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DarthPunk
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16895808 On November 14 2012 07:06 Blazinghand wrote: Scumslips don't exist. Townies "scumslip" as much as scum do. There are scum mindsets and scum ways of doing things, but revealing "extra info" or telling someone you're scum inadvertently happens equally to scum or town. It's self-serving of me to mention this, but it's also true. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On May 20 2013 12:41 Blazinghand wrote: I assumed this game was a 3-scum game. If this were a 3-scum game, by night 3 I'll have masoned a 3rd person, it's no longer possible we're all scum together. The OP Does not state the number of scum, and for 16 players 4 would be more normal. DP assumes that I assumed 3 scum due to outside knowledge (ie being in the scum QT) and is attacking me based on that. So the scumslip is based on the fact that you'd only be masoning other scum players..? What? Oh wait I think I get it...basically your assumption was that DP thought you were fakeclaiming mason. Alright makes sense. DP it seems really unlikely that BH would fakeclaim mason for the reasons he stated. He's right in that he'd basically have to be scum mason to be even remotely safe with that claim. Are you absolutely sure he's scum just based on the perceived slip? | ||
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Stutters695
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Trolling at the start isn't really indicative (iirc he did this in MtG2 but his hydra partner (iamp) was so clearly town it didn't matter much). Not 100% on that but I'm pretty sure that's how it went down d1. I can check that in the morning before day post. That post against Marv about his trolling felt town at first glance, but when I think of it in retrospect it really is the most obvious thing to say, town or scum. I'm still leaning really slightly town on it simply because he's going up against Marv d1, which if he's scum is probably a poor move because Marv always has a really strong thread presence. He ignores Iamp's questions and only responds to Marv, but according to him he was only on p10. If that's true, null. His post on my meta I actually kinda liked for its honesty. Like he said, if you wanted to make me seem lynchable point out a good town game and compare it to that. My issue here, and its fairly major, is if he's aware of that and that my overall meta is like I'm playing, why was he trying to lynch me? If he wasn't(way more likely) then he had done nothing through this point. Next post: he actually has some stances although they're town reads. Sheeps the case on JJD, which he had already claimed he was a fan of, but his case on GK is what worries me here. Being the subject of GKs post, I actually felt he raised valid points since he didn't get my joke/it wad ambiguous that I was joking to DP while also correcting that I have no scum meta. I wouldn't have described that as a serious misrepresentation of my post, just a misunderstanding (I am still interested in lynching GK but nothing to do with that post). To this point, he's still barely taken a stance and arguably did the same type of misrepresentation he's accusing GK of. Next thing that seemed really odd was his post about Sputnik possibly using a really similar opening to his own in an off-site game. Not conclusive at all, but it makes me wonder why he would bring that up unless he knew something about Sputniks alignment considering he was playing near textbook scum and didn't ever actually push his lynch. Moving forward he asks questions but still avoids taking real stances. Even his vote on GK is off of a "slip" and not his overall scummy play. I need to get this post out quick so basically I think he's a strong scum possibility but there are others who I'd prefer because I know if he is town he can bring much more and there are people I think are more likely. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On December 02 2012 08:25 Blazinghand wrote: Whatever, it's a wording thing. Scumslips don't exist. On December 03 2012 15:54 Blazinghand wrote: Also: scumslips don't exist. | ||
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DarthPunk
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On May 20 2013 12:46 Blazinghand wrote: Mario Mini Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16895808 I know scumslips are real, having made them myself and by catching mafia with them, and i can tell the difference between something a townie could make and scum could make. Furthermore a townie wouldn't work so fast in covering their tracks. I would expect a townie to be like WTF??!?!? in a similar way that WoS reacted to me calling you out. You reacted in the exact same way you said you did as scum in the post game for "the game?". When you say something scummy you try and immediately call it out yourself so as people can;t call you out for it. Obviously I am not going to convince you you are scum. So I am ending this discussion. I will talk to townies about this. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On May 20 2013 12:50 Blazinghand wrote: Like, I "scumslip" all the time as town, and apparently an unusually high amount of the time as a blue. I was lucky that some of those times my claims were rocksolid or I had a good start rather than a bad start. This time, my claim is Mason and people are positing I'm a scum masoner (or am just fakeclaiming entirely in cahoots with marv) so my position is weaker. That being said, I beat the jubjubs trying to mislynch me those times, AND I'LL DO IT THIS TIME TOO. You keep using that word....I have no idea wtf it's supposed to mean but I always think of this: ![[image loading]](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qyhZ9_eXCHM/S0j-faLHB9I/AAAAAAAAEF4/F9y6P2prnL8/s400/troyjubselma.gif) | ||
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Blazinghand
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On May 20 2013 12:51 DarthPunk wrote: I know scumslips are real, having made them myself and by catching mafia with them, and i can tell the difference between something a townie could make and scum could make. Furthermore a townie wouldn't work so fast in covering their tracks. I would expect a townie to be like WTF??!?!? in a similar way that WoS reacted to me calling you out. You reacted in the exact same way you said you did as scum in the post game for "the game?". When you say something scummy you try and immediately call it out yourself so as people can;t call you out for it. Obviously I am not going to convince you you are scum. So I am ending this discussion. I will talk to townies about this. No, you will continue to talk to me about it. your goal isn't to convince me, it's to present arguments that I can rebut or not rebut. This is the way you will shape your case to be the strongest, if I am scum, and it's the way my defense will become the strongest, if I'm town. You don't get to opt out of this discourse. You don't get to call me scum without reacting to my points. You won't convince anyone that way, and given that you must acknowledge at least the possibility that I'm town, you won't find the truth if it does turn out I'm town. Play right and debate with me. | ||
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Blazinghand
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It's also worth noting I have only ever "scumslipped" as a blue, and have done so previously also as a mason. I have never scumslipped as scum or as a VT. Could this be my first time? Sure. But I'm an extremely solid scum player, and my blue play-- especially in a game like this with a rough start-- has holes in it. I post quickly and without always reading everything, since I am fearless, whereas as scum I post carefully, even when I am spamming. | ||
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DarthPunk
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On May 20 2013 12:46 WaveofShadow wrote: So the scumslip is based on the fact that you'd only be masoning other scum players..? What? Oh wait I think I get it...basically your assumption was that DP thought you were fakeclaiming mason. Alright makes sense. DP it seems really unlikely that BH would fakeclaim mason for the reasons he stated. He's right in that he'd basically have to be scum mason to be even remotely safe with that claim. Are you absolutely sure he's scum just based on the perceived slip? NO. The scumslip is this. I wanted BH to mason someone of the towns choosing so as to confirm he was a mason beyond all doubt. He then said he would be confirmed town after 3 nights because that would be the point that he was going to mason more people than were in his scum team implying extra knowledge of a scum team of 3. This is a slip because. He knows the size of the scum team. (3) The obvious scum team size assumption is 4 in a 16 player game. He then fucking tries to cover it up by saying this himself which he has just recently stated that is exactly how he deals with stuff that makes him look scummy in a recent postgame. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On May 20 2013 12:56 DarthPunk wrote: NO. The scumslip is this. I wanted BH to mason someone of the towns choosing so as to confirm he was a mason beyond all doubt. He then said he would be confirmed town after 3 nights because that would be the point that he was going to mason more people than were in his scum team implying extra knowledge of a scum team of 3. This is a slip because. He knows the size of the scum team. (3) The obvious scum team size assumption is 4 in a 16 player game. He then fucking tries to cover it up by saying this himself which he has just recently stated that is exactly how he deals with stuff that makes him look scummy in a recent postgame. Despite the fact that you have a very warped view of my play this past page and a half, yes, the alleged "scumslip" is that I assumed the size of the scumteam was 3 rather than 4. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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Has anyone ever played in a game or can give evidence of a 16-person game with only 3 scum? Obviously this could be the first but yeah I always assume scum make up 1/4 of the total count. | ||
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Blazinghand
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DarthPunk
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On May 20 2013 12:58 Blazinghand wrote: Despite the fact that you have a very warped view of my play this past page and a half, yes, the alleged "scumslip" is that I assumed the size of the scumteam was 3 rather than 4. You stated it as a fact. Saying you would be 'confirmed town' when in fact you would be confirmed mason. and not even including the possibility of other scumteam sizes. You then have an Oh Fuck! moment when you realize how badly you fucked up. And begin damage control. this is about as blatant a slip as you can expect. Also you not believing in scumslips doesn't mean they don't exist and certainly doesn't mean you didn't slip. Add this slip on to already scummy play which almost got blazinghand lynched last cycle I feel 100% confident we should lynch blazinghand tomorrow. | ||
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s0Lstice
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You are saying this slip means BH is a scum masoner? | ||
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