TL Mafia LXI

On April 21 2013 19:36 Palmar wrote:


I think the absurdity and yet strange value of this heuristic makes Vivax very likely to be town. To the point that almost nothing would make me want to lynch him today.

Discuss.

On April 22 2013 00:01 Palmar wrote:


Almost correct. In theory I could, although unlikely, but if I was scum I would probably make a bigger deal of it, and not move on to more productive things like chasing oats.

The fact you're essentially correct brings mixed feelings. I'm relieved not having to argue with you. I'm also worried you were just a tad too confident and quick to reach a fairly complicated conclusion.

On April 22 2013 00:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BztYu18cOor9cTdUMTFjdmYtVXM/edit?usp=sharing

protown cheese is protown, sharing all the protown information.

On April 10 2013 10:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


this

On April 23 2013 06:37 Ace wrote:
To all you people lurking the thread lets get some consensus going. Right now I've got my vote on yamato but Vivax's case on Oats looks like an even better lynch. These are our top two suspects at the moment and imo, our best 2. do not stall these fucking wagons unless you've got a really good case of your own. Else wise the discussion should be focused on these two for now. Arguments for/against either of them will be greatly appreciated.

On April 23 2013 07:07 Vivax wrote:
Moar preferences between Oats and yamato pls, I'm feeding your answers to a document.

VE, would you prefer Oats over Yamato? You just say you'd get behind a lynch, but if you had to choose?

On April 23 2013 07:13 Palmar wrote:
I could do oats.

also never forget that VE is superscum.

On April 23 2013 07:15 Palmar wrote:


why so shit then?

On April 23 2013 07:41 yamato77 wrote:
If it makes you feel better, I'll vote Oats.

I'd rather kill VE, though, for saying he's trying when he admits his vote is pure OMGUS shit.

On April 23 2013 08:08 yamato77 wrote:

I was on Oats before that case was posted. Like I said, he should definitely be lynched. I mean, it's all in mobilizing town. That isn't going to come from me. town gives zero fucks about what I say.

On April 23 2013 08:19 yamato77 wrote:
Difference is, I clearly don't care enough to change how I'm playing to avoid getting lynched,

On April 23 2013 08:39 Ace wrote:
could it be that yamato and Oats are both Scum but Oats has a great role so they want him to live for one day?

On April 23 2013 08:45 yamato77 wrote:
Let's make horrid association cases before flips, guys.

Totally good scumhunting, and works so well every game.

On April 23 2013 08:46 yamato77 wrote:

I'm totally all about lynching you today, bro.

It's the theme tunnel-of-false-contribution of today.

On April 23 2013 09:23 Palmar wrote:


I suppose that's somewhat accurate.

Also because you haven't been yelling at scum, I like overzealous borderline-crazy town VE. He's a friend and I miss him.

So yeah, until my "lazy ve is scum ve" is ever wrong I'm sticking with it.

On April 23 2013 09:26 Palmar wrote:


I ignore you cause I usually don't agree with you, that doesn't have much to do whether or not I can tell your alignment. And I almost never give you shit?

On April 23 2013 06:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oats' early game looks like a weak attempt at aggression too. He's quick with accusations, but slow with follow-up or explanation. This is a stark contrast from previous games I've played with him as town when he's all over the thread dumping opinions and calling people out.

I could get behind an Oats lynch.

On April 23 2013 11:39 Oatsmaster wrote:

VE case basically.
Also I dont think this feels like normal mini, like he is being more active, 'helping' town, not backing down, not tunneling.
Although his last scum game was a while ago.
(SO WISHYWASHY)
yeah I dont wanna lynch him today at least yeah.

On April 23 2013 10:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Because fast lynching me, I flip town. So like Ego mafia where you dudes fast lynched Ace, no info no nothing bro.
##Unvote
##Vote: Yamato

On April 23 2013 10:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
19) Yamato77: Dont know, feels like scum yamato, case on VE says otherwise . Scum yamato doesnt post cases like that AFAIK

On April 23 2013 11:55 Oatsmaster wrote:

Mini's and large games.

Also lotta boring posts , nomination was way more interesting.

GIVE ME MORE TIME, I NEED MORE TIME.

Ace scum or not?

On April 23 2013 11:44 Oatsmaster wrote:

No I said,
Why Sharrent? There has been absolutely no other discussion on him? Why not discuss the things that are currently issues in the thread?

On April 25 2013 05:13 Palmar wrote:
I need a few things cleared up to proceed.

On April 25 2013 05:22 yamato77 wrote:
VE, I hope you shit leprechauns. I'm thirsty for red blood, and you're a prime suspect.

On April 25 2013 05:44 Palmar wrote:


because your version of mason is super-stupid?

On April 25 2013 05:56 yamato77 wrote:
VE, wanna give us a WIFOM bomb about your scumbuddies before you get lynched?

I always love those.

On April 25 2013 04:45 ObviousOne wrote:

May have taken a double tap as this sort of reads like a veteran crumb. Not seeing anything that overtly shows mason.

Checking out his latest scum reads.... Clarity, Rayn, ShiaoPi, before that it was the quote above. Of the three, only one is shared by many of the people who have posted in the past ~12 hours: ShiaoPi. And a warning to watch for BC which sort of goes along with what Artanis just posted about not killing vets as part of camouflage.

On April 25 2013 06:07 kushm4sta wrote:
mafia factional KP can't be blocked?? then he is pretty close to confirmed town as far as im concerned.

On April 25 2013 06:20 Palmar wrote:


VE is trying to be like me.

On April 25 2013 06:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
wait i seem town???? Lol cool.

Ill have to discuss it with him in the qt first yamato

On April 22 2013 12:32 ShiaoPi wrote:


At least more content than your last answer. If TRN only had a small chance of actually being mafia, why did you vote him? Isn't that fulfilling your own conclusion that you are mafia, by virtue of going after the lynchbait? What the fuck dude?
Now what do you make of all the others who also defended TRN? All team mafia??
What do you say about Ace and others who also had a townread (or at least null) on TRN?

On April 25 2013 07:45 yamato77 wrote:

That quality time is never going to happen.

Just a helpful from your friendly neighborhood scumkiller.

On April 25 2013 09:19 yamato77 wrote:
What's with people telling me how to play?

I know exactly what I'm doing.

On April 25 2013 09:24 Palmar wrote:

so you're absolutely convinced yamato is town?

On April 23 2013 00:33 Palmar wrote:
lazy ve is scum ve

##Vote VisceraEyes

On April 25 2013 09:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:

VE, who have you called scum in this game before this case?

On April 25 2013 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
rofl

On April 25 2013 09:49 grush57 wrote:
idk what to do i've never been in a game where palmar was right

On April 25 2013 10:03 Palmar wrote:
I would consider a clarity lynch. But VE is a better and safer choice.

On April 25 2013 10:36 getmoript wrote:
VE, if your town just shut up and find 3 rock solid cases. Have a Yamato-Nomination moment. As you told Palmar last game, "earn a NK." If you're scum, then just piss off like you did in PYP.

On April 25 2013 10:41 yamato77 wrote:
I was more than able to identify you as town in RTP.

I'm seeing some of that this game, but not much.

I will say, if I'm wrong about you/Ace/BC, my wanting to lynch the fuck out of Palmar would rise unimaginably.

On April 25 2013 11:03 getmoript wrote:

You clearly want to play the role of town who wants to get out of the game. Either vote yourself so we can move on with shit or pick you balls up out of the trash can and do something. Right now you're looking more like me than a good player.

On April 25 2013 11:08 Sharrant wrote:
Viscera, have you had a chance to read over Clarity's filter yet? I want to be sure you've read his filter, and have taken the time to think about him before I post this.

On April 25 2013 11:11 Sharrant wrote:


Okay, just let me know when you've given him a read over.

On April 26 2013 04:19 getmoript wrote:

So no one knows you're town?

On April 26 2013 04:26 ObviousOne wrote:
Let's talk about Ace instead of insulting each other's intelligence.

Ace seems to have gotten the hang of the thread sentiment and is acting accordingly. Does town Ace conform/blend just the same?

On April 24 2013 06:57 tube wrote:
Where's drazak?
Inactivity should be pushed.

On April 26 2013 04:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
why would town jail BC?

On April 26 2013 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
EBWOP

Actually given that town could have jailkeepers or medics. not having jailkeepers makes sense given that town has no real need of rbers,

On April 22 2013 06:06 Palmar wrote:


tbh this should result in a modkill.

It's super unfair to the mafia that he's allowed to reveal information about the nature of the hydra and how it interacts with the host that results in everyone just assuming they're town.

It's also super unfair to town if they're somehow mafia despite all this.

On April 25 2013 05:44 Palmar wrote:


well yeah. In my games you get modkilled for directly asking the host a question in the thread, although I guess I also run my games a bit differently. In fact, what I did, imply that I was going to ask the host a question would probably get me modkilled in my own game anyway.

So I wish I had just kept my mouth shut about it until BH clarified.

thanks BH, for explaining.

On April 23 2013 00:48 Palmar wrote:
also being inactive in this game is unusally scummy because BH sent a pm to everyone in the game 24 hours before the game started which required a response to be in the game.

So everyone here is fully aware when the game started and reminded of it very close to the start of the game. So being afk or saying nothing is almost inexcusable.

On April 26 2013 06:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


Because I feel Yamato is 100% scum whereas the other two could be scum or third party. Of those two I would lynch Palmar first though

On April 23 2013 07:13 Palmar wrote:
I could do oats.

also never forget that VE is superscum.

On April 23 2013 00:31 Palmar wrote:
List of probably town:

Bill Murray
getmoript (QT thing)
Vivax
slot machine dude
hopeless

list of maybe town:

Ace
grush
cheesecake
kush
Sylencia
TheRavensName

list of who knows:

WaveofShadow
Tube
Drazak
Clarity_nl
Sharrant
Yamato77
ShiaoPi

list of bloodycobblers:

BloodyCobbler

list of somewhat scummy fuckers (based on absolutely nothing):

DoctorHelvetica
ObviousOne
Oatsmaster
giggles

On April 26 2013 06:25 Hopeless1der wrote:
Someones bound to point out that Palmar's list was immediately followed up with



Note the timestamps for reference, he knew what he was doing with that list. However, I agree with VE that Palmar has yet to take hold of the town in any meaningful capacity.

On April 26 2013 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Palmar doesn't always express his thoughts clearly, that's what i have learned during the last couple of games. I'm not sure he is 100% town but his reads seem accurate. To me it seems like your case on him is you trying to make the evidence (which i think is false) to fit your case and your case on him points more to you or even Ace being scum than him, because if we are honest here, neither of you have done jack shit to find scum this game.

That's what i think, and that's why i think we should lynch you.

On April 26 2013 06:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You have not done anything to find scum. I think it's very clear. You voted for geript with no reasoning, then voted for BM with no reasoning, voted yamato purely because of OMGUS. Then voted for Oats with this:

This is what most people figured out added to Vivax' case, at least i did aswell. Went wrong there. On D2 you voted for ShiaoPi based on what Vivax said before. You have failed to contribute to anything relevant that has been going on in thread in D1-N1. How is this "doing anything"?

I agree that Palmar has not done anything to find scum. Why i am voting for you instead of him is because his reads are basically the same as mine.

On April 26 2013 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:

A single contribution in 7 pages of filter which is an addition to a case already made and accepted by many people. That's not much in my eyes.

On April 26 2013 07:22 tube wrote:
Tunneling VE- his activity shift under suspicion gives me a blue read.

Largest threats are those who gradually shifted away from posting once people started attacking them, as if waiting for the suspicion to tide over. Stop defending them in their absence or you're scum.

Personally I think we should start voting Stutters until he posts.

On April 26 2013 07:24 tube wrote:
It's all about posting.

On April 26 2013 07:24 tube wrote:
He posted, vote TheRavensName guys.

On April 25 2013 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote:

No, the post was written from the perspective that yamato posted his from - that he's town being told how to play. I'm not absolutely convinced of shit, but frankly his N1 posting looks a hell of a lot better than his D1 posting which I took issue with.

On April 26 2013 07:36 getmoript wrote:
Is him trying to infuriate you specifically scummy? He was annoying in both hydra and PYP. How does that make him scum?

On April 26 2013 07:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Uhh.. how does that make sense as you seem to agree with BC on his case on yamato?

On April 26 2013 07:50 getmoript wrote:
@VE: didn't you admit this game that your scum meta is to lurk in comparison to your town meta? Why are you proposing that activity is alignment indicative regardless of the player?

On April 26 2013 07:54 getmoript wrote:

NM I read it wrong. Let me take a different tack. Why would you expect both palmar and Rayn to be scum?

On April 26 2013 07:59 getmoript wrote:
Dont you think that two scum coming out and supporting each other almost exclusively would be strange? Would palmar as scum trust another player like that? You know him better than me.

On April 26 2013 07:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:

But BC didn't even ask you about yamato. Why did you think it was necessary to say that in the first place if you didn't think BC (your town read) is on the right track? I'm really confused about this...

On April 26 2013 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Something else that really bothers me is that a couple of times Palmar has talked about players who should be modkilled or how HE modkills in his games (like that's pertinent to finding scum in the LEAST anyway)




But when it comes to actual real modkillable offenses he's completely silent. Like tube's lack of posting for example. Why is Palmar ignoring tube, a player who has made literally one post in the game when Palmar has said the following?

On April 26 2013 08:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:

But that's the reason why i don't understand it. What is there to fear if you have atm nothing to say to the case? Did you think BC is gonna call you out for not responding to his yamato case?

If you got nothing to add or nothing to straight up disagree, why make a useless comment about the case in the first place?

On April 26 2013 08:23 GiygaS wrote:


The bolded may have just become a whole lot more meaningful.

On April 26 2013 08:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I think it's kinda WIFOMy. If i was using that as evidence i could say why didn't VE bring up DrH/Stutters & Drazak/Artanis? Does it make him scum?

On April 26 2013 08:29 GiygaS wrote:

I think Palmar looks scummy for it. Before I honestly just considered it reaching, but now that tube has come up as scum, it is something that is notable in whether Palmar is scum or not. I'll be reevaluating my opinion on him after reading his filter again.

On April 26 2013 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Hi.
VE Town, BC case bad.
Any question?

On April 26 2013 08:36 ObviousOne wrote:

I'm leaving for a couple hours to hit the gym in a few minutes. I'm also sort of looking at what's unfolding based on my early push of you today and it's interestingly polarizing. Sorry it had to be you. I can't read you. I thought you were mafia in LX. I knew you were mafia in Nomination and Hydra Mini and Boardwalk for reasons you already know. I really want to get a better handle on your town game mentality, so I will be fishing through your old games to get a slightly better handle on you but I will not be providing a meta case unless it will be for me to decide if I want to push you further.

Originally after I said I wanted to vote you, you started to go for sheeping Vivax's final read. I thought wow, that's convenient, he's on to the same case as the most recent confirmed town. Wasn't pleased. I am warming up to you and you have certainly given me enough to work with for my own private meta read / feel of you. Your interactions with my main scum read are slightly suspect because you are both essentially calling each-other town and I want to take that viewpoint into consideration regarding BC when I read his most recent contributions again after going through your old town games.

I am glad you didn't actually ragequit about the Rayn thing. Yes it's annoying when he seems to make shit up, but I've realized after three games together with him he sees things a little bit differently and I take his accusations with a grain of salt. His attack on you where he made shit up doesn't necessarily make him scum to me, because he did the same exact thing in Red Team's Prize (our first game together).

On April 26 2013 08:37 getmoript wrote:
@VE. What's your read on Giygas?

On April 26 2013 08:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

The only host-WIFOM I've used was regarding getmo being town. I haven't contributed much because I got replaced into a game and I've been too lazy to read up.

As for the plan thing, all three previously named vets being town together AND keeping them alive triples the risk, therefore I found it unlikely that none of them are scum, thus it reduces the playerpool to look at significantly. You may be aware of the fact that I hate big games. This would be an easy way to reduce the amount of people to look at for the day. Also, I'd rather not have scumvets solve the game for me. They would solve it in a very unpleasant way.

On April 26 2013 09:54 getmoript wrote:

Town. I see no reason to question the roleblock/jail. If he was roleblocked by town, then odds are he was the second NK. If he was roleblocked by scum, then he's almost certainly town.

On April 26 2013 09:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I'm pretty sure you are just a townie who is on the wrong track. I can understand your thought process quite well, but if you think Ace is now playing in a town mindset, that is not a reason why he would be mafia. It's kinda stupid to assume so. What if Ace was just uninvested on D1?

You should probably look into people you think are scummy now, or throughout the game. Of course if you think Ace has done some stuff on D1 that really points to him being scum then ignore my words, but if that's the case, please point those actions out.

On April 26 2013 10:03 grush57 wrote:
we must kill the palmar

On April 26 2013 10:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well what do you think then BM calling Tube town for "wanting to get rid of inactives like Drazak" then?

On April 26 2013 10:30 VisceraEyes wrote:

BM is ever a mystery to me. I'll have to look into his filter to answer this sufficiently. Being wrong doesn't mean that he's scum...and Palmar wasn't "wrong" about tube, he said "I find inactivity exceptionally scummy in this setup" and proceeded to ignore an inactive that ended up flipping scum. That IS scummy.

On April 26 2013 10:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I really hate this. But there are none on TL. I've checked.

On April 26 2013 10:21 grush57 wrote:


It was a batman joke, I think he is pretty scummy though.

The giygas case kind of failed, however it had some points and I wish we could get some traction on his lynch he is so scummy!

He also does the scum trait of constantly saying, I have to do something I'll answer later. In my case that is usually afk and let other scumplayers take over or wait for advice in the qt.

Not to mention the fact of fake contributing.

On April 26 2013 10:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE how often is:
1) Palmar wrong about you
2) you wrong about him
3) you attack each other when both town?

On April 26 2013 11:03 Sharrant wrote:
Phone posting and I hate it. I'm 2 pages from being caught up With the thread but I'm about to be on the subway. Can post in 2 hours. Palmar should not even be up for debate today. When I get home if anyone is still going after him I will fight you tooth and nail on this.

Ve is not on the chopping block either. Talk to you guys soon.

On April 26 2013 11:45 Bill Murray wrote:

im not sure tube is town 100%
it was a specific question about him... i wouldnt EVER bring up tube... hes mainly null from me... havent seen much out of him

On April 27 2013 00:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


Being absent and not telling people is a towntell.bScum make sure people know they arent actively lurking.

On April 27 2013 00:32 WaveofShadow wrote:

This. I think I have a little time now so I'll re-look into him and I want to look at Giygas as well; I know one thing many people have mentioned in post-game analyses recently that people don't look into dead people enough and Oats did want to lynch Giygas real early. I remember his reasoning being dumb or non_existent but worth looking at I guess.

On April 27 2013 00:34 Sharrant wrote:



You're not lynching palmar today, and that's final. Lynch clarity or with me. Or explain how other people jumped ahead of him in terms of scumminess.

On April 27 2013 04:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
ShiaoPi isn't even reading the thread. He insists that Kush's vote is on me because that's what the votecount says, but Kush is "1 trillion percent sure" that I'm town and is voting Palmar because he agrees with me and BC.

On April 27 2013 03:41 ShiaoPi wrote:


weird assumptoion of his that palamar is scum which isdirectly contrary to mine and i have no clue where this comes from if not trying to discredit a vet.
also day1 behavior and in general that feel that he is not doing as much as he seemingly usually does.

would dig up more if i wouldnt be so tired, more questions?

On April 27 2013 05:02 Hopeless1der wrote:

and yet his previous mention of you was that "I (Shar) am going to get you (rayn) lynched because you are scum".
That doesn't bother you that he just dropped it like it was nothing? Where the hell is everyone?

On April 27 2013 05:29 Sharrant wrote:
Ve, can you give me a quick recap on what you think makes shiaopi a better lynch than clarity, or link me to the post you think makes the best case? I'm starting to waffle on his tube pressure. Does he mention any other lurkers in his filter?

On April 27 2013 05:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
VE I am willing to swap my vote but I want to wait a few more hours on Yamato to actually respond. Because well, if he responds insanely badly I will want him lynched instead / give us required night period to ensure he gets vigied.

On April 27 2013 05:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
I find Shiao illustrating complete lack of reading the thread in spite of representing that he is far more damning.

On April 27 2013 05:55 Ace wrote:
ShiaoPi's crime looks like sheeping Palmar to vote for you
He probably hasn't caught up because he has no time, but how is that more guilty than Clarity's case that Sharrant made?

BTW I'm clearly willing to switch, but I want to get your reasonings correct. Because some of the people hopping on the wagon might be sheeping you. If they don't even understand your reasons for voting and sheeped that looks bad on them.

On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote:
Well, that took a lot of time to read.
Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep.
I am currently torn between clarity and VE.
Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure.
##vote: VE
If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now.

On April 27 2013 06:18 Ace wrote:


I am but also just trying to understanding your reasonings. Maybe I'm misreading it but ShiaoPi didn't lie when he said Kush voted for you. One of the last updates in the voting thread has Kush on your wagon, the subsequent one doesn't.

@BC: Shiao jumping on VEs wagon means exactly like he's stating - sheeping Palmar. I fully believe he isn't reading the thread as well as he claims. But he could just as likely be a Town player without enough time trying to piece things together haphazardly. In clarity's case he specifically said he read everything and came to some alarming conclusions which Sharrant pointed out. I think the latter case is clearly worse.

On April 27 2013 06:18 Ace wrote:


I am but also just trying to understanding your reasonings. Maybe I'm misreading it but ShiaoPi didn't lie when he said Kush voted for you. One of the last updates in the voting thread has Kush on your wagon, the subsequent one doesn't.

@BC: Shiao jumping on VEs wagon means exactly like he's stating - sheeping Palmar. I fully believe he isn't reading the thread as well as he claims. But he could just as likely be a Town player without enough time trying to piece things together haphazardly. In clarity's case he specifically said he read everything and came to some alarming conclusions which Sharrant pointed out. I think the latter case is clearly worse.

On April 27 2013 06:22 ObviousOne wrote:
I need to re-read today. I feel like someone tried to dissuade me from the Shiao lynch before and I need to find it. BC when is a good time to hammer to optimize your presence?

On April 25 2013 09:44 ObviousOne wrote:
I feel myself slowly gravitating towards fast lynching Shiao. Please restrain me. I want everyone to chime in before we deliver sweet sweet justice. Please think of the lurkers (apparently if I type that one letter off it autocorrects to porkers, YMMV)

On April 27 2013 06:37 grush57 wrote:
shiao is a mislynch.
giygas is scum but not enough traction
get on the clarity train
##Unvote
##Vote: Clarity_nl

On April 27 2013 06:54 yamato77 wrote:

Lol, and then you wanted to tell BC I had responded!

Total bullshit, VE.

On April 27 2013 06:56 yamato77 wrote:

Read his posts and what he's saying in the last two posts, and what each implies.

VE is certainly ready and willing to sheep BC if he makes a push for my lynch, regardless of whether I respond or not.

On April 27 2013 07:08 yamato77 wrote:

Yeah, they're being bad. Ignore it.

On April 27 2013 07:12 yamato77 wrote:

I'm no longer accusing BC of anything.

I'm just saying, this voting analysis of wagons is inconclusive at best. Mafia vote for mafia, town vote for town, and his list of "confirmed" players may not even be accurate, lol.

On April 27 2013 07:31 Ace wrote:


because he is clueless and not reading the thread. He is just sheeping Palmar. I dont think that is a strong enough argument to make him scum.

On April 27 2013 08:11 Ace wrote:
First thread of thought
We have a voting wagon of a Town player making a case on another Town player. We know this because they are both dead and confirmed Town. Clear opportunity for Scum to jump on the wagon - this is where ShiaoPi comes in. When Vivax dies, he is hit on two different threads since Vivax, a confirmed Town player calls him out. Note this doesn't make Vivax's accusation correct - just free from Scum bias. Hold this as the first thread of thought in your head.

We get to our current point today. I compare the current Shiao wagon with the original wagon on Oats. I notice there is a large overlap of similar names. For Shiao to be scum TWO things have to happen: majority of the overlap between Oats wagon AND Shiao's would have to be Town. That is a rare possibility in my eyes. When taken in context with the Clarity wagon we see unique voters on his wagon. I don't think all 3 of these things can happen coincidentally. Now hold this as the first thread in your head. Even if you think this doesn't absolve ShiaoPi as scum, and it shouldn't, when added together with other threads of thought it does.

On April 27 2013 08:11 Ace wrote:
Second thread of thought

ShiaPi not reading, or barely reading vs Clarity doing the same. The difference here is that Clarity got caught by Sharrant solidly for just looking at buzz words, skimming the thread and coming up with anything. He called out a policy lynch scenario that didn't even happen. ShiaoPi shows up and tells us he doesn't have much time, and is sheeping Palmar. Clearly, he isn't reading much but this IS possible from a town p.o.v.. This is the second thread, hold this in your head.

On April 27 2013 08:11 Ace wrote:
Third thread of thought

So now we go back to ShiaoPi's wagon and assume he is Scum. That means if he dies and flips Town a whole host of people are in trouble. But we aren't lynching for information so the next best case is to look at Scum ShiaoPi from a voting aspect. He shows up, isn't reading the thread much. He votes for you VE, and NOT Clarity. The only other real suspect on the block. Even if he is Scum and not reading - how could his Scum team let that happen? they would be incredibly dumb and lazy to do so. Why go after you, a guy who has no real wagon on him and not save his own ass? It doesn't add up if he is Scum. The only explanation is him being Town and not reading enough to know whats going on, or he and clarity are Scum. If the latter case is true then the Scum team would be making an effort to push someone else. No one else is being pushed well from what I can see. If there is point it out to me. We also give you credit for calling tube out, and he did the same. This is the third thread.