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Let me address a couple other things just to clear it up since I'm on the chopping block (as it can happen any second):
I am aware Scib gave me an easy out with regards to my vote on Ace and I took it. I still don't like him though but since it was obvious that an Ace lynch wasn't going anywhere, my already defending my vote on him would look scummy basically any time I decided to change my vote, so whatever.
As for my meta being different between this and basically every other game I've been in....the only real difference is my activity. I even commented on that in the postgame of The Game I think; not going to be spammy anymore and I'll talk and make reads when I feel they're necessary. Change in playstyle doesn't indicate scum. All you vets especially who have to smurf because of exactly this reason, you should be well aware of this.
Lynch away if you will.
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On April 07 2013 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'm starting to think WoS is actually town.. Cna we lynch sci?
Lol.
Are you serious?
I REALLY dislike your play. If I could somehow make it seem worthwhile for the town to lynch you, I would.
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On April 07 2013 03:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Do you have someone you REALLY want to lynch?
Prp?
Yes, actually.
##Vote: Prplhz
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So where's the hammer, bros?
Something holding you back?
Ace apparently wants to keep me alive for some reason, scib thinks I'm town so it won't be them.
Iamp? Axle? Gotta be one of you two.
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Oh I guess it could be DP as well but I think he has more sense than that; seems he learned from his mistake in The Game.
Also sorry for the spam; I'm just trying to give you guys something to go on in case I die.
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On April 07 2013 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 03:34 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 07 2013 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'm starting to think WoS is actually town.. Cna we lynch sci? Lol. Are you serious? I REALLY dislike your play. If I could somehow make it seem worthwhile for the town to lynch you, I would. You have said multiple times you want to lynch me because you think i am stupid and you dislike my play. Why do you vote for prplhz now?
No, you are wrong and I have shown you to be wrong; your reading comprehension is shit bad. I have only just now mentioned wanting to lynch you---I defy you to show me anywhere else in my filter I have said so.
Marv, Scib doesn't look great to me but I'm not sure of him either way. It's entirely possible he's hard defending me because he is, you know, actually RIGHT about me, but due to the conspiracy-theory-esque nature of my thinking that I just can't seem to ditch, I automatically assume ulterior motives which is not enough to vote him in my opinion.
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In The Game Ace showed that he actually cared about the lynch and what was going on in the town; trying to prevent us from making the 'huge mistake' in his eyes of not lynching VE. Show me one instance of him having done so in this thread.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: I don't like that certain players get free passes in mafia for whatever reason, be it Grush, Ace, Wriggles, whoever.
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On April 07 2013 03:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
Prp is the lowhanging fruit in pretty much every game, what makes him scum FOR YOU WoS?
I've already explained why I think he's scummy. Then you told me he does this every game so I had to sit back and consider if this is just another case of 'herp derp newbie trying to come in and understand veteran play.'
THEN I get called out for withdrawing a little by Marv only because I took your statement into consideration:
On April 07 2013 02:20 marvellosity wrote:
In LX and especially The Game, he was active, involved, and in the thick of things. He made conversation about all kinds of things, volunteering information and his thought process left, right, and centre.
This game he's bitched at rayn repeatedly without ever calling him mafia, he called prplhz mafia, totally recanted it, and then put suspicion on him anyway, and... and... uh, yeah, that's it.
I don't understand what similarities you think you're drawing.
Here's another reason for you though; consider how lurky prplhz has been throughout this entire game. He comes back now just to throw in his vote in a convenient position on a wagon that looks like it's headed all the way to lynch town. Doesn't have to worry about starting said wagon, doesn't have to worry about being the hammer vote, and can disappear back into the shadows. Once again no one throws suspicion on this because "it's just the way he plays?" I'm sorry I'm taking a stand against that attitude.
FUCK THAT ATTITUDE. If you look scummy to me IN THIS GAME, then you look fucking scummy. I don't give two shits how long you've been playing mafia on TL and how many people know you, and what you usually do.
Prplhz is scum, and that's what I have to say on the matter.
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On April 07 2013 05:11 Ace wrote:
I've been busy WoS. I actually don't think you should be lynched at the moment, as I think Oats is a far bigger distraction. Marv is just talking nonsense as always.
WoS since you're at L-2 right now don't hesitate to claim when the next person votes.I'm not gonna hammer you unless that situation resolves itself. For now tho:
##vote: Oatsmaster
Claim what? I already did.
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I'm just catching up right now, but I never lied.
Did all of you seem to forget my claim in my very first post?
It wasn't a joke.
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Prlphz: who do you find scummy right now and why?
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I have a question of interest for people but since all of the action in this thread seems to happen when I'm not around I'll save it for when I can actually respond.
My vote stays on prplhz for now, and I would like to hear marv's and Ace's response to the idea that I did not lie about the fact that I claimed. Off to bed for now.
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I'll be around now, I was around earlier today but I was out for a couple hours and apparently the 'active' times in this game are quite unlike many of the games I've been in so far. I think it's the ratio of UK/Aussie/Europe/whatever.
Axle I think I remember reading some threat where you're going to vote me if I don't respond to you, I don't give a fuck about that but I'll re-read whatever it was you posted and see if I can actually decipher something you've said for once.
Marv before I left last time I had asked you why exactly you and Ace seemed to think I was lying about my claim and you never answered. I think it was you as well who called my early posting 'derpy' and I'd like to know what about it you find as such.
Oh and one more thing Marv, what are your thoughts on the so-called 'Kenpachi rule?'
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On April 07 2013 08:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 08:45 Ace wrote:On April 07 2013 08:41 Palmar wrote:
I don't know how you approach a situation Ace, but I generally assume most players are somewhat naive and straightforward until I know better, as I explained earlier, it requires some basic thread comprehension skills to pull what WoS pulled when under heavy pressure. He may be getting advice from someone of course, or he may just be a better player than expected, but for now I think the simple explanation is that WoS isn't scum and his reaction was genuine.
So yes, it makes absolute sense to unvote WoS given the information I have. I also believe it's possible it really was a genuine reaction. Which is why I unvoted him and asked him that question to confirm my reasoning. However, where does the sciberbia vote come from? Can you explain that? If you believe that WoS is playing straightforward, then based on the information you have - why isn't sciberbia being afforded the same courtesy? Nothing in his play so far seem out of the ordinary so what stands out to you that warrants a vote? Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 05:11 Ace wrote:
I've been busy WoS. I actually don't think you should be lynched at the moment, as I think Oats is a far bigger distraction. Marv is just talking nonsense as always.
WoS since you're at L-2 right now don't hesitate to claim when the next person votes.I'm not gonna hammer you unless that situation resolves itself. For now tho:
##vote: Oatsmaster WoS never claimed, you never had your vote on him, you didn't think he should be lynched at any point. Stop making shit up, Ace.
You don't seem to believe my first post is a claim.
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On April 08 2013 01:35 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 01:33 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 07 2013 08:48 marvellosity wrote:On April 07 2013 08:45 Ace wrote:On April 07 2013 08:41 Palmar wrote:
I don't know how you approach a situation Ace, but I generally assume most players are somewhat naive and straightforward until I know better, as I explained earlier, it requires some basic thread comprehension skills to pull what WoS pulled when under heavy pressure. He may be getting advice from someone of course, or he may just be a better player than expected, but for now I think the simple explanation is that WoS isn't scum and his reaction was genuine.
So yes, it makes absolute sense to unvote WoS given the information I have. I also believe it's possible it really was a genuine reaction. Which is why I unvoted him and asked him that question to confirm my reasoning. However, where does the sciberbia vote come from? Can you explain that? If you believe that WoS is playing straightforward, then based on the information you have - why isn't sciberbia being afforded the same courtesy? Nothing in his play so far seem out of the ordinary so what stands out to you that warrants a vote? On April 07 2013 05:11 Ace wrote:
I've been busy WoS. I actually don't think you should be lynched at the moment, as I think Oats is a far bigger distraction. Marv is just talking nonsense as always.
WoS since you're at L-2 right now don't hesitate to claim when the next person votes.I'm not gonna hammer you unless that situation resolves itself. For now tho:
##vote: Oatsmaster WoS never claimed, you never had your vote on him, you didn't think he should be lynched at any point. Stop making shit up, Ace. You don't seem to believe my first post is a claim. 'claiming town' is hardly a claim. Marv: right, so its a gut thing. hmm.
Why not?
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I'm curious as to what makes a town claim scummy exactly.
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Oh before I forget, let's get to Axle:
On April 07 2013 09:59 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 03:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh I figure I may as well give you a little more to go on since you're all pretty dead-set on killing me.
I don't like the idea of scib hard-defending me either., I'm thinking he's taking a page from kita's book in The Game where he's trying to get me to give him a townread so that he looks real good when I flip. Null for now but defs keep an eye on him.
Personally all the business with Oats/DP/iamp/whoever just seems to me like townies going at townies. DP seems very town to me specifically.
In this game I think scum are much more likely to be in the lurky category. Prplhz and Ace/Axle? Would you give us more to go on if we were not about to? and why only a little if you are so sure you're about to be lynched? You're going to call me out on use of the word 'little?'
Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 03:34 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 07 2013 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'm starting to think WoS is actually town.. Cna we lynch sci? Lol. Are you serious? I REALLY dislike your play. If I could somehow make it seem worthwhile for the town to lynch you, I would. So this time you definitely say want to lynch him, do you find players when you "REALLY dislike your(rayns) play" have tendency to flip scum?
I am not sure now nor was I sure then whether Rayn is scum or not, only that his entire first day was dedicated to the disruption (and failure at it) of town, and the post where I told him I'd like to lynch him because of it was just another example of horrible play, baseless accusations and flip-flopping which has not helped town do anything at all. If you'll notice though I haven't actually voted for him because despite not helping himself, people have done a good job of ignoring his shite, preventing him from mucking up the thread and preventing discussion. I will return to him if need be but I can't ascertain as to his alignment at the moment---if his shit play continues I will be more than happy to lynch him after we've hammered in our first scum whether he is scum or town. He is not doing us any favours this game.
Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 03:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
So where's the hammer, bros?
Something holding you back?
Ace apparently wants to keep me alive for some reason, scib thinks I'm town so it won't be them.
Iamp? Axle? Gotta be one of you two. I live in the wrong time zone, and went to sleep so I could be awake when scrib came back. However you have apparently not read my meta, from noir (ongoing game), I wouldn't hammer you yet I had more questions.. + Show Spoiler [LOL personal request] +(BTW if someone sees noir end, pls unless you need to, still dont talk about what happened after n1)
Cant see why you would, but Id like to read it without flips later.
Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 03:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 07 2013 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 07 2013 03:34 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 07 2013 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'm starting to think WoS is actually town.. Can we lynch sci? Lol. Are you serious? I REALLY dislike your play. If I could somehow make it seem worthwhile for the town to lynch you, I would. You have said multiple times you want to lynch me because you think i am stupid and you dislike my play. Why do you vote for prplhz now? No, you are wrong and I have shown you to be wrong; your reading comprehension is shit bad. I have only just now mentioned wanting to lynch you---I defy you to show me anywhere else in my filter I have said so. Marv, Scib doesn't look great to me but I'm not sure of him either way. It's entirely possible he's hard defending me because he is, you know, actually RIGHT about me, but due to the conspiracy-theory-esque nature of my thinking that I just can't seem to ditch, I automatically assume ulterior motives which is not enough to vote him in my opinion. I will ask you very explicitly.... Why did you in this post... What thought did you have, if as you now explictly claim you were not mentioning him as a lynch target? Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far?
I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits. use reasonably graphic and evocative language to describe his play? Was there a purpose to this post, did his play look scummy at all to you? hence did you at that time see any reason to lynch him? If not why did you inflame the situation? and then effectively pass it to me?
To me, Axle, you're diving way deep into the language I used for no particular reason because you think you're exceedingly clever and have stumbled upon some unconscious scumslip. Why did I write what I did? Simple. His play was pissing me off. Nothing more, nothing less. Why did I use the specific language I did? Because I felt like it. I had no desire to lynch Rayn until I said so; before that point I just wanted him to shut the hell up and start helping out the town, which he showed no indication of wanting to do.
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On April 06 2013 19:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 19:36 Palmar wrote:On April 06 2013 19:33 Tunkeg wrote:On April 06 2013 19:30 Palmar wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Sciberbia
I think this is the direction I want to go in. Could you at least give us some reasoning? I already thought he didn't look very good, then I very much did not like his big post on Oats/Iamp. Maybe I'm insane here, but I really don't think it's reasonable to push oats at the moment. Also sciberbia has a few of those indirect question things I don't really like, I mentioned it in my first post against him, this validation seeking thing. Alright. You don't realise this because I've kept my cards close to my chest so far this game, but I agree completely with everything you've said about the people I'm suspicious of. I agree about the big post on oats/iamp. He spent several paragraphs defending iamp when he only had one serious detractor at the time (DP) and I didn't find the push on Oats very reasonable either (maybe you can guess this from my reaction). Also agreed with the validation thing - talking about setup is fine, except he kinda didn't even really give an opinion, he was just fawning at you. The problem I have is that what you picked out from WoS about his town-claim is exactly what I picked out (and incidentally made me feel much better about YOUR alignment). I find it bizarre as shit that you're the only one to mention it in those terms actually. Just to repeat for anyone who's not me & Palmar: Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 09:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Phew. Real happy I rolled town this time around; I feel really bad for whoever is on my scumteam when I roll mafia for the first time.
It felt disgusting to me, and I've not actually been able to stop thinking about it all game. It's been like the main thing in my head. Because it doesn't take very long, I went back and had a look at the opening of all WoS's games yesterday. He's always rolled town, and he's never mentioned his alignment in his opening post in any of the games he's played here so far. So in this game, he rolls town for the... 6th? time or so, and for some reason, in this game, he decides to tell us that he's town, and worse talks about feeling bad if he rolls mafia. I don't understand the mentality here at all if he's town. He's rolled town again as per usual, and for some reason this time decides to tell us that at some point he'll be shit as mafia? What? I could write more about WoS and flesh out the case if it's really necessary. Suffice to say (and basically what Palmar/Tunkeg) have said, nothing he's said or done since has alleviated the feelings I got from this first post. I think he's a better lynch than sciberbia. ##Vote: WaveOfShadow
Haha wow Marv, I really expect better here from what I've heard of you. You REALLY see no town mentality behind this? How about the fact that I've played 5-6 (I forget) games now and in NONE of them I've been scum, and am therefore actually worried about the fact that when I do roll scum, I will let me team down because I'll suck?
Since you're using meta to make this argument against me, maybe you should look back into my previous games and see if that fits with my meta of being unsure of myself, speaking my mind, telling the truth, etc.
So many people always looking so much into what's not there. You'd think after seeing so many other people do it and fail all the time I'd learn this lesson myself when concocting mad conspiracy theories.
By all means though, if you think a townclaim on a whim is enough to get me lynched, go for it. You said you don't even remember why you unvoted me in the first place, right?
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Now since I'm actually going to be around a bunch today, I don't want to spend it defending myself when there isn't any real reason for me to; I just wanted the rest of the misconceptions about me cleared up so people can have a good idea of where I stand. If people still think I'm scummy in spite of that then so be it.
On to prplhz: is there ANY reason why this guy isn't already dead? Like, I don't get why there are votes split between scib and marv when at least they're trying to make themselves useful (marv moreso than scib I would think). Marv especially is actively contributing when one could argue scum barely needs to do a damn thing in this game thus far.
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On April 08 2013 01:52 iamperfection wrote:
I didnt want to pull this out so early but you guys are forcing my hand.
prplhz is now the wagon of Justice
He is the scum right in front of us and should be killed preferably tonight since im starting to get blood hungry.
Better not mention blood or Axle will call you out for being scummy. If you're in the driver's seat of the wagon, can I ride shotgun?
Ah, I miss actually posting in a mafia game.
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