EPTTL Mafia LXI - Page 5
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
Ace
United States16096 Posts
| ||
|
Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 26 2013 05:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also, for anyone accusing me for being scum based on my lack of contribution. Please filter dive your beloved Ace and Palmar and tell me what either have done to convince you of being town. Both are "active" while not actively helping the town in any positive way. Since when would Ace base his reads/lynch of the reads of another player. Go read his game history. Ace does the shit ace wants to do and pushes it when town. He is not taking this town by the reins or even actively attempting to lead the lynches. Palmar is in the same boat. What is this? For the past 3 years I've pretty much been calm about the way I do things. You're case boils down to me not being a super aggressive player when in the last 2 games I played here in months - both times I was passive and not yelling at people. I've never had one "style" and if you're going to blame me for not being aggressive at least be up to date on the way I've played recent games. If you were reading the thread I was one of the first people pushing the yamato lynch and then started asking people to vote for Oats. I don't know what else you expected to see. Instead of filter diving and mischaracterizing my play you should have looked at the chain of events that actually happened. On April 26 2013 05:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As would I. I am merely pointing it out based on the comment made about "why would town jail bc" I would want to lynch Palmar for same reasons people would say "lynch bc for" What people don't realize Is i took a firm stance day 1 on a lynch and Palmar nor Ace did. They sheeped. 2 things: 1 - since when is sheeping scummy? If townies don't sheep each other no one would ever get lynched. Trying to pass that off to make myself and Palmar look like Scum is lol logic. 2 - can you show me where I displayed sheepish behavior and point out an alternative? Seems like since I don't throw around a ton of suspects - which I rarely ever do and haven't played that style in over 5 years - you assume I'm not doing anything. On April 26 2013 06:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Basically this. In most games as mafia or town, Ace has a more "assertive" personality. IE he dictates the flow of the game as best he can. In either case he pushes his own ideals and when scum attempts to have this appear townlike. However. With such a generic apathy of who to lynch and no solid pushing / shooting down conversational avenues that aren't worth talking about he just lets the thread get cluttered. I believe he in day 1 advocated for a quick lynch. Why would a townie want a quick lynch when the more time to talk the better? Given his lack of assertiveness I have him as third party. Once again mischaracterizing my play. On day 1 I CLEARLY pushed for a yamato lynch, and then helped Vivax push his Oats lynch. It's clear as day. I don't know how you can characterize that as apathy. And just like I will say to Gigyas: We already had a discussion going for over 2 days. We have to eventually lynch someone - which is NOT the same as advocating a quick lynch. Unless you can prove there was some meaningful discussion happening that I ignored you're talking nonsense. Every game I've ever played with majority lynch I ask people to consolidate the wagons so we keep our focus unless something mind blowingly new pops up. That isn't stifling discussion in as much as making sure we stay on track. Once again you're stating something that did not happen. If I'm wrong on any of this point out the quotes, with context during the game that it happened and prove me wrong. On April 25 2013 15:59 GiygaS wrote: - Ace: People are saying he's scum because he's not been playing very well, and it's outside of his meta or something, so I decided to look through his filter. - Was one of or the first to point out the obvious thing that maybe, just maybe, Bill Murray wasn't actually claiming. - Something I noticed on day 1 is he seemed to not really react to posts for a while unless he was directly spoken to/about, or if there was an opportunity for a meme. - Voted Yamato with little reasoning. He doesn't actually give much reasoning for much unless asked on. Could be a playstyle thing like he says though. - Likes the oats cases, but provides reasoning for it. - Found a contradiction here: He wants us to take our time, and then really pushes hard for an oats/yamato hammer from there. - But other than day 1, he's been town in my eyes. More recently, he's been contributing valuable info and insight. For that reason, I've got a null read on him. Going to bed now, will try and keep updated with my phone throughout the day tomorrow. Where is the army of people saying that? Just like BC you're making stuff up. There is no contradiction in my quotes. The thread was full of endless speculation and the yamato situation that I was apart of. Someone points out we don't have a deadline. I immediately say ok - my mistake - ignore the part about we're wasting time. Vivax says his case is meta. The second part is me clearly saying we're not doing stupid meta cases because they are mostly bullshit. Vivax then says he has an actual case coming up - you know, one with effort. He posts his actual Oats case and the rest is history. I do not push for an Oats/yamato hammer there. That is blatant lying. I literally in your own quote ask for arguments and discussion between those 2, and only to bring up actual real cases to interrupt it. How did you get me asking for a hammer here? I even said I'd be willing to switch off of yamato at the time so why would I do that if I want a quick hammer? Now, I posted about the Oats list earlier but it seems to have fallen by the wayside so I'm going to go back there for a second. But with VE and Rayn looking Town, myself being Town, and Vivax dead that narrows the list considerably. getmoript is also looking assuredly Town so I;d remove him as a suspect too. Leaving us with: Oatsmaster: Palmar, kushm4sta, GiygaS, kushm4sta, WaveofShadow,yamato77,Palmar, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi I think for now leaning Town on Palmar is best. Simple solutions outside of Wifom show he is Town protted or Scum roleblocked via jailkeeper. If Scum were JK their own guy then Palmar probably has no powerful Scum role and is a goon. Even so - there was no pressure on him and the only person who could have possibly killed him Night 1 is 3rd party. That is a stretch and until we get more info that is the way to go. Oatsmaster: kushm4sta, GiygaS, kushm4sta, WaveofShadow,yamato77, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi Is my final list of real suspects and I've got my vote currently on ShiaoPi. I'm waiting for yamato's post he promised against BC or else he's the definitive lynch over ShiaoPi. I'd love for other people to chime in on this. Lastly someone clearly wanted Vivax, one of the most active players dead. Before he died he called out Clarity (who's been mia for ages), rayn (temporarily cleared), yamato (waiting on him), and ShiaoPi (bingo). 2 of these 3 outside rayne are also on the Oats wagon. Once again, I think this is our best path to go. If you have a strong case against someone that also hits Vivax's last reads and the Oats wagon I'm all ears. | ||
|
Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 26 2013 12:06 GiygaS wrote: Stop lying. What lie? Vivax listed people that said they would vote/prefer Oats. How is that advocating a quick hammer? | ||
|
Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 26 2013 12:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Apparently i can't sleep. :E Ace: I think you are being kinda wishy-washy regarding me. I don't like you saying i'm "temporarily cleared because of activity". If you think i'm town say so, if you think i'm scum, say so, if think i'm null, say so, but don't "clear" me for now because of activity. as you have said, activity has nothing to do with someone being scum/town. I don't like ShiaoPi lynch as much as Clarity as why i have said earlier (ignore the VE voting for him part), mainly because of my analysis of the NK's at the start of D2. I want to hear more from yamato/BC regarding BC's case, i think yamato's answer was weak, he just said "no U scum, i'll tell more later". I could write something about WoS, but not tonight. I think he has a fair chance of flipping mafia, but Clarity is more likely imo. I didn't like how Mr.CheeseCake accepted geript's case on GiygaS, as the case was full of nothing. I want him to tell why he did so. I think you're Town but I always think in terms of leaning/Protown and Confirmed Town. So when I say temporarily cleared it doesn't mean you are Scum - just me really saying you aren't confirmed. I'll try to be more clear from now on. I'm liking ShiaoPi more than Clarity because of the Oats wagon. But Vivax accused them both so it's not a big deal for either wagon especially when both are just chilling right now. Yamato still missing is of course a big deal. | ||
|
Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 26 2013 12:12 Sharrant wrote: Ace, why did you leave clarity out of that? You wanted to lynch him with me earlier, remember? Do you think shiaopi was really mafia and just sort of super soft bussing tube despite tube being under no real pressure? I included clarity too, I just focused more on the Vivax reads that also hit the Oats wagon. He isn't off the hook. I didn't think ShiaoPi was bussing tube. Shiao has no thread presence and is a popular suspect - if he's bussing it would literally get him no where. What post did you see him make that made you think it was possible? | ||
|
Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 26 2013 12:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is this as we can't know if yamato is mafia or not? I don't understand. how does yamato flipping correlate with Shiaopi over Clarity because of the Oats wagon? | ||
|
Ace
United States16096 Posts
| ||
|
Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 26 2013 12:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i understand it now. However, whatever yamato is, i doubt all scum were on Oats wagon. That's why i think this tells little about Clarity/ShiaoPi and their chances of being mafia (i mean, their chances of being scum just by analyzing D1 wagons as numbers). One thing that bothers me is people saying ShiaoPi is mafia because he hammered Oats (especially if yamato is town). Oats was L-1 and we were waiting players to consolidate, don't you think scum would be more careful with hammer in that situation? I dont think all were on it either, just some. Hammering someone isn't scummy, especially if we've discussed it for that many hours. Even so I don't remember ever saying ShiaoPi is Scum because he hammered Oats. As an aside, hammering is usually scummy when you don't give someone a chance to do anything, Oats was around long before the hammer dropped. On April 26 2013 12:31 GiygaS wrote: Ace there was a 30 minute time delay between you telling everyone to settle down and wait, as the day is infinite, to you telling people to "not stall the fucking wagons" in bold. How is this not pushing for the lynch? How is telling people who haven't voted for oats to vote for oats not pushing for a hammer? Telling people that said they would vote for someone - to actually use their votes isn't scummy. Not stalling the wagons = stop bringing up people just to throw around names. I've always been that way once I feel we're on to something. Hence why I even said dont bring anything up unless you have an actual case. Clearly I'm pushing for a lynch of someone I think is Scum. I mean, I don't even know why you are stating that as if its a bad thing. I don't think you understand what a makes hammering someone scummy. For one I only pointed out the people who said they were voting and didn't - like you already quoted. Secondly, hammering someone is not scummy. If it is we'd be vigi shooting everyone who places the last vote on a wagon. You're being ridiculous. | ||
|
Ace
United States16096 Posts
OO Bill Murray is an eccentric kind of player. It is very possible he didn't read the thread, or read it and saw something no one else did and chose to comment on it. That is just how he is. | ||
|
Ace
United States16096 Posts
 ) because people are blaming him for being the hammer vote which isn't Scummy. Got ya. So now you'd rather look at Clarity/yamato? | ||
|
Ace
United States16096 Posts
Sharrant besides stutters, what do you think about lynching Clarity and then viging into the Oats' suspects I named? | ||
|
Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 27 2013 00:24 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm null on Clarity...there's just too many other more scummy people to me. outside of Palmar which ones coincide with the Oats list? On April 27 2013 00:33 VisceraEyes wrote: The thing is, Yamato DID say "I'll respond to this when I have time" So I mean, what you say may be true, but what Yamato says could be construed as doing exactly what you say. It's subjective. We really need him to respond to the case. Yep, but yamato not responding hasn't been forgotten. @VE: dont you think Clarity's posts that Sharrant outlined show him trying to blend in and not read the thread, as opposed to Shiao who actually showed up with explanations of his inactivity? | ||
|
Ace
United States16096 Posts
He probably hasn't caught up because he has no time, but how is that more guilty than Clarity's case that Sharrant made? BTW I'm clearly willing to switch, but I want to get your reasonings correct. Because some of the people hopping on the wagon might be sheeping you. If they don't even understand your reasons for voting and sheeped that looks bad on them. | ||
|
Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 27 2013 06:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Is that a crime? Then why say it? I never even mentioned him sheeping Palmar to vote me. I mentioned him saying KUSH was voting for me as evidence that he's clearly not reading the thread (EITHER thread, he didn't ever vote for me in either one), but not in the context of Shiao sheeping anyone. He's lying Ace, and not innocuously. Why would he lie about reading the thread if he's town? I mentioned it because Palmar was also trying to get you lynched but it was partly sarcasm. I understand the point of ShiaoPi not reading the thread - I'm asking how does that make him more guilty than Clarity? Remember Clarity hasn't even shown up since Sharrant blasted him. | ||
|
Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 27 2013 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I'll kill the evil I can see. I thought you were a proponent of vigs clearing out the trash Ace? I am but also just trying to understanding your reasonings. Maybe I'm misreading it but ShiaoPi didn't lie when he said Kush voted for you. One of the last updates in the voting thread has Kush on your wagon, the subsequent one doesn't. @BC: Shiao jumping on VEs wagon means exactly like he's stating - sheeping Palmar. I fully believe he isn't reading the thread as well as he claims. But he could just as likely be a Town player without enough time trying to piece things together haphazardly. In clarity's case he specifically said he read everything and came to some alarming conclusions which Sharrant pointed out. I think the latter case is clearly worse. | ||
|
Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 27 2013 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote: That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that he lied when he said he read the thread. He didn't, or he'd know that Kush didn't vote for me, ever...in either thread. In fact, kush is "1 trillion percent sure" that I'm town. actually he's right here and you're wrong: On April 27 2013 03:18 iamperfection wrote: ~~~ Vote Count ~~~ VisceraEyes (3): Palmar, Kushm4sta (1) Bill Murray GiygaS (2): grush57, getmoript Palmar (1): VisceraEyes ShiaoPi (4): Clarity_nl (5): Sharrant, Ace, Stutters695 (0): Ace (0): yamato77 (1): BloodyCobbler Remember, this Day ends when a majority is reached. As soon as a majority is reached, please stop posting until the Night Post has been posted. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted! The voting thread can be found here: (link) With 23 alive it takes 12 votes to lynch. Shiao is right, kush did vote for you. I'm starting to think he's a clear mislynch and Clarity is the correct lynch. @BC: Let's imagine ShiaoPi is indeed Scum. Ignore everything he has done and keep it extremely simple. He shows up, barely reads the thread and posts some nonsense...then votes for VE despite being one of the leading Scum candidates. Why wouldn't he just throw his vote onto Clarity to save his own ass and mislynch that guy? throwing it onto VE when he is possibly going to get lynched does nothing. If he's Scum why do that unless clarity is also scum with him? | ||
|
Ace
United States16096 Posts
| ||
|
Ace
United States16096 Posts
| ||
|
Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 27 2013 06:34 VisceraEyes wrote: That's a possibility. It's also a possibility that he was instructed NOT to vote for Clarity. Who the fuck knows or cares. I think Shiao is a better lynch out of the two, personally, so that's where my vote is. I care and it is a pretty big deal. Just putting the pieces together: 1.)Not reading the thread which terrible Scum and terrible Town both do 2.) this is also in response to rayn: Shaio's reads are pure sheeping. He clearly wants to get rid of VE even though him and Palmar have done the same thing. Possible Scum motive too. There is a problem tho. 3.) If 2 is true - then why not push for VE to die even more? there is no big sentiment for VE dying so why would he attach himself to this?If he's Scum why not take the easier path and get rid of clarity? Doing this also saves his own ass. I can see a townie not reading the thread and not aware of the danger making this mistake, but a Scum player who has teammates? i doubt it unless the Scum team is absurdly dumb. 4.) The little tube comment is a small point in his favor. could be WIFOM but we also gave you credit for that too. 5.) This is the biggest issue here: Oatsmaster: Palmar, kushm4sta, GiygaS, Vivax, raynpelikoneet, kushm4sta, Ace, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,Palmar,getmoript, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi from the other day. ShiaoPi (7): VisceraEyes, Ace, kushm4sta, yamato77, GiygaS, Mr. Cheesecake, WaveofShadow, Stutters695, getmoript, Visceraeyes, raynpelikoneet, Hopeless1der from today. Removing you, myself,rayne and getmoript from previous discussion about the Oats list look at that overlap. A confirmed Town death list and Six names pop up that coincide with both lists at some point. Look at clarity's list: Clarity_nl (4): Sharrant, Ace, Bill Murray, raynpelikoneet, ObviousOne,GiygaS, grush The only names that hit both lists are myself, rayne, and gigyas. I came off, and rayne is Town in my eyes right now. gigyas is the only non-unique name to both lists. What's the coincidence that this happens? Clairty's voting list looks far more legit relative to ShaioPi's wagon when both are matched vs the Oats' list. ShiaoPi is most likely Town at this point. | ||
|
Ace
United States16096 Posts
| ||
| ||
