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What do people think of BC right now? I remember really not liking his initial posting; bullying the thread into submission really seems anti-town to me and prevents people from sharing reads/opinions. Is he known to do this often? I'm going to look again and see if I can pick anything up. Going to do this as often as I possibly can tonight---even if my reads are bad (which they always fucking seem to be, sigh) you guys will have what to work with. | ||
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On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple. | ||
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On April 28 2013 13:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Again, i can't see where you assume you are gonna get DT checked when people wanted you shot. Because at that point there weren't that many people who wanted me shot. I wasn't worried about getting shot at that point, I was more worried about being lynched, and a miller claim during the day would have ensured that. Now I'm done defending my actions to you Rayn, continue believing what you're going to believe. BC: Seems overall fairly town to me, though I don't get the evolution of his scumreads. Well, I get them in that they constantly follow town sentiment more or less, but I don't get where most of them go. Scumread on yamato just fizzles out, scumread on CC spoken of once and gone, scumread of OO based on one post and gone, On D2 he pushes ShiaoPi like crazy and then before he disappears for the day with vote still on ShiaoPi, posts this: On April 27 2013 07:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I honestly don't like confirming people via voting wagons unless we have a list check dt. I was answering the question asked (although to ace) because it was something that I wanted a potential viewing of how I see it out there in case he answers differently. I would say the most damning thing against shiaopi at this point in time is his angry post calling out tube. People who would be most angry specifically at tube is a mafia imo although thats an insane stretch and even i realize that He's one of those people who are on both the Shiao and oats wagons at the time that people were starting to consider scummy, but then he switches to Clarity at the end. I'm not sure what to make of this in the end but what I would like is an explanation of BC's reads evolution because he just flies back and forth, dropping and picking up pressure with no way (for me at least) to understand where it went. I can't think BC is scum based on his play...bussing Clarity that early makes no sense to me but help me out here maybe. Like....BC do you still think yamato is scum? Shiao? | ||
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On April 28 2013 13:45 ObviousOne wrote: This post needs more Dwayne Johnson gifs IMO. Do you agree that Palmar could be mafia based on his play by proxy? Would he step back and let town tear itself apart if he's the only veteran who is mafia? So far he's been sticking with the play-style for the most part (a lazy style IMO). Ignore the spoiler if you hate pre-flip association thoughts + Show Spoiler [speculation/pre-flip association] + IMO I don't see him doing that if ACE BC BM VE DOCH are all town, BUT! it's possible that mafia has some power roles and DOCH/stutters is mafia as well (someone who when he's around is hyper-active early game, or at least that's the idea I get from 1-the podcast where he talked by himself, the beta cast and 2-he burns out quickly when he's scum), like we just learned with today's flip they had a vigilante in Clarity, and role #s are not known, they could have more. This needs a flip to have any credence so I guess i'll shut up about it for now. But the question again so it's clear, does it make sense that Palmar would play by proxy solo if he's the only scum vet in such a potentially strong town? I personally think that the scumteam is likely to be weak/lurky this game as I mentioned earlier. This is only stengthened by the fact that both tube and Clarity flipped red. I don't see how Clarity could have been allowed by a strong scumteam to post what he did so that many people picked up on it almost immediately and what's more, undoubtedly forced at least one of them to bus him (there's no way all of the scum were on the Shiao wagon or all spread the voting out considering how long it was only between Shiao and Clarity. Interesting to see Shiao not voting for Clarity btw. Also need to see why kush wasn't on either of those two. | ||
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On April 28 2013 13:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ace. What do you make of the fact that WoS himself said he agrees with BC's post where BC said millers should never claim? That's it. That's the contradiction in itself, and that should be enough to shoot him asap. There is no town motivation to insta-claim when people want you shot. A townie would think "crap, i have been so fucking wrong on D1 and D2. I have to relook everything and make my best to come up with the best reads possible. Then, if people do not believe me, i claim miller and have people shoot me." That's what a townie would do. However, if WoS is mafia, there are two possibilities. People take him at face value (look at what you are doing right here) and he does not get shot. He can't be copped any more. Win situation. If people do not agree on shooting him, but mafia has a reason to believe he will be shot, what then. THROW A FUCKING JAILER ON HIM! That's gonna be a fucking WIFOM-fest @ D3, might even lead to a vigilante claiming if they shot him. The only correct play is that all people agree on vigi shooting WoS, if he dies and flips town, he screwed up royally. But he is no longer a distraction. If he flips mafia, good. If he does not get shot, we lynch him on D3 as mafia protected him and he is mafia. I really REALLY want to ignore you. So bad. This reminds me of your play in Ego except less retarded one-liners, but you're still the same old tunnely Rayn. Stop mucking up the thread with this shit. Ace and OO and I are trying to look elsewhere for mafia and you're still hung up on me. On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote: I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple. I've also already explained to you it's not so much I was worried about being shot Rayn, you just keep ignoring this. I WAS MORE WORRIED ABOUT BEING DT CHECKED AND HAVING A LYNCH WASTED ON ME. DTs don't necessarily crumb their targets or tell anyone who they will be checking, and with people looking to possibly shoot me so early in the night, along with MANY other possible vig targets flying around, it's highly likely that another target gets shot and I get DTed instead, which is what I DIDN'T want to happen. Wasted vig shot, sure, but no wasted lynch/DT check. I'm officially done explaining this to you. Either accept the fact that the town will either all agree to shoot me, or they won't, but stop shitting up this thread or I will assume you are doing this in order to distract better players from scumhunting and when I flip town you're going to look like shit. | ||
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On April 28 2013 14:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS i have already said what i have to say. I do not understand how you can mostly agree with post that says "millers should never claim, period". I do not understand how you are worried about a DT check rather than a vigishot when N2 has just started, when there is 24 hours time to relook everything and come up with new reads that might make town take another look at you, especially when nobody has ever mentioned anything about DT-checking you. There is no reason to argue about this, you are not going to convince me. I explained what will happen if you are alive on D3, and i hope other people do so too. You are either playing incredibly stupidly and not thinking clearly or you are mafia playing cleverly on N2. I think it's the latter. Now convince the other people you are town. Your first reads post was kinda bad. Over half of the post said what you were supposed to do before N2, it's fucking irrelevant that you use big paragraphs now to tell us why Clarity is mafia, because he flipped mafia already. It's neither bro. And you didn't read the post at all apparently. Got any comments on the second half of the post or are you too busy in your confirmation-bias tunnel of love? | ||
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Ace, since I am still inexperienced as you put it, is there a possibility that Geript is not town? | ||
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Here's an opportunity you were asking for earlier in the game. Do you think I'm scum based on occurrences earlier in the thread? Also anything updated on Shiao or Giygas? | ||
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On April 28 2013 14:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you think ShiaoPi is scum i want to ask you the question i have asked from many other people. Why do you think scum did sacrifice their vigilante over Shiao, and why didn't they push a conter-case on a townie at any point of D2? I'm not sure Shiao is scum. If he isn't he's terrible town. I'm just trying to find out what other people think of him now and whether or not Clarity's flip precludes Shiao of being scum. I'm not sure it does, but it does make me doubt my read. How exactly did scum sacrifice their vig over Shiao by the way? There are so many strong players in this game who are likely town I don't think scum had any real control over the lynch. Where are tube's/Clarity's influence over the lynch D1? | ||
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On April 28 2013 14:37 getmoript wrote: Sorry I missed this question, could you clarify what you mean exactly? Lol just ask the Master of Tunnels, Rayn. | ||
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On April 28 2013 14:36 getmoript wrote: @Ace: Let's assume for a second that there are 3 active scum left. Who then has been dissuading discussion? Who has actively been inserting new shit preventing us from getting reads on people? Where are the active disruptive scum? OO, this is the point of Geript's I agree with, but Geript that doesnt' discredit Ace's entire case. You really only focused on one aspect of it which is why I think Ace had trouble taking that seriously. | ||
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SCUM RIGHT HERE FOLKS | ||
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On April 28 2013 14:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because Clarity was +1 KP. Scum know who is scum, and scum have probably done scummy stuff this game. Anyone who comes even close to pushing a lynch on D2 was VE, and he can't possibly push a lynch on himself. Even if scum are fairly inactive, it would be beneficial to make a rock-solid case on another scum to not waste a KP-role. Then Clarity comes in, votes for that person, and it's a win-win situation. Now the only counter-case was ShiaoPi. I still don't think there were only scum wagons on D2, and that's also why i think VE is scum. You don't find it likely that inactive scum couldn't start a third wagon when there are already 2 strong ones going without it looking really scummy? By the by, you've got a lot of scum-POV goin' on in that thar brain a'yers, Rayn. You scum? | ||
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On April 28 2013 14:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: The thing is i do not think all scum are inactive. You are making an assumption that holds no water, at least yet. Of course it's possible that all the scum are inactive and couldn't do shit about what happened on D2, but why didn't they then try harder to get ShiaoPi lynched? I find the easiest explanation to be that VE is mafia. Maybe he shouldn't get vigged, but at least copped. What do you think about what i just said about geript? I don't assume all 5 scum are inactive/lurky, but I assume the scumteam as a whole absolutely must be, or the game wouldn't be going down the way it has been for them. As per your explanation you're right VE COULD be mafia, but it certainly doesn't mean Shiao couldn't be. As for Geript, I agree with him; if you'll notice right before Clarity flipped I asked mods the timing on a modkill because it seemed to me to be a waste of a lynch for town. It was very VERY unlikely he wasn't getting modkilled at that point in my opinion, and it's likely scum figured the same. Those who were around anyway. | ||
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On April 28 2013 15:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE and maybe you. If not VE then yamato. And me too, remember? You've got a lot of scumspects here Rayn. How can you keep track of them all? | ||
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I'm off to bed. Daypost isn't until what, 5PM (EST) I think tomorrow? I'm not sure how active I'm going to be during the day tomorrow but hopefully people have a lot to go on in case I don't get to post much before I die. I'll be checking my phone periodically though and may be able to toss something up every so often. I highly doubt both OO and Ace are scum so I'd take their advice if I do die and have a look at who is taking hard advantage of my 'gift' to them in my claim. I think Rayn is playing too dumb to be scummy so mebbe not him, lol. Night bros. | ||
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