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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 27 2013 21:06 GMT
#2317
On April 28 2013 06:05 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 05:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Nice. Was expecting this to be honest due to host leniency on the inactivity and the fact that one scum already got modkilled.


everyone gets one warning regardless of alignment

Ah, I missed the warning for Tube in the daypost. I thought he didn't get a warning, nevermind then.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 27 2013 21:12 GMT
#2321
On April 28 2013 06:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 05:54 Palmar wrote:
btw cheesecake and grush confirmed town because they were excited enough to break game rules because they wanted the flip so badly.

not many scumspects left.


This isnt a solid rule to follow. I yell for flips as scum too, see noir.

confirmed town for refusing to take towncred
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 27 2013 21:19 GMT
#2329
On April 28 2013 06:14 grush57 wrote:
i take free cred thankya kind sir.

i still think giygas is scum.
I don't know if it would be possible for both candidates to be scum.

GiygaS has been on my radar too since trying to catch up with the game (got lazy and quit at pg 31). This post triggered my scumdar hard. Sounds so appeasing and manufactured.
On April 22 2013 03:54 GiygaS wrote:
Ok, just getting caught up and this is the third time writing this post as it always seems to go back a page right before I finish.

#1: Please give us a way to see who out of the two of you is talking every post getmoript. I know it's mostly going to be geript, but it would just be nice for clarity's sake. A simple "-geript" at the end of a post would be nice.

#2: I honestly don't know what to think of this strange heuristic thing, and I'm honestly more interested to see how oats responds to Palmar, and how Palmar responds to that. I'm overall getting a town-read on Vivax since as Cheesecake said, recklessness is usually a town trait.It's a pretty weak town read, but I just want to get out of this stupid argument that is really getting us nowhere now.

#3: Are we even sure that BM was roleclaiming Snape(self-aware miller)? It's probable, but I want to hear his response before confirming that. On that subject, milllers should not roleclaim. It's been said already that we may want to policy lynch roleclaiming millers from this point on, and I'd agree with that, as we can't speculate on what kind of rolelist blazinghand gave us. We don't know how many there are, and as such can not use that info productively (who knows, maybe BH gave us 5 self-aware millers).

Those are my thoughts so far, it's good to be back! :D

Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 27 2013 21:27 GMT
#2332
You think VE and Yamato are scum together? Do you think Yamato tried getting VE lynched this hard, even after knowing that scum had two members that were inactive as all hell and likely to die soon?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 27 2013 22:28 GMT
#2374
BM why is BC obvtown and VE scum?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 27 2013 23:13 GMT
#2381
I like your post Rayn, but I still find it hard to believe that VE is scum. The way he's playing contrasts the scum game I played with him in PYP so much in a way I don't think he would if he landed in a scum team with two players that basically went AFK and a bunch of suspicion on him. He seems willing to pick up the glove and contribute. I will say that your counter wagon thing especially given that the scum that flipped was a vigi too holds a lot of water, but if I can compare it to the PYP game I played again; There were three lynch candidates on D1, me, VE, and shelvocke. All three of us were scum. If scum has no town presence, then these situations can happen.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 27 2013 23:27 GMT
#2383
He made a case on RO after I prodded him in the QT for a bit. In general, he posted a lot less and seemed a lot less willing to help town than he has in this game. Whenever he was around on D2, he posted. His sheer activity level and inquisitions make me feel he's town.

Looking at ShiaoPi in a vacuum, yes, I think he's scum. Started out active, then activity took a nosedive. He seemed to not care much about getting lynched either, which given that if he was scum, would be explained by having at least two inactive teammates. He said he'd post more after going to bed. He hasn't come back to the thread in more than 24 hours.

Like I said, it could very well be that scum doesn't have any presence in town and therefore have no control of whom gets pushed. It happened to us in PYP.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 27 2013 23:41 GMT
#2387
Rayn, there's another reason but I can't divulge it until VE returns to the thread. As for scum not pushing any other lynch, like I said, they probably don't have any thread presence. Perhaps they tried earlier in the day but failed as we consolidated onto two wagons and didn't see a chance to get in there.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 28 2013 11:52 GMT
#2587
On April 28 2013 16:30 ObviousOne wrote:
Artanis only ever voted for Marv. Marv isn't in the game. Only scum read I can find in filter is from early Day 1 (GiygaS). Hasn't caught up with the game yet????

Yeah, there's still 40 pages I'd need to catch up on but from what I've skimmed most of that was Oats vs Yamato shitflinging and I believe Yamato to be town so I have no interest in reading through that mess.
I haven't voted anyone because I still wanted to read the game more thoroughly before voting. In an instant majority game with no deadline I saw no reason to end the day before I had someone that I felt certain was scum. I filtered Hopeless and Clarity and at the time didn't find either convincing. I have spent most of my interactions trying to get my townreads not to yell at eachother.

I have a few current scumreads but I haven't filtered them yet. Shortlist includes Kush, GiygaS, Shiao, Sylencia and BC.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 28 2013 13:14 GMT
#2591
I don't need to read the entire game to see that you're town VE. I'll indulge you and give a few short words why I suspect each though.
Kush: Bandwagoned on rayn, playing lazy, soft defends GiygaS
GiygaS: Aforementioned quote triggered my scumdar.
ShiaoPi: Active and happy during the early game, then activity took a nosedive for no apparent reason. Nothing of worth in filter.
Sylencia: Lots of shitty posts, hard to tell if he's scum or bad town given history of mislynches.
BC: Practically AFK during D1, comes back with a shitty case on Yamato filled with false accusations and confirmation bias. A tunnel that he's been on for some time now. BC should be better then that.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 28 2013 17:32 GMT
#2611
BC, do you think being lazy makes me scum?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 28 2013 17:52 GMT
#2615
On April 29 2013 02:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 02:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
BC, do you think being lazy makes me scum?


Yes. Not being caught up on the thread while actively stating reads (although with weak reasoning) is incredibly shady. That is time that could have been spent reading and forming more solid reads or taking more information into account for a read.

Reading 40+ pages and analyzing them takes longer than reading along with current thread events. The latter is also more fun.
I've always said that I hate big games, and this game was already underway for 60+ pages by the time I replaced in. This has nothing to do with alignment, just with my personality.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 28 2013 18:05 GMT
#2619
Whether you think it's a weak excuse or not is of little consequence, for it is the truth. I'll probably filter my scumspects in the coming days and build my case around that. If there's things in there that can be explained through context then I'll read that context then.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 28 2013 21:24 GMT
#2683
I'd say there's a good chance Grush got shot by a vig. He was pretty much unreadable. If he wasn't, I doubt we have one since there were plenty of targets to choose from.

Rayn is an understandable choice. He was under minor suspicion but very unlikely to get lynched, as well as unlikely to be protected.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 28 2013 21:47 GMT
#2687
On April 29 2013 06:46 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 06:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'd say there's a good chance Grush got shot by a vig. He was pretty much unreadable. If he wasn't, I doubt we have one since there were plenty of targets to choose from.

Rayn is an understandable choice. He was under minor suspicion but very unlikely to get lynched, as well as unlikely to be protected.


Grush was obvtown and you're bad.

VE was obvtown so you're bad too.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 28 2013 21:50 GMT
#2689
Why the sudden change of heart?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 28 2013 23:04 GMT
#2710
On April 29 2013 08:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
We should kill sylencia.

More when I get home.

Summary: he scum.

10/10 would read summary again
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 28 2013 23:12 GMT
#2711
On April 29 2013 07:49 Palmar wrote:
I want to kill the cobbler.

Will it be as convincing as your push on VE?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 28 2013 23:14 GMT
#2714
On April 29 2013 08:13 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 08:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On April 29 2013 07:49 Palmar wrote:
I want to kill the cobbler.

Will it be as convincing as your push on VE?

Are you telling me you don't want to lynch the cobbler?

No, I would be happy to lynch the cobbler. Your change of target pleases me, but I was wondering what kind of expectations I should have for your push of him.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 28 2013 23:21 GMT
#2717
Yes. I would like to lynch the cobbler.
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