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On May 21 2013 23:49 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 23:39 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2013 23:38 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I should add that I think jarjar is a lot lower on my scum list now since I voted for him. Mind explaining why? One of my biggest problems with him was his lack of post/excuse for postings which he has improved on. I thought his asking for town credit didn't feel scummy. He was taking a lot of heat D1 and when the BH slip happened, his response felt like a "i told you so!" Just felt like a new player reaction more than a scum. I also found it extremely unlikely that jarjar was bussing BH from the beginning, so if BH flips scum, I'd doubt that jarjar would also. The other reason is that others have jumped out more. BH with the slip, dandel not giving a fuck and the last second vote still annoys me, and then GK for his no reading role pm, his flimsy arguments and for possibly being the 3P killer.
I thought the same yesterday about the BH thing, today I'm not so convinced on it.
I also checked out JarJar's newbie games; in 2 he didn't make any activity excuses at all, in 1 he made several. Guess the alignments?
His general tone is bugging me too, but I don't know how to explain that one very well.
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On May 21 2013 23:41 s0Lstice wrote:
JarJar
I'm going through your filter right now, and unless I somehow missed it, I don't see a single reference to GK.
What's your read and why? If I haven't mentioned him then nothing must have stood out to me as particularly scummy. I've liked alot of his reads (obviously not his scumread of me but I feel like it was a true read). The not reading his PM thing seems terrible but not really scummy. I think he's probably town.
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Alright ladies and gents I'm back.
Let's see here....JJD throwing suspicion on me?
What the fuck is this? You show up to post fucking twice every other day, have no consistency in your scumreads, have the balls to point out some of my shit and then don't even call me a scumread?
I guess I won't destroy you completely right now since you actually seem to be engaging the thread in conversation for once.
On May 21 2013 21:40 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 09:42 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 21 2013 09:26 Stutters695 wrote:On May 21 2013 09:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 21 2013 09:07 s0Lstice wrote:
also, Marv
I'd like to hear about this some more:
It's players like s0lstice we need to keep our eyes on.
from the QT with iamp. What exactly is your read on me? I'd be interested to hear this too. And actually solstice your other post reminds me, where the FUCK is Dandel? ##Vote: Dandel IonI am aware I have other scumreads to push today but Dandel seems a good one as any to begin with; I can't simply go on marv's read of him alone. Dandel if you want to live through the day, fucking talk to me. So what makes you vote DI over BH. Do you not feel BH is nearly confirmed scum after finding out iamp is a mason? I can't honestly say how I feel about it. I have experienced scum BH before and as I've mentioned before some of it feels like it fits but not exactly. This could also very well be an easy frame attempt from mafia, or it could be exactly what it looks like and BH is scum. I am more than happy to consolidate on a BH lynch later on but considering the entire town is already down his throat, one extra person pushing him is one more person not trying to find other scum. am I the only one that reads this as "I'll vote for BH if he's already dead but if there's a chance I can get someone else lynched I will"? And what do you mean by "an easy frame attempt from mafia"? Doesn't frame imply that mafia did something to put suspicion on him? Where's the frame?
Iamp showed up with a counterclaim and significant reason to lynch BH, therefore either BH killed iamp or mafia is trying to frame him into making us think that. Is it that hard to understand?
You do however make a point that right now my Dandel vote is going absolutely fucking nowhere since he's graduated from trolling to lurk-fucking-city. Still a long time in this day,however. Convince me not to push YOU as my primary scumread.
Your reasons for having scumreads on people are fucking terrible.
On May 21 2013 22:15 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 21:36 Spicydinosaur wrote:
jarjar, who are your other scum reads? YOU, Darthpunk and probably Grush You - based on the CnP fail as well as just being inconsistant in your explaination for it. DP - reasons already stated. Grush - for not posting any real opinion yet this game.
Grush? Really? I'm not getting into this again in detail; yes Grush is useless but unless he is vigged what are you going to do about it?
As far as suspicion on Spicy goes, I already re-attacked him for this if you'd read the thread and he explained it before that and as well when I attacked him pretty decently. I don't see what new evidence you've brought up here or why you're bothering pushing an ages-old matter that is barely relevant right now.
In other news, Marv you want to let me in on what you're thinking about the frame?
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Wave you so cute
The frame? what?
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On May 22 2013 00:20 marvellosity wrote:
Wave you so cute
The frame? what?
My thoughts on whether or not BH was framed. Are you 100% sure he is mafia? Because I'm not.
Cute trap you appear to be trying to set though.
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Wave, I'm not entirely clear on your frame statement. Are you saying the frame was scum killing Iamp so it would look like BH did it and that the "frame" has nothing to do with BH's slip? Please correct me if i'm misreading.
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On May 22 2013 00:24 WaveofShadow wrote:My thoughts on whether or not BH was framed. Are you 100% sure he is mafia? Because I'm not. Cute trap you appear to be trying to set though.
Framed by what?
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Do we have different understandings of the meaning of the word or something?
My thoughts at the time were, either BH is mafia and everything is exactly as it seems, or mafia killed iamp to make it look even more so that BH is mafia for reasons I explained to JJD, hence FRAMING him.
I don't know what is so hard to understand here.
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On May 22 2013 00:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
What the fuck is this? You show up to post fucking twice every other day, have no consistency in your scumreads, have the balls to point out some of my shit and then don't even call me a scumread? You're post looked suspicious to me so I pointed it out. That doesn't make you a scumread.
As far as suspicion on Spicy goes, I already re-attacked him for this if you'd read the thread and he explained it before that and as well when I attacked him pretty decently. I don't see what new evidence you've brought up here or why you're bothering pushing an ages-old matter that is barely relevant right now. I was asked
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On May 22 2013 00:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 00:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
What the fuck is this? You show up to post fucking twice every other day, have no consistency in your scumreads, have the balls to point out some of my shit and then don't even call me a scumread? You're post looked suspicious to me so I pointed it out. That doesn't make you a scumread. Show nested quote +As far as suspicion on Spicy goes, I already re-attacked him for this if you'd read the thread and he explained it before that and as well when I attacked him pretty decently. I don't see what new evidence you've brought up here or why you're bothering pushing an ages-old matter that is barely relevant right now. I was asked
Do YOU understand what I'm saying about BH right now? Because nobody else seems to.
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On May 22 2013 00:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Do we have different understandings of the meaning of the word or something?
My thoughts at the time were, either BH is mafia and everything is exactly as it seems, or mafia killed iamp to make it look even more so that BH is mafia for reasons I explained to JJD, hence FRAMING him.
I don't know what is so hard to understand here.
Well framing is typically done by a framer.
I've mentioned this before, but iamp doesn't have to die for him to stop being a town mason. 90%+ of the game thought iamp was strongly town (silly rayn), so if iamp and/or me are alive tomorrow producing those logs with the existing reads of town, what difference is it?
Do you really think if iamp were alive, there'd be enough doubt about his alignment for it to make a substantial difference?
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On May 21 2013 20:38 marvellosity wrote:
Hey DP, some input on this GK stuff? Talk to me, I'm bored.
Sorry I missed this been busy with the computing society at uni. GK needs to contribute more or die. IMO. I want to see townie goodkarma from that newbie where he raped the scum team at lylo.
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On May 22 2013 00:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 00:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Do we have different understandings of the meaning of the word or something?
My thoughts at the time were, either BH is mafia and everything is exactly as it seems, or mafia killed iamp to make it look even more so that BH is mafia for reasons I explained to JJD, hence FRAMING him.
I don't know what is so hard to understand here. Well framing is typically done by a framer. I've mentioned this before, but iamp doesn't have to die for him to stop being a town mason. 90%+ of the game thought iamp was strongly town (silly rayn), so if iamp and/or me are alive tomorrow producing those logs with the existing reads of town, what difference is it? Do you really think if iamp were alive, there'd be enough doubt about his alignment for it to make a substantial difference?
I don't really understand the bolded part of your statement.
As for the second, I suppose not. You think that there was no particular reason other than blue/iamp was towny for the kill last night? Again I have to ask, but in recent games I have played there appear to be (at least to me) obvious attempts to make me look like scum by scum killing townies I may have suspected or whom suspect me (usually the second). Is this or is it not something scum are likely to do, or is it me being a conspiracy theorist again? (I just can't fucking help myself)
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On May 22 2013 00:38 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 20:38 marvellosity wrote:
Hey DP, some input on this GK stuff? Talk to me, I'm bored. Sorry I missed this been busy with the computing society at uni. GK needs to contribute more or die. IMO. I want to see townie goodkarma from that newbie where he raped the scum team at lylo.
That's not a very interesting or thoughtful response. I brought up specific points and GK made specific responses. I want to know what you think about them. Not some general waffle.
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On May 22 2013 00:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 00:35 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2013 00:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Do we have different understandings of the meaning of the word or something?
My thoughts at the time were, either BH is mafia and everything is exactly as it seems, or mafia killed iamp to make it look even more so that BH is mafia for reasons I explained to JJD, hence FRAMING him.
I don't know what is so hard to understand here. Well framing is typically done by a framer. I've mentioned this before, but iamp doesn't have to die for him to stop being a town mason. 90%+ of the game thought iamp was strongly town (silly rayn), so if iamp and/or me are alive tomorrow producing those logs with the existing reads of town, what difference is it? Do you really think if iamp were alive, there'd be enough doubt about his alignment for it to make a substantial difference? I don't really understand the bolded part of your statement. As for the second, I suppose not. You think that there was no particular reason other than blue/iamp was towny for the kill last night? Again I have to ask, but in recent games I have played there appear to be (at least to me) obvious attempts to make me look like scum by scum killing townies I may have suspected or whom suspect me (usually the second). Is this or is it not something scum are likely to do, or is it me being a conspiracy theorist again? (I just can't fucking help myself)
The bolded bit is really just my poor english which is subsequently explained  ergo, iamp is town mason whether iamp is alive or dead.
iamp looked very town, and he outright claimed blue in the thread, while not being the most obvious medic target (DP and yamato were clamouring for that, iamp was telling the medic to protect me).
You're overthinking things if you're looking deeply into the reasons why a strong very townie-looking player who blue-claimed was nightkilled.
Here's some Blazing quotes. I've bolded various things, the rest of it doesn't really require any commentary. Let me know if you're desperate though.
On May 20 2013 06:28 Blazinghand wrote:
I've actually gotta go to work for a couple hours but I'll do my best to make up for my generally shit D1 play with some serious work tonight. Optimally I make it so scum has to shoot me.
On May 20 2013 12:29 Blazinghand wrote:
Interesting, but not really relevant. There's no choice more optimal than Marv. We work well together, he's smart, he's active and is around all the time, and I have a townread on him. He may not be as townread-ey to me as you are, but I don't interact well with you and my time wouldn't be as well-spent [as a quicktopic sharer - marv].
On May 20 2013 17:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Honestly I've been entirely tied up with defending myself since the "scumslip" and haven't done the actual filter-diving that I promised beforehand. I'll get right on it.
On May 21 2013 15:57 Blazinghand wrote:
Most of my activity during the night was spent dealing with the "scumslip". Unfortunately, effort and time are limited resources, even for a guy like me-- more time spent doing one thing takes away from my ability to do others.So, I didn't get much done in the QT or even in the thread. It doesn't look good, but that doesn't change things: it is what it is.
And, imo, my activity in the QT is not my best chance to avoid a mislynch. It's my activity in the thread, really.
I'll do my best to write cases and generate valuable information before bed tonight. I doubt I'll be able to avoid getting lynched today, but it's still my duty to leave something behind so that after DP picks his jaw up off the floor he can get something done.
On May 21 2013 17:08 Blazinghand wrote:
You don't really think I'm scum, though, and you don't want to say it-- you can't. That's okay, though. I'll see if I can't do something to make your belief justified.
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On May 22 2013 00:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 00:38 DarthPunk wrote:On May 21 2013 20:38 marvellosity wrote:
Hey DP, some input on this GK stuff? Talk to me, I'm bored. Sorry I missed this been busy with the computing society at uni. GK needs to contribute more or die. IMO. I want to see townie goodkarma from that newbie where he raped the scum team at lylo. That's not a very interesting or thoughtful response. I brought up specific points and GK made specific responses. I want to know what you think about them. Not some general waffle.
It's two in the morning but I'll take a look before bed and get back to you.
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On May 22 2013 00:52 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 00:44 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2013 00:38 DarthPunk wrote:On May 21 2013 20:38 marvellosity wrote:
Hey DP, some input on this GK stuff? Talk to me, I'm bored. Sorry I missed this been busy with the computing society at uni. GK needs to contribute more or die. IMO. I want to see townie goodkarma from that newbie where he raped the scum team at lylo. That's not a very interesting or thoughtful response. I brought up specific points and GK made specific responses. I want to know what you think about them. Not some general waffle. It's two in the morning but I'll take a look before bed and get back to you.
It wasn't 2 in the morning when it all happened, you just didn't talk about it at the time either <3
It can wait until tomorrow if you want to sleep.
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DP mentioned this about BH; would you expect a wrongfully accused BH to rail against his 'retarded attackers' or act the way he's been acting?
Regarding your line of quotes: honestly if BH really was town it's true that the best use of his time would have been to just ignore DP for the time being, convince YOU that he was town and then the two of you together would have done a better job in preventing a supposed mislynch. I don't know what else there is to say about all this. The evidence is overwhelming and damning. My gut feelings aside that there's something 'up,' I don't really see what else I can dispute. If people like JJD (that aren't likely scum) think that I'm not committed to a BH lynch because my vote isn't on him atm I can change it, but I'd still like to find out who the rest of the scumteam are and there's over 24h to go, so I don't see why that matters.
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On May 22 2013 00:53 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 00:52 DarthPunk wrote:On May 22 2013 00:44 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2013 00:38 DarthPunk wrote:On May 21 2013 20:38 marvellosity wrote:
Hey DP, some input on this GK stuff? Talk to me, I'm bored. Sorry I missed this been busy with the computing society at uni. GK needs to contribute more or die. IMO. I want to see townie goodkarma from that newbie where he raped the scum team at lylo. That's not a very interesting or thoughtful response. I brought up specific points and GK made specific responses. I want to know what you think about them. Not some general waffle. It's two in the morning but I'll take a look before bed and get back to you. It wasn't 2 in the morning when it all happened, you just didn't talk about it at the time either <3 It can wait until tomorrow if you want to sleep.
I wasn't really around when it all happened. I'm going to make a coffee and get into it though if you'll be around for at least another half hour?
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On May 22 2013 00:57 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 00:53 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2013 00:52 DarthPunk wrote:On May 22 2013 00:44 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2013 00:38 DarthPunk wrote:On May 21 2013 20:38 marvellosity wrote:
Hey DP, some input on this GK stuff? Talk to me, I'm bored. Sorry I missed this been busy with the computing society at uni. GK needs to contribute more or die. IMO. I want to see townie goodkarma from that newbie where he raped the scum team at lylo. That's not a very interesting or thoughtful response. I brought up specific points and GK made specific responses. I want to know what you think about them. Not some general waffle. It's two in the morning but I'll take a look before bed and get back to you. It wasn't 2 in the morning when it all happened, you just didn't talk about it at the time either <3 It can wait until tomorrow if you want to sleep. I wasn't really around when it all happened. I'm going to make a coffee and get into it though if you'll be around for at least another half hour?
Sure, I'll be here.
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