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On May 20 2013 13:26 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 13:24 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 13:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 20 2013 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 13:15 Blazinghand wrote:
The point is, I finally got my head above the flood of jub-jubbery in this thread and then I fucked up and scumslipped (as town, mind you!)
Like you gotta admit if you did this as town you'd feel that same way nope. I would call you all fucking idiots because I didn't scumslip if I was town. or act confused like WoS was initially. Wait, what? Are you calling me scum too here? Who is 'all?' If I slipped as town I would call you all fucking idiots. 'all' being those accusing me. Don't know how you can get me calling you scum from that. Because you said as town you wouldn't scumslip or act confused. Plus 'act' confused insinuates you believe my confusion is an act, which since I'm apparently having so much trouble understand what you're saying, isn't. Maybe it's all relatively simple and I'm just an idiot or fucking exhausted. I need to go to bed.
If I was town I wouldn't be so quick to understand what was going on. I would either call you all idiots immediately because to me, thinking with a town mindset, It would be fucking retarded that i slipped as town.
Or I wouldn't even understand how it was a slip and thus 'be' confused as to how it was a slip in the first place.
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On May 20 2013 13:29 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 13:24 Blazinghand wrote:On May 20 2013 13:22 s0Lstice wrote:On May 20 2013 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 13:08 s0Lstice wrote:On May 20 2013 13:07 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 13:05 s0Lstice wrote:
DP, trying to think through this.
You are saying this slip means BH is a scum masoner? Yep. Why would he then say that he would be confirmed town after X nights when he knows that we are all aware that this is a closed set-up with the possibility of any role in play...even scum masoner? Because scum masoners are rare and he is trying to leverage his role into town cred. Remember his mason claim is all that saved him and most of us were operating under the assumption that he was town mason. Also people say confirmed town all the time for stupid reasons. I choose to view it as meaningless posturing. Yea I get the leverage argument...but I'm saying there is no leverage to be had since we all have discussed the closed set-up. Rare or not, its in play, so the town has to consider it. Like, we already have talked about how the mason claim isn't alignment indicative. I suppose it makes sense though. It also proves BH hasn't been reading the thread. If he had been diving filters, he'd know there aren't just 12 players (and hence 3 scum as per normal), and that assumption would not have arisen. Assuming I'm town, it proves I haven't been reading the thread. If you think it's a legit scumslip, it says nothing about whether or not I'm reading the thread. Yes it does. Scum BH would not have claimed to be confirmed town after 3 nights if he had been reading the thread. We are all factoring in the possibility of a scum mason.
Yeah. He would have. Because he slipped.
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Blazinghand
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On May 20 2013 13:29 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 13:24 Blazinghand wrote:On May 20 2013 13:22 s0Lstice wrote:On May 20 2013 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 13:08 s0Lstice wrote:On May 20 2013 13:07 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 13:05 s0Lstice wrote:
DP, trying to think through this.
You are saying this slip means BH is a scum masoner? Yep. Why would he then say that he would be confirmed town after X nights when he knows that we are all aware that this is a closed set-up with the possibility of any role in play...even scum masoner? Because scum masoners are rare and he is trying to leverage his role into town cred. Remember his mason claim is all that saved him and most of us were operating under the assumption that he was town mason. Also people say confirmed town all the time for stupid reasons. I choose to view it as meaningless posturing. Yea I get the leverage argument...but I'm saying there is no leverage to be had since we all have discussed the closed set-up. Rare or not, its in play, so the town has to consider it. Like, we already have talked about how the mason claim isn't alignment indicative. I suppose it makes sense though. It also proves BH hasn't been reading the thread. If he had been diving filters, he'd know there aren't just 12 players (and hence 3 scum as per normal), and that assumption would not have arisen. Assuming I'm town, it proves I haven't been reading the thread. If you think it's a legit scumslip, it says nothing about whether or not I'm reading the thread. Yes it does. Scum BH would not have claimed to be confirmed town after 3 nights if he had been reading the thread. We are all factoring in the possibility of a scum mason.
OK let me lay it out more clearly. Scum BH would have scumslipped to reveal there are only 3 scum, right? But Scum BH IS IN A QT WITH TWO OTHER PLAYERS. This means he has heard them speculate about the 3p menace (since a 3-man scumteam in a 16-player normal mini immediately is aware there is at least 1 SK) and specifically mention the game size. If I am scum, the fact that I posted this "slip" has nothing to do with whether or not I was reading the thread. Scum BH knows there is a 3p in the game (or really really super dooper strongly suspects it) since his partners were like "wtf why are we only 3 in this 16 man game. He KNOWS it's a 16-man game, because it was a relevant point of the initial discussions of the scum QT. If I'm town, yes, it means I haven't filter-dived. But IF YOU THINK THE SCUMSLIP IS LEGIT you have no reason to think I'm unaware of the game size, since, well, you think I'm scum. Not that any of this is relevant to proving that I'm town, but you're wrong and you need to be informed that you're wrong.
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I have to admire blazinghand's method of diffusing the situation by being hyper aware of everything and explaining it for people. Doesn't stop him being scum. It is his default tactic for shit like this.
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Blazinghand
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On May 20 2013 13:35 DarthPunk wrote:
I have to admire blazinghand's method of diffusing the situation by being hyper aware of everything and explaining it for people. Doesn't stop him being scum. It is his default tactic for shit like this.
This observation is true, but it's what I do as scum OR town. Although it's true it's not a towntell for me, my attempts to be helpful are not a scumtell either.
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No, BH. I was referencing the leverage you would gain with town. Not the game size. Like DP says though, that part is not important.
DP, you are 100% convinced that a town BH who is not reading the thread could have said what he said?
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EBWOP: convinced=not convinced
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On May 20 2013 13:40 s0Lstice wrote:
No, BH. I was referencing the leverage you would gain with town. Not the game size. Like DP says though, that part is not important.
DP, you are 100% convinced that a town BH who is not reading the thread could have said what he said?
I'm 100% convinced that the slip in concert with the reactions immediately afterwards means we are dealing with a scum blazinghand.
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Additionally, even if blazinghand was not reading the thread, if he knew how many players were in the game then he would not have said 3 person scum team.
And it is a very safe assumption that BH knew the size of the game.
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Yea I think I'm with you DP.
BH, you would have to have been ignoring the thread to criminal extreme to not be aware of the fact that this is a 16 player game. I know you've been filter diving at least some as you've made a few cases. Ergo, your assumption really should have been 4 mafia. I just don't buy that you haven't payed enough attention to not even know how many players are in the game.
Looks like you just ninja'd me DP. But yea let's lynch him tomorrow.
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Blazinghand
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I'd like to take an additional moment to rehash DP's "damage control" critique of my play, since he harped on it quite a bit. He notes that I immediately took steps to defuse the situation or to note my own "scumslip", stating that this is something I do as scum. I've said it once, and I'll say it again: I do this as all alignments. First off, anyone who's read any of my games knows I follow up big, quickly-typed-out posts with small comments, changes, or retractions ALL THE TIME. I do this as scum, I do this as town, I do it for big things, I do it for little things. I've done it for "scumslips" as town, as I've noted this in the thread and I'll be glad to show me backtracking things in all my other games. I'll even see if I can find some "scumslips" I've successfully backtracked as town without anyone noticing. But the fact that I reacted to this calmly when that's just what I do is not alignment-indicative.
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Blazinghand
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God what kind of stupid mini game has 4 scum in it anyways
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Blazinghand
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wow all my filters are so fucking bullshit to read, i have no idea how anyone analyzes my play
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BH a dead man tomorrow. That seems pretty easy.
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Blazinghand
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Yamato please explain in detail your reasoning to me, and let me try to convince you I'm town. how does that sound?
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Blazinghand
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If there is a vigi contemplating shooting me to save town an "obvious" lynch, don't do it. I will talk my way out of this one, and you will be glad you didn't shoot me. Trust me. At least check back on the thread before the end of the night and read what I've said and seriously think about whether or not you want to shoot me. I'm sure I can convince you personally and the rest of the thread not to lynch me, and the future you who is convinced I'm town will be glad the past you didn't shoot me.
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I don't like you already.
You make an apparent scumslip and act SCUMMY AS FUCK afterward.
I think you should die.
Seems easy enough.
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Blazinghand
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On May 20 2013 15:10 yamato77 wrote:
I don't like you already.
You make an apparent scumslip and act SCUMMY AS FUCK afterward.
I think you should die.
Seems easy enough.
Ok, describe SPECIFICALLY which part of my actions are scummy, and why. If for no other reason to collect town cred when I flip red! I feel like I've debunked all of DP's points but I'd like to hear what someone other than him has to say
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DP is also correct in that you love to talk a shitton once you make a mistake as scum and try to cover it up. Not this time, pal.
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Blazinghand
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On May 20 2013 15:13 yamato77 wrote:
DP is also correct in that you love to talk a shitton once you make a mistake as scum and try to cover it up. Not this time, pal.
And what about the fact that I do this also as town?
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