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Blazinghand
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On June 04 2013 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 13:07 Blazinghand wrote:
I did eventually try to tunnel GK a bit. Not that getting him mislynched before me would have helped much, but I did try. Part of the problem I think is I wanted to get a tunnel started on GK but I was having trouble getting people to engage with me on him. I had to call out people by name, and often more than once, to get them to respond to the case. Your GK push wasn't convincing enough. If your case had blown away the town and you spammed up the thread calling for a lynch you would have lived. Town won't switch off you if they have to think too hard. you need to make it really really easy for everyone to switch wagons.
I suspect part of that had to do with the fact that he was town. If he was scum I'd be able to find more info on him.
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On June 04 2013 13:22 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:On June 04 2013 13:07 Blazinghand wrote:
I did eventually try to tunnel GK a bit. Not that getting him mislynched before me would have helped much, but I did try. Part of the problem I think is I wanted to get a tunnel started on GK but I was having trouble getting people to engage with me on him. I had to call out people by name, and often more than once, to get them to respond to the case. Your GK push wasn't convincing enough. If your case had blown away the town and you spammed up the thread calling for a lynch you would have lived. Town won't switch off you if they have to think too hard. you need to make it really really easy for everyone to switch wagons. I suspect part of that had to do with the fact that he was town. If he was scum I'd be able to find more info on him.
This is what the whole game boiled down to actually.
The misread on you wasn't actually disastrous, but the whole GK issue made your push less convincing, and led me to not being sure enough to push JJD on the next day.
This whole game was actually the "GK issue".
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On June 04 2013 18:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 13:22 Blazinghand wrote:On June 04 2013 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:On June 04 2013 13:07 Blazinghand wrote:
I did eventually try to tunnel GK a bit. Not that getting him mislynched before me would have helped much, but I did try. Part of the problem I think is I wanted to get a tunnel started on GK but I was having trouble getting people to engage with me on him. I had to call out people by name, and often more than once, to get them to respond to the case. Your GK push wasn't convincing enough. If your case had blown away the town and you spammed up the thread calling for a lynch you would have lived. Town won't switch off you if they have to think too hard. you need to make it really really easy for everyone to switch wagons. I suspect part of that had to do with the fact that he was town. If he was scum I'd be able to find more info on him. This is what the whole game boiled down to actually. The misread on you wasn't actually disastrous, but the whole GK issue made your push less convincing, and led me to not being sure enough to push JJD on the next day. This whole game was actually the "GK issue".
No. The whole game was multiple issues.:
1) Sputnik mislynch was pretty terrible. It was pretty much a random lynch. Honestly, the only random lynch you could make. At least everyone else contributed somewhat... The guy had a good chance of getting vigi'ed, and if not vigi'ed, then modkilled in a later day. He was pretty much a truly random lynch, as he was going to play pretty much not at all regardless of alignment. His lynch yielded pretty much no information to go off of in future days, meaning that it was a completely useless thing to do... Mislynching me would have been better, since at least then there would have been oodles of information for you to dig through after the flip. And sure, maybe you'd have to deal with him in later days and that would cost you the game, but doesn't lynching him early do that to an even worse degree? I mean you still are down one mislynch of the two allowed regardless of when you mislynch him, except you can use process of elimination to determine whether he's scum if he's still around later on. Wheras on day one there's so much uncertaintly still that you'd best be going with your strongest read, as you doubtless won't be
2) BH mislynch at least from my perspective wasn't terrible. This was a guy who came back last minute to spout out how I (as town) should really get lynched. I mean I know I'm town, so that didn't sit very well with me, since I thought he was just trying to buy himself one more day. Maybe it sat better with others. But I mislynched BH, and very well might do it again if he plays like he did this game. What also got me was this contentment with pushing my lynch while not pressuring me at all... Very un-BH like. Didn't make any sense to me... I pegged him as scum. Honestly, no matter what he says, his play was objectively scummy this game. Had he jumped off of this whole knowledge of the setup thing earlier, and tunneled people in a productive townie BH way he could easily have staved off his mislynch.
3) Iamp role-claim bad.
4) Lol that last day consolidation was OP. I absolutely loved how Marv, who most people thought was town, would say let's lynch this guy, and then most of town did the exact opposite thing. In a setup where you had to get everything right if you mislynched the first two days, JD certainly had to get removed at some point. I suppose some of you could argue the same thing about me. But I still feel my defense was pretty solid. But you guys were so biased at that point it really wouldn't have mattered what I said to you outside of maybe a blue-claim. Sure, I could have played a bit better, but the blame for my mislynch also fell squarely on town. If you can't consolidate in MYLO, you lose regardless. That's like town 101... This is all moot though, as LYLO was really day 2, since DP had the swing vote day 3 and he'd resolved to side with scum, making him effectively fifth scum so that even if town consolidated better scum could get their mislynch through anyway...
5) Along those lines, setup was definitely scum favored. You have two half masons who lack the normal benefit of knowing at least one confirmed town... and a half cop... Only real decent role town had was JK, who is kinda a half medic, since you're often RB'ing a guy you think is town... Then you give a four-man scumteam not one but two vigi shots, while giving town zero... And top it off with a survivor, which can effectively turn into a fifth scumteam member, and you're kinda left with a pretty scum-favored game. Two mislynches for the entire game is pretty harsh without giving town a better assortment of power roles to work with. Like at least give us a full cop, or a full mason, or something... T_T
I could expand on the multiple ways the scumreads on me were bad, but that wasn't what this game revolved around really... Game was kinda over after BH got mislynched. Which isn't the best game-balance wise imho. I mean maybe town didn't deserve to win, but really with the way things were set up it didn't feel like they had a good chance to win from the very start... In some ways, I would consider myself town MVP for at least recognizing the day one mislynch to be terrible, and for getting pretty close to nailing down the whole scumteam by the end of the game. My defense was pretty solid too, if anyone were to have actually stepped back and looked at it. And by anyone, I mean Marv...
Props to Wave for an amazing scumgame. You had me fooled. You've forced me to upgrade to GK 2.0  .
And thanks to the hosts for putting in the time to make this game possible. I may be a bit bitter about the setup, but it was still a pleasure to play, so thank you.
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<3 GK
Maybe one of these days you won't be lynchbait in a game we play together. 
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Blazinghand
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I second GK for town MVP
we were lost at sea but for his wisdom
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On June 08 2013 06:49 Blazinghand wrote:
I second GK for town MVP
we were lost at sea but for his wisdom
Well if not GK who could it be?
Its not like anyone else clamoured for it or played well enough to deserve it.
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Blazinghand
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I think we all know who the true town MVP is here
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sputniktheory town mvp imo
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Clearly it's me. I kick ass. :p
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On June 08 2013 06:33 goodkarma wrote:
4) Lol that last day consolidation was OP. I absolutely loved how Marv, who most people thought was town, would say let's lynch this guy, and then most of town did the exact opposite thing.
This was unfortunate. "let's kill JJD after all" --> 2 other townies come in and vote GK. D'oh!
GK, you need to not do the whole role PM thing. I'm never really going to defend someone who doesn't read their role PM and then uses it as part of their defence.
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