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I am a Wall street Investor. Which is a self aware miller. | ||
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Yes. I read my role PM i am a self aware miller so I am claiming straight up. | ||
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I understand that there are different schools of thought about claiming miller. But I am of the school that believes it is optimal to claim miller straight away and then get vigged or something worst case scenario rather than getting checked, wasting that check, going 'oh yeah I'm a miller guise don't lynch me' and then wasting a mislynch. Also it is incredibly unlikely that I as scum decided to fake claim immediately N0 for literally no reason. I am good at playing scum and frankly don't need to resort to cheesy shit like that. They only way I would claim miller like this was if I was, in fact, a miller and therefore town. | ||
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On May 13 2013 04:40 ObviousOne wrote: We have a miller claim. He is either: Miller and will show up red Mafia and will show up red Or Godfather or gaming with a framer role as mafia to bait a check So potential cop(s) has one less person to check and a potential parity cop(s) knows to steer clear. Ergo, as I said, analysis will be your salvation. So. Are you just saying nothing here while trying to say something. What, exactly does this add to the discussion? How does listing all the potential 'scenarios' with my claim and then saying they are all irrelevant contribute to the analysis which will 'save' us? And I don't even know what you are saying with the last bit? I would claim miller as godfather when i would come back green? Ridiculous. | ||
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On May 13 2013 05:03 chaoser wrote: So you're against us wasting a check and then possible lynch on you but you're ok with us using a vigi on you? is that what you're saying? that's a wine in front of me thing isn't it (i forgot that acronym...) Getting vigged is a worse case scenario and is better than a mislynch from a blown cop check. Obviously. It is WIFOM but it is also correct. How likely do you think it would be that on the first day I, as scum, would paint a giant target on my head for literally no reason in order to hopefully get a fake claim through? I don't need to do that. I am good at playing scum. It would be terrible scum play. On May 13 2013 05:02 Vivax wrote: Any conclusions from the reactions to your miller claim brah? I think people trying to read anything scummy into it are either scummy or bad TBH. I would actually agree with obvious on it if he didn't use so much fluff in his post. It should be null at worst. Don't waste a check and judge me on my contributions. | ||
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On May 13 2013 05:14 shirokami wrote: actually I have won as scum with stupid early fakeclaim. but well who knows, im just a noob Was that in a newbie? Shit like that only works in newbies generally and as scum it is never worth it to try and pull something so risky so early. Especially when the risk (huge target early N0) is not commensurate with the payoff (don't die to a cop check which i am never afraid of anyway as scum) Literally the logic behind claiming a miller as town is more solid than claiming as scum As town you don't care about being a big target because it promotes discussion and is pro town. As town you don't want to be wasting checks but more importantly you don't want to be mislynched. As scum the better play is to not get checked, because the absolute LAST thing you want is to be a target early. I could easily have played as to not get checked as miller, but it was clearly better for town as a whole to claim for the aforementioned reasons. | ||
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On May 13 2013 05:18 ObviousOne wrote: I'm legitimately sorry that you don't like how I write. I have my past games in my profile if you would like to sample how I write as town (it's actually quite drastically different from my scum play which sucks for next time I roll scum). Please feel free to check specifically into LXI (for your own knowledge, ongoing game) and RED Team's Prize for more recent examples of how my town play goes. How did Keirathi put it? "It's just OO being OO." (paraphrased from memory). My not liking the fluff in your post is literally the least important thing in that post. I don't get why you are being so defensive either. | ||
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On May 13 2013 05:26 shirokami wrote: @DP nah it was some other forum game. Well stupid early fakeclims are still stupid and unnecessary. | ||
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On May 13 2013 05:31 ObviousOne wrote: You say defensive. I say proactive. So you are proactively defending yourself before anyone really attacks you. Seems like intrinsic guilt to me. | ||
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On May 13 2013 05:32 Promethelax wrote: It is optimal to claim self aware miller in a set up with known rolls or something like C9++ where it is known how roles are determined. In a closed set-up self aware millers can or cannot claim but a miller claim is a point against someone not for them. I would argue with DP though on the possibility of him claiming miller as scum. Miller is an easy role to claim as scum specifically in a closed set-up and while DP is a good scum player I still find it quite possible he would fake claim the miller role, there is at least one example of scum fake claiming it on this forum (marv in Normal IV) and that was a good mafia player whose fake claim helped his team quite a bit. For the moment DP is an excellent day one policy lynch based on the claim alone in a vacuum I'd say he is more likely scum than town but we have time to figure it out so I'm not too fussed. If anyone claims miller at any point after n0 we should auto-lynch them, if scum wants to fake claim it they had better do it today (or have already done it today). That is actually true that miller is an auto town claim in C9++ or other open set ups but it is still a good town play to claim straight away in my opinion and others. I am not an excellent policy lynch though, I am a bad lynch period. If you want to kill me use a vig shot. Otherwise wait a while and see. Lynching me straight up is just silly. And I would never claim anything day one as scum, let alone somethign as batshit crazy to claim as miller in a closed setup. I might crumb something. My one and only fake claim was basically forced out of me AFTER I crumbed it and AFTER everyone mass claimed and were pressuring me to follow suit. like just apply some thought to claiming miller this early as scum in a game which most likely contains vigilantes there is no follow up or promotion of a mafia agenda by doing this. it is plain suicide. | ||
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On May 13 2013 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Only think I don't like about your claim is why N0, DP? You're calling for us to waste a vigi shot that could be put to possible better use later on in the game. you don't have to shoot now.... Like obviously I don't want to die. I would RATHER be vigged than lynched though. if it comes to that. Hopefully you can all read my alignment by all the posts I am making clearly outlining the reasons behind my actions. | ||
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On May 13 2013 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: How about you stop defending your sole action and start scumhunting instead? Ah LOL? I just claimed miller and am copping a ton of heat for it obviously. I don't want to get vigged so I am trying to be very clear about why i did what i did. I am trying to establish my innocence. Also half the thread haven't posted yet and you have absolutely fuck all in your filter so why don't you worry about yourself and i'll worry about myself ok? Also telling someone who is already active and posting to start scum hunting doesn't count as scum hunting either  | ||
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On May 13 2013 05:52 HiroPro wrote: obviousone smells bad. I wouldn't mind killing him either. The post where he backtracks on DarthPunk and says "oh, he's suspicious since he's not here right now" seems out of place and looks more like a post from mafia trying to play both sides of the argument. also, if he doesn't put a lot of stock in early claims, why does he even care that darthpunk isn't around after claiming? Yeah i tend to agree that obvious looks like the scummiest in the thread right now. But he could just be bad/new so I want to wait and see if he actually says anything useful. | ||
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On May 13 2013 05:53 ObviousOne wrote: I do not smell bad. I took a shower last night. And shame on you for sniffing me in public. For your own sake stop posting stuff like this and try and post something meaningful. | ||
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I know right? Especially when he has done nothing all game, posts that and then fucks off. | ||
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On May 13 2013 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well everyone who has posted so far besides you are probably town. I'm off to bed, cya tomorrow. I would also like an answer on how the fuck you have a town read on everyone so far? because that sort of shit screams scum to me. | ||
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On May 13 2013 06:04 ObviousOne wrote: No u? Your only claim to towniness is your "miller" claim. Mocsta tried that "I will be transparent with my actions" line and he ended up flipping scum at endgame so I'll just take that as a scum claim from you as well because fuck it, that's my prerogative. Town never needs to say that shit because they just do it by action and it's plain as day to anyone thinking about the game. You do it with words and not actions. You are scummy as fuck with this nonsense. So you are now trying to use someone elses meta to call me scum? This is like the third game in a row someone has tried that on me. Scum every time. | ||
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On May 13 2013 06:04 WaveofShadow wrote: lololol I'm pretty sure I know exactly why he said that. Share your secret? | ||
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On May 13 2013 06:14 ObviousOne wrote: Lol so you just walked into that one. You cherry picked the part of my post I added for you to cherry pick and didn't bother to refute the rest. Scum or 3P, guys. You heard it here first. OK so you put something ridiculous in your post that you KNEW was ridiculous in order for me to point out how ridiculous it was and that makes me scum or 3rd party? Sounds like a post hoc rationalisation of a scummy post to me. The other part of your post that i politely ignored was that i was expressing my intentions about trying to be open and transparent in my explanations directly after the usefulness of doing so was questioned. It was pretty obviously an explanation to someone on the value of establishing my innocence. I have spoken about these concepts in several recent town games so if you want to apply meta how about you apply MY OWN and look through them. Also does every one else notice the massive backflip and OMGUS as soon as I expressed suspicion towards Obvious? Or is it just me? | ||
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On May 13 2013 06:26 chaoser wrote: ok, darth, getting off the defending for the moment and your discussion? with obviousone, who you might have a history with? what do you think of promethelax and ray? what about you obviousone? aside from darthpunk, do you have any thoughts on some of the other players? I don't have a history with obvious. I played one newbie with him like a year ago. Promethelax made a post saying I was an excellent policy lynch because it was a closed set up and I claimed miller and then left essentially. It is the very minimum in terms of contributions but I noted that prom said he would be less active than usual so we shall see. I certainly expect more from him than a weak policy lynch push but he is null. Rayn hasn't really posted anything aside from joining everyone in shitting on my claim. Not really anything solid to go on either. I am not sure what kind of read you can expect me to have on two borderline inactive players. What do you think of my miller claim now that I have answered your questions? What do you think of rayns 'ridiculous statement?' How do you feel about obvious? | ||
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On May 13 2013 12:37 kitaman27 wrote: I guess the point that I'm making is that he acknowledges how an uncontested miller claims can win games in the quote I provided and now he is arguing that a mafia miller claim would be crazy. Not crazy, just not worth it nor consistent with my play as scum. The reason I say I would never do it as mafia is that the payoff is just not worth it. I have never ever been lynched due to a cop check. If I were fake claiming miller I would have gone into this game literally deciding to cheese with a fake claim which only benefit is protecting me from something I have never had problems with and which drawbacks include potentially being vigged and put straight into the firing line. The only way I can see a premeditated instant fake claim being worth it is if you were so bad as scum that you were almost guaranteed to be caught immediately and it was your only chance. As you said earlier, claiming miller straight up is consistent with my viewpoint on miller claims. SO either I A.) rolled miller and claimed, consistent with previous games miller policy. B.) decided to immediately fakeclaim miller out of the blue in case I happened to be DT checked. As oats said the upside to fakeclaim is negligible. It just isn't a safe play for scum to make. It is cheese essentially. all I am asking is to be considered null which I think you will find is also consistent with that quote you pulled. | ||
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On May 13 2013 12:49 kushm4sta wrote: OO is the towniest mother fucker in this thread right now IMO. Really? he is screaming scum to me. Perhaps I am biased. Would you be able to point out the reasons behind your strong town read? | ||
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On May 13 2013 13:23 ObviousOne wrote: Oats capitalizing on DP's suspicions or are you genuinely not sure why he thinks I'm scum? Well considering I haven't wrote a case on you yet i don't think his question could be anything other than genuine. | ||
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On May 13 2013 13:29 ObviousOne wrote: Looks pretty retaliatory from here. Also noting you just had the opportunity to explain it in that post and you squandered it. I poke and prob a bit before pushing hard. You can ask oats. did it to him last game I played. | ||
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On May 13 2013 13:39 kushm4sta wrote: im gonna die because they are afraid of my skills <3 | ||
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On May 25 2013 18:21 ObviousOne wrote: Towns that get lazy deserve to to lose, and thus it is so. That is such a cop out. | ||
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On May 25 2013 19:07 ObviousOne wrote: Re read shiros filter and tell me that if you start from the position that he is scum that everything looks like a scum slip. He was the easiest lynch to push for anyone at this stage =[ Did you read ace's analysis? shiro should have looked townie night zero by the way he was talking about my claim and keeping me accountable by saying he would believe me when I lynch scum. He was a terrible lynch. you can't blame an apathetic town at LYLO because you will lose every game like that. Scum kills the good players first, so you are always gonna be left with kush and grush etc at LYLO (although kush played well best townie left by a long way) It is such a cop out to say 'oh well all the townies were lazy of course we lost' just tell them who to lynch, but more importantly don't let town get to lylo. If town had caught scum earlier it wouldn't have mattered how active/inactive the town was at lylo, they would not have got there. | ||
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On May 25 2013 19:03 ObviousOne wrote: I lied to Kush about my "fake suspicion" on VE the second go-around. I laid the groundwork and had the vote analysis to put the nail in the coffin tomorrow. The bolded is fucking retarded. Why are you WIFOMING around and confusing an already confused town? it is not necessary and is just bad play. If you knew VE was scum you should have fucking lynched him period. | ||
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On May 25 2013 19:25 ObviousOne wrote: Doesn't matter to me if you think it's retarded. Kush started from the position that I'm retarded anyway, how am I going to convince him of anything if he's not reading the game or thinking critically about it once he's "solved the game"? He basically said NO VE IS WRONG and that was that. The voting analysis was literally the only way to show him that he was wrong and I did SNB first because Kush would be receptive to that. Unfortunately he parked his vote, so... You lost once you lynched shiro. The play before that is important, after that you were fucked regardless. If you want to improve looking at your own mistakes is far more valuable than blaming an apathetic end game town (hint: all end game towns are apathetic) | ||
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On May 25 2013 19:31 ObviousOne wrote: And that's why they should lose. That's the whole thing. End game towns have SO MUCH INFORMATION that they should not lose, but they do. Being apathetic is a choice, not a condition. NO. all the good players are dead. Scum shoot the good players and you are left with the 'bad' players. It is a function of the game mechanics. | ||
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On May 25 2013 19:43 ObviousOne wrote: Get some more of this going and your problems will melt away DP. How can you complain at me if, because I've survived to this point in the game, I am by your qualifications bad. Complain to someone who is good. I wasn't complaining at you. I just said you couldn't blame the bad townies because bad townies are always alive at the end due to the game mechanics, and that blaming all the other townies was not constructive if you want to improve so you should focus on what you did wrong. Obviously you can just keep blaming all the other townies if you want. It's your prerogative. Like at the end of the game Oats PM'd me saying he played like trash and asked for my advice on what to improve and we had a nice chat about the game. I prefer that introspective attitude. | ||
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