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On April 28 2013 12:56 ObviousOne wrote: THIS GAME IS HARD TO PLAY WHEN PROLEAGUE IS STREAMING ARGH SO MUCH DELAY THIS WILL TAKE INORDINATELY LONG TO PUT TOGETHER WoS said he tried to breadcrumb miller without claiming OP says role numbers are unknown TRN asked why there was no counter-claim Ace says look at WoS filter so we look (not quoting with timestamps page loads are taking FOR FUCKING EVER): - SENSITIVITY TO MILLER ROLE BM did not claim, but WoS was willing to take it as a claim because he is aware that there can be more than one. - FIRST LINE OF SECOND QUOTE Why is miller totes important? It's not. It shouldn't be IMO. So this stands out. Reads as soft claim. And how this makes WoS a miller and how it's not possible for him to be mafia soft-claiming miller in case he needs to do so later? | ||
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On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. | ||
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On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote: I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple. Again, i can't see where you assume you are gonna get DT checked when people wanted you shot. | ||
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On April 28 2013 13:33 Ace wrote: to be extra thorough - while it is still possible WoS is scum that miller claim doesn't warrant a vigi shot. It does nothing to free up extra information, as if WoS flips Miller it is a wasted shot. For now you should give him the benefit of the doubt. Look at other people on the Oats +Shiapi wagon clash cases. yamato and VE are both there. So is Palmar, hopeless1nder, and a few others. WoS is there too but as said I think he gets a temporary pass. Limit that pool via what you know by reading objectively first, then read them from both scum and town p.o.v. Do it for all of them! WoS doesn't come close to being the top vigi target when you do this. CheeseCake, Palmar, Sharrant (him not convinced yet though): On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Shoot waveofshadow 100% On April 28 2013 05:57 Sharrant wrote: Convince me on this one, I have some suspicions, let's figure out if they're the same. + I have said this on N1 and my read has never dropped: On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: ... WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today ShiaoPi - What Vivax said + TRN So that makes CC/Palmar/Me/TRN/somewhat Sharrant. I do not think any of those people are mafia. WoS claimed right after CC-Palmar-Sharrant posted. Overly defensive in the first place, now he says he wanted to avoid a DT check and mislynch on him. Bullshit i say, noone even mentions him being a good check. | ||
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There is no town motivation to insta-claim when people want you shot. A townie would think "crap, i have been so fucking wrong on D1 and D2. I have to relook everything and make my best to come up with the best reads possible. Then, if people do not believe me, i claim miller and have people shoot me." That's what a townie would do. However, if WoS is mafia, there are two possibilities. People take him at face value (look at what you are doing right here) and he does not get shot. He can't be copped any more. Win situation. If people do not agree on shooting him, but mafia has a reason to believe he will be shot, what then. THROW A FUCKING JAILER ON HIM! That's gonna be a fucking WIFOM-fest @ D3, might even lead to a vigilante claiming if they shot him. The only correct play is that all people agree on vigi shooting WoS, if he dies and flips town, he screwed up royally. But he is no longer a distraction. If he flips mafia, good. If he does not get shot, we lynch him on D3 as mafia protected him and he is mafia. | ||
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Now convince the other people you are town. Your first reads post was kinda bad. Over half of the post said what you were supposed to do before N2, it's fucking irrelevant that you use big paragraphs now to tell us why Clarity is mafia, because he flipped mafia already. | ||
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On April 27 2013 06:47 yamato77 wrote: Close enough: Town read on me. Before I said I would respond. Reasonable, somewhat. This chain of quotes from you is suspicious as fuck. You want to be suspicious of me before I even fucking respond. Fuck you, you're mafia. If you call this a case i'm going to laugh at you. You are calling VE mafia because you didn't answer to BC and he put pressure on you and wanted you to answer. VE never even voted for you on D2. Way to go bro. | ||
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On April 28 2013 14:32 WaveofShadow wrote: Ohai Geript. Here's an opportunity you were asking for earlier in the game. Do you think I'm scum based on occurrences earlier in the thread? Also anything updated on Shiao or Giygas? If you think ShiaoPi is scum i want to ask you the question i have asked from many other people. Why do you think scum did sacrifice their vigilante over Shiao, and why didn't they push a conter-case on a townie at any point of D2? | ||
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On April 28 2013 14:35 getmoript wrote: Nah, Rayn was right about me misreading Giygas post. I still want Giygas to die for being a blender. I still want Shiao dead because Vivax case was good and Vivax died and people have fucking forgotten about that shit. geript, you too. Why do you think scum did sacrifice their vigilante over Shiao, and why didn't they push a conter-case on a townie at any point of D2? | ||
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On April 28 2013 14:38 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not sure Shiao is scum. If he isn't he's terrible town. I'm just trying to find out what other people think of him now and whether or not Clarity's flip precludes Shiao of being scum. I'm not sure it does, but it does make me doubt my read. How exactly did scum sacrifice their vig over Shiao by the way? There are so many strong players in this game who are likely town I don't think scum had any real control over the lynch. Where are tube's/Clarity's influence over the lynch D1? Because Clarity was +1 KP. Scum know who is scum, and scum have probably done scummy stuff this game. Anyone who comes even close to pushing a lynch on D2 was VE, and he can't possibly push a lynch on himself. Even if scum are fairly inactive, it would be beneficial to make a rock-solid case on another scum to not waste a KP-role. Then Clarity comes in, votes for that person, and it's a win-win situation. Now the only counter-case was ShiaoPi. I still don't think there were only scum wagons on D2, and that's also why i think VE is scum. | ||
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On April 28 2013 14:41 getmoript wrote: Why sacrifice a player who isn't going to get modkilled for a player who is? Because I don't think there are any active scum. There is no way you can know if clarity is gonna come back or not, unless he has said so in scum chat and you magically know this somehow. What is this, a scumslip? | ||
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On April 28 2013 14:54 WaveofShadow wrote: You don't find it likely that inactive scum couldn't start a third wagon when there are already 2 strong ones going without it looking really scummy? By the by, you've got a lot of scum-POV goin' on in that thar brain a'yers, Rayn. You scum? The thing is i do not think all scum are inactive. You are making an assumption that holds no water, at least yet. Of course it's possible that all the scum are inactive and couldn't do shit about what happened on D2, but why didn't they then try harder to get ShiaoPi lynched? I find the easiest explanation to be that VE is mafia. Maybe he shouldn't get vigged, but at least copped. What do you think about what i just said about geript? | ||
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On April 28 2013 14:58 getmoript wrote: Let me ask you this. When did the clarity lynch target pop back up again? April 25 2013 11:36. D2 started April 25 2013 04:12, so 7 hours after D2 start. At that time there are votes on VE, and VE's case on ShiaoPi. Why would you assume Clarity is gonna get modkilled, when his last posts are these: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2013 07:54 Clarity_nl wrote: Last time I'm going to address this but if you guys wanna circlejerk over something completely stupid and wrong after that then go ahead. BM's post adresses both of my posts. My original entry and my case post an hour later. He says "lol he read entire thread in 1 hour yeah right?" and comments that the case is bad I reply this (gonna paraphrase to get it in your thick skulls) 1) This is a reply to the first part, about my entry post. a) "Yeah okay I might have started reading and then", this is me saying I was already in the process of catching up b) Yes I saw Palmar say it was close to hammer so figured I'd post that I'm here and catching up 2) This is a reply to the second part, about the case. Then people start spewing shit about how it "took me an hour from catching up to posting a case and that's impossible" even though I thought I fucking addressed that in the above post. So I clarify saying I had been reading two hours prior to my entry post. The only time I show lack of conviction in my case is after wave comments on it properly, not before. Everyone satisfied? As for the people I said I'd check: pretty confident BC is town, giygas is who the fuck knows and I don't understand why the fuck shiao hammered after showing no interest in oats whatsoever. I'm going to bed, tomorrow I'm going to find scum and ignore everyone because this is just pissing me off. On April 24 2013 08:03 Clarity_nl wrote: cause I had already read over oats and yamato Those three names were just cause looking at the playerlist I couldn't recall anything about them, reads etc. BC had a ton of stupid miller discussion crap but today he's as green as can be Bed now. That's one day after Clarity's last post when Sharrant made the case. Now, why do you assume Clarity, at this point, is going to get modkilled? If ShiaoPi is mafia, why would mafia not make a case on someone else, or if we assume VE is town, why not bandwagon on that lynch (which had pretty bad reasons at that time). What i'm saying is: You can't fucking know if Clarity is going to get modkilled or not, unless he has said so in scum QT and you know it! | ||
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On April 28 2013 15:01 getmoript wrote: Explain why you think that. Who are the active scum who are throwing shit around shitting up the thread? VE and maybe you. If not VE then yamato. | ||
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