I think there's some actual suspicion of me somewhere in there from BC, which means he actually thought about my alignment, which eliminates the possibility of him being mafia and knowing alignments. I also don't feel like his play is suited for mafia, because mafia have a vested interest in pushing their agenda. The only person who's agenda is to simply not get lynched is Rita Skeeter, and for that, his play fits perfectly.

yamato77

11589 Posts

May 02 2013 14:47 GMT

#4268

If I'm right about Hopeless, I actually think Ace really is the other mafia. He seems pretty demotivated about this game now, isn't pushing anything strongly, and acquiesces to lynching Hopeless without any comment on my case, why he suddenly believes me, or how he's arrived at that conclusion.

For someone who so vehemently called me mafia the whole game, he sure does feel fine with simply hopping along with the town sentiment I've created with the wagon on Hopeless. Bear in mind, he would do this regardless of Hopeless' alignment, because if Hopeless is mafia, he cannot risk sticking his neck out to save him when I have town sentiment on my side.

He's obviously here, reading the thread, so that means he's not simply inactive. He's lurking, but not providing any input on why he feels Hopeless is a good lynch, and is obviously not invested enough in his read of Palmar to push it over my case on Hopeless.

yamato77

11589 Posts

May 02 2013 14:53 GMT

#4269

So basically, we can lynch Hopeless/BC/Ace in any order, and likely win the game.

The only other person I'm even half worried about is Palmar, and we have enough lynches, assuming that not all three of those people are town, to deal with him as well.

yamato77

11589 Posts

May 02 2013 15:05 GMT

#4271

No Jack has vigilante powers.

I guess there has to be a 3rd Party SP, given the two deaths night 2. In that case, you guys are probably right about it being Ace.

yamato77

11589 Posts

May 02 2013 15:16 GMT

#4274

On May 01 2013 11:47 Blazinghand wrote:
Question answers and clarification:
Minimum scum KP is 1.
Scum KP is delivered factionally and is not subject to RB.
Due the the possibility of there being 3p, neither scum nor town is not allowed to concede in this game.
SK and SP both are compulsive-- they must target someone every night.
SK and SP shots cannot be protected against by Doctor, Veteran, JK, or the target being another SK or SP.
There can be anywhere between 0 and like 20 of any role in the setup.
You are always informed of roleblocks regardless of your own role.

This seems to imply that SK/SP can be role blocked, and their shot stopped, it just can't be protected against. This all but confirms Ace as 3P.

yamato77

11589 Posts

May 02 2013 15:17 GMT

#4275

Can SP/SK be role blocked, and their KP stopped on this way?

Can't hurt to be sure.

yamato77

11589 Posts

May 02 2013 15:53 GMT

#4280

Then unless there's a second scum vigilante, Ace is SP.

yamato77

11589 Posts

May 02 2013 18:01 GMT

#4297

On May 03 2013 02:02 Sharrant wrote:

Show nested quote +

... Palmar, it kinda sounds like you're admitting to being mafia here. I'm much more okay with your lynch now. Only people ace being confirmed third party to is mafia.

No, he's actually confirmed 3P

Town Vig would have claimed, unless he's really bad, but I doubt there is one anyway.

We have had:
1 Unaware Miller
1 DT
1 Parity Cop

All flip, plus:

1 DT Claim
1 Aware Miller Claim
1 Confirmed Mason

Unless you think one of Palmar/WoS/TRN is lying/actually mafia, then it's almost certain that we don't have a town vigilante.

yamato77

11589 Posts

May 02 2013 18:02 GMT

#4298

Oh, and I'm certain that there is a town JK, and I'm fairly sure I know who he is.

yamato77

11589 Posts

May 02 2013 18:17 GMT

#4303

On May 03 2013 03:16 Stutters695 wrote:

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That's not a certainty that we have a jk. Scum already flipped their jk so if ace is SP he's going to lie, say he's rbed and bank on that until town flips a non-resistant jk while arguing that he's being blocked so it can't be him. He doesn't have another path to his win con that I can see.

I doubt the scum JK was used solely on Ace the whole game.

yamato77

11589 Posts

May 02 2013 18:25 GMT

#4305

On May 03 2013 03:22 Sharrant wrote:
Can't quite on phone.

@yamato
Only scum know for certain if they had two vigis. Thus to be able to confirm him as third party one must be mafia.

Also, everyone consider if they think scum jailer would jail defensively on n1 when there's no kp that they can stop with it, or whether they jail to rb a doctor or cop or jailer.

If there's a scum vig, it's one of Palmar/BC/Hopeless

Scum jailer was either used on Palmar or BC N1. Who do you think the TOWN jailer was more likely to jail?

yamato77

11589 Posts

May 02 2013 19:20 GMT

#4312

Well, it's painfully obvious to me that we should just RNG between Ace/Hopeless/BC and insta-lynch them.

List Randomizer

There were 3 items in your list. Here they are in random order:

Hopeless
Cobbler
Ace
Timestamp: 2013-05-02 19:20:03 UTC

Random.org has spoken. We lynch Hopeless.

yamato77

11589 Posts

May 02 2013 19:34 GMT

#4314

On May 03 2013 04:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
why the fuck is ace in that list?

Should I care with which order I lynch anti-town elements in this game?

yamato77

11589 Posts

May 02 2013 19:42 GMT

#4316

On May 03 2013 04:35 Hopeless1der wrote:

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Yes considering Ace's KP is controlled atm

Only if you assume the JK plays along with our plan, and mafia doesn't already know who he is. If I can figure it out, I'm sure they aren't that stupid.

yamato77

11589 Posts

May 02 2013 19:49 GMT

#4319

I really don't see how it matters at all, the game is basically solved.

yamato77

11589 Posts

May 02 2013 20:12 GMT

#4326

I we're not lynching Ace, then we're lynching Hopeless/BC.

Pick your sides, I don't really give a fuck. I want blood.

yamato77

11589 Posts

May 02 2013 20:15 GMT

#4328

Okay, we get it, you like Ace.

Now pick.

yamato77

11589 Posts

May 02 2013 20:34 GMT

#4334

On May 03 2013 05:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:

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You are advocating me (i know I am town) and Ace who is either 3p or town, and hopeless who given the context of the last few pages could easily be town or mafia.

However Given I know you don't give two shits now about finding scum in any logical manner and have been trying to get Ace lynched first off this list (because he might be 3rd off a ton of wifom bullshit).

You go first. No town member should be advocating a potential 3rd party player when we have mafia still alive. Especially when said potential third party has been pushing mafia lynches a fair bit this game. The only one who would give two shits about mafia dying quickly is rita skeeter as she wins if the game ends on any sides victory.

Plain and simple you are mafia. I cannot believed I have waffled so much about this all game.

Lol, you're bad.

yamato77

11589 Posts

May 02 2013 20:35 GMT

#4336

If you guys still want to lynch me, you're not even reading the thread.

yamato77

11589 Posts

May 02 2013 20:45 GMT

#4341

On May 03 2013 05:43 Sharrant wrote:

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Hey, Yamato, do you remember how I knew you were scum the first game we played together? Can you remember exactly what it was? I'll give you a hint, I didn't notice it before, but you did exactly the same thing in this game. Your play since then has been very different, but this play was virtually identical.

You fail to realize that that post was basically a scum claim from BC.