipping mason it would seem weird for a setup to have 2 town night masons. Just doesn't feel right. Also as Marv pointed out, BH's delayed postings are troubling and definitely scum indicative.
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On May 22 2013 01:26 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 01:24 s0Lstice wrote:On May 18 2013 22:21 JarJarDrinks wrote:On May 18 2013 22:11 marvellosity wrote:On May 18 2013 22:03 iamperfection wrote:
marv do you think jarjar would try to throw dirt on bh if bh is town and jarjar were scum? Maybe? I understand what you're getting at, but I'm ambivalent about it. Is he trying to imply that BH and I are scumbuddies? Is that so when BH flips red I don't look quite as good? If you think me and BH are both scum then help me bus him. ##vote: blazinghand(Sorry if I'm interpretting your post wrong iamp. But that's what I felt like u were saying) This post by JarJar is just so ballsy and fearless. I can't help but assign JJ mad townie points every time I read it. Definitely muddies the waters for me. Either that or it's hilariously honest. lol.
That could explain the aggressiveness and anger. Hes spent the whole game building credit for the bus, but no credit is being assigned to him.
Associations before the flip ftw
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hey I have been having issues with the teamliquid site, it has been freezing up for me again but I was finally able to get a post in. BH was honestly not on my scum radar at all and I never like to really metagame, but his stalling is troubling. Going to give him a little more time before I officially vote for him. Also that JJD/BH quote is hilarious lol. Wouldn't be surprised if it was true since BH was not anywhere near the chopping block back then. If we have a detective I don't think JJD is the worst inspection ever.
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On May 22 2013 01:29 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Marv or anyone, has there ever been a game with 2 town night masons as BH would like to believe? I ask because my issue with BH is turning less about the 'slip' and more about the setup and his defense.
With Iamp flipping mason it would seem weird for a setup to have 2 town night masons. Just doesn't feel right. Also as Marv pointed out, BH's delayed postings are troubling and definitely scum indicative.
I'd say a 1-1 split was perhaps more likely, but a 2-0 split is certainly pretty possible.
If anyone's lynching BH because we've had a town mason flip they're doing it wrong, it's circumstancial evidence at best.
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On May 22 2013 01:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 01:29 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Marv or anyone, has there ever been a game with 2 town night masons as BH would like to believe? I ask because my issue with BH is turning less about the 'slip' and more about the setup and his defense.
With Iamp flipping mason it would seem weird for a setup to have 2 town night masons. Just doesn't feel right. Also as Marv pointed out, BH's delayed postings are troubling and definitely scum indicative. I'd say a 1-1 split was perhaps more likely, but a 2-0 split is certainly pretty possible. If anyone's lynching BH because we've had a town mason flip they're doing it wrong, it's circumstancial evidence at best.
This is exactly what I mean, I don't want to lynch BH just because a town mason flipped, he hasn't acted that scummy before this whole stalling thing. Usually when hes accused hes very quick to fight back but hes kinda laying low. Wouldnt be surprised if hes telling his mafia team what to do after he dies or something.
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On May 22 2013 01:37 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 01:35 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2013 01:29 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Marv or anyone, has there ever been a game with 2 town night masons as BH would like to believe? I ask because my issue with BH is turning less about the 'slip' and more about the setup and his defense.
With Iamp flipping mason it would seem weird for a setup to have 2 town night masons. Just doesn't feel right. Also as Marv pointed out, BH's delayed postings are troubling and definitely scum indicative. I'd say a 1-1 split was perhaps more likely, but a 2-0 split is certainly pretty possible. If anyone's lynching BH because we've had a town mason flip they're doing it wrong, it's circumstancial evidence at best. This is exactly what I mean, I don't want to lynch BH just because a town mason flipped, he hasn't acted that scummy before this whole stalling thing. Usually when hes accused hes very quick to fight back but hes kinda laying low. Wouldnt be surprised if hes telling his mafia team what to do after he dies or something.
He hasn't?
Did you read his drunkposting fiasco?
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@ WoS listen to marv. He is right. Blazinghand was scum to me because I was around in the moment and his reactions revealed a scum mindset tellingly, but I can understand at that point if others didn't agree. But the way he has constantly talked about scum hunting or being productive in the Mason QT but has not actually produced anything is the most telling. This guy can't scumhunt cause he doesn't want to give any info so he is sitting tight, making all the promises in the world like some guy trying to lose his virginity.
About goodkarma. I was going to say once again that I would rather wait and see before I pass judgement on Him. But then I realised that I have been saying that all along with no payoff from GK. and the reason for that is that I am fond of Goodkarma because we grew up together.
There IS something off about goodkarma, marv's points are good and the fundamental problem I am having is all the Excuses.
Such as
But I am always scummy day one
This always happens to me
I didn't even read my role PM but now I did and I am town even though if I was scum I would also say I was town.
Now it is day two and goodkarma still is not looking very good.
The thing is though. Town goodkarma is fucking townie townie rainbows. So this isn't very hard.
Goodkarma either becomes townie townie rainbows and takes fucking charge of the scm hunt like I know he is capable of. (best town newbie performance 2012)
or we lynch the shit out of him next. and Dandel.
in fact. I am calling a scum team rite nao.
BH, Dandel, Goodkarma and JJD if one of those isn't scum
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On May 22 2013 01:37 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 01:35 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2013 01:29 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Marv or anyone, has there ever been a game with 2 town night masons as BH would like to believe? I ask because my issue with BH is turning less about the 'slip' and more about the setup and his defense.
With Iamp flipping mason it would seem weird for a setup to have 2 town night masons. Just doesn't feel right. Also as Marv pointed out, BH's delayed postings are troubling and definitely scum indicative. I'd say a 1-1 split was perhaps more likely, but a 2-0 split is certainly pretty possible. If anyone's lynching BH because we've had a town mason flip they're doing it wrong, it's circumstancial evidence at best. This is exactly what I mean, I don't want to lynch BH just because a town mason flipped, he hasn't acted that scummy before this whole stalling thing. Usually when hes accused hes very quick to fight back but hes kinda laying low. Wouldnt be surprised if hes telling his mafia team what to do after he dies or something.
He fought back immediately after the slip and stayed up pretty late arguing with DP about it. The follow up is a complete void.
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