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marvellosity
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On April 08 2013 02:26 Palmar wrote: @marv. Write me a list of three or four names that are the scumteam. No reasoning needed at all. Also, write me a list of 5 town reads. Use at least two one sentence to justify your read. If you can't read me properly by now, I see little reason to dance to your tune. | ||
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On April 08 2013 03:17 Ace wrote: I didn't vote WoS yet only because I was waiting on him to come in and explain himself after the "where is the claim I can't find it?" post. I don't know if you read my last response with WoS but it's all cleared up on that end. WoS didn't understand what I was asking and I didn't understand what he meant by stating he already claimed. The marv part was me seeing marv following the same thought process I was and not seeing the potential WoS lie. Unlike WoS who I had a misunderstanding with, marv says WoS didn't claim. If he didn't claim, but he stated he did claim then there is a lie there. Marv somehow missed that. Since marv claims to be a good player I don't see how he could have missed that. Does this make sense now? and yes the shhhh post was me hoping iamp didn't spoil a potential trap  But we've already moved past the claim thing. The issue is resolved. Because it's irrelevant. Obviously I didn't miss WoS coming out saying he was town at the beginning, because it was my basis for voting for him, mostly. So what the fuck are you talking about? Speaking of such things, I'd expect a player who has been playing for several years to remember if they had their vote on somebody or not: On April 07 2013 08:45 Ace wrote: I also believe it's possible it really was a genuine reaction. Which is why I unvoted him and asked him that question to confirm my reasoning. However, where does the sciberbia vote come from? Can you explain that? If you believe that WoS is playing straightforward, then based on the information you have - why isn't sciberbia being afforded the same courtesy? Nothing in his play so far seem out of the ordinary so what stands out to you that warrants a vote? For reference, in case you forgot, you did not. So you can't unvote him. But that's ok, I shouldn't expect you to remember who you have your vote on, right? | ||
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On April 08 2013 04:06 prplhz wrote: about axle i guess i moved on for the while. he's not clear at all but his filter is full of weird chezinuish crap and i just don't feel like deciphering that right now. Can you tell me why you were askign the thread about Axle when you've played and shared a QT with him? I don't get this. | ||
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On April 08 2013 04:16 Palmar wrote: I also want this to help me decide. But whatever. When in doubt go with my original gut read. ##vote sciberbia You want details on my townreads to help you decide your lynch? *glares* If you're gonna vote sciberbia you're going to have to tell me why you still feel his posting in the 2nd half of this game so far keeps him as mafia. I would lynch Ace with you easy peasy. If you genuinely want to talk about people with me, I'll be home in 20 minutes and we can figure things out, but I'm not sure sciberbia is gonna fly unless you can point towards something that will make it fly. | ||
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On April 08 2013 02:39 Palmar wrote: I think I'll start eliminating people I think are town and then just lynching into the rest of the players. DP looks pretty towny iamperfection looks pretty towny I really liked Tunkeg's case so I guess I'll say he's town for now Axle to me looks quite towny I'm town. This now leaves a 7 player pool I'm considering trying to lynch. sciberbia WoS Ace Marv prplhz Oats slotmachinedude Does anyone think it's unlikely that 2-3 scum are in this list? yes to iamp, towniest guy in the game Palmar quite townie, sincere posts Tunkeg I had to go back and check, but his push on WoS looks good, and also this post caught my eye: On April 08 2013 04:37 Tunkeg wrote: I will give this a final push now that we got a deadline. Lynch fucking WoS! He haven't even bothered answering my call out to him, and haven't even bothered to make a singular attempt at making one good case on prplhz! He is basicly in the thread doing nothing!!! Tell me what I can do to convince you guys that he is scum? Because I am certain he is! And frankly I am great at catching scum (no matter what you believe/I am just bad at pushing them). I very rarely have my vote on someone that isn't scum, the only exceptions are when I get agitated at someone and let my anger cloud my judgement. I am in no way angry at WoS, I have read and analysed him with an open mind, I have reevaluated my stance on him (comming to the same conclusion as before), and I am certain, 100 % that he is scum. I know some of you think I am a clown who can't play this fucking game, well, if I am wrong here you can go back to thinking I am just a shit player, but I am not, and you will credit me for this lynch. WoS is my wagon, and my lynch. Now get on it! You will thank me later! Spefically what I've bolded townies usually say. From a personal POV, for obvious reasons I'm usually much more reticent talking myself up when I'm mafia. DP - iamp doesn't have anything to say about him, you seem to think he's townie having read our tete-a-tete, so let's go with town. Axle leaning town but I'm not sure at all. what he's posted feels fine, but he screamed townie to me in Noir and I haven't had the same feeling here. He is right though when he said that there are more players and there are weird interactions when experienced players play together. I can understand how it looks weird looking in. Oats I'm really quite sure is town. Like my top 3 towns are probably iamp/palmar/oats, I think in that order, but 2 and 3 are close. I've seen nothing to make me think he's mafia and I caught him super easily last time he rolled mafia. This leaves rayn prplhz Ace WoS sciberbia I thought rayn was townie originally for his splurge on the thread, now i'm not so sure because he's disappeared. I don't know where to put him. prplhz was getting scummier to me as he continud to do nothing until he came in this evening and pursued something actually worth pursuing with Ace. Seems to be putting himself at risk by taking on Ace, dunno why he'd choose Ace of all people if he was mafia. sciberbia looks better for actively seeking out you and me to try and talk to us about things, rather than just dropping analysis posts and fucking off. WoS I think is still a good lynch. I'm kinda inclined with the benefit of hindsight to agree with what Tunkeg said about his posts last night. What bugs me is that he made those posts, the votes moved off him, and he didn't feel the need to post again. His push on prplhz reads more as constant sniping at him rather than a sustained push, like Tunkeg is doing for example. And he's sneered at me and my abilities on 2 or 3 occasions this game despite calling himself unsure and insecure. Ace is pushing bad lynches and bad ideas, and he's not even doing it off his own back. In Paranoia he LED the terrible lynch on me along with wbg his lapdog. And in The Game he LED the terrible lynch on VE. Here he only calls Oats suspicious after sciberbia does; he only gets on my ass after DP does, he votes Oats for being a 'distraction' and genuinely seems to use the argument "if oats is playing like his townself and his townself gets him in trouble, he must be mafia for playing exactly like he does as town because he should change his playstyle". Whatever. In addition the strange obsession with the WoS claim that has no outcome I can see, the fact he says there's no reason to unvote WoS before conceding that his posts felt genuine and that was a reason, he's constantly discrediting you (Palmar) but he's too scared to call you mafia, he just keeps jabbing at you, he's done it several times, and I can't see any reason for him to do this if he's town unless he thinks you're mafia, but he seems too scared to actually make that claim. So yeah, the last two are who I'm looking at to lynch today. | ||
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On April 08 2013 04:51 WaveofShadow wrote: You're wrong, and I'm not getting lynched today. I could revert back to a lynch on Ace, marv/Palmar since I am less sure of prplhz now as per my reasoning earlier. I don't know if you'd call scib not voting me a 'save' per se, but no he did not vote for me if I remember correctly. Hmm, I missed that you'd backed off prplhz when I made my post back there. I think that makes Ace my clear preference to die. ##Vote: Ace | ||
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Ball is kinda in your court, Palmar. | ||
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On April 08 2013 05:02 Palmar wrote: My only problem with Ace is that he does this silly trap thing as town too, I remember arguing for a long time with him when he created one of those stupid traps, I ignored it and explained why and how I was town, and somehow I had fallen into his trap. Obviously we were both town. Anyway I do agree Ace spent a lot of time this game obsessing about stuff I found irrelevant or stupid. But again, the no-hammer on WoS is still bothering me. @marv you've just said a few things that I did not expect you to say, thus I can't help but feel there is a chance something is off. But maybe there isn't something off, and reducing the pool would be quite helpful. I'll talk more later. Let me just turn this back around on you, and you maybe can understand why it's stupid. One of the things you found off was the bugs/policy lynch/serious thing. Fine, we've talked about this. The other part you found off was the fact that like a few pages in to Day 1 I wasn't reading you as strongly town. Look at this situation, where I've given you a fuckload more material to work with than you had me by that stage, and you're still wishy washy on my alignment. That is *way* more "off", if you want to call it so, than me not being strong town on you during the beginning of the game. Flip it around and see things from my point of view. The difference is, I'm not pursuing you for it like a nonce, although I could be. | ||
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On April 08 2013 05:03 sciberbia wrote: I'm confused by your saying that I am "monumentally inconsistent and confusing" but not saying I'm scum for it. Do you think I'm being monumentally inconsistent and confusing but that I'm town? This wasn't really a specific bitch at you at all, actually. It was more confusion that I was being pushed for pushing the exact 2 reads that Palmar was pushing, and yet magically somehow I'm in trouble for it and he's not. But never mind, that isn't important at all. Anyway, it's not that I think more townie of Palmar for pushing me, but I was already thinking town on Palmar due to the rest of his filter, and I was already slightly worried about you due to the rest of your filter. Also, you've seen me play quite a bit and I know you think I'm an asset to town. As far as Palmar is concerned, I'm just some guy who beat him as scum by surviving to the end of the game. So when I see you both pushing my lynch and I don't see a lot of great reasoning for it, it reflects worse on you than it does on Palmar. Ok, this helps me understand your perspective, and it makes sense. OK. But Palmar clearly thinks both yourself and Oats might be scum, and you have a townread on Palmar. I still think the "you should be able to see Oats is town" is a bad scumtell on me or anyone else for that matter. Mafia isn't an easy game. For what it's worth, I'm also feeling better about Oats recently. He seems to be trying to move the thread forward now, and he is consistent in his defense of you and eagerness to sheep you. Can you point me to one of his scum games? I couldn't find any. Scum in LIX, I was smurfing as FiveTouch if you want to check my filter and how early I caught him. My first post I believe. | ||
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On April 08 2013 05:07 WaveofShadow wrote: Marv why have you expressed such willingness to sheep Tunkeg without analysis of his case on me? I'm curious. Reading the thread is a useful skill. The first quote came after Tunkeg's case which came *after* I had laid my votes on you with my reasons. So it was saying I agree with some banter Second post, if you would read the post I made within the last twenty minutes, it should be kinda obvious and I have no idea why you're asking me this question when it's on the last page of the thread why I could kill you. | ||
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On April 08 2013 05:16 WaveofShadow wrote: No it's your constant buddy-buddying of Tunkeg that gets at me, and yet no one's had a look at him. I'm pretty sure he's town but if this Ace train is actually a-rollin' all the way to the finish line it gives me time to look into him. Well, there isn't really a fancy explanation for this, but Tunkeg and I have had a ..... fractious, shall we say, history. I came into this game not wanting to have a shitfest with him (I believe I alluded to this before the game started) like I usually do, so I'm being nicer with him than I'd normally be with people within a game. Plus his push is good, so that helps. | ||
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On April 08 2013 05:33 WaveofShadow wrote: Your 'creepy feeling' amounts to nothing. Can you explain to me how my sheeping of an apparent joke vote from marv onto Ace with admittedly weak reasoning (which I STILL DO stand by, btw) is scummy on its own? People sheep all the time in this game; hell Oats ASKS people to sheep him every game. The reason I was worried about appearing scummy for removing my vote is because the simple fact that my vote was still ON Ace at that point in time appeared scummy and there was no point in time at which removing it would have been 'ok' in the eyes of town. The thing is, as a general rule townies worry about this less than scummers. If a townie doesn't want his vote on someone, usually they just take it off because that's how they feel. | ||
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General rules are general rules, they might not always be right, but generally scummers tend to be more worried about how they appear to the thread than townies do. That's simply fact. | ||
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