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Palmar
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getmoript
1016 Posts
1. His last lynch targets were Palmar, Hopeless and BC. 2. He just had gotten done trolling a case against BC 3. He trolled Palmar wanting to lynch BC 4. He trolls Kush for calling out Palmar/BC/Ace (2/3 he doesn't actually want lynched) Ace clearly had 0 interest in lynching BC ever. But he still wanting a scum on his list of targets, preferably the 'better talker' of the two. The next thing I want to draw your attention to is this quote: On May 02 2013 06:32 WaveofShadow wrote: Good reasoning. I'm pretty sure Palmar isn't on the block for today unless you can come up with something that puts him above everyone else we've been talking about. At least lazy as fuck paranoid cop fits with how he's been playing all game, as unhelpful as it is. You on the other hand are completely different from how you've been playing just a few days ago. Were you roleblocked? Or did you conveniently forget to mention it again? On May 02 2013 06:40 Ace wrote: I've got a job but my activity hasn't died. I've been around. And yes OF COURSE I was roleblocked. Palmar gets lynched because his claim was shoddy to begin with. "I'm lazy" isn't a valid defense lol. He wanted to lynch BC and didn't even take into account he could be paranoid. Get rid of him. On May 02 2013 07:16 Promethelax wrote: [blue]~~~ Vote Count ~~~ Yamato77 (1) kushm4sta Hopeless1der (2) Yamato77, Artanis[Xp] Palmar (1) Ace Here's the vote count from then. Ace has used the phrase "get rid of" 4 times, 3 of which are clear references to lynches. But in this instance it's odd because he's not really even trying to exert himself to get the lynch. Rather it looks like him saying "Get rid of Palmar" is him trying to express to his scum read that they are on the same side and that they both need palmar out of the way. On May 02 2013 06:32 WaveofShadow wrote: Good reasoning. I'm pretty sure Palmar isn't on the block for today unless you can come up with something that puts him above everyone else we've been talking about. At least lazy as fuck paranoid cop fits with how he's been playing all game, as unhelpful as it is. You on the other hand are completely different from how you've been playing just a few days ago. Were you roleblocked? Or did you conveniently forget to mention it again? WoS' response reads to me like he's telling Ace, "He wasn't on the block for killing tonight but it depends on how thread sentiment goes." What's interesting about WoS is that he seems to be following Ace that day but has this to say: On May 02 2013 13:46 WaveofShadow wrote: See Geript, I think it worries me more that Ace is on board than yamato. This looks like scum WoS knew that Ace would flip 3p or was reasonably sure of it and wanted to gain some easy town cred for it. Last 2 scum: BC and WoS. gg | ||
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Sharrant
Canada543 Posts
On May 06 2013 03:50 Palmar wrote: Also, now that it's very possible I'm insane it's a much better idea to lynch me in a few days than now. Either scum takea the free mislynch then, and thus risks me being insane, or thwy shoot me and solve the problem for you I kind of hate this, because I'm now waffling about lynching you today. I do think you need to die unless we lynch scum the next two nights, and I'm sure you can understand that you're going to have to be lynched regardless of your alignment. The idea of leaving you alive into the night phase is a very tempting one. If nothing else, let's chat about what's left in this game so that whenever you flip we've got some more information to go on. What do you think about Artanis asking the jailer to claim? | ||
yamato77
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On May 06 2013 04:30 yamato77 wrote: The notion that the jailer claim does not confirm town is a bad one. Stop being bad. SCum could have just as easily shot Ace Night 1 or double stacked to get rid of the potential veteran. I would rather not lose the JK. Thats just me. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On May 06 2013 04:35 TheRavensName wrote: SCum could have just as easily shot Ace Night 1 or double stacked to get rid of the potential veteran. I would rather not lose the JK. Thats just me. I'm starting to think you are mafia. | ||
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Sharrant
Canada543 Posts
He brings up a legitimate point, and that's what sparks your interest in him as mafia? I disagree about the double stacking, but it's perfectly possible they hit Ace on night one. Mafia players obviously had no traction on day 2, how could they swing the lynch onto him? Besides, what if the jailer is Geript? We'd lose a confirmed townie just to play the wifom game some more on night actions from day one. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On May 06 2013 04:39 Sharrant wrote: He brings up a legitimate point, and that's what sparks your interest in him as mafia? I disagree about the double stacking, but it's perfectly possible they hit Ace on night one. Mafia players obviously had no traction on day 2, how could they swing the lynch onto him? Besides, what if the jailer is Geript? We'd lose a confirmed townie just to play the wifom game some more on night actions from day one. Because the jailer claim has nothing to do with who scum shot, it has to do with who they jailed. He's obviously not even paying close attention to the thread. And no, it's not a WIFOM game. You're being bad by suggesting it is. Scum jailed a townie night one, and we can figure out who that is if the town jailer claims. The fact that it's one of BC/Palmar is fucking invaluable information. Stop trying to argue against this. | ||
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Sharrant
Canada543 Posts
On May 06 2013 04:42 yamato77 wrote: Because the jailer claim has nothing to do with who scum shot, it has to do with who they jailed. He's obviously not even paying close attention to the thread. And no, it's not a WIFOM game. You're being bad by suggesting it is. Scum jailed a townie night one, and we can figure out who that is if the town jailer claims. The fact that it's one of BC/Palmar is fucking invaluable information. Stop trying to argue against this. There's no need to bring insults into this. I completely disagree with you outright eliminating the idea that a scum claimed roleblock and they didn't use it on night one. But let's say that they 100% absolutely did jail one of Palmar or BC. It's incredibly doubtful to me that we lose that information if the jailer dies. Any decent jailer will either have left a decent breadcrum or, you know, you could read their filter and look for which one of those two was a strong town read for the jailer after their death. Or analyze the thread leading up to that point. Like I've said before, I'd say that Palmar was jailed by town because he looked pretty townie coming out of day one, whereas BC only looked a little townie. All things being equal, it's more likely BC was the one the scum jailed, or was the scum that claimed role block. And ignoring all of that still, you've said a few times you're pretty sure you know who the jailer is. Just pretend you know who it is, read their filter, and decide if it matches up with one of those two being jailed on night one, and which one it matches up with. You've even got the later roleblocks of Ace to give you clues as to who the first town role block was. Contribute to what's going on instead of just hounding on our jail keeper to give up his life to satisfy your curiousity. I just don't follow on why you'd want lynch to Ace to free up the role blocker to then have the role blocker kill himself? | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
I'm going afk. Think seriously about what I've said, because it's the best thing anyone could possibly do today. I know what I'm talking about. You've never even been mafia. | ||
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getmoript
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Sharrant
Canada543 Posts
On May 06 2013 05:01 getmoript wrote: Sharrant, what do you think of my analysis of Ace's play. Do you find it completely consistent with BC/WoS scum team? It's certainly believeable. My biggest issue is that I believed that ShiaoPi wasn't scum after Clarity flipped, and I could see the same thing from Ace's perspective. I'll read more in his filter, and see if there's anything I can gleam from it. I like that you made the case, if you're sure about it, I want to see you make it stick. Analyze BC and WoS and let me know what you come up with. I'm not particularly looking at BC right now, but WoS certainly has my attention. | ||
Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On May 05 2013 22:38 kushm4sta wrote: LOL bm is voting for me. u are a cutie.. ##vote hopeless dude are we going to keep someone alive who is playing like this? | ||
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Bill Murray
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On May 06 2013 04:23 Sharrant wrote: I kind of hate this, because I'm now waffling about lynching you today. I do think you need to die unless we lynch scum the next two nights, and I'm sure you can understand that you're going to have to be lynched regardless of your alignment. The idea of leaving you alive into the night phase is a very tempting one. If nothing else, let's chat about what's left in this game so that whenever you flip we've got some more information to go on. What do you think about Artanis asking the jailer to claim? I don't think it tells us much about Artanis's alignment at all. I stand by my earlier assessment that he's town. I am certain we need to lynch into these 4 people, based on my analysis during the night, with the added dimension that I think you must be town because you would have shot me if you realized I could be insane. Giggles BC Yamato Hopless I am inclined to lynch BC, based on what I wrote earlier about his effort and attitude towards the discussion I brought up during the night. I think we now 100% know what his reads are (Hopeless/Yamato) since he stated them pretty clearly, so if he flips town, we have all the information we need from him. I don't think he'll flip town though. | ||
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Ange777
Germany1164 Posts
Hopeless1der: (4) kushm4sta: (1) Bill Murray BloodyC0bbler: (2) Hopeless1der, getmoript Palmar: (1) Sharrant Remember, this Day ends when a majority is reached. As soon as a majority is reached, please stop posting until the Night Post has been posted. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted! The voting thread can be found here: (link) Please keep in mind that with 13 alive it now only takes 7 votes to lynch! If there are any mistakes in the vote count, please inform us. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On May 06 2013 06:06 Palmar wrote: I don't think it tells us much about Artanis's alignment at all. I stand by my earlier assessment that he's town. I am certain we need to lynch into these 4 people, based on my analysis during the night, with the added dimension that I think you must be town because you would have shot me if you realized I could be insane. Giggles BC Yamato Hopless I am inclined to lynch BC, based on what I wrote earlier about his effort and attitude towards the discussion I brought up during the night. I think we now 100% know what his reads are (Hopeless/Yamato) since he stated them pretty clearly, so if he flips town, we have all the information we need from him. I don't think he'll flip town though. go for it if you want. I will flip town and then you will have to worry about town wanting to lynch you. My firm belief is yamato and hopeless are the last two. I could be wrong, but given the current players left (myself included) i can make a case against every one of us as to why we could be scum. If town thinks its best to off me first then lynch into my reads, so be it. | ||
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getmoript
1016 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On April 27 2013 00:32 WaveofShadow wrote: This. I think I have a little time now so I'll re-look into him and I want to look at Giygas as well; I know one thing many people have mentioned in post-game analyses recently that people don't look into dead people enough and Oats did want to lynch Giygas real early. I remember his reasoning being dumb or non_existent but worth looking at I guess. On April 27 2013 01:06 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright I read through Clarity; I have to ask, is he a new player or has he been around a while? His play of 'posting something so I get something in before the hammer' seems like the kind of thing I did when I was new; self preservation when none was necessary at all, and I was called scum for it multiple times when in fact I was town. Like...his posting is awful and after having been around a little while I see exactly why now: Just weak as hell case which I called him out on to start and he admits at the same time he did it 'self-preserve' but also to prevent people from hammering? Just seems so fishy but knowing my own play I can't necessarily call it scummy per se. He calls this rebuttal to his case a hard defense of Sharrant later on (which it may well have been) but aren't hard defenses in general seen as a little bit scummy? Why just accept it not call me out on it? Why back down so feebly in the end if he believes in it so strongly? It just screams to me of my play in like the first couple games I ever played where anyone could make me back down from my own cases and I was completely unsure of myself. Again, objectively his posting looks awful and somewhat scummy, but knowing the kind of stuff other people called me out for in the past when I was town I just don't know if I can see it as such. Including the stuff BM thinks Clarity is flat-out lying about. The post where he says "I don't care" seems more out of frustration than anything else....ugh. I REALLY want to hear more from him and don't like the idea of a Clarity lynch....yet. On April 27 2013 01:37 WaveofShadow wrote: What is it people find scummy about Giygas again? That he's opportunistic or something? I dunno once again I don't think I have enough to go on here...in fact probably even less than Clarity because many of Giygas's reads and thoughts coincide somewhat with mine. He said he was going to look into me though so I'm interested to hear what he comes up with. Also looking through his filter I saw CC's massive reads list post. CC still think I'm scum, breh? If so, why? Hell, if not, why? On April 27 2013 01:39 WaveofShadow wrote: Sorry for the million posts; I'm going out for a bit so there's plenty for people to read into me here and respond to I hope, but before I go: ##Vote: ShiaoPi I doubt in the few hours I'm gone anyone is getting lynched and I don't personally see any better candidates for today, especially considering the idea that it's better to start lynching into vets tomorrow. The most interesting part is right here: On April 27 2013 04:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Uh, so stutters, I appreciate a ninjavote on my scumread as much as the next person, but for a guy who professes to find someone scummy for not interacting with their scumread, you're certainly looking mighty hypocritical right now. What's up, guy? On April 27 2013 04:21 Stutters695 wrote: Was typing out a response and I thought I made it pretty clear here + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2013 07:34 Stutters695 wrote: VE:I thought between the Vivax case and your points that the case on Shiao was pretty good. What specifically made you switch to Palmar over Shiao? I can understand why Palmar's posting is like he is, but Shiao has hammered oats when he hadn't interacted or even mentioned him all game with a very weak justification (Oats wasn't doing shit so why not hammer him for info [which he never brought up again]). I'm just not following what made you so sold on Palmar over him. Not only has WoS tried to bring up other lynchbait, he's looking to pressure a player for voting with him. There's nothing alignment indicative there. But notice how quickly he goes from "you scummy for being hypocritcal bro" to "oh shit I'm not paying attention." Then after the flip we have this post: + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2013 12:53 WaveofShadow wrote: Clarity Re-read. Honestly...not so sure why I was so hesitant to call him scum after being the FIRST ONE TO RIP UP HIS FUCKING CASE that everyone seems to forget about, and yet other people seem to want credit for. Fuck it, call me scummy for looking for towncred but at the very least acknowledge the fact that I told him his case was bad. I guess I didn't think that bad case = scummy case for him and I was wrong. It also didn't help that I saw a lot of my early play in his posting...and I never really did clarification as to whether he was seen as a new player or not. Looking through his past history he's played in quite a few mafia games so that probably should have been my biggest tell; the very thing I was excusing him for only worked if he was new, essentially. Lazy and dumb on my part, but oh well. Now as to who he mentions (because I've noticed this seems to work really well in post-flip analysis): Calls Sharrant scum in his original case - yeah I think we all know how that turned out. He also provides soft defenses for Rayn and Hopeless in there but I don't think that's necessarily relevant because that would assume Sharrant was onto something back then with the two of them. Mentions looking into Giygas, BC, and ShiaoPi. Never does. Sadly this is null because we don't know if they're all town, or some of them are scum and he never planned on visiting them via case. Then this: Only person he is confident giving a proper read with the words 'town/scum' in it is BC. Is this because he has prior knowledge of BC being town or because he is trying to give BC towncred as scum? Personally I believe the first option to be more likely, but that does shed interesting light on Giygas and ShiaoPi. Why no reads at all despite this being his post where he said he'd check?? Players Clarity never mentions at all or responds to whatsoever: tube, grush, kush, OO, Ace, Drazak/Artanis, Sylencia, and VE. We know one of these was mafia, bad I think the issue here is a general lack of presence in the thread, making this difficult (at least for me; maybe someone else can make something of it). I think at least from this Giygas and Shiao deserve looking into; probably more Giygas than Shiao because I just can't trust my own earlier reads anymore. So we see him pushing away from Shiao and following thread sentiment, then backtrack on it later on. On April 29 2013 10:43 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright well aside from this cop bullshit, are Sylencia and Shiao worth lynching of their own (lack of) merit? Personally after discussing last night with geript and rayn I don't see why Shiao is town, and I'd have to re-read the case on Sylencia as well as look at him myself. Ace are you going to be looking to push one of the cop claims? Yamato? What's your target for today? I'm going to grab some supper and hopefully be back later if cohosting duties don't take over. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On May 06 2013 06:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote: go for it if you want. I will flip town and then you will have to worry about town wanting to lynch you. My firm belief is yamato and hopeless are the last two. I could be wrong, but given the current players left (myself included) i can make a case against every one of us as to why we could be scum. If town thinks its best to off me first then lynch into my reads, so be it. Town wants to lynch me anyway. But who should be our first lynch if you flip town? | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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