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On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote:
you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript
I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason.
You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me.
The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right.
TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi.
Well guess what?
##Vote: TheRavensName
I will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy.
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Alright thoughts on Hopeless:
Looks town early then the fucking Oats vote. Hopeless why would you do this as town? It just looks horrible---you didn't even MENTION him in the thread before that point.
And then the pressure on Sharrant...like...wtf.....
I guess bad town is possible here but damn. Calls Shiao town based on the Clarity lynch which means he was either voting Shiao just to spite Sharrant and make his scumread of him earlier look good? You could fucking vote for Shiao based on the fact that he was scum like I did...just really looks awful. I'm trying to find ways Hopeless can be town here but failing.
Howdoes he clearly defend me regarding the Miller claim issue when nobody else (aside from Ace) sees it? He even sees it from a completely different perspective than Ace yet comes to similar conclusions. Seems more likely to be scum here imo since he knows I'm town. Like....it's POSSIBLE he's town with that read but when NO ONE ELSE in the town shared it?
Haha oh unrelated I found something interesting: Shiao's WIFOMBomb he left before he died isn't WIFOM at all.
On May 01 2013 00:23 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 00:19 Hopeless1der wrote:On May 01 2013 00:13 ShiaoPi wrote:On May 01 2013 00:01 yamato77 wrote:On April 30 2013 23:48 ShiaoPi wrote:On April 30 2013 23:47 yamato77 wrote:On April 30 2013 23:43 ShiaoPi wrote:
yo guys,
kill gigyas, stutters and VE thats the scum team and kush or the cobbler are 3rd party.... What is this supposed to be? Just leaving behind my point of view, before someone stupid hammers me Looks like a WifomBomb® you dont say? Lets kill yamato too while we are at it so you're calling three scum, two 3rd parties and a Planar Dragon in there somewhere? dont forget two traitors: BM and Sharrant no in all seriousness, I am farily sure in gigyas and stutters, coinflipping between VE and palmar and I do think one of kush/cobbler are 3rd party
Looking at the first bomb he dropped (no mention of sharrant/BM/Palmar) I want to say everyone in that list is town. Then I bet he was yelled at in the scum QT by whoever the 'active' scum is to add a few. The 2nd Bomb is paranoia setting in; can't be 100% sure of the others he named but no mention of TRN/Geript is interesting. You can ignore the above if you want it's just something I noticed. (Personally since I see BM as town and so was Sharrant it almost makes me wonder if literally everyone in his 2nd bomb is town too...including Palmar.)
ANYWAY BACK TO HOPELESS READ
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On May 10 2013 06:12 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote:
you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me. The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what? ##Vote: TheRavensNameI will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy. You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.) If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar.
lol me.
Bring it, Raven.
Kush is probably town, god help me I'm thinking Hopeless might be town now as I finish my read, and Palmar is Palmar right now.
My vote on you remains until I see a reason to remove it.
And there are two things right now that will make me remove it.
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You're trying to 'resist' the analysis? What does that even mean? You don't want to being it to the thread for fear of derailing a lynch? You don't want to analyze me? If you did all sorts of work with Sharrant why not help the fucking town with it? I really don't understand your motivation here.
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Fuck I can't do it. I can't give Hopeless a townread his voting and lack of reasoning has just been so fucking awful. The stuff in between the voting isn't so bad but UGH.
THIS GAME IS TOO FUCKING HARD
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I think I'm eventually have to side with Artanis despite all my reading and just carpet-bomb the fuck out of that list. Too much scummy shit going on to be sure one way or the other and I just can't get solid reads on so many people.
Before that I will read into TRN though. Not sure when that will be finished.
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On May 10 2013 06:30 Hopeless1der wrote:
WoS, my votes primarily come down to consolidating and denying my scumreads the satisfaction. More recently they've been about self-preservation to a large extent, scummy as that may seem its still playing to my (i.e. Anyone's) win-con. I'm sorry I neglected to give more thought out reasoning and transparency for my actions. If a post-hoc explanation would assist in anything, let me know what you'd like me to comment on.
Interesting. Finish what you were doing first. EIther way you're not #1 on my napalm list today so you've got time. (assuming I can somehow sway thread sentiment anyway).
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On May 10 2013 06:35 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:12 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote:
you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me. The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what? ##Vote: TheRavensNameI will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy. You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.) If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar. lol me. Bring it, Raven. Kush is probably town, god help me I'm thinking Hopeless might be town now as I finish my read, and Palmar is Palmar right now. My vote on you remains until I see a reason to remove it. And there are two things right now that will make me remove it. And what two things would that be? Heres a little sample by the way: i went and decided to analyze the night kills: None of them thought WoS was townie basd off the last time they posted on them OO: + Show Spoiler +On May 01 2013 13:03 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 12:55 GiygaS wrote:
It's certainly a possibility, could you elaborate on it a bit more? I'm interested. Haven't gotten around to re-reading WoS as mentioned in this (I just pasted it into notepad) but here you go, full on crazy mode OO. + Show Spoiler [you asked for it] +Random conspiracy theory: WoS claims miller not because he is self-aware miller, but because he knows he will show up guilty to checks as 3P (same as miller). Idea come from Rayn + Show Spoiler +On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS promised to provide reads to make people believe him. geript, can you take a look at his filter from D2 and tell me what reads he provided that helps us finding scum? ShiaoPi and GiygaS, and "they deserve to be looked into".
First of all, if WoS thinks ShiaoPi is mafia, why does he think he has been "so wrong" at the start of D2, that he needed to claim..???? Also if he thought he is so wrong, why does he still want to look into ShiaoPi? He doesn't mention anyone as scum suspects that Shiao/GiygaS.
He does no research, just asks people what they do think about people. On April 28 2013 13:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:33 Ace wrote:
to be extra thorough - while it is still possible WoS is scum that miller claim doesn't warrant a vigi shot. It does nothing to free up extra information, as if WoS flips Miller it is a wasted shot. For now you should give him the benefit of the doubt. Look at other people on the Oats +Shiapi wagon clash cases. yamato and VE are both there. So is Palmar, hopeless1nder, and a few others. WoS is there too but as said I think he gets a temporary pass. Limit that pool via what you know by reading objectively first, then read them from both scum and town p.o.v. Do it for all of them! WoS doesn't come close to being the top vigi target when you do this. CheeseCake, Palmar, Sharrant (him not convinced yet though): Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Palmar wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% listen to this man, he speaketh truth Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Sharrant wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% Convince me on this one, I have some suspicions, let's figure out if they're the same. + I have said this on N1 and my read has never dropped: Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today
GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing
Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today
ShiaoPi - What Vivax said
+ TRN So that makes CC/Palmar/Me/TRN/somewhat Sharrant. I do not think any of those people are mafia. WoS claimed right after CC-Palmar-Sharrant posted. Overly defensive in the first place, now he says he wanted to avoid a DT check and mislynch on him. Bullshit i say, noone even mentions him being a good check. On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple. Think on the duality of that statement. Wasting a shot can be thought of as LOL I EAT BULLETS FOR BREAKFAST on top of being thought of I'M TOWN BRO. I need to review what WoS has been doing recently but this is what I intend to be looking for evidence for at this point, as well as considering the possibility that he is in fact just plain miller. Or maybe he's scum and suicidal because of what we've seen has been the presence of his team, I don't know? Really need to take another look through.... This does NOT explain any of the other kills or ANYTHING of the sort, I did no thinking outside of entertaining the idea, but if it's a possibility given what's presented here and any other kills can be explained by it, then maybe we caught ourselves a crafty one. Contrary to this idea: He's been pretty okay with dying in his words, but if he starts fighting his lynch after accepting that he has to die I might be concerned. Anyway there are what, 2 scum left to kill, he has a vested interest in finding them as well if he is 3P. Remember that BH just clarified that 3P kills are compulsive, as in they must shoot every night, so someone go Bill Nye on this if you want or go nowhere with it, I am going back to Vivax' filter. P.S Rayn is really good at this game, total serious, <3 Was entertaining the idea of a conspiracy theory that WoS was faking the miller claim. In fact, its his last real read post before the big BC case. Vivax: + Show Spoiler +On April 24 2013 04:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Scummy: Yamato, clarity,
Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi
Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE
Townie: Everyone else
No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx. I need to rework on this. I wrote it cause I thought it was a nightless game, cause instant majority and such. Reading the OP helps sometimes :| (Although he was going to die for nailing Shiao and Clarity during the night phase anyways.) Mr. CC: Died after claiming cop, mafia milked a mislynch then shot him before he could nail anyone else. Wanted WoS shot pretty badly, not a stretch to say he would oppose a lynch of him. Rayn: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2013 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Won't be able to post in earnest before daypost. Shoot me if you must, but imo I'd have a look at the people who WANT me dead and are calling me scum vs the ones who say that I must die simply because of the claim. GL town, you're in good hands. This def wasn't a great game for me; playing too pussy = bad. If I somehow survive I'm going balls out  I don't think there is anyone who thinks you are much town at the moment, so i'd rather look for people who are making scummy stuff instead of focusing on those who accuse you. Because, let's be hnest, this kind of stuff is what makes you look worse. You just OMGUS-read the people accusing you. Even WoS remembers this one. VE: Similiar to CC, wanted WoS either shot or eventually lynched. Also likely was dead regardless due to well, for being a cop. Sharrant: + Show Spoiler +On May 06 2013 05:27 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:01 getmoript wrote:
Sharrant, what do you think of my analysis of Ace's play. Do you find it completely consistent with BC/WoS scum team? It's certainly believeable. My biggest issue is that I believed that ShiaoPi wasn't scum after Clarity flipped, and I could see the same thing from Ace's perspective. I'll read more in his filter, and see if there's anything I can gleam from it. I like that you made the case, if you're sure about it, I want to see you make it stick. Analyze BC and WoS and let me know what you come up with. I'm not particularly looking at BC right now, but WoS certainly has my attention. Likely died because someone figured out he was JK. Was warming up to the idea of WoS being scum. One of the big claims WoS has to being town is that he pushed Shia over Sylencia. In my mind, this was a distancing attempt and a bus, and I mean it makes sense. Town will almost always go with the cop's red check unless the cop is certain hes insane. Therefore he could look like hes trying to save sylencia when its a mislynch that will solve itself.
No no. You don't get to do this.
Do you think I'm scum or not? If you do, tell the fucking thread why.
Here's a little sample about why that's wrong (intersting, but wrong)
You're randomly linking points at which someone said I was scummy during the thread. They didn't all think so right before they died: example being OO. Do you also honestly think the reason Sharrant was killed was because I figured him out? LOL. All me figuring it out means is that the whole fucking thread figured it out because for the most part I'm a dumbass. He practically outed himself right at the end, lol.
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Also you use Vivax as an example? He listed OO in that post as semi-scummy too.
If people wanted me killed they've had plenty of opportunity. The only I way I go down now is through NK and I doubt I'm very high priority. YOURE STUCK WITH ME 'TILL THE BITTER END
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On May 10 2013 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote:
I'll say this in defense of TRN:
ctrl+f: cedric
Read just those 3 posts that turn up and see how you feel, barring the rest of his filter. I got town from that exercise when I did it a couple days ago.
Yeah....that thing.
I'm going to do the same thing with his filter but that's probably the biggest point for town he's got. I'm not sure what it'll mean for my final read.
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On May 10 2013 06:45 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 06:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:35 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:12 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote:
you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me. The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what? ##Vote: TheRavensNameI will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy. You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.) If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar. lol me. Bring it, Raven. Kush is probably town, god help me I'm thinking Hopeless might be town now as I finish my read, and Palmar is Palmar right now. My vote on you remains until I see a reason to remove it. And there are two things right now that will make me remove it. And what two things would that be? Heres a little sample by the way: i went and decided to analyze the night kills: None of them thought WoS was townie basd off the last time they posted on them OO: + Show Spoiler +On May 01 2013 13:03 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 12:55 GiygaS wrote:
It's certainly a possibility, could you elaborate on it a bit more? I'm interested. Haven't gotten around to re-reading WoS as mentioned in this (I just pasted it into notepad) but here you go, full on crazy mode OO. + Show Spoiler [you asked for it] +Random conspiracy theory: WoS claims miller not because he is self-aware miller, but because he knows he will show up guilty to checks as 3P (same as miller). Idea come from Rayn + Show Spoiler +On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS promised to provide reads to make people believe him. geript, can you take a look at his filter from D2 and tell me what reads he provided that helps us finding scum? ShiaoPi and GiygaS, and "they deserve to be looked into".
First of all, if WoS thinks ShiaoPi is mafia, why does he think he has been "so wrong" at the start of D2, that he needed to claim..???? Also if he thought he is so wrong, why does he still want to look into ShiaoPi? He doesn't mention anyone as scum suspects that Shiao/GiygaS.
He does no research, just asks people what they do think about people. On April 28 2013 13:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:33 Ace wrote:
to be extra thorough - while it is still possible WoS is scum that miller claim doesn't warrant a vigi shot. It does nothing to free up extra information, as if WoS flips Miller it is a wasted shot. For now you should give him the benefit of the doubt. Look at other people on the Oats +Shiapi wagon clash cases. yamato and VE are both there. So is Palmar, hopeless1nder, and a few others. WoS is there too but as said I think he gets a temporary pass. Limit that pool via what you know by reading objectively first, then read them from both scum and town p.o.v. Do it for all of them! WoS doesn't come close to being the top vigi target when you do this. CheeseCake, Palmar, Sharrant (him not convinced yet though): Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Palmar wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% listen to this man, he speaketh truth Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Sharrant wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% Convince me on this one, I have some suspicions, let's figure out if they're the same. + I have said this on N1 and my read has never dropped: Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today
GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing
Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today
ShiaoPi - What Vivax said
+ TRN So that makes CC/Palmar/Me/TRN/somewhat Sharrant. I do not think any of those people are mafia. WoS claimed right after CC-Palmar-Sharrant posted. Overly defensive in the first place, now he says he wanted to avoid a DT check and mislynch on him. Bullshit i say, noone even mentions him being a good check. On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple. Think on the duality of that statement. Wasting a shot can be thought of as LOL I EAT BULLETS FOR BREAKFAST on top of being thought of I'M TOWN BRO. I need to review what WoS has been doing recently but this is what I intend to be looking for evidence for at this point, as well as considering the possibility that he is in fact just plain miller. Or maybe he's scum and suicidal because of what we've seen has been the presence of his team, I don't know? Really need to take another look through.... This does NOT explain any of the other kills or ANYTHING of the sort, I did no thinking outside of entertaining the idea, but if it's a possibility given what's presented here and any other kills can be explained by it, then maybe we caught ourselves a crafty one. Contrary to this idea: He's been pretty okay with dying in his words, but if he starts fighting his lynch after accepting that he has to die I might be concerned. Anyway there are what, 2 scum left to kill, he has a vested interest in finding them as well if he is 3P. Remember that BH just clarified that 3P kills are compulsive, as in they must shoot every night, so someone go Bill Nye on this if you want or go nowhere with it, I am going back to Vivax' filter. P.S Rayn is really good at this game, total serious, <3 Was entertaining the idea of a conspiracy theory that WoS was faking the miller claim. In fact, its his last real read post before the big BC case. Vivax: + Show Spoiler +On April 24 2013 04:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Scummy: Yamato, clarity,
Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi
Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE
Townie: Everyone else
No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx. I need to rework on this. I wrote it cause I thought it was a nightless game, cause instant majority and such. Reading the OP helps sometimes :| (Although he was going to die for nailing Shiao and Clarity during the night phase anyways.) Mr. CC: Died after claiming cop, mafia milked a mislynch then shot him before he could nail anyone else. Wanted WoS shot pretty badly, not a stretch to say he would oppose a lynch of him. Rayn: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2013 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Won't be able to post in earnest before daypost. Shoot me if you must, but imo I'd have a look at the people who WANT me dead and are calling me scum vs the ones who say that I must die simply because of the claim. GL town, you're in good hands. This def wasn't a great game for me; playing too pussy = bad. If I somehow survive I'm going balls out I don't think there is anyone who thinks you are much town at the moment, so i'd rather look for people who are making scummy stuff instead of focusing on those who accuse you. Because, let's be hnest, this kind of stuff is what makes you look worse. You just OMGUS-read the people accusing you. Even WoS remembers this one. VE: Similiar to CC, wanted WoS either shot or eventually lynched. Also likely was dead regardless due to well, for being a cop. Sharrant: + Show Spoiler +On May 06 2013 05:27 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:01 getmoript wrote:
Sharrant, what do you think of my analysis of Ace's play. Do you find it completely consistent with BC/WoS scum team? It's certainly believeable. My biggest issue is that I believed that ShiaoPi wasn't scum after Clarity flipped, and I could see the same thing from Ace's perspective. I'll read more in his filter, and see if there's anything I can gleam from it. I like that you made the case, if you're sure about it, I want to see you make it stick. Analyze BC and WoS and let me know what you come up with. I'm not particularly looking at BC right now, but WoS certainly has my attention. Likely died because someone figured out he was JK. Was warming up to the idea of WoS being scum. One of the big claims WoS has to being town is that he pushed Shia over Sylencia. In my mind, this was a distancing attempt and a bus, and I mean it makes sense. Town will almost always go with the cop's red check unless the cop is certain hes insane. Therefore he could look like hes trying to save sylencia when its a mislynch that will solve itself. No no. You don't get to do this. Do you think I'm scum or not? If you do, tell the fucking thread why. Here's a little sample about why that's wrong (intersting, but wrong) You're randomly linking points at which someone said I was scummy during the thread. They didn't all think so right before they died: example being OO. Do you also honestly think the reason Sharrant was killed was because I figured him out? LOL. All me figuring it out means is that the whole fucking thread figured it out because for the most part I'm a dumbass. He practically outed himself right at the end, lol. Actually, I went into their filter and searched ALL of their posts by Wave, and WoS and read all of the results. Thes are the last ones that post an opinon of you.
So what? Were they all cursing my name with their last dying breaths? Was I their main focus...like....ever?
AM I SCUM OR NOT?
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On May 10 2013 06:55 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 06:49 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:45 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 06:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:35 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:12 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote:
you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me. The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what? ##Vote: TheRavensNameI will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy. You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.) If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar. lol me. Bring it, Raven. Kush is probably town, god help me I'm thinking Hopeless might be town now as I finish my read, and Palmar is Palmar right now. My vote on you remains until I see a reason to remove it. And there are two things right now that will make me remove it. And what two things would that be? Heres a little sample by the way: i went and decided to analyze the night kills: None of them thought WoS was townie basd off the last time they posted on them OO: + Show Spoiler +On May 01 2013 13:03 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 12:55 GiygaS wrote:
It's certainly a possibility, could you elaborate on it a bit more? I'm interested. Haven't gotten around to re-reading WoS as mentioned in this (I just pasted it into notepad) but here you go, full on crazy mode OO. + Show Spoiler [you asked for it] +Random conspiracy theory: WoS claims miller not because he is self-aware miller, but because he knows he will show up guilty to checks as 3P (same as miller). Idea come from Rayn + Show Spoiler +On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS promised to provide reads to make people believe him. geript, can you take a look at his filter from D2 and tell me what reads he provided that helps us finding scum? ShiaoPi and GiygaS, and "they deserve to be looked into".
First of all, if WoS thinks ShiaoPi is mafia, why does he think he has been "so wrong" at the start of D2, that he needed to claim..???? Also if he thought he is so wrong, why does he still want to look into ShiaoPi? He doesn't mention anyone as scum suspects that Shiao/GiygaS.
He does no research, just asks people what they do think about people. On April 28 2013 13:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:33 Ace wrote:
to be extra thorough - while it is still possible WoS is scum that miller claim doesn't warrant a vigi shot. It does nothing to free up extra information, as if WoS flips Miller it is a wasted shot. For now you should give him the benefit of the doubt. Look at other people on the Oats +Shiapi wagon clash cases. yamato and VE are both there. So is Palmar, hopeless1nder, and a few others. WoS is there too but as said I think he gets a temporary pass. Limit that pool via what you know by reading objectively first, then read them from both scum and town p.o.v. Do it for all of them! WoS doesn't come close to being the top vigi target when you do this. CheeseCake, Palmar, Sharrant (him not convinced yet though): Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Palmar wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% listen to this man, he speaketh truth Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Sharrant wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% Convince me on this one, I have some suspicions, let's figure out if they're the same. + I have said this on N1 and my read has never dropped: Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today
GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing
Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today
ShiaoPi - What Vivax said
+ TRN So that makes CC/Palmar/Me/TRN/somewhat Sharrant. I do not think any of those people are mafia. WoS claimed right after CC-Palmar-Sharrant posted. Overly defensive in the first place, now he says he wanted to avoid a DT check and mislynch on him. Bullshit i say, noone even mentions him being a good check. On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple. Think on the duality of that statement. Wasting a shot can be thought of as LOL I EAT BULLETS FOR BREAKFAST on top of being thought of I'M TOWN BRO. I need to review what WoS has been doing recently but this is what I intend to be looking for evidence for at this point, as well as considering the possibility that he is in fact just plain miller. Or maybe he's scum and suicidal because of what we've seen has been the presence of his team, I don't know? Really need to take another look through.... This does NOT explain any of the other kills or ANYTHING of the sort, I did no thinking outside of entertaining the idea, but if it's a possibility given what's presented here and any other kills can be explained by it, then maybe we caught ourselves a crafty one. Contrary to this idea: He's been pretty okay with dying in his words, but if he starts fighting his lynch after accepting that he has to die I might be concerned. Anyway there are what, 2 scum left to kill, he has a vested interest in finding them as well if he is 3P. Remember that BH just clarified that 3P kills are compulsive, as in they must shoot every night, so someone go Bill Nye on this if you want or go nowhere with it, I am going back to Vivax' filter. P.S Rayn is really good at this game, total serious, <3 Was entertaining the idea of a conspiracy theory that WoS was faking the miller claim. In fact, its his last real read post before the big BC case. Vivax: + Show Spoiler +On April 24 2013 04:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Scummy: Yamato, clarity,
Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi
Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE
Townie: Everyone else
No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx. I need to rework on this. I wrote it cause I thought it was a nightless game, cause instant majority and such. Reading the OP helps sometimes :| (Although he was going to die for nailing Shiao and Clarity during the night phase anyways.) Mr. CC: Died after claiming cop, mafia milked a mislynch then shot him before he could nail anyone else. Wanted WoS shot pretty badly, not a stretch to say he would oppose a lynch of him. Rayn: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2013 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Won't be able to post in earnest before daypost. Shoot me if you must, but imo I'd have a look at the people who WANT me dead and are calling me scum vs the ones who say that I must die simply because of the claim. GL town, you're in good hands. This def wasn't a great game for me; playing too pussy = bad. If I somehow survive I'm going balls out I don't think there is anyone who thinks you are much town at the moment, so i'd rather look for people who are making scummy stuff instead of focusing on those who accuse you. Because, let's be hnest, this kind of stuff is what makes you look worse. You just OMGUS-read the people accusing you. Even WoS remembers this one. VE: Similiar to CC, wanted WoS either shot or eventually lynched. Also likely was dead regardless due to well, for being a cop. Sharrant: + Show Spoiler +On May 06 2013 05:27 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:01 getmoript wrote:
Sharrant, what do you think of my analysis of Ace's play. Do you find it completely consistent with BC/WoS scum team? It's certainly believeable. My biggest issue is that I believed that ShiaoPi wasn't scum after Clarity flipped, and I could see the same thing from Ace's perspective. I'll read more in his filter, and see if there's anything I can gleam from it. I like that you made the case, if you're sure about it, I want to see you make it stick. Analyze BC and WoS and let me know what you come up with. I'm not particularly looking at BC right now, but WoS certainly has my attention. Likely died because someone figured out he was JK. Was warming up to the idea of WoS being scum. One of the big claims WoS has to being town is that he pushed Shia over Sylencia. In my mind, this was a distancing attempt and a bus, and I mean it makes sense. Town will almost always go with the cop's red check unless the cop is certain hes insane. Therefore he could look like hes trying to save sylencia when its a mislynch that will solve itself. No no. You don't get to do this. Do you think I'm scum or not? If you do, tell the fucking thread why. Here's a little sample about why that's wrong (intersting, but wrong) You're randomly linking points at which someone said I was scummy during the thread. They didn't all think so right before they died: example being OO. Do you also honestly think the reason Sharrant was killed was because I figured him out? LOL. All me figuring it out means is that the whole fucking thread figured it out because for the most part I'm a dumbass. He practically outed himself right at the end, lol. Actually, I went into their filter and searched ALL of their posts by Wave, and WoS and read all of the results. Thes are the last ones that post an opinon of you. So what? Were they all cursing my name with their last dying breaths? Was I their main focus...like....ever? AM I SCUM OR NOT? I DON'T FUCKING KNOW! AM I?
I don't know. 
But the difference between what you did and what I did is I'm showing commitment to a read. I'm systematically going through and seeing if I can back up my gutread on you.
On May 10 2013 06:12 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote:
you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me. The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what? ##Vote: TheRavensNameI will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy. You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.) If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar.
You just threatened me with some shit from a mason QT amongst a bunch of other scumreads, and tried to divert me to 'scummier' people in the thread. And when I asked you specifically about the things you posted I found scummy, you ignored it.
See the difference there?
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Ugh, malware on my wife's laptop. It may take me a little longer to get to my read of TRN. Again I think it the end it's going to be just to fucking napalm the shit out of half the thread until we kill all scum.
Show of hands, is anyone else on board for this, and if so, what is the order in which you'd like to do it?
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Fuck it, cba.
Even I get it sometimes.
##Unvote: TheRavensName
##Vote: Palmar
For reasons given earlier.
If I get the chance mabes I'll look into TRN tomorrow.
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Although one thing to note:
Atm Giggles has 3 votes on him despite me and Artanis clearly reading him as town.
What does this mean?
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Those fucking spiderman pics kill me.
Ill be at a computer in a little bit, might have active time today to go at TRN. At the very least Palmar ill show you why my vote's on you.
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The problem I am having here is the same as Palmar just pointed outn and TRN pointed out about me earlier. Too few people who I can read as solely town due to their actions. Hopeless for me is one of those people: his voting is scummy as all fuck but his actions seem towny. I want to look into TRN just because. Palmar for reasons I have outlined in the past. I will link the post when I have computer access.
Kush you of all people have absolutely no right to question what I am doing or why.
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On May 09 2013 01:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Aw, here you go and actually put effort into something...I was so set to troll the rest of the night too.
I don't understand how you can exude such an attitude of complete confidence despite your performance this game; it's that arrogance that kush outlined that absolutely infuriates me, including your propensity to compltely ignore or shrug off those points from people you deem 'terrible' and either not worth your time or not worth listening to. (This may just be referring to me in this case, but it's an attitude I see from a few players on mafia, BC included. Ace appears to be an exception.)
Despite the fact that you see me and my cases as terrible, I've been right about quite a few things this game (though nobody appears to acknowledge this---yet you're constantly bringing up things YOU were right about), and I also know who the JK is, and have for a little while now. There are many things that I have contributed that simply get bypassed because my way of figuring out the game doesn't fit within the brackets of what you would determine to be 'good play' yet apparently achieves the same result (or in this case, BETTER results if people ever listened to me).
I was unsure about your case originally when I wrote it, but if you'd read it wasn't necessarily a case to get you lynched, it was merely a summation of my thoughts on you, some points and counterpoints, and then I literally said "I dunno guys, help me out." AND NOBODY DID. Town is a team, and no one can be sure of their own cases/reads all of the time, not even you, yet many people treat their reads as G-d's word to fucking Moses. It was an opening for you or anyone else to say: "your case is shit and here's why." "Or I agree for such and such reasons" But nobody did so I was left with my own thoughts echoing in my head.
I'm going to wipe all bias I have clean when I look into you over the next little bit, just as I did the first time. If you ignore it then despite what I find I will be pushing for your lynch tomorrow as I will therefore not be seeing you as an asset to town alive, only through the information gleaned by your death. Whether or not people listen to me on that will not matter to me. Whether or not you feel threatened by this does not matter to me. If you, or other people respond, perhaps we can actually begin to solve this game properly.
I gave you ample warning Palmar, not only here, but in a couple posts after this I believe.
You once again ignored my analysis of you, therefore you are my target. Just because you believe people are voting you for no reason doesn't make it true. You had plenty of opportunity to address my questions towards you as well as my case and you chose to ignore them once again. I will be taking that as a scum response, assuming you have no good answers to the questions I have posited.
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On May 10 2013 23:58 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 23:51 WaveofShadow wrote:
Kush you of all people have absolutely no right to question what I am doing or why. ok then can someone else question WoS on why Hopeless' actions look townie? Can someone else ask Wos, what actions specifically look townie? Is it his megaposts full of townreads? Also can someone inform WoS that it looks like hopeless is going to get lynched today, and he should be your main focus atm. Pushing two suspects that no one is going to listen to is not helpful to the game right now.
Kush, I don't give a shit if you've decided to be all supertown 2 weeks into the game; your push means nothing to me. If I find Hopeless scummy it will be because of something anyone but you did.
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Artanis, if Hopeless goes down today and flips town, what is our next course of action?
It seems people will want to look into Gigs....
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