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Oats and BH:
This post. Read it and understand where I am coming from.
If it's stupid then it's stupid but it's what I'm thinking.
I will attempt to build on it.
On May 14 2013 00:54 WaveofShadow wrote:Haha I just realized something. In almost every game I have played, all of the wagons that have a chance of getting me mislynched early are started by scum. See: kita in The Game. Tunkeg in Ego Mini. I feel like there's another good example but I can't think of it right now. Prom if you'd like proof of this I can post links and shit later on. Here's one actually. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402057¤tpage=64#1272
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On May 16 2013 15:20 Blazinghand wrote:
that just seems to be you omgusing me but i could be wrong i am not a scientist, just a lay person
LOL.
So you appear to understand it here but not my earlier post where I am alluding to the same thing?
WTF BH.
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On May 16 2013 15:11 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 15:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
No kill on Prom/BH worries me. The Vivax shot was honestly smart; the guy seems to pick up a strong blue role every game and every game he gets sniped for it. I can't say it was an attempt to frame me either since BH is still alive as well; despite the fact that he dropped me as prime target yesterday he was making it fairly clear he still wanted me dead. Rayn shot was obvious as well.
Um what? Why would the fact that Vivax rolls blues often be a reason why he was shot? So you are saying it was a bluesnipe? On a vig? Like I dont think there are specific vig blue tells that caused him to be shot, so above post is absolutely BULLSHIT. Show nested quote +
I've already been called out for this, but the fact that Prom and BH are both still alive and both were the primary proponents of me being scum yesterday means one of them must be scum imo. I am aware the Prom never attempted to push me beyond his initial case/suspicion but it fits with what I'm thinking. I'll attempt to build on this as the day progresses but it really doesn't feel good to me at all.
Which one of them is more likely scum cause they pushed you and WHY?
Vivax gets town thinking and has a strong in-thread presence, and overall tends to use his blue roles well. I've never played mafia so to be honest I'm unsure as to how the process of blue-sniping goes but Vivax seems as good a shot as any here.
As far as which I find is more likely scum, I don't know, I have a lot of reading to do. First thoughts obviously because BH is always tunneling me would be that BH is scum and since Prom was actually using his brain that he's town but those wouldn't be very thoughtful or useful reads, would they? Hence me getting my thoughts across to the thread regarding where my mind is at and what I will be trying to do during the day.
If you don't like it, or think it's scummy, you have a vote.
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On May 16 2013 15:23 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 15:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 16 2013 15:20 Blazinghand wrote:
that just seems to be you omgusing me but i could be wrong i am not a scientist, just a lay person LOL. So you appear to understand it here but not my earlier post where I am alluding to the same thing? WTF BH. well there you explain it super clearly "BH is scum because he is pushing me, omgus huehuehue" vs "some weird shit about nks, i am scum so bh is scum because... yeah"
Are you....what? I'm not really sure where you're getting that I am saying I am scum or why you seem to throw it into every post. Are you being a 12 year old and waiting for me to quote you so you can say "THERE GUISE SEE? HE SAID IT! HE MUST BE SCUM!"
I stated earlier I figured both you and Vivax would be killed as an attempt to create an easy mislynch for today; they chose to take out Vivax and not you for whatever reason so I am expressing my thoughts.
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On May 16 2013 15:26 Blazinghand wrote:
martyring is null what planet are you from
and i'm like the #1 guy getting OO lynched, it's people like all people who didn't vote OO due to like badness and stuff that are the reason he didn't getl ynched
lol see, when you flat-out lie, your ego play comes off as really shitty. Plenty of people pushed OO long before you and continue to do so.
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On May 16 2013 15:31 Oatsmaster wrote:OH YEAH I HAVE MY VOTE!!. ##Vote: WoSAgain with the promises WoS. And you didnt fufill the earlier ones. Tsk. Lying is bad. BH, WoS martyrs in like almost every game except this one, and so far he has always been town. I am of the opinion that its the same as selfvotes. Selfvotes are null. Show nested quote +Vivax gets town thinking and has a strong in-thread presence, and overall tends to use his blue roles well. I've never played mafia so to be honest I'm unsure as to how the process of blue-sniping goes but Vivax seems as good a shot as any here. Are you serious? You think that Vivax got killed cause of the fact the he uses blue roles well, Y/N? Show nested quote +As far as which I find is more likely scum, I don't know, I have a lot of reading to do. First thoughts obviously because BH is always tunneling me would be that BH is scum and since Prom was actually using his brain that he's town but those wouldn't be very thoughtful or useful reads, would they? Hence me getting my thoughts across to the thread regarding where my mind is at and what I will be trying to do during the day. Shut up and come back when you have determined which dude is scum. After answering my very important questions. What is great about this WoS, is that you didnt bring this up earlier, oh no you only figured this out now. Wow... Wow.
Yeah, I'm not worried about you two. Continue your campaign of idiocy and I'll do my own thing. Though I am taken aback by the fact that you think that I've lied. Show me where.
And yes Oats, I do think that is why Vivax was killed. I don't think his shot this game was very good if killing Vayne was what he did with it, but the point remains.
On March 22 2013 15:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Day 3 On this day, many of my peers did not return to the circle. The title cards were collected from their seats and read aloud, as was custom. Vivax the SwordShow nested quote +You are the Sword. Once in the game, after night one, you may choose to kill a player at night. If your kill fails for any reason, you will get another chance to use it the next night. Vote wisely. GoodKarma the PriestShow nested quote +You are the Priest. Each night you may PM the mod the name of a player to place in your locket. That player can not be killed by the first kill attempt that night. Sciberbia the FoolWade Fell the MessengerShow nested quote +You are The Messenger. The loyal messenger of this family, you have installed mail chutes in peoples rooms allowing for instant written communication. All the better to confuse and deceive the cursed. You can mason with one player each cycle. You can not mason with the same player twice. In the discordant and endless song of my allies being read off the daily obituary, one note rang out at the end triumphantly, reminding me that indeed victory was within reach. Renewed, I sat at the end of the chair with my confidence intact.
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On May 16 2013 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'm too tired to write anything big now. I just got "home" and need to sleep. Protect Prome/Sloosh. I don't care if VE/chaoser/BH die, even if they are town, as VE is probably scum, chaoser has disappeared since his questions for me, and BH is being useless besides his push on WoS.
Lynch Oats/VE/Kush tomorrow if nothing changes. For Oats, read my and his filter, you should see why. For VE, his vote was bullshit on a person that would never get lynched and the push was really weak. He also calls Oats' list "interesting" but does not contribute to it after, even when asked. Kush is really really bad, but not in a normal townie kush way. Anyone who has played a game with him should noticve this.
shiro/Vivax are odd, keep an eye on them. I don't like Vivax sheeping BH and then saying "I pushed WoS lynch". Vivax also can't possibly have a town read on shiro based on his contributions because that dude is a sneaky bitch sometimes. I am the only one who can really read shiro based on his contributions so far, and i am starting to doubt my read on him. He would never try to lynch me if he was scum (as i would get him lynched before), and it seems like he is trying to cast suspicion on me as some strong players are suspicious of me without doing shit about it. When i ask for reasons he is just joking about it. Other than that shiro just plain out sheeps BH. There is no way he can have a town read on BH, or if he does, he needs to explain it. Also if in any case shiro flips mafia, look at his D1 contributions. He is hesitant to buss or even talk about his teammates unless asked, that would mean all his suspects from D1 are 100% town.
That's all i got for you guys now. I'm really just too tired to make big posts now..
Rayn's last post is mega interesting.
Oats and VE as targets? (I can't read kush worth a shit and he promised some scumhunting so I'm waiting on that).
Oats what do you make of Rayn's pressure on you before he died since your response was....mediocre at best.
On May 15 2013 23:56 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats, somebody asked me if i thought if DP faked his role-name, i specifically asked "why are you so sure wall street investor is a town role?". I don't understand how you can, from that, form a conclusion that i was saying DP is a mafia self-aware miller.
rofl.. huh. INTERESTING. Did you defend yourself from sloosh's case?
Then there's this:
On May 16 2013 14:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
That rayn shot was also kinda weird.
huh.
why not prome/bh/VE???
I think it was also established that the Rayn shot was not weird at all.
These things together plus your play D1....I dunno babes, you lookin' right scummy. Think I'll stick with as my main target from D1 for now. You can be the appetizer before I move on to the main course of attempting to figure out if I'm just being a dumbass about the Prom/BH thing.
##Vote: Oatsmaster
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A big, resounding, MEH.
Kush you're so sure you have to vote twice, huh? I'm taken aback because I don't like being accused of lying. I don't lie. As for Oats not responding to Rayn's post, if you read through the thread at all, (which we both know you never fucking do) Rayn called Oats scum multiple times before and after that point.
"I dunno babes" as a reason to vote me. lol.
I can't wait until the people with brains in their heads actually return to the thread.
Oats, you quoted Rayn's post you didn't respond to yourself.
On May 15 2013 23:56 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats, somebody asked me if i thought if DP faked his role-name, i specifically asked "why are you so sure wall street investor is a town role?". I don't understand how you can, from that, form a conclusion that i was saying DP is a mafia self-aware miller.
rofl.. huh. INTERESTING. Did you defend yourself from sloosh's case?
I'm also still waiting for you to point out how I lied.
Hey let's add to that, how did I claim scum? Need I remind you, like I had to tell BH, just because you say things doesn't make them true.
Off to bed ladies and gents, more scumhunting tomorrow.
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Getting back to thread now. Questions will attempt to be answered (those I have answers to).
But first of all, Jesus christ Prom that post. Knob gobblers made me laugh though, and once again you appear to be the only one with a head screwed on tight enough (at least of those who bother to actually participate in this game) to point out the real ridiculousness of some of play thus far.
I agree my 'boner for me' as you put is probably something I should stop doing but I just can't fight this feeeelinggggg
Nothing yet regarding the you/BH split as I've only just skimmed what I missed since I left.
Gonna go back and re-read your monstrosity now and see if there's anything outstanding before I begin the day.
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On May 17 2013 01:35 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 01:26 WaveofShadow wrote:
But first of all, Jesus christ Prom that post. Knob gobblers made me laugh though, and once again you appear to be the only one with a head screwed on tight enough (at least of those who bother to actually participate in this game) to point out the real ridiculousness of some of play thus far.
Why must you shittalk half the people in this game?
Hey babes.
You still haven't pointed out how I've lied by the way.
And show me how I'm shit-talking half the people in the game. Are half the people constantly tunneling me for absolutely ridiculous reasons? I'd be more inclined to undesrtand when people vote for me if they sat back and actually thought about what they're doing but you?
HAY GUISE LOOK HE THINKS VIVAX IS GOOD BLUE HE MUST BE SCUM.
Now shush. I'm reading.
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Alright Prom I'm ready to for you
/sultry voice
Theorizing about NKs is just one of those things I like to do. Again I agree my game should probably be less me-centric but when I have to constantly deal with people on my ass I can't help but feel everything is revolving around me. If you'll notice that kind of activity slowed down when I was under less pressure. Not necessarily an excuse for my play but it's reality. As far as theorizing about Vivax/BH I've noticed in many games that when I do speculate about NKs it garners me a lot of attention---essentially I was trying to maybe herd the scum to see if NKs on BH/Vivax would actually happen by painting myself as a really great target for town accusations the next day if they both died. BH didn't and Vivax did and I am less inclined to believe that this was because of me. I also thought that maybe by directing attention to MY thoughts on the NK I could get away from...Vivax or Rayn I think it was? Who said it was going to be you, and since I've liked your play thus far (aside from the notion that you could be scum simply by accusing me early) I didn't want you dying.
That is my thought process, such as it is, make of it what you will. Re-reading it now, it's probably pretty retarded but whateva. I'm unconcerned with how it makes me look though it does seem to draw people like flies. Anyway if I can avoid being baited into more stupid useless arguments with BH/Oats today I might actually get something non-retarded done.
Looking forward to the upcoming VE case and I want to look into Hiro as well as you, Prom.
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Oats I think a lot of people are using retarded points against me to try and prove that I'm scum. Like look at Kush. Saying "I dunno babes" somehow makes me scum. Like wtf is that?? It's not half the thread though, only a select few people. I imagine that some of the people putting no effort into actually getting me lynched are dumb town, but some f them might be scum too just jumping aboard and throwing anything they can against the whole, hoping that something sticks. That latter group looks to me like what you're doing.
As far as me putting words in your mouth, do you want to explain how my thoughts on Vivax make me scummy? 'Cause obviously I'm not understanding them correctly.
On May 13 2013 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for my activity, lack of analysis, shit that makes you giggle...whatever.
I'm not getting NKed or mislynched this game, same as every game. You'll know for sure I'm town when I get down to it but until then you're welcome to do as you please.
This is what you're so concerned about, Oats? I don't really see a promise anywhere here. I'm right about the first part though, I can tell you that much. As far as the second part goes, I can't control your thoughts if you choose to tunnel me again without doing any real analysis (or if you're scum, obv). You also don't know if I've 'gotten down to it,' yet.
So there, semantic analysis of my own 'promise' post. Maybe you can find something else absolutely stupid to tunnel me on now?
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On May 17 2013 02:14 Promethelax wrote:
You want me to look into hiro or you will be looking into both hiro and me?
VE, I eagerly await you proving yourself townie. I'd much rather be on your team than against you.
How do people feel about the tubed slots (BM and sinani) I'm not sure how to deal with them since they aren't lurking they are empty. I'm hoping to see mod kills/replaces soon so I guess hold off for now? I dunno, they are on my mind.
Both you and Hiro.
And where the fuck is chaoser?
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On May 17 2013 02:23 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 02:11 WaveofShadow wrote:Oats I think a lot of people are using retarded points against me to try and prove that I'm scum. Like look at Kush. Saying "I dunno babes" somehow makes me scum. Like wtf is that?? It's not half the thread though, only a select few people. I imagine that some of the people putting no effort into actually getting me lynched are dumb town, but some f them might be scum too just jumping aboard and throwing anything they can against the whole, hoping that something sticks. That latter group looks to me like what you're doing. As far as me putting words in your mouth, do you want to explain how my thoughts on Vivax make me scummy? 'Cause obviously I'm not understanding them correctly. On May 13 2013 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for my activity, lack of analysis, shit that makes you giggle...whatever.
I'm not getting NKed or mislynched this game, same as every game. You'll know for sure I'm town when I get down to it but until then you're welcome to do as you please. This is what you're so concerned about, Oats? I don't really see a promise anywhere here. I'm right about the first part though, I can tell you that much. As far as the second part goes, I can't control your thoughts if you choose to tunnel me again without doing any real analysis (or if you're scum, obv). You also don't know if I've 'gotten down to it,' yet. So there, semantic analysis of my own 'promise' post. Maybe you can find something else absolutely stupid to tunnel me on now? LALALA I CANT HERE YOU, YOU ARE SCUM!!! !! !! !! ! ! !. But seriously that Vivax thing? No one, Absolutely 0 people shoot dudes cause. 1. They are good at blues. 2. They roll blues often. You staying with this is really bad, feels like you said something scummy you didnt really think through and now trying to defend yourself.
Or, you know, 'cause it's the truth. I'll even give you an example of my thinking, to help you along. You say that my thoughts on the Vivax kill being a blue snipe are dumb because 'just because Vivax gets blues a lot and might be good at it doesn't make him a good kill this specific game.' Ok, maybe so (never mind the fact that I mentioned Vivax is a good shot anyway even were he green but whateva). Now think to what I constantly say every game that people who want to call me scummy seemingly really hate (and is really going to bite me in the ass once I roll scum):
"I'm town again and never get scum and my scumplay will be terrible etc."
Obviously me rolling town every game has absolutely no bearing on what I get the next game, but I am talking about it anyway to show my thought processes so I can be absolutely transparent, allowing the town to read me in any way they wish. Same goes with my thoughts on Vivax. Obviously just because he seemingly rolls blue a lot doesn't necessarily make him a great kill for that reason alone, but imo it can be a contributing factor, and were I scum it's probably something I'd bring up in the QT. (Maybe they'd tell me I was fucking stupid for it, but I'd bring it up nonetheless.)
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On May 17 2013 02:29 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 02:26 Promethelax wrote:
So oats I get how what WoS said was hilariously stupid. Explain to me why it was scummy? Its scummy cause he didnt want to admit it was stupid. And he also couldnt think of a proper explanation why Vivax was shot.
Oh rearry Oats?
On May 16 2013 15:26 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 15:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 16 2013 15:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
No kill on Prom/BH worries me. The Vivax shot was honestly smart; the guy seems to pick up a strong blue role every game and every game he gets sniped for it. I can't say it was an attempt to frame me either since BH is still alive as well; despite the fact that he dropped me as prime target yesterday he was making it fairly clear he still wanted me dead. Rayn shot was obvious as well.
Um what? Why would the fact that Vivax rolls blues often be a reason why he was shot? So you are saying it was a bluesnipe? On a vig? Like I dont think there are specific vig blue tells that caused him to be shot, so above post is absolutely BULLSHIT.
I've already been called out for this, but the fact that Prom and BH are both still alive and both were the primary proponents of me being scum yesterday means one of them must be scum imo. I am aware the Prom never attempted to push me beyond his initial case/suspicion but it fits with what I'm thinking. I'll attempt to build on this as the day progresses but it really doesn't feel good to me at all.
Which one of them is more likely scum cause they pushed you and WHY? Vivax gets town thinking and has a strong in-thread presence, and overall tends to use his blue roles well. I've never played mafia so to be honest I'm unsure as to how the process of blue-sniping goes but Vivax seems as good a shot as any here.As far as which I find is more likely scum, I don't know, I have a lot of reading to do. First thoughts obviously because BH is always tunneling me would be that BH is scum and since Prom was actually using his brain that he's town but those wouldn't be very thoughtful or useful reads, would they? Hence me getting my thoughts across to the thread regarding where my mind is at and what I will be trying to do during the day. If you don't like it, or think it's scummy, you have a vote.
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VE your case makes sense but yeah I remember having seen it before (a few added details here but the gist is the same). You know the other possibility is literally what OO said and he was going all fucking bipolar and decided he didn't give a shit anymore then changed his mind later on. By the time the deadline was almost up OO had already decided he wanted to live and so he would not have voted himself as town OR scum.
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Fucking grush.
OO why mention you thought something I did was scummy without telling the thread what it is?
Also what ARE your thoughts on Hiro currently?
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On May 17 2013 08:15 ObviousOne wrote:
Let's also consider that the entire mafia team (that was present) had already voted for me.
Day 1 votes
Voting for OO:
Prome - town read
Hiro - null read, closer to town than mafia, going to green for now, also BH doesn't want to talk about him for some reason or at least not with me and that factors in
Rayn - town flip
VA - town flip
sloosh - null read, need to dive him at some point
BH - ??? not scum with WoS, tunneling and being generally useless otherwise, of him and WoS I would put him at scum.
WoS - ??? not scum with BH, defending pretty hard, reads townie to me, of him and BH potentially being mafia I would go with BH but BIAS.
SNB - casts some doubt on VE but wants to flip me or Oats first. Oats getting his vote stolen is somehow reflects as summy on him? Not buying what you're selling here.
VE - scum read
Potentially 4 mafia already on my wagon from my current feel for the game. With 2 completely inactive (sinani, BM) one of those could potentially be scum, so we'll see about that later. Then there's the idea that they have been discussing "why didn't mafia vote for OO if he's going to be a mislynch?" when in fact the simplest answer is that the active mafia already WERE on my wagon. Voting on a policy wagon apparently doesn't reflect poorly on the voters when the offended policy is martyring so I would imagine mafia would have felt comfortable lynching me without worrying about it. A mafia team that is comfortable with defending themselves from the repercussions of a policy lynch would have no qualms piling on, and fuck with vote analysis down the lane.
I was going to post something about this earlier, but I find a mafia pile-on extremely unlikely. It becomes way too easy to dig them up via vote-count analysis at a later date if they do. (Or maybe BM and Sinani are scum together and mafia actually couldn't get enough people together or something....seems pretty unlikely). I'm not sure what that means about why you weren't hammered though.....honestly the more likely explanation to me is that you ARE scum. Is there another explanation?
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Oats changed his vote to Prom because Prom told him to.
And I forgot about the no-lynch on its own being a good option, that may be more likely to me than OO being scum since it allows mafia to do whatever the fuck they want D1; better for them in the long run.
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On May 17 2013 09:16 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 09:00 HiroPro wrote:
to be honest, this game is kind of silly. i still haven't gone through viscera's posts but we literally cannot win (since we won't be able to get lynches) unless one of chaoser/bill/sinani is mafia. The mafia may win this game ![[image loading]](http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdge1qIbGy1rs47u7.gif) but it is NOT THIS DAY! VOTE FOR VE
VOTE FOR MAFIA
Posted gif, can't be scum.
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