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Blazinghand
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On May 20 2013 16:51 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 16:46 Blazinghand wrote:
please explain more thoroughly, I'm not sure what your critique of my post is. You're so... emotionless. The exclamation point and the whole "I'm being a helpful, friendly townie!" thing you've got going on is just too much. Maybe I'm conditioned to think of town as messy and egotistical, but I see literally nothing but flat logic from you, which amounts to nothing more than WIFOM. Honestly, believing that you just happened to assume there's 3 scum in a 16 player game with no information in the OP pointing at this possibility is wine that's insanely hard to drink, good sir. I like the wine that tastes like "BH is scum."
So you have no rebuttal of all my points that have shot down your initial arguments, other than that the way I did so was "emotionless"-- and of course, the scumslip, which you believe to be real.
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Blazinghand
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Basically you're voting me for the scumslip and for how mechanically I deconstructed your reasons for voting me.
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Blazinghand
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Actually you're not voting me YET but you're planning on it. you get the idea
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I'm voting for you because I don't believe you. I already don't particularly want to believe you anyway, because the amount of effort you've put in to finding scum is pathetic, and then you make a slip like this.
You have YOUR explanations for why you wrote what you did, but they seem much more easily and simply explained as"BH is scum and not colossally bad at this game."
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On May 20 2013 16:53 Blazinghand wrote:
Actually you're not voting me YET but you're planning on it. you get the idea
I rolled with it.
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Blazinghand
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On May 20 2013 16:55 yamato77 wrote:
I'm voting for you because I don't believe you. I already don't particularly want to believe you anyway, because the amount of effort you've put in to finding scum is pathetic, and then you make a slip like this.
You have YOUR explanations for why you wrote what you did, but they seem much more easily and simply explained as"BH is scum and not colossally bad at this game."
See, I think when it comes down to it, you don't actually want to lynch me because of what I said after my "scumslip". You wanted to lynch me all D1 and wrote lots of cases and put a lot of pressure on me. The scumslip itself fits into your preconcieved notion of how I always play as town (though this notion is not correct (link) (link)) so you see no reason to question it. You don't have specific things to say about why you don't like my actions post-scumslip because, well, you don't like my actions post-scumslip because you don't like my actions BEFORE the "scumslip". And that's reasonable, more reasonable than the people who want to lynch me for the scumslip, but you're not owning it! At least own it. Of the various people who seem to think I'm scum, you have a reason to do so OTHER than the scumslip. Why isn't that the centerpiece of your case?
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Blazinghand
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I've given completely reasonable explanations, explanations that are in my opinion AS or MORE likely to be true than the various explanations DP has offered for my actions after the "scumslip". For what it's worth, I make one-off comments, asides, wry observations and such ALL THE TIME. I even make ones that make me look weird/scummy (as town OR scum) because that's just my personality. I keep it casual. If you think all my actions after the "scumslip" are scummy BECAUSE all my actions BEFORE the scumslip are scummy, you're privileging the hypothesis-- or in mafia parlance, tunnelling.
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Blazinghand
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On May 20 2013 16:53 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 16:51 yamato77 wrote:On May 20 2013 16:46 Blazinghand wrote:
please explain more thoroughly, I'm not sure what your critique of my post is. You're so... emotionless. The exclamation point and the whole "I'm being a helpful, friendly townie!" thing you've got going on is just too much. Maybe I'm conditioned to think of town as messy and egotistical, but I see literally nothing but flat logic from you, which amounts to nothing more than WIFOM. Honestly, believing that you just happened to assume there's 3 scum in a 16 player game with no information in the OP pointing at this possibility is wine that's insanely hard to drink, good sir. I like the wine that tastes like "BH is scum." So you have no rebuttal of all my points that have shot down your initial arguments, other than that the way I did so was "emotionless"-- and of course, the scumslip, which you believe to be real.
And in particular I'd like to point out that me being "emotionless" has no bearing on whether or not I'm scum. It's not a scumtell for me, and I don't think it's a scumtell in general. What happened here was you made an observation, then said "oh, well I already think BH is scum, so I'm going to believe this observation supports my hypothesis!" even though the observation on its own isn't meaningful.
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To believe you're town, I have to assume:
1) You assumed there were 3 scum for no discernible reason, which is directly in conflict with the reasonable assumptions most people have made about the size of the scum team given the total number of players. This also shows an absolute neglect of paying attention to the thread.
2) Were so intent on proving yourself innocent that you made this faulty assumption instead of simply playing the game in a more conventionally townie way, such as scum hunting.
3) Assumed immediately upon reading DP's post that it would be so difficult a situation to diffuse that it would get you lynched, despite him being only one member of the game, and there being a plethora of time between now and the lynch, and acted on this assumption.
4) Made a weird post considering the possibility that your slip is real in a moment of "humor", despite DP breathing down your neck about the "scumslip". Not once, but twice now.
To believe you are scum, I assume:
1) You are scum, made some colossally bad posts, and are now trying to control the damage in every way possible.
See why I think you're scum?
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OK. Blazinghand is going to kick and scream and talk and talk and talk and argue away the slip.
The fact remains that I am 100% confident he is scum. He slipped. Plain and simple. He slipped whilst trying to become confirmed town via his role.
His mindset Directly after the slip is scummy as shit. He composes himself later and tries to drown out the blatantly scummy posts of his but it is too late. No matter what BH says he can't change those few posts which complete reveal a scum mindset.
Add to that the only reason he is alive today is due to a Mason claim which could be scum aligned just makes this all the more obvious.
Lynch Blazinghand tomorrow. No excuses. No Exceptions. No matter how hard he fights it.
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On May 20 2013 17:05 Blazinghand wrote:
I've given completely reasonable explanations, explanations that are in my opinion AS or MORE likely to be true than the various explanations DP has offered for my actions after the "scumslip". For what it's worth, I make one-off comments, asides, wry observations and such ALL THE TIME. I even make ones that make me look weird/scummy (as town OR scum) because that's just my personality. I keep it casual. If you think all my actions after the "scumslip" are scummy BECAUSE all my actions BEFORE the scumslip are scummy, you're privileging the hypothesis-- or in mafia parlance, tunnelling.
Actually all you have done is desperately fling meta into the thread to try and prove you do things as both alignments. I don't give a fuck about your meta. This isn't a meta case so stop bringing meta into it.
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Blazinghand
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On May 20 2013 17:09 yamato77 wrote:
To believe you're town, I have to assume:
1) You assumed there were 3 scum for no discernible reason, which is directly in conflict with the reasonable assumptions most people have made about the size of the scum team given the total number of players. This also shows an absolute neglect of paying attention to the thread.
Honestly I don't have a good explanation for the slip other than that I thought "oh there are 3 scum in this game". That's it.
On May 20 2013 17:09 yamato77 wrote:
2) Were so intent on proving yourself innocent that you made this faulty assumption instead of simply playing the game in a more conventionally townie way, such as scum hunting.
This was specifically in the context of people talking about the usage of my role-- it didn't come out of the blue, it came up during conversation. There was talk of a marv+bh scumteam, and I noted (erroneously) that by night 3 I'll have masoned 3 people and it'll be clear I'm a 'confirmed town'. This statement was also wrong in that I assumed there is no possibility for a scum masoner, but the point is, it was during a conversation.
On May 20 2013 17:09 yamato77 wrote:
3) Assumed immediately upon reading DP's post that it would be so difficult a situation to diffuse that it would get you lynched, despite him being only one member of the game, and there being a plethora of time between now and the lynch, and acted on this assumption.
I didn't say it would get me lynched, I said if I get lynched for it I'd never live it down! And it's totally true.
On May 20 2013 17:09 yamato77 wrote:
4) Made a weird post considering the possibility that your slip is real in a moment of "humor", despite DP breathing down your neck about the "scumslip". Not once, but twice now.
Uh have you ever played with me?
On May 20 2013 17:09 yamato77 wrote:
To believe you are scum, I assume:
1) You are scum, made some colossally bad posts, and are now trying to control the damage in every way possible.
See why I think you're scum?
You have to also believe there are 3 scum in a 16-player game.
You have to also assume that I forgot that this fact is unknown (despite that fact that a 3-scum team in a 16-player game is thinking a lot about the 3p role and definitely talking about their size in the group)
You have to also assume that I, as scum, am a scum masoner in a normal mini game.
All of these are as weird or weirder assumptions than the ones you brought up. The reason you think I'm scum has nothing to do with this and everything to do with how I played D1. You've thought i'm scum for the past 48 hours.
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Blazinghand
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On May 20 2013 17:13 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 17:05 Blazinghand wrote:
I've given completely reasonable explanations, explanations that are in my opinion AS or MORE likely to be true than the various explanations DP has offered for my actions after the "scumslip". For what it's worth, I make one-off comments, asides, wry observations and such ALL THE TIME. I even make ones that make me look weird/scummy (as town OR scum) because that's just my personality. I keep it casual. If you think all my actions after the "scumslip" are scummy BECAUSE all my actions BEFORE the scumslip are scummy, you're privileging the hypothesis-- or in mafia parlance, tunnelling. Actually all you have done is desperately fling meta into the thread to try and prove you do things as both alignments. I don't give a fuck about your meta. This isn't a meta case so stop bringing meta into it.
The fact of the matter is, if you say "BH is doing this, this is something scum does" it's entirely valid to say "well, this is something I do as town" isn't it? Look, imagine if someone said "look how aggressive DP is! he must be scum!" you'd say "uh man I do that as town also, I'm always aggressive" and the person said "this isnt' a meta case so stop bringing meta into it" you'd be like "wat"
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Blazinghand
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On May 20 2013 17:10 DarthPunk wrote:
OK. Blazinghand is going to kick and scream and talk and talk and talk and argue away the slip.
The fact remains that I am 100% confident he is scum. He slipped. Plain and simple. He slipped whilst trying to become confirmed town via his role.
His mindset Directly after the slip is scummy as shit. He composes himself later and tries to drown out the blatantly scummy posts of his but it is too late. No matter what BH says he can't change those few posts which complete reveal a scum mindset.
Add to that the only reason he is alive today is due to a Mason claim which could be scum aligned just makes this all the more obvious.
Lynch Blazinghand tomorrow. No excuses. No Exceptions. No matter how hard he fights it.
There is no new information here for me to respond to.
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Blazinghand
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And I'd just like to note, the fact that I'm fighting hard against getting lynched is not a scumtell. I fight hard against getting lynched as every alignment.
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You forgetting about the scum masoner possibility does seem like something a scum player wouldn't do.
I want to know more about your reads before I write you off. For starters, tell me why you masoned marv.
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On May 20 2013 17:26 yamato77 wrote:
You forgetting about the scum masoner possibility does seem like something a scum player wouldn't do.
I want to know more about your reads before I write you off. For starters, tell me why you masoned marv.
Of course he is not going to talk about a scum masoner if he is a scum masoner.
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Blazinghand
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On May 20 2013 17:26 yamato77 wrote:
You forgetting about the scum masoner possibility does seem like something a scum player wouldn't do.
I want to know more about your reads before I write you off. For starters, tell me why you masoned marv.
Basically, I came into night 1 with 3 big townreads: DP, Marv, and (to an extent) Iamp. I decided I needed to mason someone who A) is almost certainly town and B) I can work well with. A) is because I want it to be clear I was in fact a masoner. B) is so that, well, I'm using my skill in a worthwhile way.
I decided that since the Iamp read is based on meta, and DP and I rarely interact well, I'd be best off going with Marv. Admittedly there was a risk to it since Marv and I have clashed once or twice recently (LXI), but Marv likes winning games of mafia more than he likes fighting with me, so I figured it was my best bet.
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On May 20 2013 17:29 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 17:26 yamato77 wrote:
You forgetting about the scum masoner possibility does seem like something a scum player wouldn't do.
I want to know more about your reads before I write you off. For starters, tell me why you masoned marv. Of course he is not going to talk about a scum masoner if he is a scum masoner.
How likely is it that a scum masoner has the presence of mind to omit the existence if his own role when considering how to make himself confirmed town to the thread?
If he did this, he's better at scum than I thought.
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On May 20 2013 17:31 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 17:26 yamato77 wrote:
You forgetting about the scum masoner possibility does seem like something a scum player wouldn't do.
I want to know more about your reads before I write you off. For starters, tell me why you masoned marv. Basically, I came into night 1 with 3 big townreads: DP, Marv, and (to an extent) Iamp. I decided I needed to mason someone who A) is almost certainly town and B) I can work well with. A) is because I want it to be clear I was in fact a masoner. B) is so that, well, I'm using my skill in a worthwhile way. I decided that since the Iamp read is based on meta, and DP and I rarely interact well, I'd be best off going with Marv. Admittedly there was a risk to it since Marv and I have clashed once or twice recently (LXI), but Marv likes winning games of mafia more than he likes fighting with me, so I figured it was my best bet.
Why do you think Marv is so townie?
I do not share that opinion, necessarily.
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