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or /in if theres still room
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nice. hoping this turns out better than the recent string of disaster games.
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Suppose ill come in and say that I am following the thread even though I am not posting yet, waiting for the night killings to analyze
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On May 13 2013 10:49 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 10:43 chaoser wrote:On May 13 2013 10:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 13 2013 09:50 Blazinghand wrote:On May 13 2013 08:58 WaveofShadow wrote:Anyone who doesn't post a gif is scum imo. ![[image loading]](http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs4/2225790_o.gif) oh WoS stop being so helpful you are drowning me in helpfulness omg stop plz I can try, but no promises. Tell, me was Fat Tony playing the worlds smallest scum violin for you? Chaoser did you used to play with RebirthofLegend? What are your views regarding how mafia 'should' be played by a town? I don't understand the question and how it pertains to the game currently but I'll try to answer anyway. Townies should play unafraid and by putting pressure on people and open, I don't really care for the "trolling, get a reaction, way" but I'm sure I've done it a few times in the past before. I feel like I've always played the best when I was playing to figure stuff out and not be afraid of a lynch. yes I use to play with RoL, how's he doing these days? is he still playing? I was just curious. I saw it was mentioned that you haven't played in a little while or you used to ages ago and you seem to share the same anti-spam sentiment that RoL has who also played a long time ago. I've only played one game with him and he seemed to be a pretty angry guy. Mostly towards BH. For spamming.
Most people see spam as anti-town so if you flip town after spamming a lot I could see how it could irritate people.
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On May 13 2013 11:55 kitaman27 wrote:I present you with my completely unjustified thoughts of suspicion! Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 10:40 VayneAuthority wrote:
Suppose ill come in and say that I am following the thread even though I am not posting yet, waiting for the night killings to analyze Vayne finds it necessary to post that he is around, but not posting. As mafia I find that I'm always more concerned with how others view my absence, promising future contribution or coming up with excuses why I'm not around. WoS earns scum points for posting a mafia gif. He earns likability points for posting a simpsons gif. The conversation between WoS and chaoser doesn't seem natural. I'm not sure what's going on there. Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 12:16 DarthPunk wrote:
If you are a miller you should claim. But I will be wary of such a claim as there have been times in the past in which an uncontested miller claim day one has sealed the win for scum. So we should exercise our judgement on such claims rather than put blind faith on their townieness. DarthPunk's miller claim is consistent with his miller policy in past games. He does acknowledges how beneficial a mafia miller claim can be and I don't buy his argument that it's something he would never pull as mafia. It's a great plan if you're comfortable with the attention. I would feel much better about the claim if he simply stated that he claimed to not waste a town cop check, rather than explain how a mafia version of himself would play. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:00 DarthPunk wrote:
Also it is incredibly unlikely that I as scum decided to fake claim immediately N0 for literally no reason. The wording on this seems off to me, describing an impossible scenario if he is town as unlikely, but maybe that's just semantics. I'd consider him for a lynch tomorrow. @prplhz, why ask me in specific about my opinion of the miller claim? I already stated an anti-miller view. Did you want to push me in that direction or do you disagree that DarthPunk should be considered tomorrow as a candidate? Also, 24 hours with functional power and sewage. Even with the plot to take over the ship and murder us all, this has already far exceeded my expectations.
shrug, I just played in a game you hosted and thats how I play. I dont care about the frivolous things, only the facts.
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third party or inept vig that is the question.
Anyhow kita's filter just brings up a few suspicions towards me, darth, WoS, and prplhz.
I am also suspicious of prplhz and anyone else in this thread that went out of their way to communicate with kita.
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On May 13 2013 14:06 Blazinghand wrote:
21 players with 5 mafia is 2kp normally. Unless someone got protected (possible) the simplest explanation is mafia is responsible for both NKs. That being said I wouldn't be surprised, looking at the signup list, if a vig herped so hard that he derped and shot DP.
word, I confused this with another game. kp is hidden here, thought it was 1. Really strange that mafia would just kill him off this early when a lot of people wanted to lynch him in the day. I almost find your possible solution more plausible...
also to oats, because from experience people that are friends with adequate players and on different alignments go out of their way to kill those that they know for sure are good players.
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Im not gonna go through everyones filter so far since this thread is already huge, but as I said any interaction where some one goes out of their way to talk to kita. for example, prplhz saying hi to him when not addressed at all.
It makes them scummy, in my opinion, because kita died tonight. Got dat kita on your mind, whos gonna pop in your head when your thinking who to night kill?
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On May 13 2013 14:14 Blazinghand wrote:
The problem that like you and 90% of the TL Mafia community have is that you look for complex scenarios, for WTHTD, when really most of the time you should just assume things went relatively simply. This is a fairly large game with 5 scum. Games this size, scum tends to have 2 kp. Two people flipped.
Barring a vigi claim, or like a vet claim or something weird like that, the simplest thing to think, the thing that requires the fewest butt-retarded assumptions that literally everyone but me likes to make, is that scum used 2 kp and killed 2 people, who are the guys who just flipped. I'll update this view if new information emerges, but as it is I consider the matter closed. I'm right and you guys are wrong.
the problem for me is the motive behind killing darth. zero way of confirming him as town and he was scheduled to be a high lynch priority this next day. Maybe mafia thought he was hiding a PR role behind his bogus claim? probably my top guess right now as that is something I would do.
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On May 13 2013 17:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
He posted that shit about not wanting to post during the night and wait for the flips. Yeah... Scum wants to waste time, town doesnt.
Also he said that there were certain people suspciously interacting with kita, but never bothered to elaborate.
He seems to jump all over the place, no pressure on anyone so far and just useless/scummy.
I always play like that, regardless of town or scum. I do not care about "scumtells" here or playstyles since frankly I don't know many of you yet just starting here. All I can go off of is night killings and lynchings and how they pertain to how people acted.
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On May 14 2013 00:46 Promethelax wrote:
Great Vayne. So how did they act? There were two night kills what did you learn? Because I have to read you too and you have given me a lot of nothing to work on.
Who did you look into who had weird interactions with kita? Why is that person scum?
The post you 'lololol'ed at contains most of your answers :/ as I said my situation was different in the interaction in that I was responding to him directly, whereas prphlz went out of his way to address kita
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On May 14 2013 01:16 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 00:48 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 14 2013 00:46 Promethelax wrote:
Great Vayne. So how did they act? There were two night kills what did you learn? Because I have to read you too and you have given me a lot of nothing to work on.
Who did you look into who had weird interactions with kita? Why is that person scum? The post you 'lololol'ed at contains most of your answers :/ as I said my situation was different in the interaction in that I was responding to him directly, whereas prphlz went out of his way to address kita you calling an eighteen page thread huge is hilarious. You'll see. So prp is scum because of the Kita kill, what about people's interactions with DP? Why did his kill not factor into your analysis? WoS: if everyone who has started the wagons on you has been scum are you suggesting kita is scum? (obviously not but I have no idea what you are trying to suggest. Who is scum for pushing you?) prp and SnB, welcome back. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the leading vote owners and another player of your choice. You both know the drill. Reads and reasons.
recall that I played in this game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925 so I dont see how its hilarious, I know about big games. You will just never see me as a guy going back looking through the thread, I read it as the thread develops and make my opinions from that and take care not to second guess myself.
As I said I am baffled by the DP kill, I have nothing to comment on that besides my theory that mafia thought he was hiding a PR role behind his claim, but no leads on to who that could make mafia
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On May 14 2013 01:33 Promethelax wrote:
Wait, what account did you play that game under? I just went through the player list twice and didn't see you. Am I blind or did you switch accounts?
right forgot about that. Im Blindalbino on there but I wouldnt look too much into my playstyle there...it was a clue game and my clues were pretty much the most obvious things ever so we had a little game on IRC where I would post ridiculous shit and see how long it took people to notice
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b]##vote prplhz[[/b]
going out for a while so putting in my vote before I forget
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On May 14 2013 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vayne why are you so sure mafia killed DP?
I am not, if you filter me you'll see that I originally thought it was a 3rd party or vig shot, but some one showed me that mafia killing power is hidden and could be two.
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On May 14 2013 04:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes and after that you seemed to be sure it was mafia hit. Why did you change your point of view suddenly when BH brought up mafia KP?
Probability. Much more likely it was just 2 mafia kills instead of vig/3rd party/etc being the killer.
On May 14 2013 06:03 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
BH let me get this straight;
You want to lynch WoS for him straight up agreeing with you that scum killed DP, but not Vayne even when he did take a full 180 on flip analysis when you told him scum might have more than 1 KP? Almost! I want to lynch WoS for HOW he agreed with me that scum killed DP, and I want to not lynch vayne because HOW he did his 180 on flip analysis. Perhaps I didn't make this clear enough in my case: Whether someone buddies me, or whether someone disagrees with me, or whether someone derps or is wrong or is right, these are not how you catch scum. Scum can fake agreeing or disagreeing or being good or being bad as much as they want. A scum player could just bus all his buddies and pretend to be a master scumhunter, if all you look at is who he pushes and who he defends. I'm not saying this isn't useful information (since scum obviously don't want to bus) but this is only part of the picture. When you hunt scum, you need to pay attention to HOW people do things, and what they are thinking (or not thinking) when they do. WoS's post, imo, could not have come from a town mindset. I don't think he'd have written what he did the way he did if he really was town and was wondering why we were in agreement. Vayne, on the other hand, really just seems to be that wrongheaded, and although I don't think of him as captain mctown, i can see how from a town PoV Vayne has written what he has. This is how you hunt scum.
very true, im a shitty town player. Never had the game as town where I dont get accused of being scum at least 20 times, just check out the latest newbie mafia game I just played in LOL.
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On May 14 2013 07:22 HiroPro wrote:
shirokami seems like a good lynch also.
I was getting the same vibe, he acted super troll in the newbie game I just played with him and now hes acting all calm and and attempting to be agreeable and useful but not really posting anything
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On May 14 2013 07:26 shirokami wrote:
says a guy who wanted to waste vigshot to a miller.
explain why your playstyle is so different this game then if you have nothing to hide. As town you had no qualms being lynched but now you suddenly care?
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On May 14 2013 14:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
It was me slOosh, let me go take another look. You raise some decent points and I'm anxious to see how he responds, but I'm gonna have a look again for myself in the meantime.
What do you think about VayneAuthority? His vote on prplhz seems opportunistic and he basically parroted your reasoning for voting rayn as his reasoning for suspecting prplhz...at least that's what it looks like to me. Are you similarly suspicious of prplhz for his interaction (saying "hi") with Kita?
how can I parrot some one when I spoke first? You are getting real suspicious with messing so many facts up and switching around on so many bandwagons. one second you are voting with me on prplhz the next second you're going ballistic on me for voting him. make up your mind and get your facts straight.
Other people are saying you are playing differently as well so I keeping an eye on you from now on.
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On May 14 2013 15:09 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 15:00 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 14 2013 14:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
It was me slOosh, let me go take another look. You raise some decent points and I'm anxious to see how he responds, but I'm gonna have a look again for myself in the meantime.
What do you think about VayneAuthority? His vote on prplhz seems opportunistic and he basically parroted your reasoning for voting rayn as his reasoning for suspecting prplhz...at least that's what it looks like to me. Are you similarly suspicious of prplhz for his interaction (saying "hi") with Kita? how can I parrot some one when I spoke first? You are getting real suspicious with messing so many facts up and switching around on so many bandwagons. one second you are voting with me on prplhz the next second you're going ballistic on me for voting him. make up your mind and get your facts straight. Other people are saying you are playing differently as well so I keeping an eye on you from now on. bleh. Choose a dude. Point out 2 things that make him scum. GOOO
if thats directed at me
prplhz
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On May 13 2013 06:11 prplhz wrote:
@kitaman27 Hey! How's your stance on this whole miller thing?
Why isn't Viscera "MostActiveGuyInMafia" Eyes around?
Direct question at kita, adds to my suspicion since he threw VisceraEyes in there who is also bugging me now. Viscera is either a PR or mafia not sure which yet.
2. On May 14 2013 00:54 prplhz wrote:@slOosh You suck 
what the hell is that? out of nowhere and then sloosh starts talking a little later...are they in communication or what? so confused by this post.
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On May 14 2013 15:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vayne.
The second point is not alignment indicative, just ignore it.
Why is the question scummy and not someone asking an experienced player what he thinks?
there's a lot of experienced people in this game, why him specifically?
bedtime for me
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that would be a terrible special ability if it did that, I think he just loses his vote and thats that.
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On May 14 2013 15:00 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 14:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
It was me slOosh, let me go take another look. You raise some decent points and I'm anxious to see how he responds, but I'm gonna have a look again for myself in the meantime.
What do you think about VayneAuthority? His vote on prplhz seems opportunistic and he basically parroted your reasoning for voting rayn as his reasoning for suspecting prplhz...at least that's what it looks like to me. Are you similarly suspicious of prplhz for his interaction (saying "hi") with Kita? how can I parrot some one when I spoke first? You are getting real suspicious with messing so many facts up and switching around on so many bandwagons. one second you are voting with me on prplhz the next second you're going ballistic on me for voting him. make up your mind and get your facts straight. Other people are saying you are playing differently as well so I keeping an eye on you from now on.
Still waiting for your reply viscera. Interesting how you are telling BH to stop tunneling while you are now tunneling me. What makes me scum and who are my scumbuddies VE?
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On May 15 2013 04:00 strongandbig wrote:quick oatsmaster update: I don't like that no one is talking about him T_T guess i need to be more like bh if i want people to talk about my arguments Anyway I'm gonna do something else so I dont just tunnel him for all of time
question for shirokami: I see you posting a bunch of one-liners about how you agree with bh's case on wos. Could you give me your second best scum read and why? Or maybe read someone else's case on their scumread and tell me why they are wrong?
Same question for vayneauthority except with wos replaced by prplhz.
Responding to a question asked of me: Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 09:07 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 14 2013 07:20 strongandbig wrote:On May 12 2013 19:48 Bill Murray wrote:
hi guys ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7Hbrlxz.png) pubic service announcement bill murray is signed up for this game and also he posted Funny pic is always +1 to town in my book. y u no vote Oats, SnB? I generally don't like to vote until I'm pretty serious about killing someone. I'd like for some more people to tell me what they think about Oats before I decide whether to commit to voting him.
My opinion on someone else that has votes on him: I quite like Sloosh's case on Ryan: + Show Spoiler +On May 14 2013 10:42 slOosh wrote:The last votecount should have WoS at [L-6]We need to start consolidating our votes. 6 wagons with a handful of people who I can't recall posting is a recipe for disaster.
I really would like more discussion on rayn than "he is good if not we can kill him later". 1) I have no idea how good he is, and even if he was good, there's no reason to give "good players" a "free multi day pass". 2) This doesn't actually work. In Liquid City Mafia, I was caught and exposed early by BloodyCobbler because of my weak scum play, yet no one actually lynched me. 3) Traditionally mafia KP is based upon mafia #. Lowering mafia # lowers mafia KP. His re-entry into the thread has 3 red flags: Flag 1:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 02:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I agree with Prome on OO. I also do not like OO's analysis on my playstyle in this game. I can't read OO well and after Red Team Prize i have just mostly ignored him. Here i think he is a good lynch.
There is 0 contribution in this post. He sheeps Prome, comments that he doesn't like OO's analysis on himself but neglects to give any concrete proof or explanation, pre-emptively shirks responsibility for making a correct lynch by saying that he cannot read him, admits to ignoring him, and still concludes that he is a good lynch. Flag 2:From memory or reread, look at the people who find rayn suspicious. Ok. Now look at the things / people he chooses to address. Ok. Notice the discrepancy? He totally fails to address me. The one who (arguably) made the most clear cut, straightforward case against him. Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 00:55 slOosh wrote:In light of the DarthPunk flip I went back and reread people's stances on him. Because he had so much spotlight on him, scum would be compelled to make an opinion on him, or at least comment on him. What is important is to see how people justify their suspicions / read on him - town players have straightforward explanations while mafia try to make stuff up. Out of them, rayn sticks out the most: On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's not optimal. It's stupid or mafia. This is a classic mafia tactic. Push and lynch people for being bad, not scum. On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers. What Hiro said, it only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning. If you are town you should never be checked by a cop. Here rayn implicitly calls DarthPunk mafia without actually doing so. He is pushing the idea that because it is "not optimal" that he is scum upon a ridiculous premise. "If you are town you shouldn't be checked". Read that out loud to yourself. It's nonsense. If that was the case then cops would always land red checks. Rayn is justifying his vote with bad (read non existent) reasoning. On May 13 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:28 Vivax wrote:
Rayn what do you make of Kita calling WoS scum without reason and then more or less disappearing? I dunno what to make of it. Maybe he will explain it, maybe not, i'll judge later. I'm more interested in DP defending his claim as "what only townie would do" and then saying he is a good scum player and would never draw attention to himself like that as scum. If he thinks this is optimal town play, why so defensive?And calling people who think claiming miller is scummy stupid/scum is ridiculous. I would atm lynch him based purely on that. Avoiding giving opinions on kitaman(!!!) and draws attention back on DarthPunk. Then proceeds to ask a loaded question. On May 13 2013 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:45 DarthPunk wrote:On May 13 2013 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Only think I don't like about your claim is why N0, DP?
You're calling for us to waste a vigi shot that could be put to possible better use later on in the game. you don't have to shoot now.... Like obviously I don't want to die. I would RATHER be vigged than lynched though. if it comes to that. Hopefully you can all read my alignment by all the posts I am making clearly outlining the reasons behind my actions. How about you stop defending your sole action and start scumhunting instead? Another loaded question, pushing suspicion on him without any justification. ##Vote raynpelikoneet Instead of addressing this primary suspicion on him, he chooses to instead address Vivax's fake - role name business, which wasn't even the primary source of suspicion on him. This is cherry picking; this is sidestepping. Flag 3:False "contribution". I don't remember who said this, but they said they liked rayn's most recent contributions. Well they should read again. Pick out just how many of his posts are questions. Those posts are not alignment telling - scum can do it no problem because it's so easy. In fact I resort to asking questions as scum because it's safe and I know I won't get flak for it, but it makes it look like I'm participating in discussion. You have to look into purpose and motivation behind the questions. The ultimate difference in scum and town is that town want scum dead while scum want to look like they want scum dead. Therefore, the ultimate heuristic in finding scum is to ask "are they actually trying to get scum lynched?" From his filter, rayn's only "meaningful" suspicion is on OO. You can see this because he tries to get people to focus on OO. However, they are in the form of "what do you think of OO? why not lynch him?", when he himself had given no proper reasoning to lynching him. There is no honest effort to make players understand his view of OO. It is uncertain if he actually wants OO (or anyone in particular) lynched or not. Makings of scum play - as long as it isn't scum, they don't care where the lynch lands. Everyone who hasn't, and everyone who has needs to give their updated views on rayn. If you want to push for someone else, you best have something more than a 1 liner saying "he looks bad". Rayne did respond to this but I don't find his response sufficient: + Show Spoiler +On May 15 2013 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:First, Sloosh and your case: + Show Spoiler +On May 14 2013 00:55 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 13:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
That was the absolutely worst vig shot in the history of mafia Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 13:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Or scum decided to kill a dude under pressure. How can it be both a bad vig shot and a bad scum shot? This makes no sense at all.
In light of the DarthPunk flip I went back and reread people's stances on him. Because he had so much spotlight on him, scum would be compelled to make an opinion on him, or at least comment on him. What is important is to see how people justify their suspicions / read on him - town players have straightforward explanations while mafia try to make stuff up. Out of them, rayn sticks out the most: Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's not optimal. It's stupid or mafia. (1)This is a classic mafia tactic. Push and lynch people for being bad, not scum. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers. What Hiro said, it only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning. If you are town you should never be checked by a cop. (2)Here rayn implicitly calls DarthPunk mafia without actually doing so. He is pushing the idea that because it is "not optimal" that he is scum upon a ridiculous premise. "If you are town you shouldn't be checked". Read that out loud to yourself. It's nonsense. If that was the case then cops would always land red checks. Rayn is justifying his vote with bad (read non existent) reasoning. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:28 Vivax wrote:
Rayn what do you make of Kita calling WoS scum without reason and then more or less disappearing? I dunno what to make of it. Maybe he will explain it, maybe not, i'll judge later. I'm more interested in DP defending his claim as "what only townie would do" and then saying he is a good scum player and would never draw attention to himself like that as scum. If he thinks this is optimal town play, why so defensive?And calling people who think claiming miller is scummy stupid/scum is ridiculous. I would atm lynch him based purely on that. (3)Avoiding giving opinions on kitaman(!!!) and draws attention back on DarthPunk. Then proceeds to ask a loaded question. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:45 DarthPunk wrote:On May 13 2013 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Only think I don't like about your claim is why N0, DP?
You're calling for us to waste a vigi shot that could be put to possible better use later on in the game. you don't have to shoot now.... Like obviously I don't want to die. I would RATHER be vigged than lynched though. if it comes to that. Hopefully you can all read my alignment by all the posts I am making clearly outlining the reasons behind my actions. How about you stop defending your sole action and start scumhunting instead? (4)Another loaded question, pushing suspicion on him without any justification. ##Vote raynpelikoneet 1) No it's not. It's an opinion that i expressed as simple as it was possible. I think claiming miller in a setup where the number (or existance) of millers is not known is stupid or scum. 2) The bolded part you quoted; I think as town you should play as pro-town as possible, right? Cops do not check people they think are town right? I didn't understand why DP, at the start of the game, was worried about being checked by a cop. For me it seemed like he was scum who was afraid of being checked. I hope you get what i mean. 3 and 4) As is said, i unfortunately have limited time. I was not interested in kitaman at that time, i did not know what to make of him calling WoS scum that early in the game, so i ignored it. I wanted to hear more from DP, and wanted him to do something else than to defend himself. Everyone was discussing him at that moment, i wanted to know what else than his claim was on his mind. If i got something else to clarify to you, ask me.
About why i am voting for OO: What Prome said about OO and OO having an explanation to the DP night kill. In top of that DP was suspicious of OO, makes sense. Another thing that's very very odd from OO: OO called me out for meta reasons. I then posted in thread that i have a tight work schedule. What does OO answer: Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 03:04 ObviousOne wrote:
Oh does this mean you are more busy than last game, Rayn? I'll keep that in mind then.
As far as my comment, it's exactly what it said. You asked a shit load of questions last game as town and it worked very well for a) me seeing that we were having similar thought processes and b) you generated a lot of things to analyze by prodding people. I wasn't seeing that from you so far here but if that's due to a change in your schedule then that potentially changes my expectations of town you in this scenario. In my opinion this has nothing to do with meta, at all. If i post less i post less, but i still act as i usually do whatever my alignment is. OO is dropping his meta scum-read on me because of my work schedule. How does that make sense? Right, it doesn't, unless he knows i'm town and made up a meta read on me before i was even able to fully contribute to anything but DP-stuff.
shiro: You are saying that if WoS is town i am scum. How does that make sense? Are you saying i am not able to form town reads on people other people think is scum? I have given my reasons why i think WoS is town, are they bullshit? Elaborate please. Ryan doesn't address two of Sloosh's stronger points: that Ryan is asking more questions than he is making contributions or providing opinions, in such a way as to appear to be contributing without actually contributing, and that he's not engaging with his serious opponents but instead cherry-picking weaker posts to respond to. That said I like that ryan is actually taking a serious look at oatsmaster, who i still think is more likely to be scum.
Dont understand your question since I started the prplhz scumread, please rephrase your question.
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On May 15 2013 03:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Lol if VE is tunneling then BH has drilled through the fucking Earth.
VA I have no idea why you think prplhz is scum. There isn't even enough in his filter to go on. Do you find anyone else scummy this game?
Me?
OO?
Oats?
well go through my filter and you'll see why, its still only day one so im going by subtle clues and gutreads which is how I play every game. you guys may not like it but I usually find scum.
I dont find any of the 3 people you just listed scummy as of now. VisceraEyes also concerns me as well as shirokami due to his massive playstyle difference from the last game we just played where he was town.
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On May 15 2013 04:06 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 04:02 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 15 2013 04:00 strongandbig wrote:quick oatsmaster update: I don't like that no one is talking about him T_Tguess i need to be more like bh if i want people to talk about my arguments Anyway I'm gonna do something else so I dont just tunnel him for all of time
question for shirokami: I see you posting a bunch of one-liners about how you agree with bh's case on wos. Could you give me your second best scum read and why? Or maybe read someone else's case on their scumread and tell me why they are wrong?
Same question for vayneauthority except with wos replaced by prplhz.
Responding to a question asked of me: On May 14 2013 09:07 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 14 2013 07:20 strongandbig wrote:On May 12 2013 19:48 Bill Murray wrote:
hi guys pubic service announcement bill murray is signed up for this game and also he posted Funny pic is always +1 to town in my book. y u no vote Oats, SnB? I generally don't like to vote until I'm pretty serious about killing someone. I'd like for some more people to tell me what they think about Oats before I decide whether to commit to voting him.
My opinion on someone else that has votes on him: I quite like Sloosh's case on Ryan: + Show Spoiler +On May 14 2013 10:42 slOosh wrote:The last votecount should have WoS at [L-6]We need to start consolidating our votes. 6 wagons with a handful of people who I can't recall posting is a recipe for disaster.
I really would like more discussion on rayn than "he is good if not we can kill him later". 1) I have no idea how good he is, and even if he was good, there's no reason to give "good players" a "free multi day pass". 2) This doesn't actually work. In Liquid City Mafia, I was caught and exposed early by BloodyCobbler because of my weak scum play, yet no one actually lynched me. 3) Traditionally mafia KP is based upon mafia #. Lowering mafia # lowers mafia KP. His re-entry into the thread has 3 red flags: Flag 1:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 02:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I agree with Prome on OO. I also do not like OO's analysis on my playstyle in this game. I can't read OO well and after Red Team Prize i have just mostly ignored him. Here i think he is a good lynch.
There is 0 contribution in this post. He sheeps Prome, comments that he doesn't like OO's analysis on himself but neglects to give any concrete proof or explanation, pre-emptively shirks responsibility for making a correct lynch by saying that he cannot read him, admits to ignoring him, and still concludes that he is a good lynch. Flag 2:From memory or reread, look at the people who find rayn suspicious. Ok. Now look at the things / people he chooses to address. Ok. Notice the discrepancy? He totally fails to address me. The one who (arguably) made the most clear cut, straightforward case against him. Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 00:55 slOosh wrote:In light of the DarthPunk flip I went back and reread people's stances on him. Because he had so much spotlight on him, scum would be compelled to make an opinion on him, or at least comment on him. What is important is to see how people justify their suspicions / read on him - town players have straightforward explanations while mafia try to make stuff up. Out of them, rayn sticks out the most: On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's not optimal. It's stupid or mafia. This is a classic mafia tactic. Push and lynch people for being bad, not scum. On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers. What Hiro said, it only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning. If you are town you should never be checked by a cop. Here rayn implicitly calls DarthPunk mafia without actually doing so. He is pushing the idea that because it is "not optimal" that he is scum upon a ridiculous premise. "If you are town you shouldn't be checked". Read that out loud to yourself. It's nonsense. If that was the case then cops would always land red checks. Rayn is justifying his vote with bad (read non existent) reasoning. On May 13 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:28 Vivax wrote:
Rayn what do you make of Kita calling WoS scum without reason and then more or less disappearing? I dunno what to make of it. Maybe he will explain it, maybe not, i'll judge later. I'm more interested in DP defending his claim as "what only townie would do" and then saying he is a good scum player and would never draw attention to himself like that as scum. If he thinks this is optimal town play, why so defensive?And calling people who think claiming miller is scummy stupid/scum is ridiculous. I would atm lynch him based purely on that. Avoiding giving opinions on kitaman(!!!) and draws attention back on DarthPunk. Then proceeds to ask a loaded question. On May 13 2013 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:45 DarthPunk wrote:On May 13 2013 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Only think I don't like about your claim is why N0, DP?
You're calling for us to waste a vigi shot that could be put to possible better use later on in the game. you don't have to shoot now.... Like obviously I don't want to die. I would RATHER be vigged than lynched though. if it comes to that. Hopefully you can all read my alignment by all the posts I am making clearly outlining the reasons behind my actions. How about you stop defending your sole action and start scumhunting instead? Another loaded question, pushing suspicion on him without any justification. ##Vote raynpelikoneet Instead of addressing this primary suspicion on him, he chooses to instead address Vivax's fake - role name business, which wasn't even the primary source of suspicion on him. This is cherry picking; this is sidestepping. Flag 3:False "contribution". I don't remember who said this, but they said they liked rayn's most recent contributions. Well they should read again. Pick out just how many of his posts are questions. Those posts are not alignment telling - scum can do it no problem because it's so easy. In fact I resort to asking questions as scum because it's safe and I know I won't get flak for it, but it makes it look like I'm participating in discussion. You have to look into purpose and motivation behind the questions. The ultimate difference in scum and town is that town want scum dead while scum want to look like they want scum dead. Therefore, the ultimate heuristic in finding scum is to ask "are they actually trying to get scum lynched?" From his filter, rayn's only "meaningful" suspicion is on OO. You can see this because he tries to get people to focus on OO. However, they are in the form of "what do you think of OO? why not lynch him?", when he himself had given no proper reasoning to lynching him. There is no honest effort to make players understand his view of OO. It is uncertain if he actually wants OO (or anyone in particular) lynched or not. Makings of scum play - as long as it isn't scum, they don't care where the lynch lands. Everyone who hasn't, and everyone who has needs to give their updated views on rayn. If you want to push for someone else, you best have something more than a 1 liner saying "he looks bad". Rayne did respond to this but I don't find his response sufficient: + Show Spoiler +On May 15 2013 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:First, Sloosh and your case: + Show Spoiler +On May 14 2013 00:55 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 13:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
That was the absolutely worst vig shot in the history of mafia Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 13:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Or scum decided to kill a dude under pressure. How can it be both a bad vig shot and a bad scum shot? This makes no sense at all.
In light of the DarthPunk flip I went back and reread people's stances on him. Because he had so much spotlight on him, scum would be compelled to make an opinion on him, or at least comment on him. What is important is to see how people justify their suspicions / read on him - town players have straightforward explanations while mafia try to make stuff up. Out of them, rayn sticks out the most: Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's not optimal. It's stupid or mafia. (1)This is a classic mafia tactic. Push and lynch people for being bad, not scum. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers. What Hiro said, it only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning. If you are town you should never be checked by a cop. (2)Here rayn implicitly calls DarthPunk mafia without actually doing so. He is pushing the idea that because it is "not optimal" that he is scum upon a ridiculous premise. "If you are town you shouldn't be checked". Read that out loud to yourself. It's nonsense. If that was the case then cops would always land red checks. Rayn is justifying his vote with bad (read non existent) reasoning. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:28 Vivax wrote:
Rayn what do you make of Kita calling WoS scum without reason and then more or less disappearing? I dunno what to make of it. Maybe he will explain it, maybe not, i'll judge later. I'm more interested in DP defending his claim as "what only townie would do" and then saying he is a good scum player and would never draw attention to himself like that as scum. If he thinks this is optimal town play, why so defensive?And calling people who think claiming miller is scummy stupid/scum is ridiculous. I would atm lynch him based purely on that. (3)Avoiding giving opinions on kitaman(!!!) and draws attention back on DarthPunk. Then proceeds to ask a loaded question. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:45 DarthPunk wrote:On May 13 2013 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Only think I don't like about your claim is why N0, DP?
You're calling for us to waste a vigi shot that could be put to possible better use later on in the game. you don't have to shoot now.... Like obviously I don't want to die. I would RATHER be vigged than lynched though. if it comes to that. Hopefully you can all read my alignment by all the posts I am making clearly outlining the reasons behind my actions. How about you stop defending your sole action and start scumhunting instead? (4)Another loaded question, pushing suspicion on him without any justification. ##Vote raynpelikoneet 1) No it's not. It's an opinion that i expressed as simple as it was possible. I think claiming miller in a setup where the number (or existance) of millers is not known is stupid or scum. 2) The bolded part you quoted; I think as town you should play as pro-town as possible, right? Cops do not check people they think are town right? I didn't understand why DP, at the start of the game, was worried about being checked by a cop. For me it seemed like he was scum who was afraid of being checked. I hope you get what i mean. 3 and 4) As is said, i unfortunately have limited time. I was not interested in kitaman at that time, i did not know what to make of him calling WoS scum that early in the game, so i ignored it. I wanted to hear more from DP, and wanted him to do something else than to defend himself. Everyone was discussing him at that moment, i wanted to know what else than his claim was on his mind. If i got something else to clarify to you, ask me.
About why i am voting for OO: What Prome said about OO and OO having an explanation to the DP night kill. In top of that DP was suspicious of OO, makes sense. Another thing that's very very odd from OO: OO called me out for meta reasons. I then posted in thread that i have a tight work schedule. What does OO answer: Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 03:04 ObviousOne wrote:
Oh does this mean you are more busy than last game, Rayn? I'll keep that in mind then.
As far as my comment, it's exactly what it said. You asked a shit load of questions last game as town and it worked very well for a) me seeing that we were having similar thought processes and b) you generated a lot of things to analyze by prodding people. I wasn't seeing that from you so far here but if that's due to a change in your schedule then that potentially changes my expectations of town you in this scenario. In my opinion this has nothing to do with meta, at all. If i post less i post less, but i still act as i usually do whatever my alignment is. OO is dropping his meta scum-read on me because of my work schedule. How does that make sense? Right, it doesn't, unless he knows i'm town and made up a meta read on me before i was even able to fully contribute to anything but DP-stuff.
shiro: You are saying that if WoS is town i am scum. How does that make sense? Are you saying i am not able to form town reads on people other people think is scum? I have given my reasons why i think WoS is town, are they bullshit? Elaborate please. Ryan doesn't address two of Sloosh's stronger points: that Ryan is asking more questions than he is making contributions or providing opinions, in such a way as to appear to be contributing without actually contributing, and that he's not engaging with his serious opponents but instead cherry-picking weaker posts to respond to. That said I like that ryan is actually taking a serious look at oatsmaster, who i still think is more likely to be scum. See this is exactly what I mean. WTF is this? Look at how many of my posts are about Oats. How can I take this fucking game seriously? true but no one is listening to you, so it doesn't really help - i want to get some discussion on him. what does me leaving you out have to do with taking the game seriously? like, huh? Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 04:02 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 15 2013 04:00 strongandbig wrote:quick oatsmaster update: I don't like that no one is talking about him T_T guess i need to be more like bh if i want people to talk about my arguments Anyway I'm gonna do something else so I dont just tunnel him for all of time
question for shirokami: I see you posting a bunch of one-liners about how you agree with bh's case on wos. Could you give me your second best scum read and why? Or maybe read someone else's case on their scumread and tell me why they are wrong?
Same question for vayneauthority except with wos replaced by prplhz.
Responding to a question asked of me: On May 14 2013 09:07 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 14 2013 07:20 strongandbig wrote:On May 12 2013 19:48 Bill Murray wrote:
hi guys pubic service announcement bill murray is signed up for this game and also he posted Funny pic is always +1 to town in my book. y u no vote Oats, SnB? I generally don't like to vote until I'm pretty serious about killing someone. I'd like for some more people to tell me what they think about Oats before I decide whether to commit to voting him.
My opinion on someone else that has votes on him: I quite like Sloosh's case on Ryan: + Show Spoiler +On May 14 2013 10:42 slOosh wrote:The last votecount should have WoS at [L-6]We need to start consolidating our votes. 6 wagons with a handful of people who I can't recall posting is a recipe for disaster.
I really would like more discussion on rayn than "he is good if not we can kill him later". 1) I have no idea how good he is, and even if he was good, there's no reason to give "good players" a "free multi day pass". 2) This doesn't actually work. In Liquid City Mafia, I was caught and exposed early by BloodyCobbler because of my weak scum play, yet no one actually lynched me. 3) Traditionally mafia KP is based upon mafia #. Lowering mafia # lowers mafia KP. His re-entry into the thread has 3 red flags: Flag 1:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 02:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I agree with Prome on OO. I also do not like OO's analysis on my playstyle in this game. I can't read OO well and after Red Team Prize i have just mostly ignored him. Here i think he is a good lynch.
There is 0 contribution in this post. He sheeps Prome, comments that he doesn't like OO's analysis on himself but neglects to give any concrete proof or explanation, pre-emptively shirks responsibility for making a correct lynch by saying that he cannot read him, admits to ignoring him, and still concludes that he is a good lynch. Flag 2:From memory or reread, look at the people who find rayn suspicious. Ok. Now look at the things / people he chooses to address. Ok. Notice the discrepancy? He totally fails to address me. The one who (arguably) made the most clear cut, straightforward case against him. Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 00:55 slOosh wrote:In light of the DarthPunk flip I went back and reread people's stances on him. Because he had so much spotlight on him, scum would be compelled to make an opinion on him, or at least comment on him. What is important is to see how people justify their suspicions / read on him - town players have straightforward explanations while mafia try to make stuff up. Out of them, rayn sticks out the most: On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's not optimal. It's stupid or mafia. This is a classic mafia tactic. Push and lynch people for being bad, not scum. On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers. What Hiro said, it only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning. If you are town you should never be checked by a cop. Here rayn implicitly calls DarthPunk mafia without actually doing so. He is pushing the idea that because it is "not optimal" that he is scum upon a ridiculous premise. "If you are town you shouldn't be checked". Read that out loud to yourself. It's nonsense. If that was the case then cops would always land red checks. Rayn is justifying his vote with bad (read non existent) reasoning. On May 13 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:28 Vivax wrote:
Rayn what do you make of Kita calling WoS scum without reason and then more or less disappearing? I dunno what to make of it. Maybe he will explain it, maybe not, i'll judge later. I'm more interested in DP defending his claim as "what only townie would do" and then saying he is a good scum player and would never draw attention to himself like that as scum. If he thinks this is optimal town play, why so defensive?And calling people who think claiming miller is scummy stupid/scum is ridiculous. I would atm lynch him based purely on that. Avoiding giving opinions on kitaman(!!!) and draws attention back on DarthPunk. Then proceeds to ask a loaded question. On May 13 2013 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:45 DarthPunk wrote:On May 13 2013 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Only think I don't like about your claim is why N0, DP?
You're calling for us to waste a vigi shot that could be put to possible better use later on in the game. you don't have to shoot now.... Like obviously I don't want to die. I would RATHER be vigged than lynched though. if it comes to that. Hopefully you can all read my alignment by all the posts I am making clearly outlining the reasons behind my actions. How about you stop defending your sole action and start scumhunting instead? Another loaded question, pushing suspicion on him without any justification. ##Vote raynpelikoneet Instead of addressing this primary suspicion on him, he chooses to instead address Vivax's fake - role name business, which wasn't even the primary source of suspicion on him. This is cherry picking; this is sidestepping. Flag 3:False "contribution". I don't remember who said this, but they said they liked rayn's most recent contributions. Well they should read again. Pick out just how many of his posts are questions. Those posts are not alignment telling - scum can do it no problem because it's so easy. In fact I resort to asking questions as scum because it's safe and I know I won't get flak for it, but it makes it look like I'm participating in discussion. You have to look into purpose and motivation behind the questions. The ultimate difference in scum and town is that town want scum dead while scum want to look like they want scum dead. Therefore, the ultimate heuristic in finding scum is to ask "are they actually trying to get scum lynched?" From his filter, rayn's only "meaningful" suspicion is on OO. You can see this because he tries to get people to focus on OO. However, they are in the form of "what do you think of OO? why not lynch him?", when he himself had given no proper reasoning to lynching him. There is no honest effort to make players understand his view of OO. It is uncertain if he actually wants OO (or anyone in particular) lynched or not. Makings of scum play - as long as it isn't scum, they don't care where the lynch lands. Everyone who hasn't, and everyone who has needs to give their updated views on rayn. If you want to push for someone else, you best have something more than a 1 liner saying "he looks bad". Rayne did respond to this but I don't find his response sufficient: + Show Spoiler +On May 15 2013 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:First, Sloosh and your case: + Show Spoiler +On May 14 2013 00:55 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 13:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
That was the absolutely worst vig shot in the history of mafia Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 13:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Or scum decided to kill a dude under pressure. How can it be both a bad vig shot and a bad scum shot? This makes no sense at all.
In light of the DarthPunk flip I went back and reread people's stances on him. Because he had so much spotlight on him, scum would be compelled to make an opinion on him, or at least comment on him. What is important is to see how people justify their suspicions / read on him - town players have straightforward explanations while mafia try to make stuff up. Out of them, rayn sticks out the most: Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's not optimal. It's stupid or mafia. (1)This is a classic mafia tactic. Push and lynch people for being bad, not scum. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers. What Hiro said, it only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning. If you are town you should never be checked by a cop. (2)Here rayn implicitly calls DarthPunk mafia without actually doing so. He is pushing the idea that because it is "not optimal" that he is scum upon a ridiculous premise. "If you are town you shouldn't be checked". Read that out loud to yourself. It's nonsense. If that was the case then cops would always land red checks. Rayn is justifying his vote with bad (read non existent) reasoning. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:28 Vivax wrote:
Rayn what do you make of Kita calling WoS scum without reason and then more or less disappearing? I dunno what to make of it. Maybe he will explain it, maybe not, i'll judge later. I'm more interested in DP defending his claim as "what only townie would do" and then saying he is a good scum player and would never draw attention to himself like that as scum. If he thinks this is optimal town play, why so defensive?And calling people who think claiming miller is scummy stupid/scum is ridiculous. I would atm lynch him based purely on that. (3)Avoiding giving opinions on kitaman(!!!) and draws attention back on DarthPunk. Then proceeds to ask a loaded question. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 13 2013 05:45 DarthPunk wrote:On May 13 2013 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Only think I don't like about your claim is why N0, DP?
You're calling for us to waste a vigi shot that could be put to possible better use later on in the game. you don't have to shoot now.... Like obviously I don't want to die. I would RATHER be vigged than lynched though. if it comes to that. Hopefully you can all read my alignment by all the posts I am making clearly outlining the reasons behind my actions. How about you stop defending your sole action and start scumhunting instead? (4)Another loaded question, pushing suspicion on him without any justification. ##Vote raynpelikoneet 1) No it's not. It's an opinion that i expressed as simple as it was possible. I think claiming miller in a setup where the number (or existance) of millers is not known is stupid or scum. 2) The bolded part you quoted; I think as town you should play as pro-town as possible, right? Cops do not check people they think are town right? I didn't understand why DP, at the start of the game, was worried about being checked by a cop. For me it seemed like he was scum who was afraid of being checked. I hope you get what i mean. 3 and 4) As is said, i unfortunately have limited time. I was not interested in kitaman at that time, i did not know what to make of him calling WoS scum that early in the game, so i ignored it. I wanted to hear more from DP, and wanted him to do something else than to defend himself. Everyone was discussing him at that moment, i wanted to know what else than his claim was on his mind. If i got something else to clarify to you, ask me.
About why i am voting for OO: What Prome said about OO and OO having an explanation to the DP night kill. In top of that DP was suspicious of OO, makes sense. Another thing that's very very odd from OO: OO called me out for meta reasons. I then posted in thread that i have a tight work schedule. What does OO answer: Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 03:04 ObviousOne wrote:
Oh does this mean you are more busy than last game, Rayn? I'll keep that in mind then.
As far as my comment, it's exactly what it said. You asked a shit load of questions last game as town and it worked very well for a) me seeing that we were having similar thought processes and b) you generated a lot of things to analyze by prodding people. I wasn't seeing that from you so far here but if that's due to a change in your schedule then that potentially changes my expectations of town you in this scenario. In my opinion this has nothing to do with meta, at all. If i post less i post less, but i still act as i usually do whatever my alignment is. OO is dropping his meta scum-read on me because of my work schedule. How does that make sense? Right, it doesn't, unless he knows i'm town and made up a meta read on me before i was even able to fully contribute to anything but DP-stuff.
shiro: You are saying that if WoS is town i am scum. How does that make sense? Are you saying i am not able to form town reads on people other people think is scum? I have given my reasons why i think WoS is town, are they bullshit? Elaborate please. Ryan doesn't address two of Sloosh's stronger points: that Ryan is asking more questions than he is making contributions or providing opinions, in such a way as to appear to be contributing without actually contributing, and that he's not engaging with his serious opponents but instead cherry-picking weaker posts to respond to. That said I like that ryan is actually taking a serious look at oatsmaster, who i still think is more likely to be scum. Dont understand your question since I started the prplhz scumread, please rephrase your question. Could you either post a second scumread and explanation for it, or evaluate one of the cases someone else has made on someone with votes on them, and explain why you disagree
Alright sure. I just posted a few more of my scumreads above so ill evaluate why I think WoS is not mafia. This goes back to the same analysis I played in my previous game to find a mafia, except now I am using it to find a town. When I am town, I get really fucking mad when people are going to lynch me because I know that im innocent and it gets me emotional to know that I played so fucking poorly that people are going to lynch me and we are going to lose for it. When im guilty I try to stay cool and reason with people and it is much easier to know since I
inherently know that I am guilty so there's nothing to be upset about, people just played better than me and found me out.
with how WoS is getting so mad, I really don't see him flipping mafia but of course not everyone is the same. He could be mafia, but I do not think so.
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On May 15 2013 04:14 Blazinghand wrote:
I understand the idea of "mad people must be town" but that's really not true. WoS under pressure does not get mad, he gets serious, he gets down to brass tacks. Like, pretending to be mad is literally one of the easiest things scum can do, and if you think that's a towntell I 100% guarantee you will get suckered by it every time. Is WoS acting angry? sure, yes he is. Is that in any way indicative of a town alignment? Typically I'd say it's a nulltell, but woS normally reacts to pressure by being good, not by being angry. This imo plus his attempting to find me scummy rather than find out who i am (until I called him out on it, of course, then he changed course to look less scummy) should be pretty serious scumtells for you.
I want better reasoning for allt hese not-WoS votes.
That being said I understand there are other people to be talked about today, and so I will offer my thoughts on other players.
obviously there's no one way to know somebody is mafia or this game would be boring, not all mad people are innocent so you have to use your intuition at that point.
If he flips mafia I look really bad at this point and hes scheduled to be lynched, so think about that for later when deciding on my alignment. Would I really stick myself out this far and look bad on either flip for WoS if I was mafia? Now THAT makes no sense at all.
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On May 15 2013 04:22 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 04:19 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 15 2013 04:14 Blazinghand wrote:
I understand the idea of "mad people must be town" but that's really not true. WoS under pressure does not get mad, he gets serious, he gets down to brass tacks. Like, pretending to be mad is literally one of the easiest things scum can do, and if you think that's a towntell I 100% guarantee you will get suckered by it every time. Is WoS acting angry? sure, yes he is. Is that in any way indicative of a town alignment? Typically I'd say it's a nulltell, but woS normally reacts to pressure by being good, not by being angry. This imo plus his attempting to find me scummy rather than find out who i am (until I called him out on it, of course, then he changed course to look less scummy) should be pretty serious scumtells for you.
I want better reasoning for allt hese not-WoS votes.
That being said I understand there are other people to be talked about today, and so I will offer my thoughts on other players. obviously there's no one way to know somebody is mafia or this game would be boring, not all mad people are innocent so you have to use your intuition at that point. If he flips mafia I look really bad at this point and hes scheduled to be lynched, so think about that for later when deciding on my alignment. Would I really stick myself out this far and look bad on either flip for WoS if I was mafia? Now THAT makes no sense at all. I'm not saying you're mafia dude, chillax. I'll make a more serious read and case against you. When I call you mafia you know i'm calling you mafia. Why so paranoid? I'm just saying you need better reasoning than what you got to not lynch WoS. Anyone can fake being mad.
Im paranoid because I don't like any of the lynches people are on atm and with so many people on me just like the last game (although I did make it to the final day as a result) I know that town is facing an upward battle for a while.
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what are the chances of there being a fool in this game with so many self voters? or is that just a thing on this forum?
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at this rate half the town is going to be dead by tomorrow night between night killings, modkills, and potential fools/self lynchers
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On May 15 2013 06:01 VayneAuthority wrote:
what are the chances of there being a fool in this game with so many self voters? or is that just a thing on this forum?
also not voting for him because of this
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On May 15 2013 07:01 VisceraEyes wrote:Why We Should Lynch VayneAuthorityVayneAuthority's play can be summarized quite succinctly as "hands off". Early on he wanted to sit back and wait for the NKs to analyze, once the flips happened, he voted prplhz for "saying hi to Kita and nothing else" and has since been completely absent from town discussion aside from popping in when his name is called. Hey Vayne, it's time for you to come out and play!Unlike some other low content players in the game who are doing strictly speaking nothing (BM comes to mind, sinani), Vayne is putting on the facade of being active by posting in response to people mentioning him, and throwing out one-liners regarding things that are currently happening in the thread. I find this far more suspicious than players who are doing, literally, nothing because it allows Vayne to keep off others' radars. Who does Vayne find suspicious? The only person that comes to mind is prplhz. Let's see why. Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 14:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
Im not gonna go through everyones filter so far since this thread is already huge, but as I said any interaction where some one goes out of their way to talk to kita. for example, prplhz saying hi to him when not addressed at all.
It makes them scummy, in my opinion, because kita died tonight. Got dat kita on your mind, whos gonna pop in your head when your thinking who to night kill?
Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 15:18 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 14 2013 15:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 14 2013 15:00 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 14 2013 14:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
It was me slOosh, let me go take another look. You raise some decent points and I'm anxious to see how he responds, but I'm gonna have a look again for myself in the meantime.
What do you think about VayneAuthority? His vote on prplhz seems opportunistic and he basically parroted your reasoning for voting rayn as his reasoning for suspecting prplhz...at least that's what it looks like to me. Are you similarly suspicious of prplhz for his interaction (saying "hi") with Kita? how can I parrot some one when I spoke first? You are getting real suspicious with messing so many facts up and switching around on so many bandwagons. one second you are voting with me on prplhz the next second you're going ballistic on me for voting him. make up your mind and get your facts straight. Other people are saying you are playing differently as well so I keeping an eye on you from now on. bleh. Choose a dude. Point out 2 things that make him scum. GOOO if thats directed at me prplhz1. On May 13 2013 06:11 prplhz wrote:
@kitaman27 Hey! How's your stance on this whole miller thing?
Why isn't Viscera "MostActiveGuyInMafia" Eyes around? Direct question at kita, adds to my suspicion since he threw VisceraEyes in there who is also bugging me now. Viscera is either a PR or mafia not sure which yet. 2. On May 14 2013 00:54 prplhz wrote:@slOosh You suck what the hell is that? out of nowhere and then sloosh starts talking a little later...are they in communication or what? so confused by this post. My problem with his reasoning is this: he's done nothing to try and discern prplhz alignment aside from look at his interaction with Kita. Cool. Except - he doesn't explain why this post HAS to come from a scumPrplhz. I don't even understand what makes this interaction incriminating at all - he asks Kita for his stance on the whole miller thing. From a town perspective, I can see prplhz asking a veteran player his stance on something relevant to what's happening in the thread. From a scum perspective, what does it gain for prplhz to kill Kitaman after asking him this question? The explanation is lacking critical thought and it's been his only vote in the game. He also is suspicious of me now, because I'm suspicious of him I guess. But what has he done to push a lynch on either of prplhz or myself? Nothing. Not one thing. He's not trying to discern our alignments, he's not trying to get us lynched. He's just faking contribution and trying to skate by. I find him more suspicious by far than zero contributors, and I find him FAR more suspicious than WaveofShadow, who is in the thread obviously trying to find scum WHILE being tunneled to death by a more experienced player. Everyone should be voting for VayneAuthority for today's lynch. It's the right thing to do
You're lead on me isn't any stronger than my lead on prphlz, in fact I would argue its weaker. Just because you don't like my playstyle im mafia? Im a self admitted bad town because I never attempt to scumhunt based off conventional means, and ill always stick to my gutreads and subtle clues because its what has worked for me. I have been playing this game for far longer than most people here and it would be a mistake to write me off as a garbage scum player thats just trying to skate by.
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On May 15 2013 03:55 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 15:00 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 14 2013 14:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
It was me slOosh, let me go take another look. You raise some decent points and I'm anxious to see how he responds, but I'm gonna have a look again for myself in the meantime.
What do you think about VayneAuthority? His vote on prplhz seems opportunistic and he basically parroted your reasoning for voting rayn as his reasoning for suspecting prplhz...at least that's what it looks like to me. Are you similarly suspicious of prplhz for his interaction (saying "hi") with Kita? how can I parrot some one when I spoke first? You are getting real suspicious with messing so many facts up and switching around on so many bandwagons. one second you are voting with me on prplhz the next second you're going ballistic on me for voting him. make up your mind and get your facts straight. Other people are saying you are playing differently as well so I keeping an eye on you from now on. Still waiting for your reply viscera. Interesting how you are telling BH to stop tunneling while you are now tunneling me. What makes me scum and who are my scumbuddies VE?
also I like how viscera skipped over an entire page of questions directed at him, including mine and tries to accuse others of trying to skate by. guys hilarious. answer some questions or no one is going to take you seriously
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On May 15 2013 07:17 prplhz wrote:
@VayneAuthority Your case on me is complete bullshit. Your move.
you have one of the most emotionally unstable filters in this thread, there is some non bullshit for you.
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On May 15 2013 07:22 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 07:20 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 15 2013 07:17 prplhz wrote:
@VayneAuthority Your case on me is complete bullshit. Your move. you have one of the most emotionally unstable filters in this thread, there is some non bullshit for you. You think I'm town and you say this? Personally I don't put a lot of value in emotion reads barring a couple specific examples.
how is your filter unstable? you start out posting normally then go ballistic when accused by BH and you guys go back and forth for a while. take a look at prphlz's filter and tell me it isnt all over the place. Hes attached to nobody and nothing.
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On May 15 2013 07:31 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 07:16 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 15 2013 03:55 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 14 2013 15:00 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 14 2013 14:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
It was me slOosh, let me go take another look. You raise some decent points and I'm anxious to see how he responds, but I'm gonna have a look again for myself in the meantime.
What do you think about VayneAuthority? His vote on prplhz seems opportunistic and he basically parroted your reasoning for voting rayn as his reasoning for suspecting prplhz...at least that's what it looks like to me. Are you similarly suspicious of prplhz for his interaction (saying "hi") with Kita? how can I parrot some one when I spoke first? You are getting real suspicious with messing so many facts up and switching around on so many bandwagons. one second you are voting with me on prplhz the next second you're going ballistic on me for voting him. make up your mind and get your facts straight. Other people are saying you are playing differently as well so I keeping an eye on you from now on. Still waiting for your reply viscera. Interesting how you are telling BH to stop tunneling while you are now tunneling me. What makes me scum and who are my scumbuddies VE? also I like how viscera skipped over an entire page of questions directed at him, including mine and tries to accuse others of trying to skate by. guys hilarious. answer some questions or no one is going to take you seriously The only question I even see is the bit about you parroting slOosh or SnB or whomever when you said that shit about prplhz...but you'll notice that in my actual case against you I didn't mention that did I? You're right in that you spoke first, but ultimately it doesn't matter in my read of you because that reasoning is weak and you've given no other explanation for it. You're right. You didn't parrot in your reasoning. Point conceded. Any further questions you have you will have to either point to or restate.
I was merely speaking for others, theres like half a page in thread with 3-4 back to back posts directed at you. That is my only clarification from you.
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On May 15 2013 07:36 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 07:29 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 15 2013 07:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 15 2013 07:20 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 15 2013 07:17 prplhz wrote:
@VayneAuthority Your case on me is complete bullshit. Your move. you have one of the most emotionally unstable filters in this thread, there is some non bullshit for you. You think I'm town and you say this? Personally I don't put a lot of value in emotion reads barring a couple specific examples. how is your filter unstable? you start out posting normally then go ballistic when accused by BH and you guys go back and forth for a while. take a look at prphlz's filter and tell me it isnt all over the place. Hes attached to nobody and nothing. I don't get it Vayne, which is scummy being detached and emotional or being tunnely and not emotional? Because you're accusing two people with very different playstyles, one of which your reasoning is weak and the other is blatant OMGUS, and both are NOT exhibiting the tendencies you're saying the other exhibits as evidence of their guilt. Furthermore, you accuse me of tunneling you when that's very far from the truth. I've been explicit in who I've been looking at. I'll concede that I haven't really gotten back with the thread regarding every filter I've gone over, but in general that means that I found nothing of note in the filters in question, not that I'm not looking at them. If I say I'm doing something I'm doing it, and I've been willing to look at targets who aren't you all game. Just because now I'm ready to make a case and get you lynched, that does not mean that I'm tunneling.
I evaluate each case in an individual basis, there's no catch all as I was talking about with BH before. prphlz seems flippant, unattached, and making zero case for me to believe he is doing anything town related. As for your OMGUS thing, its fine if prphlz does it like he just did but if I do it its scummy? somethings off here.
Looking at your filter you havent spoken about anything except me in a while, yes I would call that tunneling.
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On May 15 2013 07:37 prplhz wrote:
We should really think about consolidating because apparently lynch is in like 5 hours and d1 nolynch is bad. I can't really be bothered to rally a bunch of people on d1 who'd rather ignore me. I still prefer HiroPro.
VayneAuthority could very well be scum. From his filter he seems like a thoughtful guy but his case on me is just bullshit and when confronted with that he doesn't try to explain himself, he simply launches an ad hominem. Why would he do that if he thinks I'm scum who is just calling his case bad? It seems like he's just uncomfortable with my opinion on him because he knows I'm town.
##Vote VayneAuthority
Good night.
pretty much guarantees my opinion that hes scum right here, the old nice cop/bad cop routine. Dude seems cool and thoughtful and blah blah blah....hes scum!
doesn't get any worse than that for me. Won't be changing my vote ever.
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On May 15 2013 07:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well I have a townread on prplhz Vayne, so who else you got besides me? Anyone? Or are we done here?
Done for the sake of you posting something that can be traced upon later. I await your other analyses.
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On May 15 2013 08:51 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 06:01 VayneAuthority wrote:
what are the chances of there being a fool in this game with so many self voters? or is that just a thing on this forum? This is actually a surprisingly good point. While it is rare for us to use the role (we usually call it a Jester) this is an Ace themed game and there could be a guy present who wins by being lynched. Since we don't know that to be the case though I think we have to play as though it isn't fact. Putting a guy who wants to be lynched into a game where no one knows he exists is pretty shitty. Its easy to get lynched. Even if there is a jester in the game it will be of the win alone but game continues type, not the game over jester wins type. Oh, I see Hiro said this. Bah. Fuck I think its likely that OO is scum and want him lynched for that. Everyone stop with this policy crap though. Either vote OO because you think he is likely to flip scum or do not vote OO. There is not a third option. OO, finding yourself in endgame with Grush and anyone is a townie dream come true. You know with 100% certainty who the last scum is and you only have to convince Grush. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you? If I thought this was your town play we'd be having words later. VE, you around? I want someone to talk to whose opinions are worth something. And what I said about Vayne still holds true ongoing game blah blah but it'll be done in under 24 hours. Why do you think you can push his lynch through today when I have already told you that I oppose it? Vayne, I have both a meta and currentgame town read on prplhz. Your arguments have done nothing to convince me of his guilt and his responses to you make him more townie. Change your vote to someone who might actually flip scum. prp and SnB, I rather like your respective cases on Hiro and Oats. prp: I don't have the history with Hiro to back it up though, Rockband is one of the few games played since I joined the forum which I didn't read. Could you elaborate on the connections you see between Hiro here and scumHiro there? Your gut read doesn't help me because I don't share it. SnB: why is it that you disagree with the town tell I have brought up about Oats? How much have you played with him before? The kid is a bit all over the place, though I love him he ccan be an idiot and the 180s and calling out his own scumminess are both present in his town games as well as his scum games.
only person id be even remotely down to lynch on the current list is Hiro and I dont see that happening anytime soon. And before you ask why I have no reason since frankly I dont like any of these wagons, including my own. Seems like mafia has a lot of control over this game as of now.
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On May 15 2013 09:03 Promethelax wrote:
but I'm not talking about his activity, its about his scum hunting methods here compared to his ongoing game in which his alignment is [REDACTED] I believe a comparison of his methods here and there suggest that he is town here. I can't say if I think he is matching his town methods or not matching his scum methods due to ongoing game but I think it is worth looking at that ongoing game and thinking about what he has shown in both games, the similarities and the differences.
Now, if you insist on lynching a town read day one I think Vayne is one of the least helpful of them all and wouldn't be terribly sad to see him die however I'd still much rather watch scum swing. I really think that OO is a better lynch based on my early points and also his fucking martyring (which is more of a policy than a scum tell, to be fair). And, if you insist on lynching a town read I'd rather you did something straight stupid like lynch WoS for information or something where I could understand the theory behind it even while yelling at you that you are dumb.
What I'm saying is Vayne is 1. probably town and 2. kinda dumb. Also 3. I wouldn't even find it funny if he got lynched, just pathetic. I get that you hate his playstyle; join the club. But, as Mafia Scum dot net has taught me, having a terrible playstyle doesn't mean you are scum it just means that you are bad.
and posts like this irritate me. If you guys are just gonna circlejerk all day and call me bad when frankly I have way more years of experience than most here then just fuckin' kill me already because its obnoxious as hell. A playstyle difference doesnt make you guys any better so stop jerking eachother off and get to the point.
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On May 15 2013 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 09:06 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 15 2013 09:03 Promethelax wrote:
but I'm not talking about his activity, its about his scum hunting methods here compared to his ongoing game in which his alignment is [REDACTED] I believe a comparison of his methods here and there suggest that he is town here. I can't say if I think he is matching his town methods or not matching his scum methods due to ongoing game but I think it is worth looking at that ongoing game and thinking about what he has shown in both games, the similarities and the differences.
Now, if you insist on lynching a town read day one I think Vayne is one of the least helpful of them all and wouldn't be terribly sad to see him die however I'd still much rather watch scum swing. I really think that OO is a better lynch based on my early points and also his fucking martyring (which is more of a policy than a scum tell, to be fair). And, if you insist on lynching a town read I'd rather you did something straight stupid like lynch WoS for information or something where I could understand the theory behind it even while yelling at you that you are dumb.
What I'm saying is Vayne is 1. probably town and 2. kinda dumb. Also 3. I wouldn't even find it funny if he got lynched, just pathetic. I get that you hate his playstyle; join the club. But, as Mafia Scum dot net has taught me, having a terrible playstyle doesn't mean you are scum it just means that you are bad. and posts like this irritate me. If you guys are just gonna circlejerk all day and call me bad when frankly I have way more years of experience than most here then just fuckin' kill me already because its obnoxious as hell. A playstyle difference doesnt make you guys any better so stop jerking eachother off and get to the point. Whoa there tiger this is the guy defending you. Have some fucking faith sir.
I dont care what hes doing, there's only so many posts blatantly belittling me that im gonna let slide. Its completely worthless to the discussion of the game and adds nothing
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On May 15 2013 09:12 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 09:06 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 15 2013 09:03 Promethelax wrote:
but I'm not talking about his activity, its about his scum hunting methods here compared to his ongoing game in which his alignment is [REDACTED] I believe a comparison of his methods here and there suggest that he is town here. I can't say if I think he is matching his town methods or not matching his scum methods due to ongoing game but I think it is worth looking at that ongoing game and thinking about what he has shown in both games, the similarities and the differences.
Now, if you insist on lynching a town read day one I think Vayne is one of the least helpful of them all and wouldn't be terribly sad to see him die however I'd still much rather watch scum swing. I really think that OO is a better lynch based on my early points and also his fucking martyring (which is more of a policy than a scum tell, to be fair). And, if you insist on lynching a town read I'd rather you did something straight stupid like lynch WoS for information or something where I could understand the theory behind it even while yelling at you that you are dumb.
What I'm saying is Vayne is 1. probably town and 2. kinda dumb. Also 3. I wouldn't even find it funny if he got lynched, just pathetic. I get that you hate his playstyle; join the club. But, as Mafia Scum dot net has taught me, having a terrible playstyle doesn't mean you are scum it just means that you are bad. and posts like this irritate me. If you guys are just gonna circlejerk all day and call me bad when frankly I have way more years of experience than most here then just fuckin' kill me already because its obnoxious as hell. A playstyle difference doesnt make you guys any better so stop jerking eachother off and get to the point. Look bud, you want to talk experience go ahead but you are self admittedly bad while in my most recent game I pushed a day one scum lynch and manged to fight the entire thread into lynching said scum after reversing my tunnel on a townie which had almost lead to said townie getting lynched. I'm better than you. Get over it.
haha you are a fucking headcase. The only thing your better than me at is having a massive ego on top of that pimply face of yours. Get a fucking life if you need to belittle others over the internet.
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I don't give a shit about how good I am at this game you just don't understand. I have the right to call myself bad If I want, you have no right to just come in and belittle people, in fact its in the rules basically; dont be a dick.
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On May 15 2013 09:23 Promethelax wrote:
yeah, I'm done talking to Vayne.
VE you still around? I wanna talk to someone who doesn't make me want to punch myself in the face.
glad to see your still an immature piece of shit, guess your balls have to drop first
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On May 15 2013 09:26 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 09:25 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 15 2013 09:23 Promethelax wrote:
yeah, I'm done talking to Vayne.
VE you still around? I wanna talk to someone who doesn't make me want to punch myself in the face. glad to see your still an immature piece of shit, guess your balls have to drop first I hope you appreciate the irony of this statement.
zero irony since I haven't initiated anything. get his undropped balls out of your mouth.
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On May 15 2013 12:54 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 12:45 slOosh wrote:Just finished, looking good. ##Unvote
##Vote ObviousOneOats, could you explain this from town perspective? On May 15 2013 07:02 ObviousOne wrote:
Vayne is the wrong lynch today, VE. See his other ongoing newbie game that we can't talk about and you will see why. He doesnt wanna mislynch someone he thinks is town?
his point being that he stated that and is currently voting for me now. I will help out.
##unvote: prplhz
##vote: obviousone
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we never even had a chance, with the votesteal we have like 8-9 people max that are constantly active. gonna be a rough game unless activity picks up
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On May 16 2013 03:31 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 01:59 slOosh wrote:
I'm starting to doubt my initial read on Rayn. His continued followup and focus on OO looks good and addresses a bulk of my case indirectly. It throws me off that he misses my huge posts but that could be an innocent mistake. I'm most thrown off by how many people have echoed agreement but no one was willing to put votes on him, you know, to actually get him lynched.
And that's the general atmosphere of how I'm reading Day 1. Many people voicing suspicions and pointing fingers, but very few people actually pushing / consolidating / willing to get people lynched. That leads me to believe that we have a more lurky / timid type scum team that is joining on what is available rather than actively working to push lynches. The difficulty is that we have a bunch of lurky town who are doing the exact same thing and letting scum hide amongst them.
My stance upon OO is dependent on if he can back his words with proof - if he can mount a meta case on Vayne and therefore justify his actions and stances, then he doesn't look that bad, given that I don't really find Prom's "scumslip" thing that big, as indicated by my earlier question to him.
People I want to lynch will reveal themselves early tomorrow. If they don't / can't push the cases / suspicions that they voiced in day 1, then we know they were full of fluff and just pretending to look good. You might be waiting a few games to get a full fledged meta case on Vayne. You know, considering this is game 2 for him on this forum here on this account as far as I am aware. If you call me saying him reacting emotionally to Prom when he said that's what he does as town in this very game (and a far as I'm aware that is where this concept originates, that he will get emotional as town when he is headed for a mislynch), why should I believe it? So I take his last game and his explanation from his play there and extend it to here and I'm left with conflicting ideas brought up by his own design that he essentially is authoring his own meta on a game by game basis. All I have to go on is his own word regarding this and that's why I don't trust it as it makes me wonder why it is that you DO. If I precluded my own play this game with "I only get demotivated about the game as town" and then did what I did, would you honestly take my word for it they I pre-emotes my actions with reasoning? Besides all that, meta is icing on the cake and not a sole basis for my case. His points regarding Prp were null, not scummy, and I wanted to hang him for lynching Prp for basically manufactured reasons. His emotional response at 3 votes is absolutely out of this world incongruent with the game state.
you're overanalyzing this shitty player, I could never be so sneaky. I have one playstyle and thats it hurrr
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On May 16 2013 03:50 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 03:47 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 16 2013 03:31 ObviousOne wrote:On May 16 2013 01:59 slOosh wrote:
I'm starting to doubt my initial read on Rayn. His continued followup and focus on OO looks good and addresses a bulk of my case indirectly. It throws me off that he misses my huge posts but that could be an innocent mistake. I'm most thrown off by how many people have echoed agreement but no one was willing to put votes on him, you know, to actually get him lynched.
And that's the general atmosphere of how I'm reading Day 1. Many people voicing suspicions and pointing fingers, but very few people actually pushing / consolidating / willing to get people lynched. That leads me to believe that we have a more lurky / timid type scum team that is joining on what is available rather than actively working to push lynches. The difficulty is that we have a bunch of lurky town who are doing the exact same thing and letting scum hide amongst them.
My stance upon OO is dependent on if he can back his words with proof - if he can mount a meta case on Vayne and therefore justify his actions and stances, then he doesn't look that bad, given that I don't really find Prom's "scumslip" thing that big, as indicated by my earlier question to him.
People I want to lynch will reveal themselves early tomorrow. If they don't / can't push the cases / suspicions that they voiced in day 1, then we know they were full of fluff and just pretending to look good. You might be waiting a few games to get a full fledged meta case on Vayne. You know, considering this is game 2 for him on this forum here on this account as far as I am aware. If you call me saying him reacting emotionally to Prom when he said that's what he does as town in this very game (and a far as I'm aware that is where this concept originates, that he will get emotional as town when he is headed for a mislynch), why should I believe it? So I take his last game and his explanation from his play there and extend it to here and I'm left with conflicting ideas brought up by his own design that he essentially is authoring his own meta on a game by game basis. All I have to go on is his own word regarding this and that's why I don't trust it as it makes me wonder why it is that you DO. If I precluded my own play this game with "I only get demotivated about the game as town" and then did what I did, would you honestly take my word for it they I pre-emotes my actions with reasoning? Besides all that, meta is icing on the cake and not a sole basis for my case. His points regarding Prp were null, not scummy, and I wanted to hang him for lynching Prp for basically manufactured reasons. His emotional response at 3 votes is absolutely out of this world incongruent with the game state. you're overanalyzing this shitty player, I could never be so sneaky. I have one playstyle and thats it hurrr Don't forget who the main wagons were either. Show me some of that sweet sweet vote analysis you say is one of your strengths. Show us.
alright serious face. If you guys are really intent on visceraeyes being a good player (I cant meta this) then he is honestly really suspicious and not just for omgus reasons. just take one look at his voting history this past day, he was pretty much up to lynch just about anyone and anything. Bounced around so much you cant even get any info on him when he flips later. Completely disassociated himself from his voting and seemed indifferent at actually lynching town or scum.
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Of course im equally sure that him and prome show up dead tonight, so take that with a grain of salt.
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On May 16 2013 05:52 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 04:23 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 16 2013 03:50 ObviousOne wrote:On May 16 2013 03:47 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 16 2013 03:31 ObviousOne wrote:On May 16 2013 01:59 slOosh wrote:
I'm starting to doubt my initial read on Rayn. His continued followup and focus on OO looks good and addresses a bulk of my case indirectly. It throws me off that he misses my huge posts but that could be an innocent mistake. I'm most thrown off by how many people have echoed agreement but no one was willing to put votes on him, you know, to actually get him lynched.
And that's the general atmosphere of how I'm reading Day 1. Many people voicing suspicions and pointing fingers, but very few people actually pushing / consolidating / willing to get people lynched. That leads me to believe that we have a more lurky / timid type scum team that is joining on what is available rather than actively working to push lynches. The difficulty is that we have a bunch of lurky town who are doing the exact same thing and letting scum hide amongst them.
My stance upon OO is dependent on if he can back his words with proof - if he can mount a meta case on Vayne and therefore justify his actions and stances, then he doesn't look that bad, given that I don't really find Prom's "scumslip" thing that big, as indicated by my earlier question to him.
People I want to lynch will reveal themselves early tomorrow. If they don't / can't push the cases / suspicions that they voiced in day 1, then we know they were full of fluff and just pretending to look good. You might be waiting a few games to get a full fledged meta case on Vayne. You know, considering this is game 2 for him on this forum here on this account as far as I am aware. If you call me saying him reacting emotionally to Prom when he said that's what he does as town in this very game (and a far as I'm aware that is where this concept originates, that he will get emotional as town when he is headed for a mislynch), why should I believe it? So I take his last game and his explanation from his play there and extend it to here and I'm left with conflicting ideas brought up by his own design that he essentially is authoring his own meta on a game by game basis. All I have to go on is his own word regarding this and that's why I don't trust it as it makes me wonder why it is that you DO. If I precluded my own play this game with "I only get demotivated about the game as town" and then did what I did, would you honestly take my word for it they I pre-emotes my actions with reasoning? Besides all that, meta is icing on the cake and not a sole basis for my case. His points regarding Prp were null, not scummy, and I wanted to hang him for lynching Prp for basically manufactured reasons. His emotional response at 3 votes is absolutely out of this world incongruent with the game state. you're overanalyzing this shitty player, I could never be so sneaky. I have one playstyle and thats it hurrr Don't forget who the main wagons were either. Show me some of that sweet sweet vote analysis you say is one of your strengths. Show us. alright serious face. If you guys are really intent on visceraeyes being a good player (I cant meta this) then he is honestly really suspicious and not just for omgus reasons. just take one look at his voting history this past day, he was pretty much up to lynch just about anyone and anything. Bounced around so much you cant even get any info on him when he flips later. Completely disassociated himself from his voting and seemed indifferent at actually lynching town or scum. Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 04:24 VayneAuthority wrote:
Of course im equally sure that him and prome show up dead tonight, so take that with a grain of salt. You call him suspicious but are sure that he will show up dead tonight? Doesn't compute
point being if he doesnt die tonight, that raises my suspicion of him
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so long, guess I should have wrote a will!
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Any tips for how to play in the future on this website? I didn't really do anything scummy as far as I can see and I had cops checking me and vigs shooting me, etc.
Mafia didnt even have to kill me and my first two suspicions were prp and VE....thats just sad.
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Also good analysis Ace, good read
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also looking through my filter..
2. On May 14 2013 00:54 prplhz wrote:@slOosh You suck
what the hell is that? out of nowhere and then sloosh starts talking a little later...are they in communication or what? so confused by this post.
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so since sloosh and prp were both scum together, was this in fact a scumslip like I thought? or unrelated
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I couldn't thats why I didnt bother commenting on it again
in fact I couldnt convince some one that a really scummy post was scummy since thats not my playstyle, I just get gutreads on people and go with it. Im not very eloquent, I would need a PR role to have impact on the game as town.
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On May 28 2013 06:30 Promethelax wrote:
It worked. Somehow. I'm not sure how he didn't have you as scum after your weak pile on to his day one wagon.
It's funny, I feel really good about my reads this game (besides the Kush one, but more power to him. I've never seen him give so many fucks as town) and think that if I had been town i would have been a top priority night kill and would have lynched a few scum. Playing as sk is really different though, I've never had to try so hard to NOT look townie. There were times I'd leave the thread for pages and pages so people would forget their town reads on me and I pushed stuff I thought was dumb to try to convince mafia I was no threat (like the DP thing, holy fuck was he obviously town).
haha yea I said as soon as I died that you pretty much had to be 3rd party by how you were playing in the obs. It was funny to watch you push weak shit when you're known for being a strong player
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