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On May 03 2013 03:16 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 03:02 yamato77 wrote:
Oh, and I'm certain that there is a town JK, and I'm fairly sure I know who he is. That's not a certainty that we have a jk. Scum already flipped their jk so if ace is SP he's going to lie, say he's rbed and bank on that until town flips a non-resistant jk while arguing that he's being blocked so it can't be him. He doesn't have another path to his win con that I can see.
Yeah I was about to say this makes no sense at all since SP/SK are compulsive and we've had no one die every time Ace was RBed. I think when Ace was RBed the first couple times he did his duty and claimed it to the thread so as not to seem suspicious, but once we started to catch on to him he was more and more reluctant to do so. Just an extra little point against him.
Anyway....Hopeless. Would still be nice to hear from some more people on the matter....I'm really not liking how quiet everyone seems to be regarding this lynch.
Oh and for those waiting for Palmar's promised case....what happened last time Palmar promised something, huh?
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Sharrant you're wrong, there are no scum vigis left; if there were they wasted their shots on Ace or something. There is no way in hell scum would be sitting on vigi shots this late in the game. Ace is 3p, deal with it. I agree we don't lynch him yet.
Vote Hopeless and let's end this day because there doesn't seem to be anything left to say. Palmar is useless and this:
Whether or not he's third party, it is not good town play to lynch him. He still may be town, and either way he's one of the stronger analysts in the game. I'd rather have the counsel of a man who knows he is doomed to lose, than potentially kill a townie AND waste time not killing mafia when Ace is already a completely solved situation.
is dumb. Have you not noticed Ace's considerable lack of contribution since being RBed every night? He has no desire to help town anymore because he knows he's caught. Your constant hard defenses of him in the face of overwhelming evidence troubles me, Sharrant. It seems like you've lost your way somewhere in this game.
##Vote: Hopeless1der
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On May 03 2013 05:35 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 05:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Sharrant you're wrong, there are no scum vigis left; if there were they wasted their shots on Ace or something. There is no way in hell scum would be sitting on vigi shots this late in the game. Ace is 3p, deal with it. I agree we don't lynch him yet. Vote Hopeless and let's end this day because there doesn't seem to be anything left to say. Palmar is useless and this: Whether or not he's third party, it is not good town play to lynch him. He still may be town, and either way he's one of the stronger analysts in the game. I'd rather have the counsel of a man who knows he is doomed to lose, than potentially kill a townie AND waste time not killing mafia when Ace is already a completely solved situation. is dumb. Have you not noticed Ace's considerable lack of contribution since being RBed every night? He has no desire to help town anymore because he knows he's caught. Your constant hard defenses of him in the face of overwhelming evidence troubles me, Sharrant. It seems like you've lost your way somewhere in this game. ##Vote: Hopeless1der How are you failing at reading so hard? If a scum vigi shot on night 2 it would be exactly the same as if a serial poisoner acted on night one. Please keep up. Lynching him hurts town right now. I hate playing follow the cop, it's just boring. I'm waffling on lynching Hopeless right now, going to try and figure out if I want to lynch Yamato more or less.
Scum vigi had absolutely no reason to shoot Grush and if you're assuming it was a scum vigi shot that means you're assuming there is no KP 3rd party (meaning likely survivor). Possible but unlikely to me.
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On May 03 2013 05:43 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 05:34 yamato77 wrote:On May 03 2013 05:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 03 2013 04:20 yamato77 wrote:
Well, it's painfully obvious to me that we should just RNG between Ace/Hopeless/BC and insta-lynch them.
List Randomizer
There were 3 items in your list. Here they are in random order:
Hopeless
Cobbler
Ace
Timestamp: 2013-05-02 19:20:03 UTC
Random.org has spoken. We lynch Hopeless.You are advocating me (i know I am town) and Ace who is either 3p or town, and hopeless who given the context of the last few pages could easily be town or mafia. However Given I know you don't give two shits now about finding scum in any logical manner and have been trying to get Ace lynched first off this list (because he might be 3rd off a ton of wifom bullshit). You go first. No town member should be advocating a potential 3rd party player when we have mafia still alive. Especially when said potential third party has been pushing mafia lynches a fair bit this game. The only one who would give two shits about mafia dying quickly is rita skeeter as she wins if the game ends on any sides victory. Plain and simple you are mafia. I cannot believed I have waffled so much about this all game. Lol, you're bad. Hey, Yamato, do you remember how I knew you were scum the first game we played together? Can you remember exactly what it was? I'll give you a hint, I didn't notice it before, but you did exactly the same thing in this game. Your play since then has been very different, but this play was virtually identical.
This interests me.
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How so yamato?
Also wtf Sharrant you accuse me of not reading then you say this?
On May 03 2013 05:35 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 05:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Sharrant you're wrong, there are no scum vigis left; if there were they wasted their shots on Ace or something. There is no way in hell scum would be sitting on vigi shots this late in the game. Ace is 3p, deal with it. I agree we don't lynch him yet. Vote Hopeless and let's end this day because there doesn't seem to be anything left to say. Palmar is useless and this: Whether or not he's third party, it is not good town play to lynch him. He still may be town, and either way he's one of the stronger analysts in the game. I'd rather have the counsel of a man who knows he is doomed to lose, than potentially kill a townie AND waste time not killing mafia when Ace is already a completely solved situation. is dumb. Have you not noticed Ace's considerable lack of contribution since being RBed every night? He has no desire to help town anymore because he knows he's caught. Your constant hard defenses of him in the face of overwhelming evidence troubles me, Sharrant. It seems like you've lost your way somewhere in this game. ##Vote: Hopeless1der How are you failing at reading so hard? If a scum vigi shot on night 2 it would be exactly the same as if a serial poisoner acted on night one. Please keep up. Lynching him hurts town right now.I hate playing follow the cop, it's just boring. I'm waffling on lynching Hopeless right now, going to try and figure out if I want to lynch Yamato more or less.
On May 03 2013 05:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Sharrant you're wrong, there are no scum vigis left; if there were they wasted their shots on Ace or something. There is no way in hell scum would be sitting on vigi shots this late in the game. Ace is 3p, deal with it. I agree we don't lynch him yet.Vote Hopeless and let's end this day because there doesn't seem to be anything left to say. Palmar is useless and this: Show nested quote +Whether or not he's third party, it is not good town play to lynch him. He still may be town, and either way he's one of the stronger analysts in the game. I'd rather have the counsel of a man who knows he is doomed to lose, than potentially kill a townie AND waste time not killing mafia when Ace is already a completely solved situation. is dumb. Have you not noticed Ace's considerable lack of contribution since being RBed every night? He has no desire to help town anymore because he knows he's caught. Your constant hard defenses of him in the face of overwhelming evidence troubles me, Sharrant. It seems like you've lost your way somewhere in this game. ##Vote: Hopeless1der
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On May 01 2013 10:42 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 10:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 01 2013 10:16 Palmar wrote:
If someone less lazy that me cares, then I would suggest looking at the day 2 wagons and finding people who were apathetic or fake enthusiastic about which wagon it was that won the race. Say I were to look into it; what would this prove exactly? can you honestly not figure that out?
I just remembered this and though I'd post it. What do people think of Palmar's: "This is where you should go scumhunt but I won't explain how or why. Go, minions, do my work for me."
Also I need to think on the current lynch wagons right now. What are the consequences of us being wrong about either of them, ie who would be the next logical choice if we were wrong based solely on the game until this point?
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On May 03 2013 05:52 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 05:49 WaveofShadow wrote:How so yamato? Also wtf Sharrant you accuse me of not reading then you say this? On May 03 2013 05:35 Sharrant wrote:On May 03 2013 05:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Sharrant you're wrong, there are no scum vigis left; if there were they wasted their shots on Ace or something. There is no way in hell scum would be sitting on vigi shots this late in the game. Ace is 3p, deal with it. I agree we don't lynch him yet. Vote Hopeless and let's end this day because there doesn't seem to be anything left to say. Palmar is useless and this: Whether or not he's third party, it is not good town play to lynch him. He still may be town, and either way he's one of the stronger analysts in the game. I'd rather have the counsel of a man who knows he is doomed to lose, than potentially kill a townie AND waste time not killing mafia when Ace is already a completely solved situation. is dumb. Have you not noticed Ace's considerable lack of contribution since being RBed every night? He has no desire to help town anymore because he knows he's caught. Your constant hard defenses of him in the face of overwhelming evidence troubles me, Sharrant. It seems like you've lost your way somewhere in this game. ##Vote: Hopeless1der How are you failing at reading so hard? If a scum vigi shot on night 2 it would be exactly the same as if a serial poisoner acted on night one. Please keep up. Lynching him hurts town right now.I hate playing follow the cop, it's just boring. I'm waffling on lynching Hopeless right now, going to try and figure out if I want to lynch Yamato more or less. On May 03 2013 05:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Sharrant you're wrong, there are no scum vigis left; if there were they wasted their shots on Ace or something. There is no way in hell scum would be sitting on vigi shots this late in the game. Ace is 3p, deal with it. I agree we don't lynch him yet.Vote Hopeless and let's end this day because there doesn't seem to be anything left to say. Palmar is useless and this: Whether or not he's third party, it is not good town play to lynch him. He still may be town, and either way he's one of the stronger analysts in the game. I'd rather have the counsel of a man who knows he is doomed to lose, than potentially kill a townie AND waste time not killing mafia when Ace is already a completely solved situation. is dumb. Have you not noticed Ace's considerable lack of contribution since being RBed every night? He has no desire to help town anymore because he knows he's caught. Your constant hard defenses of him in the face of overwhelming evidence troubles me, Sharrant. It seems like you've lost your way somewhere in this game. ##Vote: Hopeless1der Because I clearly explained where the vigi (if the scum have another vigi) had fired, and you were saying that the scum wouldn't have withheld their shot. It made no sense in the context of the conversation. It's completely out of place. I said it's possible scum could have fired on n2 if they had a second vigi, killing grush, and it would appear just the same as if a third party had done it. You responded with "Sharrant you're wrong, there are no scum vigis left; if there were they wasted their shots on Ace or something. There is no way in hell scum would be sitting on vigi shots this late in the game. Ace is 3p, deal with it. I agree we don't lynch him yet."
You're right, I didn't read that properly. Then you tell me 'LYNCHING ACE HURTS TOWN' when I already told you I agree with you.
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Grush was not towny as fuck, he STARSENSES then fucks off every game. Yes he's town but his play is mostly anti-towny and is basically a gift for mafia. Look at what happened in LX.
No reason to kill a useless town player when there are bigger fish to fry.
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On May 03 2013 06:21 Palmar wrote:
also, for anyone thinking BM is scum I have a pretty damn strong town read on him. I had to filter him and read back on past games in PYP mafia, and I ended up making a short case on him day since he was mafia.
Then when this game started I noticed a completely different BM playing, so I'm almost certain he is not scum.
Totally useful, thanks Palmar.
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On May 03 2013 06:24 yamato77 wrote:
VOTE TO LYNCH BLOODYCOBBLER
Narp.
I don't think I will.
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I've answered this before, but as Sharrant seems to advocate, 'patience and repetition.'
I find Hopeless scummier and want him dead today. I am not as sure of BC being a good lynch as I am of Hopeless.
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On May 03 2013 06:30 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 06:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
I've answered this before, but as Sharrant seems to advocate, 'patience and repetition.'
I find Hopeless scummier and want him dead today. I am not as sure of BC being a good lynch as I am of Hopeless. well then you're bad at this game. grats. P.S. I was the only person to believe your miller claim because I actually apply critical thinking to the context of things. The fact that you still think I'm scum is astounding.
Your words, they are like daggers in my heart.
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Hopeless you want Palmar lynched today? How exactly do you plan on making that happen?
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On May 03 2013 06:42 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 03 2013 06:21 Palmar wrote:
also, for anyone thinking BM is scum I have a pretty damn strong town read on him. I had to filter him and read back on past games in PYP mafia, and I ended up making a short case on him day since he was mafia.
Then when this game started I noticed a completely different BM playing, so I'm almost certain he is not scum. Totally useful, thanks Palmar. Do you sincerely think this information is not useful?
Don't be facetious; you know exactly what I meant. That information is completely irrelevant at a point in time where we're trying to figure out who to lynch for the dayn and BM hasn't been around in 60 hours. Probably gonna get modkilled too.
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This game is starting to piss me off. My vote stands; you lurky fucks can figure things out for a change if you want somebody lynched.
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My point is NOBODY SUGGESTED BM WAS SCUM AT THIS POINT.
We clearly have 3-4 people lined up to lynch; where does BM factor in to those? Acting smug isn't going to help you, it only makes you look like a jerk
Maybe I'll be back later if somebody flips.
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I don't think Artanis is mafia, though what happened to the big push on BC?
As for whether to lynch Ace or no, each side makes halfway decent points.
I don't necessarily agree with 'freeing up our JK' since out of like 10-11 townies you have to choose the right one? We're going to lose someone tonight either way so I'm not sure what the strength of that point is. I also disagree with Sharant's 'second vigi' theory which I've already explained but I'm still not voting Ace.
This day is going absolutely nowhere and the longer it takes the more I'm likely to do something fucking stupid and change my vote to someting I don't truly want just for a flip. Ugh.
Also Palmar, regarding the last page or so. I'm not an idiot; you're being deliberately lazy and unhelpful by not assisting us with our current dilemmas. I'm not saying your read isn't useful for when you flip but there is a time and place, and rather than help us decide our lynch for the day, you post a read on BM that no one needs right now. Why not post a read like that at night if you're so afraid you're going to die? Don't you dare try to bully me or others into agreeing with you.
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On May 03 2013 23:23 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 23:20 TheRavensName wrote:
Also, you really think we have a jailer, a medic, 2 masons , and 3 cops? Thats crazy. No, our one protection role is wasted chillling on ace which means Mafia knows that they can kill whoever they want. Quite frankly, no, I'm not convinced WE have 2 masons. I'm convinced there ARE 2 masons. Nor am I convinced we have 3 cops, but that's discussion for tomorrow.
Wait a minute. So according to this you think there's still a scum mason and vigi, and Palmar is lying therefore he must be one of those or 3p? AND you think Hopeless is mafia?
Where does Ace fit into this? Your final 3 must be hopeless/palmar/ace then? I don't think this is discussion for tomorrow because clearly today isn't decided yet.
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On May 03 2013 23:37 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 23:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 03 2013 23:23 Sharrant wrote:On May 03 2013 23:20 TheRavensName wrote:
Also, you really think we have a jailer, a medic, 2 masons , and 3 cops? Thats crazy. No, our one protection role is wasted chillling on ace which means Mafia knows that they can kill whoever they want. Quite frankly, no, I'm not convinced WE have 2 masons. I'm convinced there ARE 2 masons. Nor am I convinced we have 3 cops, but that's discussion for tomorrow. Wait a minute. So according to this you think there's still a scum mason and vigi, and Palmar is lying therefore he must be one of those or 3p? AND you think Hopeless is mafia? Where does Ace fit into this? Your final 3 must be hopeless/palmar/ace then? I don't think this is discussion for tomorrow because clearly today isn't decided yet. I don't understand your line of thought. Because I am not convinced of something, I must assume everything is false? No, I'm working through the most likely outcomes. Yes, Palmar is a discussion for another day and I will not speak more of it. I've never disagreed with Ace being third party, I've said often that I think it's the most likely, but is otherwise solvable without his death. To consider it confirmed, you are either making a stupid assumption, or you have information that only the mafia has. I am not convinced of TRN's alignment, he could be town or scum mason. It is possible that scum have a vigi. It is possible Palmar is lying, a paranoid cop being one of the safest claims possible. I do not have a final 3. There are a few people who have done a decent job of making themselves look townie, but beyond them everyone is suspect. That's what feels so frustrating at this point. Artanis could be defending either BC or Hopeless with his actions, but I'd rather lynch Hopeless today because of BC's connection to Palmar, and I want more time before I tackle that mess.
It's also 'possible' that there are 2 mafia left and 3 3rd party roles, but at what point do you actually make a point in shifting your views to what is 'most likely' rather than considering every option all of the time to no end?
Completely off-topic thought: GiygaS where the fuck are you? I had actually begun to seriously consider you town but now I see you were just responding to the pressure I had put on you at the time and you've fucked off again.
You scum?
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We could end this right now if the people voting for outliers just made up their minds; clearly yamato is not going down today, and I doubt BC is either.
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