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On May 22 2013 01:39 DarthPunk wrote:
@ WoS listen to marv. He is right. Blazinghand was scum to me because I was around in the moment and his reactions revealed a scum mindset tellingly, but I can understand at that point if others didn't agree. But the way he has constantly talked about scum hunting or being productive in the Mason QT but has not actually produced anything is the most telling. This guy can't scumhunt cause he doesn't want to give any info so he is sitting tight, making all the promises in the world like some guy trying to lose his virginity.
About goodkarma. I was going to say once again that I would rather wait and see before I pass judgement on Him. But then I realised that I have been saying that all along with no payoff from GK. and the reason for that is that I am fond of Goodkarma because we grew up together.
There IS something off about goodkarma, marv's points are good and the fundamental problem I am having is all the Excuses.
Such as
But I am always scummy day one
This always happens to me
I didn't even read my role PM but now I did and I am town even though if I was scum I would also say I was town.
Now it is day two and goodkarma still is not looking very good.
The thing is though. Town goodkarma is fucking townie townie rainbows. So this isn't very hard.
Goodkarma either becomes townie townie rainbows and takes fucking charge of the scm hunt like I know he is capable of. (best town newbie performance 2012)
or we lynch the shit out of him next. and Dandel.
in fact. I am calling a scum team rite nao.
BH, Dandel, Goodkarma and JJD if one of those isn't scum
lol DP that's pretty much what I have as scumteam atm, and I think iamp had the same thing?
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Where IS JJD during all this?
Did he just fuck off again?
Marv I'll look into XXXIX and do a full read of JJD when I get the chance. Was that the game where scum fucked up at LYLO with the 3 man vote switch? I was obsing that game and stopped paying attention to it at some point.
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On May 22 2013 06:48 Dandel Ion wrote:
but good point on the switch onto iamp
although, i guess as was pointed out, it's technically possible he was the shot all along, albeit unlikely, seeing as Hapa is not on the player list
This is your triumphant return to the thread Dandel? I don't understand this meta shit, say something that makes sense to me.
BH now that you finally appear to be giving us reads, you've probably seen the scumreads that a few of us seem to share atm. Do you have anyone who doesn't fit into that list and if so, why? That would be more valuable imo if you somehow flip town.
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BH for someone doing his best to engage people in the thread, you appear to be ignoring me.
Dandel I expect it from. You I don't.
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On May 22 2013 08:22 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 08:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
BH for someone doing his best to engage people in the thread, you appear to be ignoring me.
Dandel I expect it from. You I don't. I'm certain I've directly responded to your recent post addressing me. Is there another post besides this one (link) of yours that you want me to read?
Apparently I've missed it then. Can you show me?
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Oh I see, misunderstanding. I meant do you have scumreads outside of JJD/dandel/GK?
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On May 22 2013 08:33 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 08:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh I see, misunderstanding. I meant do you have scumreads outside of JJD/dandel/GK? 1) 3 scumreads is clearly enough 2) I no longer have a scumread on JJD, if you've been reading my interaction with stutters this page 3) not really a solid scumread on DI, though this is suject to change 4) you
1) Why is that enough? Who are your three?
2) I have been
3) ok
4) elaborate please
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On May 22 2013 08:46 Stutters695 wrote:
His three would be GK, you, DI in order of scumminess based off of our talks.
Alright I was about to ask where the hell he mentioned me but it appears he posted while I was writing something and I missed it.
I'm curious as to why 3 scumreads is enough. I'd also still like him to elaborate on me because that's a hell of a lot less detail he goes into than he did regarding GK.
I'm modestly sure WoS is scum. He had an extremely flip-floppy post earlier in the game (link). I had him as one of my top scumreads over the course of D1, and it seems like he's fishing for reasons to attack me (like, what? I'm clearly getting lynched today) and not really reading what I have to write today. I'm not as positive on this as I am on my GK scumread though.
A days-old read is not enough imo, especially since he says I was one of his top scumreads and he did absolutely nothing about it. I'm fishing for reasons to attack him as well he says, when in fact I'm trying to cover all avenues and possibilities because as I've said multiple times, I'M NOT sure BH is 100% scum. BH you say I don't read what you've wrote but have you read at all what I've written about you? This is a completely baseless attack on me and reeks of absolutely no effort. Why do I not deserve the effort you seem to have started putting into the game recently?
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On May 22 2013 09:11 s0Lstice wrote:Marv (and all)-- This is compelling: Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 01:40 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2013 01:31 s0Lstice wrote:On May 22 2013 01:26 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2013 01:24 s0Lstice wrote:On May 18 2013 22:21 JarJarDrinks wrote:On May 18 2013 22:11 marvellosity wrote:On May 18 2013 22:03 iamperfection wrote:
marv do you think jarjar would try to throw dirt on bh if bh is town and jarjar were scum? Maybe? I understand what you're getting at, but I'm ambivalent about it. Is he trying to imply that BH and I are scumbuddies? Is that so when BH flips red I don't look quite as good? If you think me and BH are both scum then help me bus him. ##vote: blazinghand(Sorry if I'm interpretting your post wrong iamp. But that's what I felt like u were saying) This post by JarJar is just so ballsy and fearless. I can't help but assign JJ mad townie points every time I read it. Definitely muddies the waters for me. Either that or it's hilariously honest. lol. That could explain the aggressiveness and anger. Hes spent the whole game building credit for the bus, but no credit is being assigned to him. Associations before the flip ftw Little tidbit for you to think about. The original question from iamp to me was saying this: "do you think jarjar would try to throw dirt on bh if bh is town and jarjar were scum?" What iamp was implying was this: how likely is it for a newer scumplayer to attack a known, stronger player? iamp is basically saying that JarJar looks townier for attacking a strong player. This isn't necessarily that obvious, but JarJar thinks that iamp is saying that Jarjar (mafia) would only attack BH if he were mafia. It could well mean implied guilt, when the original intention of iamp's was actually more of a mini-defence. I went back and read that exchange and I see what you are getting at. I think it's significant. Building on what I said here... Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 01:31 s0Lstice wrote:On May 22 2013 01:26 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2013 01:24 s0Lstice wrote:On May 18 2013 22:21 JarJarDrinks wrote:On May 18 2013 22:11 marvellosity wrote:On May 18 2013 22:03 iamperfection wrote:
marv do you think jarjar would try to throw dirt on bh if bh is town and jarjar were scum? Maybe? I understand what you're getting at, but I'm ambivalent about it. Is he trying to imply that BH and I are scumbuddies? Is that so when BH flips red I don't look quite as good? If you think me and BH are both scum then help me bus him. ##vote: blazinghand(Sorry if I'm interpretting your post wrong iamp. But that's what I felt like u were saying) This post by JarJar is just so ballsy and fearless. I can't help but assign JJ mad townie points every time I read it. Definitely muddies the waters for me. Either that or it's hilariously honest. lol. That could explain the aggressiveness and anger. Hes spent the whole game building credit for the bus, but no credit is being assigned to him. Associations before the flip ftw ...I went to look at JJ's filter again to see if it looked like he was scrambling for credit for BH's flip, because I seemed to remember him fighting for it a lot. Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 22:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
All caught up.
So BH scumslipped? I'm shocked. /end sarcasm
FWIW, I don't it's unreasonable to think that DP is bussing here. He's trying to gain town cred for a lynch that almost happened yesterday. If they thought that BH was most likely gonna get lynched or vigged, it'd be a pretty good scum play IMO.
I'm not saying I definately think it's true, but DP "catching" BH in scumslip when there are already several people suspecting BH doesn't make me think DP is any more likely to be town. Bolded is a passive reminder that he's been saying this all along. Also, talking about a DP bus play is just off the wall nuts imo. I see no reason why this thought would cross any town players mind at this juncture...but it could come from the mind of someone who has been thinking 'bus' all game. This is pointed out in the next quote. Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 22:56 JarJarDrinks wrote:On May 20 2013 22:46 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 22:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
All caught up.
So BH scumslipped? I'm shocked. /end sarcasm
FWIW, I don't it's unreasonable to think that DP is bussing here. He's trying to gain town cred for a lynch that almost happened yesterday. If they thought that BH was most likely gonna get lynched or vigged, it'd be a pretty good scum play IMO.
I'm not saying I definately think it's true, but DP "catching" BH in scumslip when there are already several people suspecting BH doesn't make me think DP is any more likely to be town. Why on earth would you put forward the theory that DP is bussing? There's zero indication in your filter thus far that you think DP is suspicious. Well for starters I've been trying to push for a BH lynch all game. But DP still has me as a top scumread despite basically saying that he's 100% sure BH is scum. He earlier accused me of being a scummie that's too attached to my badwagon. You would think he'd back off me a bit since he supposedly believes that the guy I've been bandwagoning is scum. Another reminder that he has been on BH 24/7. Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 23:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:On May 20 2013 23:05 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 22:56 JarJarDrinks wrote:On May 20 2013 22:46 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 22:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
All caught up.
So BH scumslipped? I'm shocked. /end sarcasm
FWIW, I don't it's unreasonable to think that DP is bussing here. He's trying to gain town cred for a lynch that almost happened yesterday. If they thought that BH was most likely gonna get lynched or vigged, it'd be a pretty good scum play IMO.
I'm not saying I definately think it's true, but DP "catching" BH in scumslip when there are already several people suspecting BH doesn't make me think DP is any more likely to be town. Why on earth would you put forward the theory that DP is bussing? There's zero indication in your filter thus far that you think DP is suspicious. Well for starters I've been trying to push for a BH lynch all game. But DP still has me as a top scumread despite basically saying that he's 100% sure BH is scum. He earlier accused me of being a scummie that's too attached to my badwagon. You would think he'd back off me a bit since he supposedly believes that the guy I've been bandwagoning is scum. So if DP is potentially mafia bussing BH, same could be true of you on Day 1, right? Like "gosh darnit, everyone believes the claim, but I still think he's mafia!" Looks good if BH later flips mafia, right? I'm not saying that I should be treated as a confirmed townie or anything. But I think I should get some town cred for being the first person to call him out. Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 23:46 JarJarDrinks wrote:On May 20 2013 23:37 DarthPunk wrote:
[This guy knows BH is scum. There is no doubt. and he is trying to make me look bad or something when BH flips red. I don't give a fuck if it's association before the flip. Lynch this guy after BH. Lol, No that's what ur doing. I've been saying BH is scum ALL F'N GAME. You've been saying he was scum since he almost got lynched. Those speak for themselves. Combine this with what Marv was saying about his attitude: Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 01:15 marvellosity wrote:
Because I'm omnipresent and I have lovely abs.
Thank you for asking me to explain something I said I couldn't explain very well. He's coming across as overly aggressive, it feels like he's working against town rather than with town. Do you understand what I mean by that? Fighting for credit for bus-->not getting it-->aggressive/attitude It reminds me of how Mattchew was caught in 'I Can't Believe it's Not Themed.' He and sciberbia drove for a lynch of a scum talismania, and scum Mattchew wanted to take credit for it when it was very much irrelevant who did what. I mean, we haven't seen a flip yet, but this fits pretty snugly. BH, JJ, one of Dandel/grush for scum....GK for 3p?
Oh shit this reminds me I was supposed to do a JJD read. I'm curious as to whether grubbing for towncred that obviously really is a scumtell. Solstice good insight imo; inc JJD read.
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JJD:
NMM XXXIX - Ok the game I was originally thinking of when talking to Marv was NMM LX. I watched this game too and paid more attention to it than LX; I remember one of the players (scum) with the stupidest fakeclaim ever but it won them the game anyway lol. JJD's role in this game was Medic.
Upon reading this (my meta reads are shit but marv asked) right off the bat I notice he is much less afraid here to engage other people in discussions and most importantly, questions. He is not the most prolific poster around but despite his filter not being absolutely massive is not afraid whatsoever to point out other people's lack of posting/lurking. Just overall a clear and obvious effort in this game from JJD.
I sort of see what marv was originally looking for me to look for...there is a sort of aggression that certainly isn't present in XXXIX but I don't get the same feels that marv is, I guess. What stands out to me here is most of his posts and cases are set up to be almost rhetorical; that is he doesn't often directly address anyone in the thread, he simply posts. It's almost seems like avoiding eye contact when you're guilty. He doesn't often directly question anyone or follow a specific line of questioning very long as opposed to in XXXIX.
/meta
Take the above with a grain of salt because again I am not confident in my meta reads very much. They could go either way and I wouldn't mind if someone else looked into it to see if it has any merit.
As for specifics on JJD this game, I've a;ready point out his useless reads post here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410972¤tpage=94#1863
His overall tunnely play against BH and grubbing for towncred I COULD see as town play, but I don't get then where he starts to suspect DP of bussing. I suppose not everyone sees things the way I do but I HIGHLY doubt in any way DPis anything but town the way he's been playing.
On May 20 2013 22:56 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 22:46 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 22:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
All caught up.
So BH scumslipped? I'm shocked. /end sarcasm
FWIW, I don't it's unreasonable to think that DP is bussing here. He's trying to gain town cred for a lynch that almost happened yesterday. If they thought that BH was most likely gonna get lynched or vigged, it'd be a pretty good scum play IMO.
I'm not saying I definately think it's true, but DP "catching" BH in scumslip when there are already several people suspecting BH doesn't make me think DP is any more likely to be town. Why on earth would you put forward the theory that DP is bussing? There's zero indication in your filter thus far that you think DP is suspicious. Well for starters I've been trying to push for a BH lynch all game. But DP still has me as a top scumread despite basically saying that he's 100% sure BH is scum. He earlier accused me of being a scummie that's too attached to my badwagon. You would think he'd back off me a bit since he supposedly believes that the guy I've been bandwagoning is scum.
Like...this post is almost like a scum pleading at town "But wait guys! I think BH is scum and look at all the scummy things he did! Why do you still think I'm scum? I'm with you guise!!"
On May 21 2013 01:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:OK, Check out how hard DarthPunk was defending Sputnik Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 23:53 DarthPunk wrote:On May 19 2013 23:49 iamperfection wrote:
We can kill sputnik today see if BH pulls his head out of his ass. Sputnik is a bad lynch. He played exactly like this in his last town game. JJD is known to lurk as scum and can be active as town. Better lurker lynch of the two IMO Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 23:58 DarthPunk wrote:On May 19 2013 23:56 iamperfection wrote:On May 19 2013 23:53 DarthPunk wrote:On May 19 2013 23:49 iamperfection wrote:
We can kill sputnik today see if BH pulls his head out of his ass. Sputnik is a bad lynch. He played exactly like this in his last town game. JJD is known to lurk as scum and can be active as town. Better lurker lynch of the two IMO Sputnik claimed in the thread he isn't trying to hunt scum OK. Go read his last game as blue, Read this game, and then realise he has played EXACTLY THIS WAY AS TOWN. I don't get why you are pushing this so hard. Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 00:49 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 00:00 Dandel Ion wrote:On May 19 2013 23:58 DarthPunk wrote:On May 19 2013 23:56 iamperfection wrote:On May 19 2013 23:53 DarthPunk wrote:On May 19 2013 23:49 iamperfection wrote:
We can kill sputnik today see if BH pulls his head out of his ass. Sputnik is a bad lynch. He played exactly like this in his last town game. JJD is known to lurk as scum and can be active as town. Better lurker lynch of the two IMO Sputnik claimed in the thread he isn't trying to hunt scum OK. Go read his last game as blue, Read this game, and then realise he has played EXACTLY THIS WAY AS TOWN. I don't get why you are pushing this so hard. Why would he not play exactly the same as scum too? It's not like it's hard footsteps to follow, eh? On May 19 2013 23:57 iamperfection wrote:
Also you guys use meta way to much OK. Look at it this way. JJD is KNOWN to lurk as scum and not lurk as town. It is more likely that if he is lurking he is scum. Sputnik is KNOWN to lurk as town and ???? as scum. Therefore there is no reason to believe sputnik lurking has anything at all to do with his alignment. Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 01:48 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 01:44 marvellosity wrote:
DP, I really don't like your meta comparison with sputnik. Sure he was inactive and got modkilled, but that's not really what I'm looking at at least.
In the game in the database, he made one, er, "trolly/fun" (? bad description maybe) post but then all of his subsequent posts were on the ball, talking about the game, calmly written. He asked about mayors running, he gave his preference (none :p) on the candidates, he gave his opinion.
In this game he's yapped around in some weird Les Mis character I guess and offered no opinions on anything, other than a silly little list post.
I think the use of meta here to clear his play is completely incorrect. it was purely activity based, and he was vig shot in that game not modkilled. JJD has done nothing also. If JJD does something I am fine with switching. Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 01:52 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 01:49 marvellosity wrote:
You can't meta activity on one previous game, because it doesn't support or deny anything. OK there are two useless players. Player 1 I expect nothing from Player 2 I expect something from Until player 2 meets my expectations I want to lynch him over player 1. So why the F does he end up voting sputnik???? Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 02:13 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 02:10 s0Lstice wrote:
Oy the claim
##unvote
All things considered, I'd be down with a sputnik lynch. I'm a little worried he rolled blue, and that's what his 'VT claim' was, but I have a history of being derpy around blues. Outside of that though there's nothing in his filter that I like and he's useless.
Don't want to lynch GK today, already said why.
Don't think I want to lynch JarJar....he is capable of being a perfectly active little townie from what I'm seeing in the game Marv was talking about. He says during the week he will do better, so I want to wait and see on him.
Need to read up on Dandel, that's what I'm gonna do now. This is a good point actually. Im fine lynching him later if he doesn't drastically improve. ##unvote:
##Vote Sputnik That explains why he'd take his vote off me. But it doesn't explain why he'd vote for the person that he had spent the previous 3 hours telling us was probably town. That was really the person he thought was the best lynch? I don't why people are reading DP as such a townie cause I'm definately not seeing it.
His case here and push on DP is interesting to say the least, but then he goes right back to BH and not a word at all about DP from then on where he magically flips onto me out of absolutely fucking nowhere.
I don't know...there are things in here I COULD see from a town perspective I guess? There are a whole bunch of other scummy things on top of it though and I think the scummy things win out. Especially since he appears to be pretty damn lurky long past his promised 'weekend lurking' time. A few posts a day is not enough.
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On May 22 2013 10:00 s0Lstice wrote:
WoS, did you also look at JJ's scum game?
Narp but I can I suppose. The only reason I looked into the game I did was because marv asked me to; I'm generally not a meta kind of guy.
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Ok yeah this one is Newbie XL, the one I was talking about where all three scum derped and voteswitched with 5 min to go at LYLO.
Already his filter is absolutely tiny in a game that has more pages than the previous one where he was town.
Hmm. Well at a quick glance he seems to be actually directly engaging people in conversation somewhat and asking questions though he never follows a line of questioning at all, just pops in and out and does random shit. Figures my earlier meta basis is likely wrong, though there is something to be said that he doesn't really push anyone at all this game....could be due to lurk, could be due to scum or both.
Either way he seems to be doing more this game than that earlier scum game?
I don't know fuck the meta.
Lol mathematically though at a glance (this is kinda funny, don't know if I'd vote him just based on this but still):
NMM XXXIX - TOWN - Filter is 4 pages, thread is 33 = 12%
NMM LX - SCUM - Filter is 2 pages, thread is 59 = 3%
This game---???? Filter is 2 pages, thread is 99 thus far = 2%
Which fits more?
(Obviously there are other factors like size of the game and how long the game was going for but JJD is well on track to fall FAR below his rate of posting as town)
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On May 22 2013 10:09 s0Lstice wrote:
I looked into his games, from that town game you pointed out I got the same general impressions. the biggest takeaway from his scum game was that he was super tunnely
lol I was looking into the style of his posting rather than looking closely at the content...you are absolutely right. He pushes jkirby for 2/3 of his filter without letting up or even really naming anyone else. You can see similarities in his push on BH here.
+ Show Spoiler +
Marv teach me how to read meta after this game or something.
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On May 22 2013 11:34 goodkarma wrote:If you were to look I discussed in the quote you cited there (literally everything under what you bolded) both that my scumgame would be different and in what way my scumplay would consistently vary from my townplay (strength of reads). It's all right there in my filter...
Hmm alright I don't think I understood what you were saying at the time; you're right. I still don't like that you're analyzing your own scumplay here though, I feel like at best that's a null tell and super WIFOM-y. I also really don't like meta arguments and have a lot of trouble following them.
I think this merits a re-read into you; good timing as well since BH asked me to look at a case on you.
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On May 22 2013 12:57 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 12:49 Stutters695 wrote:
BH can you give me a rundown on what you see in WoS. It doesn't have to be super in depth but when I did a skim of his filter it really didn't seem that bad. Sure! part of it is this post here (link) which to me looks like scum angling to be ABLE to place a vote on a potential wagon, but not willing to actually lay down his cards. Also, his interactions with me today have struck me as quite "off". I'm not sure why he seems so keen on attacking me for ignoring him when I haven't been ignoring him, or trying to make me look bad when there's no realistic way I'm not getting lynched. Being afk from the thread because you're bored is one thing-- showing up in the thread and posting without trying to contribute on anything other than an essentially predetermined lynch is quite another. Admittedly, he has recently interacted at GK. That being said, I don't like that he's pushing at and prodding GK without responding to my requests to look at the case I wrote, either. This all seems very off, very not like someone trying. I get that this isn't the strongest of reads, but his wishywashiness D1 and his play today strike me as scum angling to blend in and look good rather than someone legitimately trying to find things out about the game.
At this point now I'm pretty sure you're scum and trying to piss me off. You are flat-out lying about my contributions in this thread and you say you haven't ignored me yet you didn't respond at all to my shutting down of your earlier post.
Lying BH = scum BH. You want to taunt me to place a vote on a wagon? Fine. Makes more sense than getting Lurker Ion lynched today, not that anyone would listen to me anyway.
##Unvote
##Vote: Blazinghand
When you respond to me and admit your lies in the above post, then we can talk. Until then, I'm continuing my look into GK.
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On May 22 2013 13:38 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 13:30 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 22 2013 12:57 Blazinghand wrote:On May 22 2013 12:49 Stutters695 wrote:
BH can you give me a rundown on what you see in WoS. It doesn't have to be super in depth but when I did a skim of his filter it really didn't seem that bad. Sure! part of it is this post here (link) which to me looks like scum angling to be ABLE to place a vote on a potential wagon, but not willing to actually lay down his cards. Also, his interactions with me today have struck me as quite "off". I'm not sure why he seems so keen on attacking me for ignoring him when I haven't been ignoring him, or trying to make me look bad when there's no realistic way I'm not getting lynched. Being afk from the thread because you're bored is one thing-- showing up in the thread and posting without trying to contribute on anything other than an essentially predetermined lynch is quite another. Admittedly, he has recently interacted at GK. That being said, I don't like that he's pushing at and prodding GK without responding to my requests to look at the case I wrote, either. This all seems very off, very not like someone trying. I get that this isn't the strongest of reads, but his wishywashiness D1 and his play today strike me as scum angling to blend in and look good rather than someone legitimately trying to find things out about the game. At this point now I'm pretty sure you're scum and trying to piss me off. You are flat-out lying about my contributions in this thread and you say you haven't ignored me yet you didn't respond at all to my shutting down of your earlier post. Lying BH = scum BH. You want to taunt me to place a vote on a wagon? Fine. Makes more sense than getting Lurker Ion lynched today, not that anyone would listen to me anyway.##Unvote
##Vote: BlazinghandWhen you respond to me and admit your lies in the above post, then we can talk. Until then, I'm continuing my look into GK. What? What in the hell do you see town in DI, please enlighten me.
What? When did I call DI town? He's been a scumread of mine for ages but he's lurking so fucking hard I can't get anything out of him. Would you prefer I leave my vote on him until deadline?
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On May 22 2013 13:44 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 13:42 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 22 2013 13:38 Stutters695 wrote:On May 22 2013 13:30 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 22 2013 12:57 Blazinghand wrote:On May 22 2013 12:49 Stutters695 wrote:
BH can you give me a rundown on what you see in WoS. It doesn't have to be super in depth but when I did a skim of his filter it really didn't seem that bad. Sure! part of it is this post here (link) which to me looks like scum angling to be ABLE to place a vote on a potential wagon, but not willing to actually lay down his cards. Also, his interactions with me today have struck me as quite "off". I'm not sure why he seems so keen on attacking me for ignoring him when I haven't been ignoring him, or trying to make me look bad when there's no realistic way I'm not getting lynched. Being afk from the thread because you're bored is one thing-- showing up in the thread and posting without trying to contribute on anything other than an essentially predetermined lynch is quite another. Admittedly, he has recently interacted at GK. That being said, I don't like that he's pushing at and prodding GK without responding to my requests to look at the case I wrote, either. This all seems very off, very not like someone trying. I get that this isn't the strongest of reads, but his wishywashiness D1 and his play today strike me as scum angling to blend in and look good rather than someone legitimately trying to find things out about the game. At this point now I'm pretty sure you're scum and trying to piss me off. You are flat-out lying about my contributions in this thread and you say you haven't ignored me yet you didn't respond at all to my shutting down of your earlier post. Lying BH = scum BH. You want to taunt me to place a vote on a wagon? Fine. Makes more sense than getting Lurker Ion lynched today, not that anyone would listen to me anyway.##Unvote
##Vote: BlazinghandWhen you respond to me and admit your lies in the above post, then we can talk. Until then, I'm continuing my look into GK. What? What in the hell do you see town in DI, please enlighten me. What? When did I call DI town? He's been a scumread of mine for ages but he's lurking so fucking hard I can't get anything out of him. Would you prefer I leave my vote on him until deadline? I want to understand why axing a contributing person who will inevitably give himself away if left alive is better than lynching someone who you think is scum and isn't doing shit.
I also thought sputnik was scum and wasn't doing shit and look where that got us. Not that I was the person who convinced people to vote for him in the end. There is the possibility I am wrong about scum Dandel, but either way I am not going to be the person to get people to vote for him; I never am. People don't listen to me. Ever.
Specifically due to BH's recent posting towards me I believe he is scum more so now than before. If he was really town I would expect him to attempt to actually enter into discourse with me rather than antagonize me and ignore my posts. If he decides to swallow his pride and admits to lying before I have to spell it out for him tomorrow then him and I can have a chat, but not until then. I refuse to shit up the thread angrily trying to prove to scum that he is scum.
As for my read on GK I will admit I am fucking lost. It reminds me of trying to read Hopeless1nder in LXI (which I was ultimately wrong about), who did such ridiculously scummy things but then wound up town.
Why would you withhold information from town at this point in the game?
Why the FUCK would you not read your role PM?
The meta cases (including BH's) make sense, what I can make of them anyway, + Show Spoiler +(though specifically BH admitting to using a case like this AS SCUM to show how GK is town just in his own example just makes me want to trust him even less. SO fucking WIFOM-y)
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On May 22 2013 14:32 Blazinghand wrote:
WoS if you think I'm scum, you think I'm scum. That's fine. 2 people think I'm not scum, which means there are still like 8 votes on me-- I'm getting lynched. My read on you is legitimate, and if you think the reason I won't back down on it is my "pride" as opposed to some other thing like being scum, then I'm not sure that's legit. Look, I'm dead today anyways. you can't scare me by threatening to lynch me or vote me.
You can threaten to not interact with me and not discuss my reads to me, and that bothers me, but it won't change my mind about you and it won't make me lie and say I don't think you're scum. I'm not even sure you're scum. You're not my top read, not by a long shot-- and unlike a lot of players you are here trying to discuss this.
If you want, we can not discuss my scumread of you. I'm okay with that. Or we can ignore each other and do our own distinct bests to contribute. I'm also okay with that. I'm not trying to enrage you. I have nothing to lose, I'm dead today-- I'm just doing my best to say "even though I got mislynched, I secured a win for my team"
Death is not the end.
See, you're not even reading my intentions properly.
The reason I think you're scum is because you're deliberately lying.
Fuck not shitting up the thread, I'll show you right now.
In this post alone you do it. I'm not asking you to back down on your scumread of me, but you think I am. I'm asking you to admit your lies that brought you to the scumread. I'm not asking you to say I'm not scum at all.
You say "if you want, we can not discuss my scumread of you," trying to paint me fucking scummy like I'm trying to avoid you, WHEN I FUCKING ASKED YOU MULTIPLE TIMES ABOUT YOUR READ OF ME
On May 22 2013 08:43 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 08:33 Blazinghand wrote:On May 22 2013 08:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh I see, misunderstanding. I meant do you have scumreads outside of JJD/dandel/GK? 1) 3 scumreads is clearly enough 2) I no longer have a scumread on JJD, if you've been reading my interaction with stutters this page 3) not really a solid scumread on DI, though this is suject to change 4) you 1) Why is that enough? Who are your three? 2) I have been 3) ok 4) elaborate please
On May 22 2013 09:05 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 08:46 Stutters695 wrote:
His three would be GK, you, DI in order of scumminess based off of our talks. Alright I was about to ask where the hell he mentioned me but it appears he posted while I was writing something and I missed it. I'm curious as to why 3 scumreads is enough. I'd also still like him to elaborate on me because that's a hell of a lot less detail he goes into than he did regarding GK. Show nested quote +I'm modestly sure WoS is scum. He had an extremely flip-floppy post earlier in the game (link). I had him as one of my top scumreads over the course of D1, and it seems like he's fishing for reasons to attack me (like, what? I'm clearly getting lynched today) and not really reading what I have to write today. I'm not as positive on this as I am on my GK scumread though. A days-old read is not enough imo, especially since he says I was one of his top scumreads and he did absolutely nothing about it. I'm fishing for reasons to attack him as well he says, when in fact I'm trying to cover all avenues and possibilities because as I've said multiple times, I'M NOT sure BH is 100% scum. BH you say I don't read what you've wrote but have you read at all what I've written about you? This is a completely baseless attack on me and reeks of absolutely no effort. Why do I not deserve the effort you seem to have started putting into the game recently?
You STILL have not responded to this.
Now would you like me to point out the points in your discussion of the case with other people where you are lying about me, or would you like to do that yourself?
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I SO want to be done with you right now, you patronizing &%#*&*#@.
Nobody fucking baits me into this shit better than you, BH. I guess you should be proud?
Now first of all:
On May 22 2013 12:57 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 12:49 Stutters695 wrote:
BH can you give me a rundown on what you see in WoS. It doesn't have to be super in depth but when I did a skim of his filter it really didn't seem that bad. Sure! part of it is this post here (link) which to me looks like scum angling to be ABLE to place a vote on a potential wagon, but not willing to actually lay down his cards. Also, his interactions with me today have struck me as quite "off". I'm not sure why he seems so keen on attacking me for ignoring him when I haven't been ignoring him, or trying to make me look bad when there's no realistic way I'm not getting lynched. Being afk from the thread because you're bored is one thing-- showing up in the thread and posting without trying to contribute on anything other than an essentially predetermined lynch is quite another. Admittedly, he has recently interacted at GK. That being said, I don't like that he's pushing at and prodding GK without responding to my requests to look at the case I wrote, either. This all seems very off, very not like someone trying. I get that this isn't the strongest of reads, but his wishywashiness D1 and his play today strike me as scum angling to blend in and look good rather than someone legitimately trying to find things out about the game.
This horseshit post.
How dare you say I'm not fucking contributing.
On May 22 2013 09:05 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 08:46 Stutters695 wrote:
His three would be GK, you, DI in order of scumminess based off of our talks. Alright I was about to ask where the hell he mentioned me but it appears he posted while I was writing something and I missed it. I'm curious as to why 3 scumreads is enough. I'd also still like him to elaborate on me because that's a hell of a lot less detail he goes into than he did regarding GK. Show nested quote +I'm modestly sure WoS is scum. He had an extremely flip-floppy post earlier in the game (link). I had him as one of my top scumreads over the course of D1, and it seems like he's fishing for reasons to attack me (like, what? I'm clearly getting lynched today) and not really reading what I have to write today. I'm not as positive on this as I am on my GK scumread though. A days-old read is not enough imo, especially since he says I was one of his top scumreads and he did absolutely nothing about it. I'm fishing for reasons to attack him as well he says, when in fact I'm trying to cover all avenues and possibilities because as I've said multiple times, I'M NOT sure BH is 100% scum. BH you say I don't read what you've wrote but have you read at all what I've written about you? This is a completely baseless attack on me and reeks of absolutely no effort. Why do I not deserve the effort you seem to have started putting into the game recently?
On May 22 2013 09:53 WaveofShadow wrote:JJD: NMM XXXIX - Ok the game I was originally thinking of when talking to Marv was NMM LX. I watched this game too and paid more attention to it than LX; I remember one of the players (scum) with the stupidest fakeclaim ever but it won them the game anyway lol. JJD's role in this game was Medic. Upon reading this (my meta reads are shit but marv asked) right off the bat I notice he is much less afraid here to engage other people in discussions and most importantly, questions. He is not the most prolific poster around but despite his filter not being absolutely massive is not afraid whatsoever to point out other people's lack of posting/lurking. Just overall a clear and obvious effort in this game from JJD. I sort of see what marv was originally looking for me to look for...there is a sort of aggression that certainly isn't present in XXXIX but I don't get the same feels that marv is, I guess. What stands out to me here is most of his posts and cases are set up to be almost rhetorical; that is he doesn't often directly address anyone in the thread, he simply posts. It's almost seems like avoiding eye contact when you're guilty. He doesn't often directly question anyone or follow a specific line of questioning very long as opposed to in XXXIX. /meta Take the above with a grain of salt because again I am not confident in my meta reads very much. They could go either way and I wouldn't mind if someone else looked into it to see if it has any merit. As for specifics on JJD this game, I've a;ready point out his useless reads post here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410972¤tpage=94#1863His overall tunnely play against BH and grubbing for towncred I COULD see as town play, but I don't get then where he starts to suspect DP of bussing. I suppose not everyone sees things the way I do but I HIGHLY doubt in any way DPis anything but town the way he's been playing. Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 22:56 JarJarDrinks wrote:On May 20 2013 22:46 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 22:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
All caught up.
So BH scumslipped? I'm shocked. /end sarcasm
FWIW, I don't it's unreasonable to think that DP is bussing here. He's trying to gain town cred for a lynch that almost happened yesterday. If they thought that BH was most likely gonna get lynched or vigged, it'd be a pretty good scum play IMO.
I'm not saying I definately think it's true, but DP "catching" BH in scumslip when there are already several people suspecting BH doesn't make me think DP is any more likely to be town. Why on earth would you put forward the theory that DP is bussing? There's zero indication in your filter thus far that you think DP is suspicious. Well for starters I've been trying to push for a BH lynch all game. But DP still has me as a top scumread despite basically saying that he's 100% sure BH is scum. He earlier accused me of being a scummie that's too attached to my badwagon. You would think he'd back off me a bit since he supposedly believes that the guy I've been bandwagoning is scum. Like...this post is almost like a scum pleading at town "But wait guys! I think BH is scum and look at all the scummy things he did! Why do you still think I'm scum? I'm with you guise!!" Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 01:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:OK, Check out how hard DarthPunk was defending Sputnik On May 19 2013 23:53 DarthPunk wrote:On May 19 2013 23:49 iamperfection wrote:
We can kill sputnik today see if BH pulls his head out of his ass. Sputnik is a bad lynch. He played exactly like this in his last town game. JJD is known to lurk as scum and can be active as town. Better lurker lynch of the two IMO On May 19 2013 23:58 DarthPunk wrote:On May 19 2013 23:56 iamperfection wrote:On May 19 2013 23:53 DarthPunk wrote:On May 19 2013 23:49 iamperfection wrote:
We can kill sputnik today see if BH pulls his head out of his ass. Sputnik is a bad lynch. He played exactly like this in his last town game. JJD is known to lurk as scum and can be active as town. Better lurker lynch of the two IMO Sputnik claimed in the thread he isn't trying to hunt scum OK. Go read his last game as blue, Read this game, and then realise he has played EXACTLY THIS WAY AS TOWN. I don't get why you are pushing this so hard. On May 20 2013 00:49 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 00:00 Dandel Ion wrote:On May 19 2013 23:58 DarthPunk wrote:On May 19 2013 23:56 iamperfection wrote:On May 19 2013 23:53 DarthPunk wrote:On May 19 2013 23:49 iamperfection wrote:
We can kill sputnik today see if BH pulls his head out of his ass. Sputnik is a bad lynch. He played exactly like this in his last town game. JJD is known to lurk as scum and can be active as town. Better lurker lynch of the two IMO Sputnik claimed in the thread he isn't trying to hunt scum OK. Go read his last game as blue, Read this game, and then realise he has played EXACTLY THIS WAY AS TOWN. I don't get why you are pushing this so hard. Why would he not play exactly the same as scum too? It's not like it's hard footsteps to follow, eh? On May 19 2013 23:57 iamperfection wrote:
Also you guys use meta way to much OK. Look at it this way. JJD is KNOWN to lurk as scum and not lurk as town. It is more likely that if he is lurking he is scum. Sputnik is KNOWN to lurk as town and ???? as scum. Therefore there is no reason to believe sputnik lurking has anything at all to do with his alignment. On May 20 2013 01:48 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 01:44 marvellosity wrote:
DP, I really don't like your meta comparison with sputnik. Sure he was inactive and got modkilled, but that's not really what I'm looking at at least.
In the game in the database, he made one, er, "trolly/fun" (? bad description maybe) post but then all of his subsequent posts were on the ball, talking about the game, calmly written. He asked about mayors running, he gave his preference (none :p) on the candidates, he gave his opinion.
In this game he's yapped around in some weird Les Mis character I guess and offered no opinions on anything, other than a silly little list post.
I think the use of meta here to clear his play is completely incorrect. it was purely activity based, and he was vig shot in that game not modkilled. JJD has done nothing also. If JJD does something I am fine with switching. On May 20 2013 01:52 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 01:49 marvellosity wrote:
You can't meta activity on one previous game, because it doesn't support or deny anything. OK there are two useless players. Player 1 I expect nothing from Player 2 I expect something from Until player 2 meets my expectations I want to lynch him over player 1. So why the F does he end up voting sputnik???? On May 20 2013 02:13 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 02:10 s0Lstice wrote:
Oy the claim
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All things considered, I'd be down with a sputnik lynch. I'm a little worried he rolled blue, and that's what his 'VT claim' was, but I have a history of being derpy around blues. Outside of that though there's nothing in his filter that I like and he's useless.
Don't want to lynch GK today, already said why.
Don't think I want to lynch JarJar....he is capable of being a perfectly active little townie from what I'm seeing in the game Marv was talking about. He says during the week he will do better, so I want to wait and see on him.
Need to read up on Dandel, that's what I'm gonna do now. This is a good point actually. Im fine lynching him later if he doesn't drastically improve. ##unvote:
##Vote Sputnik That explains why he'd take his vote off me. But it doesn't explain why he'd vote for the person that he had spent the previous 3 hours telling us was probably town. That was really the person he thought was the best lynch? I don't why people are reading DP as such a townie cause I'm definately not seeing it. His case here and push on DP is interesting to say the least, but then he goes right back to BH and not a word at all about DP from then on where he magically flips onto me out of absolutely fucking nowhere. I don't know...there are things in here I COULD see from a town perspective I guess? There are a whole bunch of other scummy things on top of it though and I think the scummy things win out. Especially since he appears to be pretty damn lurky long past his promised 'weekend lurking' time. A few posts a day is not enough.
On May 22 2013 10:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Ok yeah this one is Newbie XL, the one I was talking about where all three scum derped and voteswitched with 5 min to go at LYLO. Already his filter is absolutely tiny in a game that has more pages than the previous one where he was town. Hmm. Well at a quick glance he seems to be actually directly engaging people in conversation somewhat and asking questions though he never follows a line of questioning at all, just pops in and out and does random shit. Figures my earlier meta basis is likely wrong, though there is something to be said that he doesn't really push anyone at all this game....could be due to lurk, could be due to scum or both. Either way he seems to be doing more this game than that earlier scum game? I don't know fuck the meta. Lol mathematically though at a glance (this is kinda funny, don't know if I'd vote him just based on this but still): NMM XXXIX - TOWN - Filter is 4 pages, thread is 33 = 12% NMM LX - SCUM - Filter is 2 pages, thread is 59 = 3% This game---???? Filter is 2 pages, thread is 99 thus far = 2% Which fits more? (Obviously there are other factors like size of the game and how long the game was going for but JJD is well on track to fall FAR below his rate of posting as town)
That's one. Do you want more? I have plenty.
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