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ShotgunBiceps
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On April 13 2013 08:52 InsertSmurfHere wrote: You're completely missing the POINT. TOWN VE could make a post like that, and YOU fucking know better, yet you insist that it's alignment indicative. Town VE could make a post like that for sure. HOWEVER I find it more likely that scum-VE did it. Stop being a dumbass Yamato. | ||
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ShotgunBiceps
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You keep singing the songs of "BS" but refuse to explain why that quote isn't scummy. Even if you don't believe agree with me, why do you care I'm pursuing this? Hell we're going to get information out of VE from this, which both of us should value at this point. Unless you think he's town. If so, inb4 scum-Yamato's meta-case on VE. | ||
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ShotgunBiceps
171 Posts
On April 13 2013 08:55 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Ok Hapa, I don't know shit about you or your thought processes. Please tell me: 1. Your favorite color 2. Your age when you first kissed a girl 3. Why you think that comment was shutting down discussion 1) Blue 2) 16 3) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406683¤tpage=13#250 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406683¤tpage=13#259 | ||
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ShotgunBiceps
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But seriously you guys should vote VE. No one has yet explained why his comment isn't objectively scummy. It's even objectively scummy for VE. | ||
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ShotgunBiceps
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On April 13 2013 09:07 InsertSmurfHere wrote: No, it's not. You fucking know better. Says the guy who voted me because I'm "trying too hard" | ||
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ShotgunBiceps
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On April 13 2013 09:09 InsertSmurfHere wrote: That is not my case. Lol, you scum Hapa. Lol u town Yamato Though is your case something I should be taking seriously? I've been under the impression that you've been angry-trolling thusfar. | ||
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ShotgunBiceps
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Anyway can we just be friends again? My Buddying invitation is re-extended =) | ||
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ShotgunBiceps
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On April 13 2013 09:08 FiveTouch wrote: No one except for....the accused! No but you're proving my point here. Scum do this all the time. This mentality of "all this discussion sucks! See you when we reaaaaaaly start playing" is something I've seen scum do time and time again. Most recently, Mr.CC in Noir Mini, who spent the early-game shutting down policy talk and being angry at early-game discussion for no reason. | ||
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ShotgunBiceps
171 Posts
On April 13 2013 09:17 InsertSmurfHere wrote: I don't want to be friends with mafia. Alright, well we can be friends when you emerge from your tunnel or whatever it is. Then you can fondle my buttocks with FondleMyButtocks But let's talk about VE a bit. You think he makes comments like that all the time, and I vehemently disagree. Granted I'm no VE meta-expert, but he's usually very pro-discussion in the early-game as town. And here I'm faced with this quote that is the exact opposite - calling everything boring and promising to watch paint dry. I think that goes quite against town-VE's mentality. | ||
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ShotgunBiceps
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On April 13 2013 09:21 FiveTouch wrote: I could almost forgive all the bullcrap you spouted before, Hapa, but you're clinging on for dear life here. That's some rather lofty rhetoric there marvel-babe. I'm rather comfortable with my vote so far =) His comment isn't 'objectively' scummy in the slightest, he was saying he was bored with all the trolling. Yes, and it was the manner in which he approached it that is scummy. It wasn't just that he was bored with it all - he was criticizing discussion without making any attempt to move it in the right direction. Idle and objectively-purposeless criticisms such as these are scummy Mabye people don't understand the read I'm trying to explain. I don't think it's subtle, but maybe I need to make a longer post about it. Do note in his last town game he was down to serious business within half an hour of first posting in the thread on Day 1 (The Game). That wasn't his last town game. And what's even your point? | ||
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ShotgunBiceps
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On April 13 2013 09:21 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Scum VE quite often is pro-town and not disruptive, when town VE makes random comments against thread sentiment all the fucking time. I understand comments against thread sentiment, however that's not what I'm going after. VE criticizes the direction of the discussion, and proceeds to do nothing about it. But I think it's becoming clear to me that you don't understand the read I'm trying to make. It isn't that VE is making some random stupid comment or against thread sentiment - that's pretty darn normal. It's that VE is making a comment with the sole purpose of being negative/critical about discussion, and from what I've seen from VE, he rather likes the early-game banter. Anyway do you understand my read or not? I'll make a longer post about it if you don't. I am a VE meta-expert, I've played with scum VE many times. Ok and I haven't. If you can point to me a similar comment that he's made in a past game, I'll take a gander, but I've never seen VE take such a negative attitude to Day 1 discussion. | ||
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ShotgunBiceps
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On April 13 2013 09:31 FiveTouch wrote: My "point" is that you're saying this isn't like town-VE, whereas town VE after a brief flurry of introduction usually gets down to serious business. You're the one making the contention. ~marv Firstly it's VE that should be talking in his defense, not you. Secondly, I don't believe that's a valid meta-argument about VE. He does that as scum too. Therefore I'm going to pursue objectively scummy actions. | ||
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ShotgunBiceps
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On April 13 2013 09:32 VIVAX420 wrote: Shotgun, VE being openly lazy and careless doesn't make him scum, I have to say that keeping to push that as only reason for thinking he's scum doesn't look good, why don't you inquire further if you have a suspicion instead of defending your argument? Well I'm waiting for VE to respond. Hard to pursue my suspicion when several people are sheidling him. In fact I'd love nothing more htan to have a 1v1 conversation with VE right now so I can sort out if my read has more basis or not. Unfortunately people aren't letting me do so. But it's creating discussion, so I suppose that's fine. | ||
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ShotgunBiceps
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On April 13 2013 10:21 VIVAX420 wrote: Are you reading this game wtf.... obviously we have both talked and there are huge differences between how we talk. -kush Yeah I wasn't reading very carefully whilst responding to like 4 people at once. Anyway yes you're both on, however that does reveal how little you've posted thusfar. All I see in your filter read-wise is calling VE a drama whore and soft-pushing suspicion on Yamato. | ||
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ShotgunBiceps
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On April 13 2013 10:28 FiveTouch wrote: I didn't go anywhere - your response didn't satisfy me and I'm trying to read other people instead of you because I'm afraid I'm biased now. SnB/Draz did nothing but +1 your initial suspicion of me and then fuck off. Interested in what they have to say about stuff now. Ok what's not satisfying? Now is as good of a time as any to take care of that. | ||
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ShotgunBiceps
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On April 13 2013 10:35 FiveTouch wrote: Well for starters, you never adequately explained how me coming in and joking about watching grass grow is more likely to come from a scumVE than a townVE. In fact, I can't understand your motivation at all. First of all, I've been in here openly discussing everything with everyone, INCLUDING you. You ignored the majority of my filter in support of your weak accusation, and still assert that it's scummy to you, you just can't be fucked into explaining why. So how does me joking about exciting grass mean that I'm attempting to stifle discussion? ALL evidence points to the opposite, except for the one joke post you quoted. I'm in the same boat as Yam at this point - I know you're better than this. My initial thought was "Oh, he's got to be fishing for reactions" or something but you're not - you want the thread to believe that you genuinely find me suspicious for this...and that's suspicious to me. Well the interpretation was that you were trying to shut down discussion by calling it boring. Noir Mini (and Mr.CC's filter) being fresh in my mind, it reminded me of his early-game... sample: On April 02 2013 07:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Blah blah blah policy blah blah Policy: Don't go full retard mode if you're town. Savvy? You'd think this would be common sense by now. THe post is really dismissal/critical of early-game discussion (policy-talk). And of course it's not just limited to CC - scum tend to do this since they are generally anti-discussion. Your post is fairly similar: On April 13 2013 08:27 FiveTouch wrote: Well this is exciting and everything, but I've gotta go watch grass grow. Sorry, if it was anything less thrilling you know I'd be in here instead, but DAT FUCKING GRASS MAN. Again, very dismissive/critical of early-game discussion. You claim it's trolling/non-serious, which is an alternative explanation, but admittedly one I'm not completely satisfied with. Anyway I'm at a point where I can't well-articulate my suspicions against you, so questioning you further is fruitless for the time being. I'll likely revisit you/marv in 24-hours or so with a fresh mind. In the mean-time, let us post and converse. | ||
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ShotgunBiceps
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In fact, I can't understand your motivation at all. First of all, I've been in here openly discussing everything with everyone, INCLUDING you. As for motivation, it was half-forced half-real. I do like jumping on things very early on, because I feel that it's the best way to get discussion going. At the same time though, I'm not going to jump on something I dont' believe in myself, and something about that quote still is really off to me (but enough about that). It's something I've done in the past to some success (against DP several times). Was it a wise choice this game? Dunno. It certainly heated up the thread, but Yamato going after me mid-way through my push threw me off and made me lose a lot of focus midway through the push (hence me not reading things carefully and going slightly retarded toward the end). | ||
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ShotgunBiceps
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On April 13 2013 10:47 VIVAX420 wrote: Hapa I think you're seeing things. Voluntarily or not, that's still to determine. All I see is VE saying that he's about to go away for a jokish reason, but then being there anyway. How does that post imply that he wants to stop discussion? Is he asking you to stop talking with others? The bottom line is that I'm not pursuing this thing any further (atleast not that quote anyway). I can't articulate it well, and therefore I probably should be looking to other things. I posted it more as an explanation to VE. | ||
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ShotgunBiceps
171 Posts
On April 13 2013 10:55 FiveTouch wrote: But I'm questioning you here, not the other way around. We'll change topics when I'm satisfied (being the point in the first place right?) Now, Cheesecake's post is very obviously critical in tone and verbiage (blah blah policy blah, full retard, common sense, savvy?). That much is true. What I'm failing to understand is how you came to the conclusion that I must be pushing an agenda of stifling discussion by me calling the discussion "boring". Boring doesn't mean "useless" or "stupid" or "common sense" or anything dismissive at all. It means that reading it was making me bored. Why no hate at Palmar for fucking off to watch Watchmen? Why no hate for WoC for this? I mean, he's in your accusation of me and everything, and here he is, drawing eyes off your case on me with this drivel. No hate for the Cheese? Why no hate for CC? Because that post was made me giggle uncontrollably. His play so far also has a very different tone from his scum-games. His light-heartedness seems to indicate town. As for Palmar, that's kinda what he does. I didn't go after him for it for three reasons: 1) It's non-alignment indicative of Palmar 2) Palmar's alignment is usually fairly obvious on Day 1 based on his interest level. 3) I got caught up in 4 conversations at the time. Also keep in mind that the posts of CC and Palmar are not negative or detracting of discussion. They're just troll-posts. You're making the case that yours was as well, but we've gone over that already. Only hate for VE. It stinks of pushing an agenda. This is my problem. What's bad about going after one player? Tunneling is the nature of the business. I'd like to think I've made why I went after your post as opposed to others pretty clear just now. | ||
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