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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 21 2013 11:38 GMT
#1841
Hey DP, some input on this GK stuff? Talk to me, I'm bored.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 21 2013 11:38 GMT
#1842
I'm not fine with the inactivity. Where the fuck is JJD and Grush and Dandel and WoS (WoS might be asleep again)
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Spicydinosaur
Profile Joined April 2013
United States382 Posts
May 21 2013 11:47 GMT
#1843
On May 21 2013 16:15 yamato77 wrote:
I really don't understand the Rayn shot. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me as a scum kill. Seems more like a 3P kill, given that there were more dangerous players alive who seemed more universal as townreads. If we flip BH, it practically confirms this suspicion, and it does make BH look quite terrible if I trust my analysis.

IDK man, this game is hard. If BH flips town I'm really going to be upset.


My feeling on the rayn kill is that it if it was a 3P kill, then GK is a highly likely to be the 3P killer. Rayne's posts D1 moved around a bit but a large portion was written dealing with GK. It's the only thing that could possibly justify the kill aside from the vig shots. The other possible interpretation I was thinking was that it was a mafia vig shot and they shot rayne because they thought the better targets had docs on them that night.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 21 2013 11:54 GMT
#1844
On May 21 2013 20:47 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 16:15 yamato77 wrote:
I really don't understand the Rayn shot. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me as a scum kill. Seems more like a 3P kill, given that there were more dangerous players alive who seemed more universal as townreads. If we flip BH, it practically confirms this suspicion, and it does make BH look quite terrible if I trust my analysis.

IDK man, this game is hard. If BH flips town I'm really going to be upset.


My feeling on the rayn kill is that it if it was a 3P kill, then GK is a highly likely to be the 3P killer. Rayne's posts D1 moved around a bit but a large portion was written dealing with GK. It's the only thing that could possibly justify the kill aside from the vig shots. The other possible interpretation I was thinking was that it was a mafia vig shot and they shot rayne because they thought the better targets had docs on them that night.


From the knowledge I have of a couple of serial killers, there's not necessarily a massive amount of thought that goes into a specific kill, especially night 1. But you might be right.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
May 21 2013 12:24 GMT
#1845
Vote: Blazinghand

I think iamps claim and the 2 deaths pretty much seal it. The fact that he hasn't bothered trying to make any sort of a defense doesn't help either.

I'd be interested in hearing how anyone could justify putting a vote anywhere else.
Spicydinosaur
Profile Joined April 2013
United States382 Posts
May 21 2013 12:36 GMT
#1846
jarjar, who are your other scum reads?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
May 21 2013 12:40 GMT
#1847
On May 21 2013 09:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 09:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On May 21 2013 09:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 21 2013 09:07 s0Lstice wrote:
also, Marv

I'd like to hear about this some more:

It's players like s0lstice we need to keep our eyes on.

from the QT with iamp. What exactly is your read on me?

I'd be interested to hear this too. And actually solstice your other post reminds me, where the FUCK is Dandel?
##Vote: Dandel Ion

I am aware I have other scumreads to push today but Dandel seems a good one as any to begin with; I can't simply go on marv's read of him alone. Dandel if you want to live through the day, fucking talk to me.

So what makes you vote DI over BH. Do you not feel BH is nearly confirmed scum after finding out iamp is a mason?

I can't honestly say how I feel about it. I have experienced scum BH before and as I've mentioned before some of it feels like it fits but not exactly. This could also very well be an easy frame attempt from mafia, or it could be exactly what it looks like and BH is scum.

I am more than happy to consolidate on a BH lynch later on but considering the entire town is already down his throat, one extra person pushing him is one more person not trying to find other scum.

am I the only one that reads this as "I'll vote for BH if he's already dead but if there's a chance I can get someone else lynched I will"?

And what do you mean by "an easy frame attempt from mafia"? Doesn't frame imply that mafia did something to put suspicion on him? Where's the frame?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 21 2013 12:48 GMT
#1848
On May 21 2013 21:40 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 09:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 21 2013 09:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On May 21 2013 09:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 21 2013 09:07 s0Lstice wrote:
also, Marv

I'd like to hear about this some more:

It's players like s0lstice we need to keep our eyes on.

from the QT with iamp. What exactly is your read on me?

I'd be interested to hear this too. And actually solstice your other post reminds me, where the FUCK is Dandel?
##Vote: Dandel Ion

I am aware I have other scumreads to push today but Dandel seems a good one as any to begin with; I can't simply go on marv's read of him alone. Dandel if you want to live through the day, fucking talk to me.

So what makes you vote DI over BH. Do you not feel BH is nearly confirmed scum after finding out iamp is a mason?

I can't honestly say how I feel about it. I have experienced scum BH before and as I've mentioned before some of it feels like it fits but not exactly. This could also very well be an easy frame attempt from mafia, or it could be exactly what it looks like and BH is scum.

I am more than happy to consolidate on a BH lynch later on but considering the entire town is already down his throat, one extra person pushing him is one more person not trying to find other scum.

am I the only one that reads this as "I'll vote for BH if he's already dead but if there's a chance I can get someone else lynched I will"?

And what do you mean by "an easy frame attempt from mafia"? Doesn't frame imply that mafia did something to put suspicion on him? Where's the frame?


Remind me to talk about this in 24 hours or so.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
May 21 2013 13:13 GMT
#1849
Marv- we were at the same endpoint. I was just trying to put the cart before the horse, and erroneously expecting you to do the same.

JarJar, we are well into the week now. After BH, are you still maintaining that DP is scum?
ATOBTTR
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
May 21 2013 13:15 GMT
#1850
On May 21 2013 21:36 Spicydinosaur wrote:
jarjar, who are your other scum reads?
YOU, Darthpunk and probably Grush


You - based on the CnP fail as well as just being inconsistant in your explaination for it.

DP - reasons already stated.

Grush - for not posting any real opinion yet this game.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 21 2013 13:17 GMT
#1851
On May 21 2013 22:13 s0Lstice wrote:
Marv- we were at the same endpoint. I was just trying to put the cart before the horse, and erroneously expecting you to do the same.

JarJar, we are well into the week now. After BH, are you still maintaining that DP is scum?


Splendid. So now we're heading due forwards, what do you think of the merit of the original argument I was making before we got distracted?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 21 2013 13:24 GMT
#1852
On May 21 2013 22:15 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 21:36 Spicydinosaur wrote:
jarjar, who are your other scum reads?
YOU, Darthpunk and probably Grush


You - based on the CnP fail as well as just being inconsistant in your explaination for it.

DP - reasons already stated.

Grush - for not posting any real opinion yet this game.


What else do you find suspicious about Spicy? Various players in this game are of the opinion that a mistake like that is more likely to come from a townie, why in particular do you disagree?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
May 21 2013 13:35 GMT
#1853
On May 21 2013 22:17 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 22:13 s0Lstice wrote:
Marv- we were at the same endpoint. I was just trying to put the cart before the horse, and erroneously expecting you to do the same.

JarJar, we are well into the week now. After BH, are you still maintaining that DP is scum?


Splendid. So now we're heading due forwards, what do you think of the merit of the original argument I was making before we got distracted?


I think it's a good argument. I've written some stuff about GK awhile back myself. He is not approaching the game as his townie self should, as you've shown, and his cases have been overreaching to the point of being malicious.

His PM claim threw me for a loop, nothing I can do about that now, but the evidence is saying to me that he is scum.
ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
May 21 2013 13:37 GMT
#1854
oh this too

##vote blazinghand
ATOBTTR
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
May 21 2013 14:22 GMT
#1855
On May 21 2013 22:24 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 22:15 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On May 21 2013 21:36 Spicydinosaur wrote:
jarjar, who are your other scum reads?
YOU, Darthpunk and probably Grush


You - based on the CnP fail as well as just being inconsistant in your explaination for it.

DP - reasons already stated.

Grush - for not posting any real opinion yet this game.


What else do you find suspicious about Spicy? Various players in this game are of the opinion that a mistake like that is more likely to come from a townie, why in particular do you disagree?
Sure, I think the original post w/ could be chalked up to a townie mistake. But then he makes the post where he explains how it was a CnP error which just didn't make any sense? And when I call him out on it, he completely ignores it. It's only after I repost the case like 2 days later and several other people realize how bad it is and start prodding him for an answer does he decide to respond. And here are his explainations:
On May 20 2013 05:25 Spicydinosaur wrote:
WoS i have a null read on. In my post where i voted jarjar and had to part of WoS in it, I was originally going to be putting my vote on WoS. I wasn't a fan of his earlier posts but the last parts sounded more towny so I decided to switch it someone else, jarjar. Didn't check my post before i published it so that was a fuck up on my part. "A lot of his posts are full of self doubt and lack confidence." that was supposed to be the start of jarjar's look and the stuff before should have been deleted.

My vote there was always on jarjar. look at the time of my post and the time i posted in the vote thread. should be pretty close.
On May 20 2013 05:30 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2013 05:26 iamperfection wrote:
On May 20 2013 05:25 Spicydinosaur wrote:
WoS i have a null read on. In my post where i voted jarjar and had to part of WoS in it, I was originally going to be putting my vote on WoS. I wasn't a fan of his earlier posts but the last parts sounded more towny so I decided to switch it someone else, jarjar. Didn't check my post before i published it so that was a fuck up on my part. "A lot of his posts are full of self doubt and lack confidence." that was supposed to be the start of jarjar's look and the stuff before should have been deleted.

My vote there was always on jarjar. look at the time of my post and the time i posted in the vote thread. should be pretty close.

why was there a wos quote right after it was supposed to be talking about jar jar


It was a colossal fuck up in my post. didn't check it as i meant to delete everything about WOS. I can only guess that i saw the text above as stating the unsure statement and i didnt check below it.

I mean look @ that first post. He says he has a null read on WOS but that's where he was originally gonna put his vote? And then he says "A lot of his posts are full of self doubt and lack confidence." was supposed to refer to me. Does anyone really feel that way about my posts?
Spicydinosaur
Profile Joined April 2013
United States382 Posts
May 21 2013 14:32 GMT
#1856
On May 21 2013 23:22 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 22:24 marvellosity wrote:
On May 21 2013 22:15 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On May 21 2013 21:36 Spicydinosaur wrote:
jarjar, who are your other scum reads?
YOU, Darthpunk and probably Grush


You - based on the CnP fail as well as just being inconsistant in your explaination for it.

DP - reasons already stated.

Grush - for not posting any real opinion yet this game.


What else do you find suspicious about Spicy? Various players in this game are of the opinion that a mistake like that is more likely to come from a townie, why in particular do you disagree?
Sure, I think the original post w/ could be chalked up to a townie mistake. But then he makes the post where he explains how it was a CnP error which just didn't make any sense? And when I call him out on it, he completely ignores it. It's only after I repost the case like 2 days later and several other people realize how bad it is and start prodding him for an answer does he decide to respond. And here are his explainations:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2013 05:25 Spicydinosaur wrote:
WoS i have a null read on. In my post where i voted jarjar and had to part of WoS in it, I was originally going to be putting my vote on WoS. I wasn't a fan of his earlier posts but the last parts sounded more towny so I decided to switch it someone else, jarjar. Didn't check my post before i published it so that was a fuck up on my part. "A lot of his posts are full of self doubt and lack confidence." that was supposed to be the start of jarjar's look and the stuff before should have been deleted.

My vote there was always on jarjar. look at the time of my post and the time i posted in the vote thread. should be pretty close.
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2013 05:30 Spicydinosaur wrote:
On May 20 2013 05:26 iamperfection wrote:
On May 20 2013 05:25 Spicydinosaur wrote:
WoS i have a null read on. In my post where i voted jarjar and had to part of WoS in it, I was originally going to be putting my vote on WoS. I wasn't a fan of his earlier posts but the last parts sounded more towny so I decided to switch it someone else, jarjar. Didn't check my post before i published it so that was a fuck up on my part. "A lot of his posts are full of self doubt and lack confidence." that was supposed to be the start of jarjar's look and the stuff before should have been deleted.

My vote there was always on jarjar. look at the time of my post and the time i posted in the vote thread. should be pretty close.

why was there a wos quote right after it was supposed to be talking about jar jar


It was a colossal fuck up in my post. didn't check it as i meant to delete everything about WOS. I can only guess that i saw the text above as stating the unsure statement and i didnt check below it.

I mean look @ that first post. He says he has a null read on WOS but that's where he was originally gonna put his vote? And then he says "A lot of his posts are full of self doubt and lack confidence." was supposed to refer to me. Does anyone really feel that way about my posts?


The null read on WOS was my concluding thought when the post was published. When i began writing it I was going to vote WOS and was writing as such, but as I was filtering and building the case, I realized he was acting townie, hence the switch to a null read.

As for your excuses/lack of confidence, here are the posts I was referring too:

On May 18 2013 20:51 JarJarDrinks wrote:
In all the game's I've been in, I'd imagine the majority of my posts came during the week while I was @ work. Don't want to make an excuse but I'm always gonna be a little less active on the weekend. Last game I got lynched day 1 and a big part of the reasoning was because I went inactive for a portion of the day.


On May 18 2013 20:59 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Didn't mean to sound like I was complaining about it. Just wanted to point it out since the last noob game I was in had 25 pages TOTAL. It's a big change.


On May 19 2013 12:48 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 11:19 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Jarjar on the other hand has posted some content, though very little. He's been the subject of attack a number of times but he has yet defended himself properly. Whether his in-activeness is due to RL or deliberate scum, I don't like it. I get the feeling he tried coasting D1 and got caught and really doesn't know what to do. His posts contain a lot of excuses which is scummy. I'm putting my vote on him.

##vote jarjardrinks

I've said that I cant really be that active on the weekends. I don't know how that means my "posts contain a lot of excuses"

And like, you're saying that I've yet to defend myself properly. Well the only real case against me is that I've been lurking. Anything I can say to defend myself I'm sure is gonna sound like more excuses to you. Is there something specific that you or someone is accusing me of that I should post a defense for?


Spicydinosaur
Profile Joined April 2013
United States382 Posts
May 21 2013 14:38 GMT
#1857
I should add that I think jarjar is a lot lower on my scum list now since I voted for him.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 21 2013 14:39 GMT
#1858
On May 21 2013 23:38 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I should add that I think jarjar is a lot lower on my scum list now since I voted for him.


Mind explaining why?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
May 21 2013 14:41 GMT
#1859
JarJar

I'm going through your filter right now, and unless I somehow missed it, I don't see a single reference to GK.

What's your read and why?
ATOBTTR
Spicydinosaur
Profile Joined April 2013
United States382 Posts
May 21 2013 14:49 GMT
#1860
On May 21 2013 23:39 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 23:38 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I should add that I think jarjar is a lot lower on my scum list now since I voted for him.


Mind explaining why?


One of my biggest problems with him was his lack of post/excuse for postings which he has improved on. I thought his asking for town credit didn't feel scummy. He was taking a lot of heat D1 and when the BH slip happened, his response felt like a "i told you so!" Just felt like a new player reaction more than a scum. I also found it extremely unlikely that jarjar was bussing BH from the beginning, so if BH flips scum, I'd doubt that jarjar would also.

The other reason is that others have jumped out more.
BH with the slip, dandel not giving a fuck and the last second vote still annoys me, and then GK for his no reading role pm, his flimsy arguments and for possibly being the 3P killer.
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