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On May 16 2013 08:53 getmoript wrote:

[spioler]
This is the most I saw you write on him and comes after pushing VE for a while. I don't consider that amazing especially since those numerous 'confirmed townies' were 2 CC and Kush. Now who's lying since wasn't it Vivax and BM who brought Clarity to the forefront?

On May 16 2013 09:05 WaveofShadow wrote:

Who were those confirmed townies?
I believe I asked you something similar to this when I was making cases against you earlier on and I don't remember there being a conclusive answer.

On May 16 2013 09:16 GiygaS wrote:
I'll be in soon, but I'll offer this. It's very probable that either/both of geript/Palmar are scum. 50/50. The reason for this is that if Palmar is town, and a town voted for town, mafia would jump on that instantly and win the game. If geript is scum, voting for town, he's waiting on a townie to vote, for his scummate to then jump on and win.

Let's be careful.

On May 16 2013 09:11 WaveofShadow wrote:

Yeah, if that's ok.

I'm still trying to determine what the best way of attacking the day is; I have some ideas but I'm going to need time.
BC and Gigs, if you two are town you'd better get the fuck back here and start some goddamn discussion or something.
If you're scum, don't bother.

On April 27 2013 20:05 Bill Murray wrote:
Palmar gave my reasoning, when I first attacked the case: the timing of it is suspect. "oh i was reading 70 pages an hour before that" "oh i had time to filter dive" "oh i went back and read the 2 pages randomly" yeah, no.

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On April 27 2013 22:07 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


done.

On April 28 2013 06:47 kushm4sta wrote:
palmar convinced me to vote clarity!

On May 16 2013 09:28 getmoript wrote:

No, I admitted that there's no good reason for BC, you or me to be alive. And yes, I hold a good player to a higher standard than myself. Can you explain why you've been so wrong Emperor Palmtree?

On April 21 2013 19:36 Palmar wrote:


I think the absurdity and yet strange value of this heuristic makes Vivax very likely to be town. To the point that almost nothing would make me want to lynch him today.

Discuss.

On April 21 2013 20:00 Palmar wrote:


There are two ways of looking at your post. First option is that you're town and legitimately think I'm scum. The second is you're scum and know I'm town and thus want to discredit me.

Since you didn't present any arguments to back up your conclusion, I am inclined to think you must be scum.

So until you present a believable motivation for your accusations...

##vote Oatsmaster

On April 23 2013 00:33 Palmar wrote:
lazy ve is scum ve

##Vote VisceraEyes

On April 22 2013 08:43 Palmar wrote:
Just for the record I would be pretty heavily leaning scum on geript if it wasn't for the QT thing.

The most alarming thing is not actually the random town-read on me, but his explanation of sylencia's alignment:



When this read was made Sylencia had posted the following:








This "read" is based on absolutely nothing, and whether or not Sylencia is a noob has almost nothing to do with his read. I don't understand this read and why on earth it's part of his "analysis".

On April 27 2013 18:58 Palmar wrote:
Still think VE is the best lynch.

But I do agree with a clarity lynch. I still don't understand how he entered the thread "catching up" and then had a fully fledged case within an hour. There was additionally no interest in pushing that lynch any harder. There is literally not a single "sharrant" in his filter after the case.

It just doesn't feel natural. He didn't ask Sharrant anything to try to determine his alignment, no "hey sharrant, explain this" or "what do you think about this". Just a straight up case with no build-up and no follow-up. Which basically tells me his heart wasn't really in it.

So with that I'm switching my vote to Clarity.

Lessgo.

On April 28 2013 05:54 Palmar wrote:
btw cheesecake and grush confirmed town because they were excited enough to break game rules because they wanted the flip so badly.

not many scumspects left.

On May 03 2013 23:36 Palmar wrote:
By the way Artanis looks pretty town based on how he backtracked on the Ace thing.

On May 04 2013 06:42 Palmar wrote:
Let's talk about Artanis. I had him pretty strongly as town based on how he reacted to the Ace thing, it just seems to me scum would've more carefully chosen their position on the issue, and not be persuaded so easily to just go "oh well, I'm an idiot, let's do what I said we shouldn't do".

here's the post I mentioned him being town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18487429

here's the backtrack (within a page):

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18482210

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18482256

What do you think about him?

On May 04 2013 06:37 Palmar wrote:


Even then he very quickly took a stance on shiaopi and clarity, in both cases calling them scum. I'm not sure, it could've been been bus, but it's a pretty hard bus if it is.

He even rejected both the VE and Palmar attempts on day 2 in favor of trying to lynch shiaopi


This is not even the first time he mentions shiaopi. At least he was aware of cases being made against shiaopi, as demonstrated by this port here:



While I'm not going to go as far as give a townread on him, I'd say he's unlikely to be scum.

On May 04 2013 07:04 Palmar wrote:
Few things about kush. I haven't played with him enough to know if he's an asshole as any alignment, but generally the aggressive moves (like demanding those essays) are more townielike.

He also made a few posts that just don't add perfectly up if he's scum. The first one being the misconception about the scum night kill, because it's hard to feign the idea so casually:



Also, this read of his on VE:



Means he's thinking about the game from a townie perspective. No one else (I can remember) pointed out this idea that VE was town based on this.

The last point has an obvious bias, knowing I am town:



Kush basically understands that this post cannot be made by a scum palmar as it's too legit and too in line with what I had been saying all day. Maybe he's a scummer giving me a warm fuzzy feeling about the posts, but it's just too many little things that kush has done throughout the game for me to call him scum.

On May 06 2013 02:20 Palmar wrote:
btw to everyone who got confused about what happened tonight between me and BC.

I'm not as certain as I used to be that BC is scum... but look at what he did and how he did it last night. I'm somewhat conflicted but it certainly looks like he had some sort of questions regarding the targets he selected, only to immediately drop them when I explained my stance.







By my count he has like 6 serious suspicions (including me) before we started our back and forth.

It just doesn't look right.

Also I feel like the effort put into that back-and-forth was somewhat uneven. (me doing a lot, BC doing little).

But I need to think on it.

On May 06 2013 03:42 Palmar wrote:
This basically confirms sharrant as town when I flip town. If scum realized that I could be insane they'd shoot me out of fear that I would stumble upon one of them. Scum sharrant would have shot me last night

On May 07 2013 08:11 Palmar wrote:
To drive the point home. Yamato has almost no reasoning for any of his reads, he shared in his reads posts basically no concrete evidence for any of his reads, even when there's plenty of it, he didn't try to demonstrate any of his reads, simply posted them and called people various buzzwords. "involved" or "trying hard"

I certainly agree with many of his reads, although he seems fairly flippy floppy on for example kush who is one of my strongest town reads.

The BC point is the worst, he literally has no reason to think I'm scum above BC.

Let's kill yamato guys.

On May 09 2013 07:41 Palmar wrote:


I actually have a meta reason for being almost certain that BM is town. In PYP I made a case on him on day one as to being scum:



so I had BM's meta very freshly in my mind. So what I did was simply compare these two games and his involvement early on:

Arkham City (Town BM): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305850&user=54241

Boardwalk-PYP (Scum BM): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766&user=54241

and then this game.

I actually thought it was BM who was the JK for a long time, based on this:



and the excitement about roles reminded me of his AC play (not being able to shut up about roles)




In addition, just look at how terrible his PYP filter is, it's basically aggressive oneliners, stark contrast with his attempts at figuring things out day 1 here.

On May 09 2013 08:25 Palmar wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=408855&user=208813

This dude actually has yet to vote scum... ever.

But to be fair his lone ranger vote on me during the Shiaopi lynch would be strange if he's scum since he the next vote is shiaopi's self-hammer (i think it was).

On May 10 2013 19:04 Palmar wrote:
when in doubt I guess we go with the basics.

Townies seem to think giggles is town, and giggles is more active than hopeless (although not by much)

simple postcount reveals hopeless has about 30 posts 4-10 may. He has shown less interest than most people.

So yeah, I don't have good reasons for this, I'm too confused by this game and I'm not kidding when I say it completely fucks me over when people call me scum for no reasons.

So yes, I'm proposing we lynch hopeless over giggles because yamato (and wos) seem to think giggles is town, and hopeless has less sheer activity.

It's not good reasoning, which is somewhat ironic I suppose. But I'm resigned to the fact that I just don't know this game. So I'm using a measurable metric that's freely available.

Seeing as I have no clue anyway, if people still want to kill me, I suppose you guys can. Just remember that you did it with absolutely no good reasoning. There is not a single logical reason to think I'm scum. The only possible reasons I can think of is a) people wanting to be dicks, or b) people being afraid that somehow I'm amazing at playing scum.

For once I'd love to play the role of a clueless but obvious town. Because I don't know the solution to this game I've spent a lot of time trying to explain why I should be obvious town, but I think reason b) is getting in the way of people. Hell, yamato said something in the lieu of "you haven't done anything scummy but you're still scum". Which is almost certainly some kind of fear.

I'm very willing to be convinced for an alternative lynch (and I still would take a geript lynch), but until such time that I am, I'm parking my vote on hopeless, based on activity and interest.

##Unvote
##Vote Hopeless1der

On May 17 2013 05:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


who do you think is scum Palmar?

On May 17 2013 05:51 WaveofShadow wrote:
Haha I'm talking about this to my wife right now and she's says you're scum, Palmar.
GG.