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ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 14 2013 22:16 GMT
#1125
There are tons of confirmed townies. Anyone could get shot really.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 14 2013 22:19 GMT
#1128
On April 15 2013 07:18 FiveTouch wrote:
What do you think of Duke claiming and directing his nuke TOMORROW, forcing scum to shoot him? Like, reverse-medic protection. LOL

I'm mostly joking but this might really be a good idea.


Well what we should do is have Duke Nukem submit the nuke by PM and claim the nuke tomorrow... ONLY if that person isn't blatantly obvious town to the thread.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 14 2013 22:32 GMT
#1140
Sigh. You were NOT supposed to claim if you were obv >>

Oh well. Nuke syllo 100%. Though wait as long as you can before doing so (12 hour deadline).

NSB is firmly null for me.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 14 2013 22:37 GMT
#1148
On April 15 2013 07:34 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Well, who do you think we can lynch better tomorrow, NSB or Syllo?

I kind of like using it as a vig shot; aim it at trash.


That doesn't matter. Nuke Syllo because he's scum. It has nothing to do with Palmar's read - Syllo was making a show about reading filters and coming up with an alternative lynch target and never did so. This was his best effort:
On April 15 2013 05:42 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 05:31 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Honestly, at this point I'm not going to lynch Prom.

Vivax420/NSB/WWoC

Pick one, bros.

I could get behind vivax420/nsb/FMB, who looks actually like a good wagon if vivax is scum. I'm not feeling the woc.


Combine that with his general apathy for playing this game and you have yourself a scum-team member.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 14 2013 22:41 GMT
#1155
Godspeed.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 14 2013 22:51 GMT
#1162
If syllo is scum, the last one comes down to NSB/WoC/Mock
Hapahauli/jampidampi
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 14 2013 22:55 GMT
#1165
Syllo's words on WoC don't mean anything. Scum give out legitimate town-reads all the time.

My best guess is Mock. Spends a ton of time talking about Reyn on Day 1, and does nothing to follow it up or vote him.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 14 2013 22:56 GMT
#1169
On April 15 2013 07:55 John Matrix wrote:
WTF? Mock is like 90% town
He was tunneled all day long by raynmaster.


Oh lol forgot about that.

Well anyway Tunneling itself doesn't matter. Only committal suspicion is allignment indicative.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 14 2013 22:57 GMT
#1171
It would be rather disappointing if NSB was scum =/
Hapahauli/jampidampi
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 14 2013 23:02 GMT
#1175
On April 15 2013 07:59 John Matrix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 07:56 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
On April 15 2013 07:55 John Matrix wrote:
WTF? Mock is like 90% town
He was tunneled all day long by raynmaster.


Oh lol forgot about that.

Well anyway Tunneling itself doesn't matter. Only committal suspicion is allignment indicative.


Rayn spent MOST of day one trying to sling shit at mock and you think that doesn't make him likely to be town.? You think oats and rayn would bus all day one? From like the start of the game onwards?

0_o


I've seen that happen many times. I was in a scum-team with Jay and Xatalos, and they literally flung shit at each other for DAYS. The important thing was that they never actually committed to lynching each other.

So yes I think it's very possible. Because other than that, there's nothing to really suggest that Mock is town.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 14 2013 23:03 GMT
#1176
Anyway I'm not going to draw any conclusions now. I'm not sure who the last scum is, we need to hear more from Moc/WoC/NSB, and we need to see Syllo flip.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 15 2013 01:45 GMT
#1199
I have to say I do rather like how Mock is handling himself right now.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 15 2013 16:57 GMT
#1359
FiveTouch, just to note, neither of you has done any scumhunting since raynmaster flipped.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 15 2013 18:05 GMT
#1381
Just gathering some points about WaveofCheececake:

CC gives Hapa the towniest of townreads with no reasoning to back it up, but still suspects MockArmour for changing his read on Hapa to town. If you really thought Hapa was town, wouldn't it be only natural that others would come to the same conculsion? I can't see a townie seriously thinking that Hapa is the towniest of towns while suspecting others for giving a townread on Hapa.

Their opinion on raynmaster is a weird one. It starts with CC declaring that rayn is scummier than MA, stating that he'll tell later why. He tells us only after the lynch why he thought rayn was scummy, with just a couple of lines he could have dumped in the thread at any time really. CC votes rayn stating that he is sheeping, why is it sheeping if have a scumread on the dude? Why didn't he just say that he had had a scumread on rayn and votes acording to it? Seems odd.
            Waves stance on rayn is also a odd one. To start with, he doesn't find rayn scummy in the slightest even though he knows that rayn isn't in CC list of townreads. Wave says several times that he and CC haven't discussed rayn. Yet instead of trying to tell CC that rayn is town, atleast when he last read him, he trusts CC and votes rayn. Seems odd that he abandoned his townread on rayn and trusted CC, even when CC didn't tell him, what made rayn scum. If you had a townread on someone, and your mason partner (hydra equivalent) told you that someone was actually a scumread of his without providing reasonings, would you believe him? I don't think so.

WoC contributions can summed up as: tunneled MockArmour and defended himself. Aside from some minor points on whomever WoC suspected, thats it. Not very much.

All of this make me think WoC is scum.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 15 2013 18:15 GMT
#1382
^ All the posting in the last few hours has been jampi. I'm not sold in WoC, and would probably prefer to spite-lynch NSB tomorrow for being useless.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 15 2013 19:00 GMT
#1384
On April 16 2013 03:57 John Matrix wrote:
syllo if you flip town I'm going to yell at you a lot

Why do you suddenly think he'll flip town?
Hapahauli/jampidampi
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 15 2013 19:30 GMT
#1387
I-would-bet-my-left-nut-these-guys-are-town:

InsertSmurfHere – Duh

JohnMatrix – Double Duh

FondleMyButtocks – Should be reasonably clear that the FMB wagon was a mislynch wagon based on how many people were soft-pushing him and how the votes panned out.

MockArmor – Two things:
1) Their defense last night was very townie. The whole “fuck you I am confirmed town” defense seems incredibly difficult to pull off genuinely as scum.
2) Raynmaster’s actions strongly suggest he’s town. He got into a shitfight with him, then 180’d his read calling MockArmor town. That doesn’t seem natural for Rayn to do with a person who he knows is guilty (i.e. they’re probably not scumbuddies).


Paranoid-of-these-guys-but-shouldn’t-be-lynched-tomorrow:

FiveTouch – The obvious point is that he was pushing mafia-objectives on Day 1. He was shutting down discussion on Raynmaster and lightly resisting the lynch until the very end of the day (when VE suddenly voiced his support).

However I would need to have a better idea of NSB’s alignment to really pin down his actions. Marv’s major lynch push was NSB. Obviously if NSB is scum, he looks better. If NSB is town, this looks an awful lot like a cop-out from doing any actual scumhunting at the end of the day.


Should be considered for lynch tomorrow:

VIVAX420 – I’m actually fairly worried about him. Vivax hasn’t done very much, and Kush’s half (despite being suspicious of Rayn early on) bears an eerie resemblance to his scum-game in Witchcraft Mini Mafia. I think Yamato’s description of Kush’s play was fairly accurate:
On April 16 2013 01:10 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
According to Yamato, Kush is a massive troll and only ever busses as scum. So if he calls someone mafia that flips town, he's probably town.

As odd as it sounds, the fact that Kush didn't like Rayn bothers me. I'll reread again later.

Kush has a very difficult time coming up with original content when he’s scum, so his play revolves around doing stuff he knows is correct: attacking teammates and defending townies.

This is basically what he did in Witchcraft Mini as scum – he showed a general lynch apathy on Day 1 between a bunch of lurkers, then started bussing his teammates on Day 2 and beyond. In addition, he had a few oddly timed town-reads that he hard a hard time articulating.

Also the Vivax half hasn’t been all that townie. There’s just very little content or analysis out of either of them. They state opinions, but often have scant rationale for them.

Am I convinced they’re scum? Not at all. However I believe they deserve a careful look tomorrow.

WaveOfCheesecake – I’ll preface this by saying that my gut-read is that they’re town. I’ve been generally disappointed by their effort, but CC’s play seems very similar to his town-game in British Mini II. He seems a lot less concerned about his image in this game, and in his scum games, he definitely tries to make a show of looking townie by being active/spammy.

That being said, he should be considered for lynch, since I really need to hear more from him in order to get a better read on him.

NutralSurvivingBalrog – Should be lynched for being useless as fuck.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 15 2013 19:36 GMT
#1388
As for Syllo, I'm a bit annoyed by how he's handling this situation. I can certainly see him acting like this as a disheartened townie, but he's not giving us enough to call for an anti-nuke, and I still think his lynch-actions were very likely to come from scum-syllo.

After he votes FMB, he beings to share sentiment arising in the town that the vote-count looks a ton like a mislynch:
On April 15 2013 04:48 SamuelLJackson wrote:
This vote count looks suspiciously like a townie lynch. One wagon and 4 votes spread around?
Marvel, since you are here, are any other options viable today in your opinion? I could use some leads on who i should spend my time on.


Then he makes a show about wanting to carefully consider other options:
On April 15 2013 05:30 SamuelLJackson wrote:
@vivax420 I took a quick peek at your filter and it seems you both agree on the FMB lynch, are voting for someone else and now you are pressuring me to move my vote away from him instantly when I'm considering other options?

On April 15 2013 05:42 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2013 05:31 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Honestly, at this point I'm not going to lynch Prom.

Vivax420/NSB/WWoC

Pick one, bros.

I could get behind vivax420/nsb/FMB, who looks actually like a good wagon if vivax is scum. I'm not feeling the woc.


While he did say he was going to bed in 30 minutes or whatever, I find it hard to believe that he disappeared in the middle of his deliberations on finding an alternative lynch. He apparently decided not to care, leave his vote on a guy he had misgivings about, and go to bed. It's hard for me to rationalize that from town-Syllo.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 15 2013 19:41 GMT
#1390
On April 16 2013 04:39 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Those are all Sandro, I left over an hour earlier


So Sandro decided to fuck off and not do anything. That doesn't exactly look good.

Anyway are you going to provide us with your own reads or not? Whining about it isn't going to get you un-nuked.
Hapahauli/jampidampi
ShotgunBiceps
Profile Joined April 2013
171 Posts
April 15 2013 19:45 GMT
#1393
The anti-nuker can claim at any point and he would be confirmed due to lack of counter-claims - there would be no need for him to actually shoot down the nuke.

And if I was the anti-nuker, I'd be certainly "daft" enough to let it land, because you've spent the majority of the last day whining about your situation as opposed to scum-hunting. In fact the only scum-hunting you've actually done is tell is to sheep Palmar. Really?
Hapahauli/jampidampi
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