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DarthPunk
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DarthPunk
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
In any case, I'll get together a neat little list post in case I'm mislynched today. I've read my PM now, and it says I'm town. | ||
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DarthPunk
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DarthPunk
Australia10855 Posts
On May 19 2013 16:45 goodkarma wrote: In my last two games with a role like what BH claimed, the role was mafia aligned. I don't see how him using the power he's claimed proves he's town. In any case, I'll get together a neat little list post in case I'm mislynched today. I've read my PM now, and it says I'm town. Don't often see mafia masons in mini's but you are right. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10855 Posts
If he continues to be useless and has unproductive mason logs then we lynch the shit out of him later. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
On May 18 2013 08:46 Dandel Ion wrote: If you just want to make him look like a good lynch, look at MtG, that was his towniest game I've seen so far. If you want to actually look at meta, look at other games too. So, "literally always" is technically incorrect, but so far I've seen nothing in this game stutters hasn't done before. I don't really see the point in comparing meta when he hasn't been scum so far, I tend to get burned on meta arguments that say "he's not doing shit he does as town". I mean, that ain't stopping me, but still. JJD looks like a decent lynch. I'd sheep that. On May 18 2013 09:55 Dandel Ion wrote: fuck marv is probably actually town sad day iamp totally confirmed town because vayne was all the rage a few pages back, but he seems to actually believe in what he says (this is consistent with a dude that builds bt and qss as a core, lol), so I dunno, I feel like he would care more about how he looks and adapt (to tl) as scum I have like nothing to base this on, but I mean, the dude called somebody else a newbie when he just finished playing in an actual newbie game days ago. I find not giving a fuck generally a townie thing to do. I'm fine with waiting for whatever nightaction information the dude thinks he needs to actually play the game for now. ( I still have no idea what he's doing though ) I really like how blazing reacted to vayne, and I pretty much agree with this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410972¤tpage=17#330 Although I am hesitant about the shooting part, but I can't and won't tell you why! Best reasoning NA. I'm mainly interested in lynching jjd and gk atm. What has been said about jdd has been said, and he hasn't said anything. GK because his case on stutters (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410972¤tpage=16#320) is based on a serious misrepresentation of stutters' post, trying to point out a inconsistency in stutters posting that was not actually one. (stutters pointed out he's never been scum, gk somehow turned that into an inconsistency regarding meta) I don't think stutters responded yet and I usually prefer people doing that before i butt in, but I am a realist and it's stutters, so nope. In total, it just looks way too much like an "easy" case scum loves to do on an inactive/bad (or both!) townie and it gives me the jeebers. Rest is variying shades of null + Show Spoiler + although I'd like to jot down that if gk is mafia, then solstice is town. Just so I remember this if (/when? :O ) gk flips. Feel free to ignore cuz associations, nobody yet flipped, etcetc~ aaaaand that should be about it. Okay, going to sleep. Toodles. On May 18 2013 21:58 Dandel Ion wrote: My point exactly. I could get behind a Wave lynch. I would have expected him to do something townie by now. It's worth noting that Dandel is not breaking any new ground here. Most of his reads, especially the scum ones, seem in line with thread sentiment. It's also worth noting that he really fails to explain his suspicion of WoS or JJD beyond one or two sentences. His suspicion of GK is the most fleshed out, but while he seems to like that lynch, I think he is more preoccupied with following the lynches led by town than actually finding mafia on his own. I know town Dandel to be particularly headstrong, and I do not feel that sheeping is a common tactic in his scum hunting repertoire. Aside from these posts, most of his filter could be entirely ignored. I really feel like he isn't involved in the game, and his effort put forth in finding scum is exceptionally pathetic. It makes me wonder why Cora, a person who was one of the last to sign up and one who seemed interested, replaced out. Did Cora not want to play mafia, perhaps? If we're not lynching BH, I'd like to lynch Dandel. It's late in the day for a case but I no longer feel like anyone else we've discussed is a particularly appealing lynch unless we default to lynching a lurker in sputnik. GK is so much on the fence for me, and we're obviously not lynching a mason-BH on day 1, plus WoS seems particularly townish on a reread. If you disagree, offer up a consolidated case on someone else. I'm going to sleep and I won't have time before the deadline tomorrow to do any more in depth reading, so make it easy for me. Until further notice, I am voting Dandel. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On May 18 2013 07:15 VayneAuthority wrote: Also I dont want to lynch him because I hate lynching day one, accidentally bringing out a PR role is literally such a bad start that it can be almost impossible to recover from if its a strong role. Also take into account simple probability, whats the chances of us finding scum based on no real evidence? 25%. I would never take those chances would you? One thing I thought of just a moment ago: How does Vayne know the ration of town:scum? We are not told in the OP. Scumslip? | ||
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yamato77
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Seriously, now I'm out. | ||
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marvellosity
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marvellosity
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Dandel Ion
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marvellosity
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On May 19 2013 18:31 yamato77 wrote: Looking at Dandel, and most of his filter is useless shit. you just don't understand my genius. On May 19 2013 18:31 yamato77 wrote: It's worth noting that Dandel is not breaking any new ground here. Most of his reads, especially the scum ones, seem in line with thread sentiment. It's also worth noting that he really fails to explain his suspicion of WoS or JJD beyond one or two sentences. half true, although I gotta add that I was like OG gk scumcaller and thread sentiment fell in line with me in regard to him. so not really. wos i wasn't super suspicious of (just lack of towniness) and jjd, there's not been more to say. On May 19 2013 18:31 yamato77 wrote: His suspicion of GK is the most fleshed out, but while he seems to like that lynch, I think he is more preoccupied with following the lynches led by town than actually finding mafia on his own. I know town Dandel to be particularly headstrong, and I do not feel that sheeping is a common tactic in his scum hunting repertoire. These sentences are mutually exclusive. If you really think that, you don't know me. On May 19 2013 18:31 yamato77 wrote: It makes me wonder why Cora, a person who was one of the last to sign up and one who seemed interested, replaced out. Did Cora not want to play mafia, perhaps? lol ok | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On May 19 2013 20:07 marvellosity wrote: Hi Dandel. You all caught up? no that comes now, just saw yam's post | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
Stutters: I know this guy is capable as town of meaningful analysis when he's actually around. Sadly though, that isn't the case here. He's content to afk for the most part... I’d say very slight town only because he seems to have a similar kind of rhetoric and demeanor to what I remember when I played with him in his newbie game. But I would definitely pressure him to get more out of him. Iamperfection: I'm pretty confident this guy's town right now. Grush: This guy's a troll. And a source of frustration for me. I'd say based on his behavior he's scum, but for now I will take a blind leap of faith for the starsenses (given that he's allegedly never ever broken from this). If he could provide any kind of helpful insight at all into his thoughts on this game I would feel far better about this... Blazinghand: This guy is not the aggressive dude I'm familiar with as scum or town. I get he's playing three games, but how is it that the only people he can get behind are a popular bandwagon (Vayne and later me) or complete lurkers (JarJar)? And then just troll… If it gets to some kind of LYLO situation and the expected number of blues are already accounted for I’d take his blueclaim to be a scum fakeclaim. WaveofShadow: I feel less good about lynching him right now. Looking through his filter, I see that he has an active involvement in the game. I'm not a fan of his playstyle, and the certainty of his statements about Grush and Sputnik were definitely scummy, but the way his reads evolve and the way he seems to actually care about what's going on in the thread indicates to me he's town (slight townread). JarJarDrinks: I’ve already discussed this guy. He is a scumread for me atm. Yamato: Townread. Solstice: In general what stands out to me about him is that he really doesn’t seem to stick his neck out too much. He’s spent a fair deal of time ambivalently thinking I’m scum off and on. In general, I’d say I really don’t like the exchanges we’ve had. Especially some of the stuff with JarJar felt like he was less interested in looking at what I was saying and more interested in finding ammunition to launch a case. He’s a slight scumread, mostly by process of elimination. Vayne: He seems to be cooperative with thread in actually moving away from his ridiculous no lynch idea and forming his own opinions. While he’s not a fountain of transparency, he’s played similarly to how he played his prior newbie game. Very slight townread. Sputnik: Afk lurker. Tbh I’m expecting him to get modkilled. If he isn’t modkilled, he’ll get vigi’ed. I’m going to say that his limited shitty play to date is not alignment indicative (he’s shown he can play like this as town in past games). So let’s say for now there’s a 75% chance the dude’s town (assuming 4 scum). Marv: Shows an interest in solving the game that I believe is consistent with town alignment. I must confess though I am not very familiar with his scumgame. Spicydinosaur: What stands out most to me about spicy is that he has had a bit to say but he's had literally ZERO scumreads most of the game. He's pretty wishy-washy in general. One post that demonstrated this well he literally started (in discussing Solstice) by saying “I think this guy is very scummy.” And ends the post saying “I don’t think he’s scum.” Further, in his vote post he somehow manages to mix up the name of who he’s voting for. For sure this could be an honest mistake, but it definitely doesn’t demonstrate he’s very invested in the game. When you think someone’s scum, it’s generally burning in your mind as you’re writing up your post. That he could just mix things up, say “oops sorry” to the thread, and then get away with it is disturbing to me. This is the kind of guy you shouldn't let fly under the radar. In the newbie game that just finished that I observed, he had opinions on other players he thought were scummy. That just isn’t the case here. He’s like “this guy looks kinda bad,” or “this guy is a shitty townie,” but when it comes to who’s actually scum he kinda doesn’t have much to say until his botched up vote post. Dandel: Seems very focused on getting me lynched. In general I haven’t found his discussions very insightful. A troll he may be, but honestly I don't feel very confident he's town atm. I agree with Yamato that this guy is a good lynch candidate. Darth: Seems to have an active interest in solving this game. I'd say he's town. Rayne: A disruptive troll that obviously hasn't been reading the thread and obviously doesn't have very much useful to say. Idk if scum would play this poorly. However, as best I can tell it’s not something this guy normally does as town… I’d say he might be trying a different scumgame than what he’s tried in the past. I just don’t feel comfortable giving people who do this shit a free pass. If Sputnik’s modkilled I’d vigi him for sure. In summary: ObvTown: GK Probably Town: Iamp, Yamato, Darth, Marv People I’m assuming are town for now: Blazinghand, Grush Slight Townreads: Wave, Vayne, Stutters Afk/modkill territory: Sputnik Scumlist: Spicy, JarJar, Dandel, Solstice, Rayne (I’d lynch in that order) | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
Also, regarding Spicy, how do you take into account the reads that iamp and I made on him? have you factored this in? | ||
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(DontFear)ThePoster
Guernsey584 Posts
iamperfection (1): Blazinghand (3): marvellosity (0): sputnik.theory (1): VayneAuthority (1): Stutters695 (0): Dandel Ion (1): JarJarDrinks (2): grush57 (0): goodkarma (5): WaveofShadow (0): s0Lstice (0): Not Voting (2): sputnik.theory, DarthPunk goodkarma is set to be lynched. Deadline is in ~9.5 hours. Reminder: Voting is mandatory. - scib | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
##Unvote ##Vote: SpicyDinosaur I will change my vote to one of the people on my scumlist for consolidation if the need arises tomorrow. However, I hope you take a good look at my case as I believe Spicy's more likely to flip scum than the other candidates being considered (JarJar, Dandel). Good night. | ||
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goodkarma
United States1067 Posts
On May 19 2013 20:21 marvellosity wrote: goodkarma: I don't believe you answered me about my prodding about what you wrote about reyn's meta, would you mind doing so? Also, regarding Spicy, how do you take into account the reads that iamp and I made on him? have you factored this in? Would really like to sleep but quickly: Reyn may have a very small sample size of scum games, and yes that makes the meta analysis I made of him weaker. But I did my best with what I could find, like I do when analyzing all the players here. As for spicy, he only discussed Solstice when you prodded him to. I disagree that he had that response worked on / mostly onhand as you seem to have speculated. I think he just made it up on the spot. And that his reponse was the wishy-washy kind you'd see from scum. I'd encourage you to look at this game, and then look at his last newbie game. He has opinions this game for sure, but his scumhunting has been pretty nonexistent. In said newbie game, he had suspects and keeped evolving opinions. Anyway, I'm going to bed for real this time. Good night. | ||
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