On Deconduo, I'm back to my initial town read. I realized I did recognize his name, and then I realized where from. We both played in Boardwalk PYP, where he was town, selected janitor, and used it on the first night. I read him as town until Marv pointed out how mafia favoured his first plan was, now I realize he's the same guy who played the single most mafia favoured town game I have ever seen.

If I'm still alive on the next cycle, I'll look into him again, but for now I think he's town.

Sentinel seems pretty townie now that Vivax has flipped red. There's still a chance they were going for some distancing early, but the way he broke off their conversation is just as likely to come from a townie as scum. His references to Vivax afterwards make me think he's town though. He just puts both their names back into the light of the thread too much for them to be scum together.

Sharrant

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May 17 2013 15:17 GMT

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And no, Zepphird, the whole point is that "I wanted to move there" is not ambiguous. He states that he desired to move to that location. I had not though about a blue role that could have known their position to start, but I don't particularly see that. If he wanted to move to "there" he had to know where he was to begin with. The only way I see that being true is if he is an Angel.

Sharrant

Canada543 Posts

May 17 2013 15:28 GMT

#628

On May 18 2013 00:19 Zephirdd wrote:

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Why do you think it's not possible that he is a blue? Do you think his play in day 1 was scummy enough that he can't possibly be town? Why is that?

I don't see it being a blue role for the following reason: The chances of any random player moving in the optimal direction on day 1 were 70:30 in favour of moving correctly. A blue role with the defining trait that they know their starting point is essentially just the power of having a better first move than 30% of the town members. That's such a weak role unless it was given something else, that I just don't particularly see it being likely.

I don't think his day one play was particularly telling towards either alignment, to be honest. It does feel a bit different from his play on day one of the last game we played in, where he was mislynched, but I could not definitively say whether that makes him more or less scummy this game.

Sharrant

Canada543 Posts

May 17 2013 15:29 GMT

#629

On May 18 2013 00:21 Zephirdd wrote:
Also sharrant what is your MS

if you are town, move up 4 tiles this day

Why do you think I can move 4 tiles? This makes literally no sense.

Sharrant

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May 17 2013 15:46 GMT

#633

Ah, okay, I understand now. I didn't realize you were the one without a flashlight. That makes more sense now.

I'm going to head up to you, and from there I think we should try and get into a larger group. Were you informed of what happened to your flashlight?

Sharrant

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May 17 2013 16:11 GMT

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On May 18 2013 01:00 Zephirdd wrote:

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No information.

And nobody claimed to have seen anything so far.

Okay. I hope you can figure out the move I want you to make, I'm not comfortable saying it in the thread right now.

One thing that should be noted: I don't believe there was an angel near whichever body was Marv's. They do control at least one factional KP, so it seems likely to me that they do not have to be near someone to cause them to die by "having their neck snapped".

Sharrant

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May 18 2013 04:07 GMT

#662

On May 18 2013 11:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
DISAPPEARING OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH.

Friday nights man, busy stuff.

Guys i dont think Sharrant is a good lynch, cause marv said so and sheeping dead confirmed townies is awesome.
Also cause he has shown effort is his posting and its reads like he believes in this shit and is not lying.
Now who is scum?

Deconduo.
What marv said which was,
Hit and run case on Ghost.
Mafia favored plan.

What else that solidified my read on him was

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Look at the attutide here in this post, its an attitude of survival rather than lynching scum. He doesnt say its for consolidation, he says its 'better him than me'. Also his stance for Vivax 30 minutes before the vote is 'not d1 lynch'.
What changed in those 30 minutes deconduo?.
Keep in mind that Vivax flipped scum. Looks like an opportunistic vote to not stand out.

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The case was not 50% meta, it was behavior with a splash of meta thrown in.
His defence to the bad plan was, I didnt think it through. Why would you just spout out a plan without thinking about it? Its more than likely that people will just ignore it and what discussion do you get out of that? No, it was activity for the sake of activity.

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Deconduo is thinking here, WOOHOO SCUMSLIP. YES. NO NEED TO 'FIND' A LYNCH. YEAH!!!.
Then he disappears and comes back with

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Dec is not taking into account other possibilities, he is tunneling me cause he cant find anyone else and 'scumslips' make it easy for scum to latch onto.

Gotta go for now, be back in like an hour+

Oats, I like this post from you, but I'd just like you to give me a quick (one paragraph at most and no more than that) explanation of your movement claim. I don't have much time tonight or tomorrow before the deadline, but if you can explain it in a manner that makes sense to me, I'll reconsider. I do like your points on Deconduo, I'm interested in your thoughts on anyone you think is important right now. If I don't think your explanation matches up to what happened, I at least want as much information from you as I can get.

Sharrant

Canada543 Posts

May 18 2013 12:34 GMT

#672

@BlazingHand
I could still go for a Deconduo lynch at this point, but there's a few things in your post I think need to be addressed.

I did not at any point vote Vivax. I was not someone who switched from Deconduo to Vivax, I was away from the thread during the vote swap. Does that change how willing you are to sheep Marv on me?

The point about Oats that is important is NOT that he claims to have used cardinal directions to move. While that is indicative of a potential slip, it does also include the possibility of a townie sending the wrong PM in and the hosts being lenient. The important point is that he said he moved to where he wanted to be. How can someone, without knowing who they are on the board, already pick out where they want to move?

"I wanted to move here."

That's the point that reads as a scum slip, and why I would like him to explain it. Not only does it show extra information not obtainable by town at that point, but it showsa scum mindset: Town are attempting to pick a movement pattern that will discern themselves from everyone else, with a secondary objective of hopefully getting lucky and wandering into a better board position. The Angels are attempting to move themselves around the board in the manner most optimal for feeding, whilst moving their puppets to disguise themselves. This means the difference between town and puppet movement is that one is essentially random, and other is not. I have not had the time to do so, but later today I intend to look at all of the player movements carefully. Scum most likely looked at what was optimal for their puppet to move, and did that or something close. So movement that was in the range of the best possible few moves for a piece should be examined.

TL;DR: It's not a slip because the host executed a misphrased PM. It's a slip because a townie's response would be "Those were the moves I intended to make" because that's all we have to go on. A mafia would slip up and say "I intended to move there" because he already has knowledge of where his move would take him on the board.

Sharrant

Canada543 Posts

May 18 2013 12:37 GMT

#673

On May 18 2013 21:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Deconduo defended himself by saying. OMGUS. Which it wasnt.
##Vote: Deconduo

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What I sent was 3 up and look up.
The reason why I said 'I wanted to move here' was that I figured that there was probably angels or statues in the area between HB6 and AAU25. So moving up and looking up would be the most efficient way I felt. Then with no one else claiming B, and B is matching my movement, and I think everything else was claimed already right? So I was in the right place that my actions indicated.

I'll give this some thought. There's a part of me saying to lynch Deconduo, and if he flips scum, that you're off the hook, but if he flips town to come back and lynch you.

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