EPTOn May 20 2013 13:04 Blazinghand wrote:
In fact, given that there's probably 4 scum, you might even call that post a "townslip"
In fact, given that there's probably 4 scum, you might even call that post a "townslip"
Bullshit.
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Bullshit. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:05 s0Lstice wrote: DP, trying to think through this. You are saying this slip means BH is a scum masoner? Yep. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Maybe I didn't explain it well DP, but I get the scumslip now. I can think of an interesting way to add support to this. Has anyone ever played in a game or can give evidence of a 16-person game with only 3 scum? Obviously this could be the first but yeah I always assume scum make up 1/4 of the total count. Exactly. Blazinghand knows this and yet was operating under the knowledge of a 3 man scum team. | ||
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s0Lstice
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Why would he then say that he would be confirmed town after X nights when he knows that we are all aware that this is a closed set-up with the possibility of any role in play...even scum masoner? | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:08 DarthPunk wrote: Exactly. Blazinghand knows this and yet was operating under the knowledge of a 3 man scum team. It wasn't...rhetorical I was serious. Because honestly it wouldn't even make sense to me that there are 3 scum in this game, so if someone can find an example it would lend more credence to the scumslip theory. I also would like to hear what the rest of town thinks about this but I imagine this isn't exactly an active time for most people? | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:08 s0Lstice wrote: Why would he then say that he would be confirmed town after X nights when he knows that we are all aware that this is a closed set-up with the possibility of any role in play...even scum masoner? The idea (and it is a bad idea) is that I forgot about that part, (and this is more believable than me forgetting it as town). | ||
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On May 20 2013 12:37 Blazinghand wrote: Wow if I get lynched for that I'm never gonna live it down am I Look at this post. I am going after him like a rabid dog and instead of calling me bad/stupid like a townie who had not slipped at all would do he makes it seem as if it is HIS FAULT if he gets lynched. IF HE DIDN'T SLIP WHY WOULD HE BE AT FAULT FOR HIS LYNCH? he knows it would be his fault because he fucking slipped. He fucked up and knows it, thus will 'never live it down.' Inherent guilt and knowledge of his own fuck up. Lynch him tomorrow. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:08 s0Lstice wrote: Why would he then say that he would be confirmed town after X nights when he knows that we are all aware that this is a closed set-up with the possibility of any role in play...even scum masoner? Because scum masoners are rare and he is trying to leverage his role into town cred. Remember his mason claim is all that saved him and most of us were operating under the assumption that he was town mason. Also people say confirmed town all the time for stupid reasons. I choose to view it as meaningless posturing. | ||
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Like you gotta admit if you did this as town you'd feel that same way | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:15 Blazinghand wrote: The point is, I finally got my head above the flood of jub-jubbery in this thread and then I fucked up and scumslipped (as town, mind you!) Like you gotta admit if you did this as town you'd feel that same way nope. I would call you all fucking idiots because I didn't scumslip if I was town. or act confused like WoS was initially. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:10 WaveofShadow wrote: It wasn't...rhetorical I was serious. Because honestly it wouldn't even make sense to me that there are 3 scum in this game, so if someone can find an example it would lend more credence to the scumslip theory. I also would like to hear what the rest of town thinks about this but I imagine this isn't exactly an active time for most people? oh. If there are only 3 scum there is probably 3rd party. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:15 DarthPunk wrote: Because scum masoners are rare and he is trying to leverage his role into town cred. Remember his mason claim is all that saved him and most of us were operating under the assumption that he was town mason. Also people say confirmed town all the time for stupid reasons. I choose to view it as meaningless posturing. Yea I get the leverage argument...but I'm saying there is no leverage to be had since we all have discussed the closed set-up. Rare or not, its in play, so the town has to consider it. Like, we already have talked about how the mason claim isn't alignment indicative. I suppose it makes sense though. It also proves BH hasn't been reading the thread. If he had been diving filters, he'd know there aren't just 12 players (and hence 3 scum as per normal), and that assumption would not have arisen. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:17 DarthPunk wrote: nope. I would call you all fucking idiots because I didn't scumslip if I was town. or act confused like WoS was initially. OK but you gotta admit if I did this as town, this is how I'd act, and have historically acted. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:17 DarthPunk wrote: nope. I would call you all fucking idiots because I didn't scumslip if I was town. or act confused like WoS was initially. Wait, what? Are you calling me scum too here? Who is 'all?' | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Wait, what? Are you calling me scum too here? Who is 'all?' If I slipped as town I would call you all fucking idiots. 'all' being those accusing me. Don't know how you can get me calling you scum from that. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:22 s0Lstice wrote: Yea I get the leverage argument...but I'm saying there is no leverage to be had since we all have discussed the closed set-up. Rare or not, its in play, so the town has to consider it. Like, we already have talked about how the mason claim isn't alignment indicative. I suppose it makes sense though. It also proves BH hasn't been reading the thread. If he had been diving filters, he'd know there aren't just 12 players (and hence 3 scum as per normal), and that assumption would not have arisen. Assuming I'm town, it proves I haven't been reading the thread. If you think it's a legit scumslip, it says nothing about whether or not I'm reading the thread. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:24 DarthPunk wrote: If I slipped as town I would call you all fucking idiots. 'all' being those accusing me. Don't know how you can get me calling you scum from that. Because you said as town you wouldn't scumslip or act confused. Plus 'act' confused insinuates you believe my confusion is an act, which since I'm apparently having so much trouble understand what you're saying, isn't. Maybe it's all relatively simple and I'm just an idiot or fucking exhausted. I need to go to bed. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:22 s0Lstice wrote: Yea I get the leverage argument...but I'm saying there is no leverage to be had since we all have discussed the closed set-up. Rare or not, its in play, so the town has to consider it. Like, we already have talked about how the mason claim isn't alignment indicative. I suppose it makes sense though. It also proves BH hasn't been reading the thread. If he had been diving filters, he'd know there aren't just 12 players (and hence 3 scum as per normal), and that assumption would not have arisen. The confirmed town part is meaningless. It doesn't mean anything. Both scum and town like to call themselves confirmed town. And if Blazinghand was 'playing' the role of town mason then it makes sense to call himself confirmed town because he is trying to emulate the mindset of a real town mason. Regardless the confirmed town part is peripheral to the real slip and is meaningless in determining blazinghands alignment or the validity of his slip. | ||
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On May 20 2013 12:56 Blazinghand wrote: It is a valid point that I am a solid scum player and will point out my own errors to defuse the strength of them, by the way-- and I take this into advisement. But, on the other hand, there's another completely reasonable explanation for my post, which is that I'm town and I was like "oh, hey there could be 4 scum actually" and wrote that post. Does this mean the post is evidence that I'm town? not, but it's not evidence that I'm scum. It's also worth noting I have only ever "scumslipped" as a blue, and have done so previously also as a mason. I have never scumslipped as scum or as a VT. Could this be my first time? Sure. But I'm an extremely solid scum player, and my blue play-- especially in a game like this with a rough start-- has holes in it. I post quickly and without always reading everything, since I am fearless, whereas as scum I post carefully, even when I am spamming. DP, you've laid out a very convincing case for how scum blazinghand could make that post I made where I commented there could be 4 scum. I agree: scum Blazinghand could definitely write a post like that. Where i think you've fallen short is where you demonstrate that this isnt' something I do as town. I do this kind of "write something, then add some additional observation" thing, ALL THE TIME as town. So yes, the "BH is scum" narrative fits that post, but you have not demonstrated that the "BH is town narrative" does not. Therefore, although I don't consider that post a towntell, it is NOT a scumtell. I could, and do, write posts like that as both alignments, including after "scumslips" as town. And I think the fact that I scumslip often, revealing "scum only" information as town, and especially as Blue, is HIGHLY relevant to this conversation. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:24 Blazinghand wrote: Assuming I'm town, it proves I haven't been reading the thread. If you think it's a legit scumslip, it says nothing about whether or not I'm reading the thread. Yes it does. Scum BH would not have claimed to be confirmed town after 3 nights if he had been reading the thread. We are all factoring in the possibility of a scum mason. | ||
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