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##Vote: Ace
Fuck it I'm really getting sick of waiting. And as much as I wanna hammer I have no idea when anyone else will show up to switch votes. Hopefully the night kill will give us some clue as to whom to get rid of tomorrow. My money's still on Hopeless.
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L-1 come on somebody END DAT BISH
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On May 04 2013 00:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
J'accuse!!
Fixed.
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NIGHTPOST IT UP IAMPPPPPP
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Yay I read someone right for once.
Sharrant, can you clarify this for me?
On April 30 2013 06:48 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 06:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think I'ma check Ace tonight instead. What do you think guys? I think that's a terrible idea. I'm 100% sure Ace is town. Check to confirm the other claims.
On May 03 2013 05:02 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 04:42 yamato77 wrote:On May 03 2013 04:35 Hopeless1der wrote:On May 03 2013 04:34 yamato77 wrote:On May 03 2013 04:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
why the fuck is ace in that list? Should I care with which order I lynch anti-town elements in this game? Yes considering Ace's KP is controlled atm Only if you assume the JK plays along with our plan, and mafia doesn't already know who he is. If I can figure it out, I'm sure they aren't that stupid. The only exception to the following is thus: You think Ace is mafia and bussed 2 of his teammates, and possibly a third. No, it's quite demonstrably anti-town to lynch Ace. It's been explained several times. There are three situations where you lynch Ace: One: At least one night before LyLo. Two: If the jailer dies to a night kill. Even if the jailer dies to a night kill, Ace will still be RB'ed and thus cannot kill anyone, and he can be lynched without losing any townies. Three: We have 5 dead mafia and the game has not ended. Why do you people not understand this? Ace is not in any way shape or form confirmed third party. He is the only candidate that could be third party (aside from a survivor) but lynching him is ANTI-TOWN. Lynching him now means we give another night to the mafia members in return for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Unless our jailer pops up and goes "I'm not RB'ing Ace tonight" then there's no reason to lynch him. On top of that, IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE HE'S NOT THIRD PARTY. If there's a scum Vigi still left alive (which is just as likely in my books as Ace being mafia just due to set up analysis) it would explain the exact same scenario we are in. So anyone not looking at that like it's a possibility is either not using their brain, or is mafia trying to push an agenda. Whether or not he's third party, it is not good town play to lynch him. He still may be town, and either way he's one of the stronger analysts in the game. I'd rather have the counsel of a man who knows he is doomed to lose, than potentially kill a townie AND waste time not killing mafia when Ace is already a completely solved situation.TLDR; There's never a situation in which Ace kills a townie unless our jailer dies AND we spend the following day not lynching Ace. Ace is a bad lynch today. I don't want to have to argue this anymore, I'm going to go read stuff, and if anyone tries to dispute this and cannot prove even a single specific scenario where this breaks down, I will just assume you're mafia and go from there because you will be pushing anti-town agendas with the knowledge that it has no benefit to town, and only helps mafia.
I know it's not necessarily alignment-indicative that you basically hard-defended him all day since he's 3p and all and doesn't have teammates, but why were you so goddamned stubborn?
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On May 04 2013 01:20 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 01:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
As expected.
Tomorrow, we lynch the cobbler.
JK, whoever you are, assign a value on everyone based on the likeliness you think of them getting hit, then RNG between it. (for example. 50% player A 25% player B 25% player C, you RNG from 1-4 and on 1-2 you protect player A, 3 player B, 4 player C).
Hopeless, case on TRN please.
Everyone else, no opinions on TRN please. Let Hopeless make up his own mind. Should I be hurt your singling out me?
Your grammar/spelling hurts me, Raven. 
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Wat. Iamp we already got the nightpost.
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On May 04 2013 01:32 Stutters695 wrote:
Never rolled scum period but when I do I can assure you I'll be an easy catch. Every game I drop scenarios about what I would do as scum as part of my questioning/why I find someone scummy. It's probably going to bite me in the ass hard when I roll scum but I'd rather have a readable and predictable town game when the odds are always in favor of rolling town.
lol I asked Dandel about this when inquiring as to what the longest anyone has gone without rolling scum on TL and he mentioned you.
Not including this game, how many games has it been? (Have you ever rolled 3rd party?)
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On May 04 2013 02:05 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 01:42 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 04 2013 01:32 Stutters695 wrote:
Never rolled scum period but when I do I can assure you I'll be an easy catch. Every game I drop scenarios about what I would do as scum as part of my questioning/why I find someone scummy. It's probably going to bite me in the ass hard when I roll scum but I'd rather have a readable and predictable town game when the odds are always in favor of rolling town. lol I asked Dandel about this when inquiring as to what the longest anyone has gone without rolling scum on TL and he mentioned you. Not including this game, how many games has it been? (Have you ever rolled 3rd party?) No 3p and off of memory (plus the database for the really old games) it's something like this: NMMXXIV NMMXXVI NMMXXVII NMMXXVIII Whose Line Mini Yet Another Normal Mini Personality 2 Themed Game Mafia MTG Mini II Mafia LIX I believe that puts me at 10. All VT unless they were themed. I'm so boring lol
ALL VT?
Jesus you win, bro. I've at least had a blue role a couple times I think. Not sure where miller counts...still think it's VT. 
Aaaaaanyway. Why is Hopeless not on your list of scum, BC?
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BC, what do you think of my earlier case on Palmar?
On May 01 2013 03:19 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 00:31 Palmar wrote:
List of probably town:
Bill Murray
getmoript (QT thing)
Vivax
slot machine dude
hopeless
list of maybe town:
Ace
grush
cheesecake
kush
Sylencia
TheRavensName
list of who knows:
WaveofShadow
Tube
Drazak
Clarity_nl
Sharrant
Yamato77
ShiaoPi
list of bloodycobblers:
BloodyCobbler
list of somewhat scummy fuckers (based on absolutely nothing):
DoctorHelvetica
ObviousOne
Oatsmaster
giggles This post is interesting now. Note how more than half the scumteam is contained within. (If you don't believe I'm town or Sharrant is, then ignore the green) Note also instead of calling them 'somewhat scummy,' which isn't even committing to a read, (especially since he says it's based on nothing) he groups them into 'who knows' to avoid even associating the word scumy with them. CONTINUING THE REAADDDD I'll try to consolidate my next post just wanted to get this one out thar
On May 01 2013 03:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 18:24 Palmar wrote:On April 23 2013 17:52 Clarity_nl wrote:
I wouldn't lynch him right now, no. Would want to hear from him first.
Don't have many full fledged opinions yet, but the people I was gonna look into next (that being tonight, have work soon) were gonna be giygas, bc and shiaopi (mainly because I don't remember much of them from reading through the thread) sup scum This one is a point FOR town Palmar becuase I can't see them making the decision to bus Clarity this early when he was actually active, unless they realized his play was so shitty he'd be going down immediately. Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 04:05 Palmar wrote:On April 26 2013 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here's how i see things:
Vivax was shot because he was on the right track and town read for like everyone. This means probably at least one of ShiaoPi / Clarity is mafia. If Vivax was double stacked he was likely even more right in his reads. But i don't think this is the case here. It's clear that whoever jailed Palmar thought he was town. Town jailers do not jail offensively and mafia jailers do not jail defensively on N1. As there is no other flip than Vivax' it's highly likely that Palmar was shot, because i can't see who else scum would have shot over him. I'm not even going to go to the fact that this would also require a doctor to target the same (other than Palmar) target.
So unless someone else claims shot / roleblocked it's very likely that Palmar got shot and is town.
I don't like ShiaoPi lynch because it was brought up by VE who i think is scum. If Vivax was right on both of ShiaoPi/Clarity then it doesn't matter, but if one of them is town it's probably ShiaoPi. As i think Palmar is town, i do not think he is wrong about VE. But if VE is not gonna get lynched today, i'm going to vote for Clarity over ShiaoPi.
Now, you want to bring up an entirely different target in BC. Understandable, as you seem to think he is mafia. But you also bring up reasons why ShiaoPi/Clarity might be town. That is something i do not understand. If you think BC is better lynch than them, fine, push his lynch. But the way to do it is not by discrediting other people's cases unless you actually think they are town, which you don't seem to. Agree with everything, especially that ShiaoPi is probably town and Clarity is probably scum. Here his agreement with Rayn puts VE in the position he is in if scum. The bus is more likely to have begun here, but can't be sure of stuff yet. VE was looking scummy earlier on in the game to be fair to Palmar,but he was not a likely lynch that day. The push onto VE overall though looks really bad since trying to push a 3rd possibly-town wagon when two scum are up for lynch...well...... Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 18:58 Palmar wrote:
Still think VE is the best lynch.
But I do agree with a clarity lynch. I still don't understand how he entered the thread "catching up" and then had a fully fledged case within an hour. There was additionally no interest in pushing that lynch any harder. There is literally not a single "sharrant" in his filter after the case.
It just doesn't feel natural. He didn't ask Sharrant anything to try to determine his alignment, no "hey sharrant, explain this" or "what do you think about this". Just a straight up case with no build-up and no follow-up. Which basically tells me his heart wasn't really in it.
So with that I'm switching my vote to Clarity.
Lessgo.
This looks like the post where scum Palmar realizes his push is a bad idea. Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 05:56 Palmar wrote:
yeah he didn't say anything interesting and wanted me to put into effort of reading someone I didn't want to read at the time so I had no interest in the topic and consequently forgot about it. On the topic of the TRN Mason QT. Says he forgot about it his story is somewhat corroborated by TRN...though I can't understand why you wouldn't interact at all with your masoner unless you worried about them picking up a read on you. The fact that Palmar uses the fact that TRN masoned him as evidence as to his towniness reads to me that he has no idea about TRN's play or the fact that he is new at the game (I picked him as town ages ago, I'm fairly sure others have as well) and so is worried about the potential for TRN outing him as scum when in fact TRN's chances of doing so as being new to Palmar's play are probably low. Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 06:00 Palmar wrote:On April 29 2013 05:56 Sharrant wrote:On April 29 2013 05:55 TheRavensName wrote:On April 29 2013 05:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
TRN can you post the logs? I was told that is against the rules. How many posts did Palmar make? Can you please paraphrase as best you can as to his actual respones, with as little as bias as possible. 3 posts (cba checking) 1 about asking TRN why he chose me and what he hoped to achieve. 2 saying I wanted to lynch VE and hadn't read into WoS 3 the post TRN mentioned about "oats was always going to flip town". SO here he mentions I was the one TRN brought up that he didn't feel like looking into. Ok, I get that, but just the day before he says this: Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 04:06 Palmar wrote:
Also I haven't really read much today because I think it's so blindingly obvious we should lynch VE, but if no one else has brought it up, I have very bad feelings about WaveOfShadow based on what I had read up until like 10 pages ago. Wouldn't this make me a suspect of his and someone he's likely to have read? Especially since I'm pretty sure I claimed miller before TRN's mason time ended and was super high on EVERYONE's suspicion list. Palmar then begins to buddy up to his previous scumread in VE to try and get BC lynched. Presumably this is due to his N1 and N2 checks, which makes sense and is a point for Palmar having told the truth. (The long con is definitely possible, but is that likely to Palmar's scumplay? I don't know him that well.) Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 09:48 Palmar wrote:On April 29 2013 09:36 TheRavensName wrote:On April 29 2013 09:27 Palmar wrote:
Look at this bloodycobbler actively hunting third parties everywhere!
Also BC, did you ever explain why it would be a better idea to vig me than to lynch me? Personally I think that would be a waste of a shot since you have night protection. I did not ask you, I wanted BC's explanation for his statement. It's one of his slips this game. He called out for a player that he knew could be active, had the support of several important townies, to be vigged.I wonder if he was simply afraid that he would never be able to mislynch me? I called Palmar out for this earlier and he never responded; which important townies had Palmar's back at this point? I didn't count many despite his crusade for action against 'the cobbler.' Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 10:34 Palmar wrote:On April 29 2013 10:31 Ace wrote:
no, we aren't lynching syl. There is stupidity going on right now.
CC - I dont know why you checked Shiao Night 1. That is a major stretch that you check him, he gets brought up, temp cleared, and then you check sylencia. thats 2 lurkers who have no impact on the game that you checked. not buying it. especially since you just claimed, without counter claiming Palmar. If you believe Palmar is a Cop there is no point in claiming right now as you'd let BC die with your vote. If you dont believe him, you vote him off. Claiming right now to add another suspect in the pool is nonsense. its not even been an hour since your case on sylencia - you could have pushed it ot let it marinate more. Your urgency shows little thinking here.
Lastly, you also can not confirm your check. Shiao hasn't flipped. We've got 2 Cops, both unconfirmed claiming results on the same day within an hour of each other. Both that also appeared on the infamous Oats wagon analysis.
bullshit. one of you is definitely lying and both of you made a bad play here. lol Ace we ARE lynching sylencia. absolute worst case scenario is CC is scum and we lynch townies for 2 days before lynching or vigging CC in return, leaving us with plenty of townies and like 2 mafia left. something like 11 townies maybe? You're crazy if you don't lynch sylencia. I REALLY didn't like this post at the time. We know there's 3rd party and 3 scum left here so we certainly did not have 'plenty of townies.' Everything he says about being a cop though isn't provable one way or the other as of yet at this point; the rb and his checks check out. I don't know I don't like the idea that he making mislynches feel better than they actually would have been but it's such a scummy thing to post knowing the math that I don't see scum doing it. Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 10:53 Palmar wrote:On April 29 2013 10:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I wouldn't have claimed if Palmar didn't go full retard and give us a red check without any prior checks. The situation could have turned out STUPID bad if BC was town and Palmar was actually insane cop, hedging his bets on being sane. But I like killing people so I get excited. Anyway, it's irrelevant. I had you as town read for most of the game, I've usually thought of you as nully to leaning town, and then you of course went and looked real town with grush after that hammer post. So, I don't think you're scum, which basically means I'm pretty cool with killing sylencia as he looks awful anyway, and shaiopi looks somewhat towny. Well knowing what we know now.... I don't if anything can be said about this since everyone more or less agreed Sylencia didn't look great, but to say Shiao looked TOWNY is a GROSS overstatement. I also remember asking at some point whoever found Shiao towny, WHY did they think so and no one ever answered. Hmm. Alright sadly I don't have much to conclude about this case. Imo the scum points outweigh the town points just based on his filter and he's had a cba attitude for much of the game. We can't even discern his alignment based on his checks either because he didn't follow the plan which looks scummy as well. If he is telling thr truth he must be either paranoid or insane (which would make him exactly the same as CC? Same role AND same alignment? Unlikely imo....) and if he's paranoid he's more or less useless, no? I dunno guys, help me out. I'm leaning scum overall but we have nother night of NKs ahead of us before we must act.
Palmar's responses to this were minimal and antagonistic, just like basically everything he has said to me all game. I would certainly understand his being dismissive of me if he were mafia and trying to discredit what I say.
Artanis your thoughts as well?
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On May 04 2013 04:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I have had Palmar as a scum read for days dude. You don't need to convince me of it.
I'm not trying to convince you, I'm wondering what you think of the case. Not sure if you even bothered to read it because it's not all convincing in there.
The fact that you don't bother to read it and assume that I'm trying to lynch Palmar with you, while not taking the opportunity to be a townie and analyze a case is disconcerting.
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On May 04 2013 05:09 Palmar wrote:
@wos do you want me to explain why that case is wrong?
I kinda meant to ignore you, but I can respond to it if you want me to
You can, anyone can. Cases are meant to be scrutinized/analysed.
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I had a very angry post I was about to submit but I've decided against it. I think I know what to expect in future games so as not to reach this point.
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On May 06 2013 07:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 07:11 yamato77 wrote:
I feel it highly unlikely that scum-WoS (a first time mafia player) would be as active as he has been, nor do I feel it likely that he would have the balls to claim miller as mafia, either. I agreed with you at the time, but there's a few things that don't add up. -There's Rayn mentioning him on D2 as someone to look into the next day. He dies N2. -His filter pushes a scum agenda. Has defended scum, then backtracked when they were looking poor. -A lot of his comments felt off to me when scrolling through his filter. I don't know if it's how WoS always posts, but there's this defensive aura about him. -Dropping out completely activity wise recently. He hasn't even posted the past two days. BM and Getmoript pointed out a few things as well. I think he deserves a closer look and I want that closer look before the day ends.
1) WIFOM-y as hell. I already mentioned that they lynched him to make me look bad; was the whole reasoning for me having to miller claim. If you'd read my filter you'd know that I already explained this.
2) Hard defended who? Clarity? Yes, I admitted to have been wrong about him. Yes, I backtracked, because I wanted to get my thoughts out about why I felt I was wrong. What other mafia have I defended? Hell did I ever defend Ace either? What about me constantly pushing Shiao? This is being really selective.
3) I dunno, not much to say about that.
4) I was angry and needed a break.
Not even going to bother defending myself against geript's posting because once again, as always, it's overreaching.
Go ahead and take as close a look as you need but honestly if you really feel like I'm on the block for today above any of the other suspects then I don't know what to say. I'll be able to get back into it a little more later tonight and tomorrow if there are any other outstanding issues people have with me.
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On May 06 2013 09:41 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 09:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 06 2013 07:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 06 2013 07:11 yamato77 wrote:
I feel it highly unlikely that scum-WoS (a first time mafia player) would be as active as he has been, nor do I feel it likely that he would have the balls to claim miller as mafia, either. I agreed with you at the time, but there's a few things that don't add up. -There's Rayn mentioning him on D2 as someone to look into the next day. He dies N2. -His filter pushes a scum agenda. Has defended scum, then backtracked when they were looking poor. -A lot of his comments felt off to me when scrolling through his filter. I don't know if it's how WoS always posts, but there's this defensive aura about him. -Dropping out completely activity wise recently. He hasn't even posted the past two days. BM and Getmoript pointed out a few things as well. I think he deserves a closer look and I want that closer look before the day ends. 1) WIFOM-y as hell. I already mentioned that they lynched him to make me look bad; was the whole reasoning for me having to miller claim. If you'd read my filter you'd know that I already explained this. 2) Hard defended who? Clarity? Yes, I admitted to have been wrong about him. Yes, I backtracked, because I wanted to get my thoughts out about why I felt I was wrong. What other mafia have I defended? Hell did I ever defend Ace either? What about me constantly pushing Shiao? This is being really selective. 3) I dunno, not much to say about that. 4) I was angry and needed a break. Not even going to bother defending myself against geript's posting because once again, as always, it's overreaching. Go ahead and take as close a look as you need but honestly if you really feel like I'm on the block for today above any of the other suspects then I don't know what to say. I'll be able to get back into it a little more later tonight and tomorrow if there are any other outstanding issues people have with me. 1. Bullshit! You claimed Miller before Rayn died.
Did I? Guess you're right. This game is taking too long.
Oh well reasoning is essentially the same, they tried to frame me by killing Rayn after we had a huge back-and-forth.
On April 29 2013 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
So no one decided to vig I assume. Lol obvious attempt to frame me even though I clearly called Rayn town throughout my arguing with him last night. Alright when I get back later tonight as promised I will be doing everything in my power to prevent a wasted lynch on me. You guys are still welcome to vig me N3 if you so choose.
Giygas scum btw.
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Remember that Palmar defended Shiao as well.
People don't seem to like reading what I write tho.
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Also yeah Hopeless isn't happening now for some reason because Palmar and BC have put each other up again and fucked with all of our perceptions huh?
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On May 06 2013 10:05 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 06 2013 09:41 TheRavensName wrote:On May 06 2013 09:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 06 2013 07:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 06 2013 07:11 yamato77 wrote:
I feel it highly unlikely that scum-WoS (a first time mafia player) would be as active as he has been, nor do I feel it likely that he would have the balls to claim miller as mafia, either. I agreed with you at the time, but there's a few things that don't add up. -There's Rayn mentioning him on D2 as someone to look into the next day. He dies N2. -His filter pushes a scum agenda. Has defended scum, then backtracked when they were looking poor. -A lot of his comments felt off to me when scrolling through his filter. I don't know if it's how WoS always posts, but there's this defensive aura about him. -Dropping out completely activity wise recently. He hasn't even posted the past two days. BM and Getmoript pointed out a few things as well. I think he deserves a closer look and I want that closer look before the day ends. 1) WIFOM-y as hell. I already mentioned that they lynched him to make me look bad; was the whole reasoning for me having to miller claim. If you'd read my filter you'd know that I already explained this. 2) Hard defended who? Clarity? Yes, I admitted to have been wrong about him. Yes, I backtracked, because I wanted to get my thoughts out about why I felt I was wrong. What other mafia have I defended? Hell did I ever defend Ace either? What about me constantly pushing Shiao? This is being really selective. 3) I dunno, not much to say about that. 4) I was angry and needed a break. Not even going to bother defending myself against geript's posting because once again, as always, it's overreaching. Go ahead and take as close a look as you need but honestly if you really feel like I'm on the block for today above any of the other suspects then I don't know what to say. I'll be able to get back into it a little more later tonight and tomorrow if there are any other outstanding issues people have with me. 1. Bullshit! You claimed Miller before Rayn died. Did I? Guess you're right. This game is taking too long. Oh well reasoning is essentially the same, they tried to frame me by killing Rayn after we had a huge back-and-forth. On April 29 2013 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
So no one decided to vig I assume. Lol obvious attempt to frame me even though I clearly called Rayn town throughout my arguing with him last night. Alright when I get back later tonight as promised I will be doing everything in my power to prevent a wasted lynch on me. You guys are still welcome to vig me N3 if you so choose.
Giygas scum btw. So why did you claim then?
In my filter multiple times if you'd read. I know you think you're being clever and you've caught me in something, but you're not.
On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch.Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple.
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Honestly I think right now I'm fine to lynch either Palmar or BC, and if one flips town we lynch the other one. I'm sick of trying to decipher what's going on between them and yamato's case of the scum rbing one and the town JK rbing the other makes sense.
Who's it going to be?
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On May 06 2013 10:36 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 06 2013 10:05 TheRavensName wrote:On May 06 2013 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 06 2013 09:41 TheRavensName wrote:On May 06 2013 09:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 06 2013 07:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 06 2013 07:11 yamato77 wrote:
I feel it highly unlikely that scum-WoS (a first time mafia player) would be as active as he has been, nor do I feel it likely that he would have the balls to claim miller as mafia, either. I agreed with you at the time, but there's a few things that don't add up. -There's Rayn mentioning him on D2 as someone to look into the next day. He dies N2. -His filter pushes a scum agenda. Has defended scum, then backtracked when they were looking poor. -A lot of his comments felt off to me when scrolling through his filter. I don't know if it's how WoS always posts, but there's this defensive aura about him. -Dropping out completely activity wise recently. He hasn't even posted the past two days. BM and Getmoript pointed out a few things as well. I think he deserves a closer look and I want that closer look before the day ends. 1) WIFOM-y as hell. I already mentioned that they lynched him to make me look bad; was the whole reasoning for me having to miller claim. If you'd read my filter you'd know that I already explained this. 2) Hard defended who? Clarity? Yes, I admitted to have been wrong about him. Yes, I backtracked, because I wanted to get my thoughts out about why I felt I was wrong. What other mafia have I defended? Hell did I ever defend Ace either? What about me constantly pushing Shiao? This is being really selective. 3) I dunno, not much to say about that. 4) I was angry and needed a break. Not even going to bother defending myself against geript's posting because once again, as always, it's overreaching. Go ahead and take as close a look as you need but honestly if you really feel like I'm on the block for today above any of the other suspects then I don't know what to say. I'll be able to get back into it a little more later tonight and tomorrow if there are any other outstanding issues people have with me. 1. Bullshit! You claimed Miller before Rayn died. Did I? Guess you're right. This game is taking too long. Oh well reasoning is essentially the same, they tried to frame me by killing Rayn after we had a huge back-and-forth. On April 29 2013 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
So no one decided to vig I assume. Lol obvious attempt to frame me even though I clearly called Rayn town throughout my arguing with him last night. Alright when I get back later tonight as promised I will be doing everything in my power to prevent a wasted lynch on me. You guys are still welcome to vig me N3 if you so choose.
Giygas scum btw. So why did you claim then? In my filter multiple times if you'd read. I know you think you're being clever and you've caught me in something, but you're not. On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch.Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple. if that was the reason, why didn't you say so? Now see you say that I should feel clever for this, but you have at least 2 full filter pages that are just calling everything a scum slip.
Wat?
Show me.
lol I don't even know why we are having this discussion it is so irrelevant to topics at hand.
TRN who do you want lynched today and why?
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