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yeah ill lynch bc that's cool
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On May 06 2013 09:56 GiygaS wrote:God damnit, looking through on kush (who I thought was uber disinterested mafia) makes me suspect yamato which would invalidate my read on Hopeless! This is confusing  This is the post that really got me (kush pointed this out before me): Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 00:35 yamato77 wrote:
The reason I'm running through all this is that I'm not particularly happy with any of the lynches that most of town is talking about. VE of yesterday feels somewhat town. I feel like more time would only bury scum VE or give chance to solidify a town read on VE. There's absolutely no rush for his lynch to be finalized.
Shaio is easy to mislynch, as evidenced by the suspicion on him in day 2 of British Empire 1, also an instant lynch where he was lurkish, and eventually replaced. The worst part of his filter is the hammer sequence, but even that could be explained by overly eager town who got caught up in the game emotionally.
Clarity is always inactive, and him being fixated on Sharrant is not alignment indicative. His case is objectively something that scum like to do, but in the context of the game, I can see a town Clarity who had a late start feeling the need to get his thoughts about the game on the table, even if they weren't about the main lynch candidates. The fact that he basically has no other reads in the game is a point in his favor, but just like VE, we can afford to play a waiting game with him, seeing as we have unlimited time.
At the very least, we need real discussion about the alignments of Ace/BC/Palmar before we move forward with any lynch. Ace is the most town out of the three, and BC the least, in my eyes. I'd say a long day is in order, and town need to consolidate pressure upon just a few people so that we can determine their alignments more clearly. Soft defense on the two scum that were up for lynching makes yamato look really bad. This case was rejected by Ace (who was probably pushing mafia agenda at this point to avoid being the last non-town left), but advocated by BC and praised by VE. This post is then ignored for the rest of the game. I sort of want to go through Yamato's filter now and see what's up, but at the very least I'm unvoting from Hopeless until I figure this out.
That post isn't about "defending scum" it's about giving real discussion on other players besides Clarity/Shiao. It's advocating a longer day. It's doubting a quick lynch. All of these things actually happened after this post, too.
If you'll notice, I suspected both of them the night before, and ended the day with my vote on Shiao, despite the majority consensus of lynching Clarity. This one post looks bad out of context. It's been talked about before, but it doesn't mean what you think it means.
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Also, I'm beginning to rethink my townread of Sharrant. That vote is scummy as fuck.
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On May 06 2013 10:18 yamato77 wrote:
Also, I'm beginning to rethink my townread of Sharrant. That vote is scummy as fuck.
Please show me exactly where ShiaoPi was overcome with excitement in his filter. Show me where there's even a hint of emotion.
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On May 06 2013 10:05 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 06 2013 09:41 TheRavensName wrote:On May 06 2013 09:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 06 2013 07:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 06 2013 07:11 yamato77 wrote:
I feel it highly unlikely that scum-WoS (a first time mafia player) would be as active as he has been, nor do I feel it likely that he would have the balls to claim miller as mafia, either. I agreed with you at the time, but there's a few things that don't add up. -There's Rayn mentioning him on D2 as someone to look into the next day. He dies N2. -His filter pushes a scum agenda. Has defended scum, then backtracked when they were looking poor. -A lot of his comments felt off to me when scrolling through his filter. I don't know if it's how WoS always posts, but there's this defensive aura about him. -Dropping out completely activity wise recently. He hasn't even posted the past two days. BM and Getmoript pointed out a few things as well. I think he deserves a closer look and I want that closer look before the day ends. 1) WIFOM-y as hell. I already mentioned that they lynched him to make me look bad; was the whole reasoning for me having to miller claim. If you'd read my filter you'd know that I already explained this. 2) Hard defended who? Clarity? Yes, I admitted to have been wrong about him. Yes, I backtracked, because I wanted to get my thoughts out about why I felt I was wrong. What other mafia have I defended? Hell did I ever defend Ace either? What about me constantly pushing Shiao? This is being really selective. 3) I dunno, not much to say about that. 4) I was angry and needed a break. Not even going to bother defending myself against geript's posting because once again, as always, it's overreaching. Go ahead and take as close a look as you need but honestly if you really feel like I'm on the block for today above any of the other suspects then I don't know what to say. I'll be able to get back into it a little more later tonight and tomorrow if there are any other outstanding issues people have with me. 1. Bullshit! You claimed Miller before Rayn died. Did I? Guess you're right. This game is taking too long. Oh well reasoning is essentially the same, they tried to frame me by killing Rayn after we had a huge back-and-forth. On April 29 2013 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
So no one decided to vig I assume. Lol obvious attempt to frame me even though I clearly called Rayn town throughout my arguing with him last night. Alright when I get back later tonight as promised I will be doing everything in my power to prevent a wasted lynch on me. You guys are still welcome to vig me N3 if you so choose.
Giygas scum btw. So why did you claim then?
In my filter multiple times if you'd read. I know you think you're being clever and you've caught me in something, but you're not.
On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch.Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple.
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dont be dumb. sharrant is hella town.
Also that quote from yamato soft defending shit.. yeah that looks bad but I think it was just a coincidence of retardation.
I mean it's almost such an obvious soft defense of scum that scum wouldn't even do it like that. Know what I mean? too scummy to be scum type thing.
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On May 06 2013 10:22 kushm4sta wrote:
dont be dumb. sharrant is hella town.
Also that quote from yamato soft defending shit.. yeah that looks bad but I think it was just a coincidence of retardation.
I mean it's almost such an obvious soft defense of scum that scum wouldn't even do it like that. Know what I mean? too scummy to be scum type thing.
I absolutely don't believe in too scummy to be scum, especially when the premise is based on something that isn't there. There is no excitement in ShiaoPi's play, especially not near the hammer. His hammer sounds like someone who is bored out of his head.
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On May 06 2013 10:21 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 10:18 yamato77 wrote:
Also, I'm beginning to rethink my townread of Sharrant. That vote is scummy as fuck. Please show me exactly where ShiaoPi was overcome with excitement in his filter. Show me where there's even a hint of emotion.
That's not the point. The point is that he could have just been bad. There's town explanations for every vote. The fact that my initial gut reaction of calling him mafia for it was right doesn't mean some townie wouldn't do the exact same thing.
I wanted to talk about other people. I was successful in getting other players' opinions on Ace/BC/Palmar. I will stand by my intentions.
The fact that you're fixated on a meaningless detail of one post in my filter that was taken out of context is ridiculous. Reread the game, because you'll obviously see my actual motive unfold in the conversation that followed that post.
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Too scummy to be scum is for real!
If you are scum you don't do obviously scummy stuff usually.
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Can we lynch bc now though? I wanna see a flip.
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Honestly I think right now I'm fine to lynch either Palmar or BC, and if one flips town we lynch the other one. I'm sick of trying to decipher what's going on between them and yamato's case of the scum rbing one and the town JK rbing the other makes sense.
Who's it going to be?
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All I'm gaining from this game is that if you troll day one, you'll never live it down.
20 pages of filter and more analysis of this game than all of you, yet I'm still getting called mafia.
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On May 06 2013 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 10:05 TheRavensName wrote:On May 06 2013 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 06 2013 09:41 TheRavensName wrote:On May 06 2013 09:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 06 2013 07:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 06 2013 07:11 yamato77 wrote:
I feel it highly unlikely that scum-WoS (a first time mafia player) would be as active as he has been, nor do I feel it likely that he would have the balls to claim miller as mafia, either. I agreed with you at the time, but there's a few things that don't add up. -There's Rayn mentioning him on D2 as someone to look into the next day. He dies N2. -His filter pushes a scum agenda. Has defended scum, then backtracked when they were looking poor. -A lot of his comments felt off to me when scrolling through his filter. I don't know if it's how WoS always posts, but there's this defensive aura about him. -Dropping out completely activity wise recently. He hasn't even posted the past two days. BM and Getmoript pointed out a few things as well. I think he deserves a closer look and I want that closer look before the day ends. 1) WIFOM-y as hell. I already mentioned that they lynched him to make me look bad; was the whole reasoning for me having to miller claim. If you'd read my filter you'd know that I already explained this. 2) Hard defended who? Clarity? Yes, I admitted to have been wrong about him. Yes, I backtracked, because I wanted to get my thoughts out about why I felt I was wrong. What other mafia have I defended? Hell did I ever defend Ace either? What about me constantly pushing Shiao? This is being really selective. 3) I dunno, not much to say about that. 4) I was angry and needed a break. Not even going to bother defending myself against geript's posting because once again, as always, it's overreaching. Go ahead and take as close a look as you need but honestly if you really feel like I'm on the block for today above any of the other suspects then I don't know what to say. I'll be able to get back into it a little more later tonight and tomorrow if there are any other outstanding issues people have with me. 1. Bullshit! You claimed Miller before Rayn died. Did I? Guess you're right. This game is taking too long. Oh well reasoning is essentially the same, they tried to frame me by killing Rayn after we had a huge back-and-forth. On April 29 2013 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
So no one decided to vig I assume. Lol obvious attempt to frame me even though I clearly called Rayn town throughout my arguing with him last night. Alright when I get back later tonight as promised I will be doing everything in my power to prevent a wasted lynch on me. You guys are still welcome to vig me N3 if you so choose.
Giygas scum btw. So why did you claim then? In my filter multiple times if you'd read. I know you think you're being clever and you've caught me in something, but you're not. Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch.Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple.
if that was the reason, why didn't you say so?
Now see you say that I should feel clever for this, but you have at least 2 full filter pages that are just calling everything a scum slip.
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On May 06 2013 10:29 yamato77 wrote:
All I'm gaining from this game is that if you troll day one, you'll never live it down.
20 pages of filter and more analysis of this game than all of you, yet I'm still getting called mafia.
It might also have to do with the fact that of the three lynches you pushed on day 1/2, 2 flipped town. Your first list of scum is 3 town, 1 unflipped and 1 3rd party, and that you have a soft defense of two scum thrown in for good measure. I'll grant you that there's some redeeming qualities in your filter, but there's a reason you're going to keep coming up as a lynch prospect in this game.
We're not lynching BC today, and we're not lynching Palmar. I want both of them alive for at least another night. There's no way they're both scum, so let's find the one, possibly two that are outside of them.
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On May 06 2013 10:36 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 06 2013 10:05 TheRavensName wrote:On May 06 2013 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 06 2013 09:41 TheRavensName wrote:On May 06 2013 09:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 06 2013 07:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 06 2013 07:11 yamato77 wrote:
I feel it highly unlikely that scum-WoS (a first time mafia player) would be as active as he has been, nor do I feel it likely that he would have the balls to claim miller as mafia, either. I agreed with you at the time, but there's a few things that don't add up. -There's Rayn mentioning him on D2 as someone to look into the next day. He dies N2. -His filter pushes a scum agenda. Has defended scum, then backtracked when they were looking poor. -A lot of his comments felt off to me when scrolling through his filter. I don't know if it's how WoS always posts, but there's this defensive aura about him. -Dropping out completely activity wise recently. He hasn't even posted the past two days. BM and Getmoript pointed out a few things as well. I think he deserves a closer look and I want that closer look before the day ends. 1) WIFOM-y as hell. I already mentioned that they lynched him to make me look bad; was the whole reasoning for me having to miller claim. If you'd read my filter you'd know that I already explained this. 2) Hard defended who? Clarity? Yes, I admitted to have been wrong about him. Yes, I backtracked, because I wanted to get my thoughts out about why I felt I was wrong. What other mafia have I defended? Hell did I ever defend Ace either? What about me constantly pushing Shiao? This is being really selective. 3) I dunno, not much to say about that. 4) I was angry and needed a break. Not even going to bother defending myself against geript's posting because once again, as always, it's overreaching. Go ahead and take as close a look as you need but honestly if you really feel like I'm on the block for today above any of the other suspects then I don't know what to say. I'll be able to get back into it a little more later tonight and tomorrow if there are any other outstanding issues people have with me. 1. Bullshit! You claimed Miller before Rayn died. Did I? Guess you're right. This game is taking too long. Oh well reasoning is essentially the same, they tried to frame me by killing Rayn after we had a huge back-and-forth. On April 29 2013 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
So no one decided to vig I assume. Lol obvious attempt to frame me even though I clearly called Rayn town throughout my arguing with him last night. Alright when I get back later tonight as promised I will be doing everything in my power to prevent a wasted lynch on me. You guys are still welcome to vig me N3 if you so choose.
Giygas scum btw. So why did you claim then? In my filter multiple times if you'd read. I know you think you're being clever and you've caught me in something, but you're not. On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch.Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple. if that was the reason, why didn't you say so? Now see you say that I should feel clever for this, but you have at least 2 full filter pages that are just calling everything a scum slip.
Wat?
Show me.
lol I don't even know why we are having this discussion it is so irrelevant to topics at hand.
TRN who do you want lynched today and why?
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On May 06 2013 10:36 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 10:29 yamato77 wrote:
All I'm gaining from this game is that if you troll day one, you'll never live it down.
20 pages of filter and more analysis of this game than all of you, yet I'm still getting called mafia. It might also have to do with the fact that of the three lynches you pushed on day 1/2, 2 flipped town. Your first list of scum is 3 town, 1 unflipped and 1 3rd party, and that you have a soft defense of two scum thrown in for good measure. I'll grant you that there's some redeeming qualities in your filter, but there's a reason you're going to keep coming up as a lynch prospect in this game. We're not lynching BC today, and we're not lynching Palmar. I want both of them alive for at least another night. There's no way they're both scum, so let's find the one, possibly two that are outside of them.
We're not?
The vote count would appear to say otherwise currently.
I doubt you're getting yamato lynched today; I'm certainly not voting for him.
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On May 06 2013 10:44 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 10:36 Sharrant wrote:On May 06 2013 10:29 yamato77 wrote:
All I'm gaining from this game is that if you troll day one, you'll never live it down.
20 pages of filter and more analysis of this game than all of you, yet I'm still getting called mafia. It might also have to do with the fact that of the three lynches you pushed on day 1/2, 2 flipped town. Your first list of scum is 3 town, 1 unflipped and 1 3rd party, and that you have a soft defense of two scum thrown in for good measure. I'll grant you that there's some redeeming qualities in your filter, but there's a reason you're going to keep coming up as a lynch prospect in this game. We're not lynching BC today, and we're not lynching Palmar. I want both of them alive for at least another night. There's no way they're both scum, so let's find the one, possibly two that are outside of them. We're not? The vote count would appear to say otherwise currently. I doubt you're getting yamato lynched today; I'm certainly not voting for him.
Is he honestly at L-2 right now?
And yes, we are not lynching BC today. If I have to stop the wagon on him, I will. And I will not be happy about it.
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On May 06 2013 10:52 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 10:44 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 06 2013 10:36 Sharrant wrote:On May 06 2013 10:29 yamato77 wrote:
All I'm gaining from this game is that if you troll day one, you'll never live it down.
20 pages of filter and more analysis of this game than all of you, yet I'm still getting called mafia. It might also have to do with the fact that of the three lynches you pushed on day 1/2, 2 flipped town. Your first list of scum is 3 town, 1 unflipped and 1 3rd party, and that you have a soft defense of two scum thrown in for good measure. I'll grant you that there's some redeeming qualities in your filter, but there's a reason you're going to keep coming up as a lynch prospect in this game. We're not lynching BC today, and we're not lynching Palmar. I want both of them alive for at least another night. There's no way they're both scum, so let's find the one, possibly two that are outside of them. We're not? The vote count would appear to say otherwise currently. I doubt you're getting yamato lynched today; I'm certainly not voting for him. Is he honestly at L-2 right now? And yes, we are not lynching BC today. If I have to stop the wagon on him, I will. And I will not be happy about it.
Uh...if you are saying that you have a way to do so, then you probably should if you don't want him lynched....though I'm thinking maybe you already did.
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On May 06 2013 10:54 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 10:52 Sharrant wrote:On May 06 2013 10:44 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 06 2013 10:36 Sharrant wrote:On May 06 2013 10:29 yamato77 wrote:
All I'm gaining from this game is that if you troll day one, you'll never live it down.
20 pages of filter and more analysis of this game than all of you, yet I'm still getting called mafia. It might also have to do with the fact that of the three lynches you pushed on day 1/2, 2 flipped town. Your first list of scum is 3 town, 1 unflipped and 1 3rd party, and that you have a soft defense of two scum thrown in for good measure. I'll grant you that there's some redeeming qualities in your filter, but there's a reason you're going to keep coming up as a lynch prospect in this game. We're not lynching BC today, and we're not lynching Palmar. I want both of them alive for at least another night. There's no way they're both scum, so let's find the one, possibly two that are outside of them. We're not? The vote count would appear to say otherwise currently. I doubt you're getting yamato lynched today; I'm certainly not voting for him. Is he honestly at L-2 right now? And yes, we are not lynching BC today. If I have to stop the wagon on him, I will. And I will not be happy about it. Uh...if you are saying that you have a way to do so, then you probably should if you don't want him lynched....though I'm thinking maybe you already did.
He's at L-2, as long as the rest of the people that come into the thread think about things, there's no reason to do anything to defend him right now.
I'll try something different here.
Yamato: I am telling you that your own analysis will tell you, in the end, that BC is not scum if you stick to what you've said. Now talk to me about two people that would be scum if BC were as good as confirmed town.
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Ugh, I'm not 100% sure of Yamato right now, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. My read right now is that say we lynch Hopeless today. If he flips scum, I've got a big town read on Yamato. If he flips town, I think Yamato should be the next lynch.
Kush is acting really strange about this read too, as he was obviously initially convinced it was mildly scummy (he was the one that initially pointed it out). Like here:
On May 01 2013 10:56 kushm4sta wrote:yamato your one claim to towniness is pushing shiaopi d2. But the other wagon was clarity. So in reality you were just picking between 2 scum. scum literally had to bus. Also that quote from earlier in which you explicitly soft defend 2 known scum. here it is again: Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 00:35 yamato77 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +The reason I'm running through all this is that I'm not particularly happy with any of the lynches that most of town is talking about. VE of yesterday feels somewhat town. I feel like more time would only bury scum VE or give chance to solidify a town read on VE. There's absolutely no rush for his lynch to be finalized.
Shaio is easy to mislynch, as evidenced by the suspicion on him in day 2 of British Empire 1, also an instant lynch where he was lurkish, and eventually replaced. The worst part of his filter is the hammer sequence, but even that could be explained by overly eager town who got caught up in the game emotionally.
Clarity is always inactive, and him being fixated on Sharrant is not alignment indicative. His case is objectively something that scum like to do, but in the context of the game, I can see a town Clarity who had a late start feeling the need to get his thoughts about the game on the table, even if they weren't about the main lynch candidates. The fact that he basically has no other reads in the game is a point in his favor, but just like VE, we can afford to play a waiting game with him, seeing as we have unlimited time.
At the very least, we need real discussion about the alignments of Ace/BC/Palmar before we move forward with any lynch. Ace is the most town out of the three, and BC the least, in my eyes. I'd say a long day is in order, and town need to consolidate pressure upon just a few people so that we can determine their alignments more clearly. that's why i want to lynch you now
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I want to lynch yamato because he soft defended shiaopi and clarity. too much of a coincidence imo. i already posted the quote 2 times.
plus there are a ton of other reasons other people have posted.
yamato...lurker doesn't make you scum. Town easily can lurk for a million different reasons and I was doing it myself for the middle part of this game.
Your case against hopeless..i do not find it convincing in the least.
Why has he suddenly pulled a 180 saying the quote is too scummy to be actual scum? It doesn't add up.
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