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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 05 2013 17:12 GMT
#4741
What's up sharrant? Haven't got much time.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 05 2013 17:13 GMT
#4742
On May 05 2013 23:18 Sharrant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 23:13 Palmar wrote:
On May 05 2013 14:12 yamato77 wrote:
On May 05 2013 13:19 Sharrant wrote:
Whether or not it happened, to discount scum jailing one of their own on day as "very improbable" is unwise in my opinion. Jailer claiming would give us one confirmed townie, then a dead townie the following night and no protection from that point on. And it wouldn't give us another confirmed townie because scum no doubt put more than two seconds thought into their night one jail.

If they did that, they'd first come to your conclusion, and then realize that they only had probably 1/3 chance of hitting a role that would be hampered by a role block, and that they could use their own roleblock for town cred.

Now it doesn't matter whether they did that or not, because just the fact that they could have done that means that you can't confirm a second person from a jailer claim. Thus I urge the jailer not to claim.

Yes, you can, because scum wouldn't jail their own N1. Stopping a cop/other jailer is so much more important than the "town cred" from a N1 roleblock.


Scum can withhold their jail thing to claim a roleblock.


That too.

Palmar: Who did you check last night, what was the result?


Didn't even send in a check.
Computer says mafia
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
May 05 2013 17:13 GMT
#4743
On May 06 2013 02:12 Palmar wrote:
What's up sharrant? Haven't got much time.


Hey, just wanted to know who you checked last night, and what your result was.

Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
May 05 2013 17:13 GMT
#4744
On May 06 2013 02:13 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 23:18 Sharrant wrote:
On May 05 2013 23:13 Palmar wrote:
On May 05 2013 14:12 yamato77 wrote:
On May 05 2013 13:19 Sharrant wrote:
Whether or not it happened, to discount scum jailing one of their own on day as "very improbable" is unwise in my opinion. Jailer claiming would give us one confirmed townie, then a dead townie the following night and no protection from that point on. And it wouldn't give us another confirmed townie because scum no doubt put more than two seconds thought into their night one jail.

If they did that, they'd first come to your conclusion, and then realize that they only had probably 1/3 chance of hitting a role that would be hampered by a role block, and that they could use their own roleblock for town cred.

Now it doesn't matter whether they did that or not, because just the fact that they could have done that means that you can't confirm a second person from a jailer claim. Thus I urge the jailer not to claim.

Yes, you can, because scum wouldn't jail their own N1. Stopping a cop/other jailer is so much more important than the "town cred" from a N1 roleblock.


Scum can withhold their jail thing to claim a roleblock.


That too.

Palmar: Who did you check last night, what was the result?


Didn't even send in a check.


Perfect. Thank you.
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
May 05 2013 17:14 GMT
#4745
On May 06 2013 02:13 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 23:18 Sharrant wrote:
On May 05 2013 23:13 Palmar wrote:
On May 05 2013 14:12 yamato77 wrote:
On May 05 2013 13:19 Sharrant wrote:
Whether or not it happened, to discount scum jailing one of their own on day as "very improbable" is unwise in my opinion. Jailer claiming would give us one confirmed townie, then a dead townie the following night and no protection from that point on. And it wouldn't give us another confirmed townie because scum no doubt put more than two seconds thought into their night one jail.

If they did that, they'd first come to your conclusion, and then realize that they only had probably 1/3 chance of hitting a role that would be hampered by a role block, and that they could use their own roleblock for town cred.

Now it doesn't matter whether they did that or not, because just the fact that they could have done that means that you can't confirm a second person from a jailer claim. Thus I urge the jailer not to claim.

Yes, you can, because scum wouldn't jail their own N1. Stopping a cop/other jailer is so much more important than the "town cred" from a N1 roleblock.


Scum can withhold their jail thing to claim a roleblock.


That too.

Palmar: Who did you check last night, what was the result?


Didn't even send in a check.


Sorry for the triple post, but one last question.

Did you lie about checking Obvious One?
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 05 2013 17:14 GMT
#4746
nope, I actually checked him.
Computer says mafia
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
May 05 2013 17:14 GMT
#4747
On May 06 2013 02:14 Palmar wrote:
nope, I actually checked him.


Awesome, you're the man. Bigger post incoming in a bit.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 05 2013 17:20 GMT
#4748
btw to everyone who got confused about what happened tonight between me and BC.

I'm not as certain as I used to be that BC is scum... but look at what he did and how he did it last night. I'm somewhat conflicted but it certainly looks like he had some sort of questions regarding the targets he selected, only to immediately drop them when I explained my stance.

On May 04 2013 06:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I want to hear your opinion on stutters. Guy has replaced in for drH and since joining the game has done absolutely nothing that I would consider helpful in any sense. What say you?


On May 04 2013 06:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I would like your opinion on Kush. The guy has been inactive most of the game and has spent a ton of time hopping on popular sentiment as it happens. He always seems to be around to jump onto the popular wagon at the time and doesn't ever push what he thinks should be done.


On May 04 2013 07:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
that leaves us with yamato, hopeless and giggles.

Of them all 3 have major points against them that they could be mafia.


By my count he has like 6 serious suspicions (including me) before we started our back and forth.

It just doesn't look right.

Also I feel like the effort put into that back-and-forth was somewhat uneven. (me doing a lot, BC doing little).

But I need to think on it.
Computer says mafia
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
May 05 2013 18:11 GMT
#4749
Let's talk Palmar:

Palmar's first night he claims a role block. I have no reason not to believe this. Pretty sure this was the town roleblock from night one, he seemed quite townie (At least to me) going into night 1. Attempts to check BC. A reasonable check, BC is a veteran player, who was relatively null in the eyes of most people. Read as slightly townie to me, but I can understand seeing the opposite in him. All in all, it was a good, logical play to check BC.

Palmar's second night is again taken up by a check on BC, but this time he's not roleblocked. Palmar puffs up his chest, and makes a big show of how he's going to engage BC in a duel to the death, eventually getting bored and just claiming cop with only a single check and no idea of his sanity. This does nothing but cause chaos, confusion, and is a terrible play that makes no sense.

Palmar's third night is taken up by the check on OO. He gets another guilty check (we know now for sure that ObviousOne is town and not miller). VE was roleblocked when he attempted to check Palmar. He mentions at this point the possibility that he may be Paranoid or Insane. Checking OO is a poor choice however. OO is already confirmed green by Sylencia's flip and VE's parity check. What reason could a cop have for checking a confirmed green when his options for sanity are paranoid or insane. Both would yield the same result. He should have checked Ace, or someone likely to be scum. Again, his play is not logical, and he wastes his check in a terrible way.

Palmar's fourth night is taken up by a check on VE. VE died that night. He checks a second confirmed innocent and gets guilty, but this time claims the only option is that he's paranoid. How does that make any sense? Unless BC flips red, or he checks someone that does flip red, it's entirely possible he's insane. In fact, he only has one unnacounted for flip on someone that seems pretty townie still.

On May 02 2013 04:10 Palmar wrote:
checked VE, got guilty, am paranoid


He has absolutely no way to know that, evidence is entirely inconclusive, and it's entirely reasonable, if not probable, for him to be insane.

This however could have been a good move as a townie unsure of his own sanity, but who had already claimed. Hope the mafia doesn't read into it, and you get one more check and hopefully find scum with it. Instead we get this:

On May 06 2013 02:13 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 23:18 Sharrant wrote:
On May 05 2013 23:13 Palmar wrote:
On May 05 2013 14:12 yamato77 wrote:
On May 05 2013 13:19 Sharrant wrote:
Whether or not it happened, to discount scum jailing one of their own on day as "very improbable" is unwise in my opinion. Jailer claiming would give us one confirmed townie, then a dead townie the following night and no protection from that point on. And it wouldn't give us another confirmed townie because scum no doubt put more than two seconds thought into their night one jail.

If they did that, they'd first come to your conclusion, and then realize that they only had probably 1/3 chance of hitting a role that would be hampered by a role block, and that they could use their own roleblock for town cred.

Now it doesn't matter whether they did that or not, because just the fact that they could have done that means that you can't confirm a second person from a jailer claim. Thus I urge the jailer not to claim.

Yes, you can, because scum wouldn't jail their own N1. Stopping a cop/other jailer is so much more important than the "town cred" from a N1 roleblock.


Scum can withhold their jail thing to claim a roleblock.


That too.

Palmar: Who did you check last night, what was the result?


Didn't even send in a check.


There's a bunch more, but I don't think it needs to be said. I was hoping someone else would catch this and be able to pick up on the hints, but oh well.

Palmar is either playing the absolute worst town game he has ever played in his life or he's scum. And after Boardwalk I have too much respect for you to believe you would forget you were masoned, botch your claim so hard, and never realize that your sanity was still in question.

Ace was right, and I should have listened to him then. Your claim is fake.

##Vote: Palmar
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
May 05 2013 18:18 GMT
#4750
Sharrant, you're breakin mah balls man, breakin mah balls.
I really feel like the Town JK should claim here now that both BC and Palmar are back on the table. It'll at least help clear one of them.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
May 05 2013 18:20 GMT
#4751
Additional note: With the first sentence, I meant that your case is good.
Also
On May 06 2013 01:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
You'll note the stagnating day. Some might attribute that to it being the weekend. Others to general apathy. I'd partially attribute it to the fact that scum neither want to push my lynch nor suggest another.

What are you guys waiting for exactly? If you think im scum hurry up and lynch me already so you can actually start playing the game again. I'd guess at 5 people who essentially showed up strictly to vote me and fucked off. They can't all be scum, so this game is very trivial right now until you start looking into these questionable actions.

Why the fuck aren't you helping to figure this game out? Regardless of your alignment you're playing an atrocious game. Step it up.
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
May 05 2013 18:31 GMT
#4752
On May 06 2013 03:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Additional note: With the first sentence, I meant that your case is good.
Also
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 01:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
You'll note the stagnating day. Some might attribute that to it being the weekend. Others to general apathy. I'd partially attribute it to the fact that scum neither want to push my lynch nor suggest another.

What are you guys waiting for exactly? If you think im scum hurry up and lynch me already so you can actually start playing the game again. I'd guess at 5 people who essentially showed up strictly to vote me and fucked off. They can't all be scum, so this game is very trivial right now until you start looking into these questionable actions.

Why the fuck aren't you helping to figure this game out? Regardless of your alignment you're playing an atrocious game. Step it up.



Do you think he's fake claiming cop, or do you think he is a cop?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
May 05 2013 18:34 GMT
#4753
On May 06 2013 03:31 Sharrant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 03:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Additional note: With the first sentence, I meant that your case is good.
Also
On May 06 2013 01:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
You'll note the stagnating day. Some might attribute that to it being the weekend. Others to general apathy. I'd partially attribute it to the fact that scum neither want to push my lynch nor suggest another.

What are you guys waiting for exactly? If you think im scum hurry up and lynch me already so you can actually start playing the game again. I'd guess at 5 people who essentially showed up strictly to vote me and fucked off. They can't all be scum, so this game is very trivial right now until you start looking into these questionable actions.

Why the fuck aren't you helping to figure this game out? Regardless of your alignment you're playing an atrocious game. Step it up.



Do you think he's fake claiming cop, or do you think he is a cop?

I don't know. But what worries me is that even if it's a fakeclaim and he's scum, why would he say he didn't check anyone? He could've said he checked Hopeless or whoever and got red. There's no risk in that and it'd 'prove' he's paranoid and that his check means nothing.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 05 2013 18:35 GMT
#4754
Lol sharrant is correct. It's entirely possible I'm insane

Man I'm bad
Computer says mafia
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
May 05 2013 18:39 GMT
#4755
This is either the worst thought out fakeclaim of all time or the second worst cop play of all time.
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
May 05 2013 18:40 GMT
#4756
On May 06 2013 03:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 03:31 Sharrant wrote:
On May 06 2013 03:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Additional note: With the first sentence, I meant that your case is good.
Also
On May 06 2013 01:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
You'll note the stagnating day. Some might attribute that to it being the weekend. Others to general apathy. I'd partially attribute it to the fact that scum neither want to push my lynch nor suggest another.

What are you guys waiting for exactly? If you think im scum hurry up and lynch me already so you can actually start playing the game again. I'd guess at 5 people who essentially showed up strictly to vote me and fucked off. They can't all be scum, so this game is very trivial right now until you start looking into these questionable actions.

Why the fuck aren't you helping to figure this game out? Regardless of your alignment you're playing an atrocious game. Step it up.



Do you think he's fake claiming cop, or do you think he is a cop?

I don't know. But what worries me is that even if it's a fakeclaim and he's scum, why would he say he didn't check anyone? He could've said he checked Hopeless or whoever and got red. There's no risk in that and it'd 'prove' he's paranoid and that his check means nothing.


I think most townies that find out they're a paranoid cop would stop checking. Palmar's mistake was thinking he'd proved himself paranoid when he was obviously not. Secondly, he's likely worried about how it would assosciate or disassosciate himself with his scum partner. He's not sure how town would react to another red check if he flips. "Oh, BC and Hopeless were both 'checked' by him? They must be town." "Oh, his last 'check' before he flipped was on Yamato? Probably trying to buy credit for his scum buddy". He can't accurately predict towns seperate personalities and thought processes, so chooses the easiest way out that won't implicate anyone if he ever flips.
Sharrant
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada543 Posts
May 05 2013 18:41 GMT
#4757
On May 06 2013 03:35 Palmar wrote:
Lol sharrant is correct. It's entirely possible I'm insane

Man I'm bad


There's a part of me that's hoping so hard that that's all this is.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
May 05 2013 18:41 GMT
#4758
On May 06 2013 03:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Sharrant, you're breakin mah balls man, breakin mah balls.
I really feel like the Town JK should claim here now that both BC and Palmar are back on the table. It'll at least help clear one of them.

HOW THE FUCK is BLUE BAITING SAVING EITHER OF THEM?
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 05 2013 18:42 GMT
#4759
This basically confirms sharrant as town when I flip town. If scum realized that I could be insane they'd shoot me out of fear that I would stumble upon one of them. Scum sharrant would have shot me last night
Computer says mafia
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
May 05 2013 18:42 GMT
#4760
On May 06 2013 03:41 TheRavensName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 03:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Sharrant, you're breakin mah balls man, breakin mah balls.
I really feel like the Town JK should claim here now that both BC and Palmar are back on the table. It'll at least help clear one of them.

HOW THE FUCK is BLUE BAITING SAVING EITHER OF THEM?

It's not baiting, it's outright asking for a claim. I'm not trying to hide anything.
Unless scum held their RB N1 or RBed one of their own (both of which I highly doubt) it'd confirm the one between Palmar/BC who isn't scum.
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