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On May 09 2013 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Personally I kind of want to lynch geript for no other reason than he has been a non-factor all game, and that is not how Geript plays, town OR scum. In The Game (scum) he was extremely active with the help of his scumteam: making plays, editing and checking his stuff. Him being afraid to post as scum with an inactive/bad scumteam would fit, though I would argue that in that case you/BC would have to be town for that to be true (unless you were seriously lonewolfing it). How much credence do people put into 'mod-confirmed town?'
A town Geript that isn't helping is scarcely a Geript at all.
Could just be a demotivated geript that was looking forward to being shadowed by marv only to get bullshit his way. It's worth looking into his filter though.
On May 09 2013 04:08 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 04:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 04:05 Palmar wrote:On May 09 2013 04:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 04:02 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 09 2013 04:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 03:58 WaveofShadow wrote:Oh wow I missed the flip, derp. Ok well yeah, that was completely obvious, if not made more so by Artanis: On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Process of elimination real easy for mafia who didn't realize it much earlier. BM probably next mafia target. Anyway, Artanis I believe you promised some analysis. Palmar take your time. There's a lot that has gone into what I've written both in the past and now and I can see no reason why people (other than you two as well) should just ignore it as it will at least generate good discussion. I'm working on it on my own way. Have you missed me inquiring onto Palmar? Nope. Do you agree that either BC or Palmar have to die today? I'm not going to expand on this until Palmar answers me whether he still suspects BC. I don't want to influence his answer. You cannot influence my answer so don't worry about it. But it's gonna be a while as I'm going to read the entire filter of a few people, including BC If you're scum, showing my hand could lead to you giving the desired answer. Therefore I'd rather not comment on it at this point. That's entirely up to you, I just don't want the progress of discussion to be hindered waiting on what I have to say. Even if you think I'm scum, does it look like I've been saying things and giving opinions to please people this game?
You haven't been in serious risk of lynching yet. You probably will be today. The past is no guarantee of the future.
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On May 09 2013 04:14 Palmar wrote:re: you versus yamato The problem I had with yamato's read was that it was based on absolutely nothing, whereas your case is based on multiple speculations that are often lacking or inconclusive. I think I summarized it well with this question: Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 02:08 Palmar wrote:On May 01 2013 14:58 yamato77 wrote:
So back to Palmar/BC; I find it more likely that Palmar is town than BC. Palmar, while relatively inactive, has attempted at times to push his own agenda in lynching VE, good or bad. He's also had a believable narrative in checking/claiming a red check on BC. Is he capable of this sort of play as mafia? It's possible, but I feel it likely that Palmar is actually telling the truth that he simply cba to do anything. It's an illness that often strikes Palmar.
So given that you actually understand this narrative, what has changed your mind must be the fact that I did not send in a check last night. Now, explain how that, specifically, makes me mafia. If you cannot, you're full of shit. to which he responded: Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 03:05 yamato77 wrote:
I highly doubt that you're town. Just because you're not objectively scummy doesn't mean you aren't mafia. And that just set me off. Also, yamato was doing a better job of controlling the thread than you.
I can't tell if you're playing dumb or if you still don't know.
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On May 09 2013 04:17 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 04:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Personally I kind of want to lynch geript for no other reason than he has been a non-factor all game, and that is not how Geript plays, town OR scum. In The Game (scum) he was extremely active with the help of his scumteam: making plays, editing and checking his stuff. Him being afraid to post as scum with an inactive/bad scumteam would fit, though I would argue that in that case you/BC would have to be town for that to be true (unless you were seriously lonewolfing it). How much credence do people put into 'mod-confirmed town?'
A town Geript that isn't helping is scarcely a Geript at all. Could just be a demotivated geript that was looking forward to being shadowed by marv only to get bullshit his way. It's worth looking into his filter though. On May 09 2013 04:08 Palmar wrote:On May 09 2013 04:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 04:05 Palmar wrote:On May 09 2013 04:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 04:02 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 09 2013 04:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 03:58 WaveofShadow wrote:Oh wow I missed the flip, derp. Ok well yeah, that was completely obvious, if not made more so by Artanis: On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Process of elimination real easy for mafia who didn't realize it much earlier. BM probably next mafia target. Anyway, Artanis I believe you promised some analysis. Palmar take your time. There's a lot that has gone into what I've written both in the past and now and I can see no reason why people (other than you two as well) should just ignore it as it will at least generate good discussion. I'm working on it on my own way. Have you missed me inquiring onto Palmar? Nope. Do you agree that either BC or Palmar have to die today? I'm not going to expand on this until Palmar answers me whether he still suspects BC. I don't want to influence his answer. You cannot influence my answer so don't worry about it. But it's gonna be a while as I'm going to read the entire filter of a few people, including BC If you're scum, showing my hand could lead to you giving the desired answer. Therefore I'd rather not comment on it at this point. That's entirely up to you, I just don't want the progress of discussion to be hindered waiting on what I have to say. Even if you think I'm scum, does it look like I've been saying things and giving opinions to please people this game? You haven't been in serious risk of lynching yet. You probably will be today. The past is no guarantee of the future. I disagree with this and as such will reserve judgment for now. As per you not wanting to answer my question, note that in any game that Palmar/Ace/BC etc play in, it has become part of their metas (misuse of the word here but fk it baylife) to die early since as idenitifed strong players, the only reasons mafia would not have shot them is because they ARE mafia. For Ace it's likely he was shot by mafia but BC/Palmar are very curious this game. If Plmar has been telling the truth this whole game then leaving him up as juicy lynchbait because of his play was probably the correct play for mafia, especially since he has not shown himself to be much of a threat this game. BC is another story though, I would argue his play has been stronger, and he has taken credit for a few scum kills already. Again just spouting stuff while waiting so as not to stagnate discussion.
I'm not saying it's the most likely conclusion. I haven't really paid attention to his filter at all as I've treated him as confirmed town. I'm just saying it's plausible, but his filter should be the determining thing.
As for the Palmar/BC thing, other than N2 I see no time where scum would have the chance to shoot them. N1 they might've given they both got jailed, N3/N4 they had detectives to take care of (Palmar's claim was the least believed so the others needed to be taken care of first) and by N5 it looked extremely likely one of them would get lynched so shooting them would be silly. If none of Palmar/BC are scum, then N2 and in specific Rayn's filter should give us direction.
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On May 09 2013 04:22 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 04:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 04:14 Palmar wrote:re: you versus yamato The problem I had with yamato's read was that it was based on absolutely nothing, whereas your case is based on multiple speculations that are often lacking or inconclusive. I think I summarized it well with this question: On May 07 2013 02:08 Palmar wrote:On May 01 2013 14:58 yamato77 wrote:
So back to Palmar/BC; I find it more likely that Palmar is town than BC. Palmar, while relatively inactive, has attempted at times to push his own agenda in lynching VE, good or bad. He's also had a believable narrative in checking/claiming a red check on BC. Is he capable of this sort of play as mafia? It's possible, but I feel it likely that Palmar is actually telling the truth that he simply cba to do anything. It's an illness that often strikes Palmar.
So given that you actually understand this narrative, what has changed your mind must be the fact that I did not send in a check last night. Now, explain how that, specifically, makes me mafia. If you cannot, you're full of shit. to which he responded: On May 07 2013 03:05 yamato77 wrote:
I highly doubt that you're town. Just because you're not objectively scummy doesn't mean you aren't mafia. And that just set me off. Also, yamato was doing a better job of controlling the thread than you. I can't tell if you're playing dumb or if you still don't know. Don't understand this post, why am I dumb?
Read the posts between those two posts of Yamato.
Look at who flipped and what his role is.
Realize why Yamato 180'd
???
Profit!!
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On May 09 2013 04:25 WaveofShadow wrote:Artanis I disagree with the Rayn thing: I still think he was shot to try and frame me (which always seems to fail. Learn from that, mafia, I DON'T get mislynched  ).
I highly doubt that scum shot Rayn over BC/Palmar just to frame you if neither are scum. No one pushed you strongly enough for that by a long stretch. It's completely inplausible imo. If you are indeed town, then you should be just as interested in what other thoughts Rayn had.
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Palmar, did you figure it out yet?
On May 09 2013 04:32 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 04:25 WaveofShadow wrote:Artanis I disagree with the Rayn thing: I still think he was shot to try and frame me (which always seems to fail. Learn from that, mafia, I DON'T get mislynched ). I highly doubt that scum shot Rayn over BC/Palmar just to frame you if neither are scum. No one pushed you strongly enough for that by a long stretch. It's completely inplausible imo. If you are indeed town, then you should be just as interested in what other thoughts Rayn had. But see that;s the thing, right? As far as Rayn being the smartest....after seeing his play in ego I feel I'm biased as to the alternative. Can someone explain?
That's why there's two options to me. Either you and/or maybe GiygaS is scum, or one of BC/Palmar is scum. I think any alternatives are unlikely given the N2 scum shot.
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On May 09 2013 05:26 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh I remember thinking it was about JK at the time he said so (and didn't want to say anything just in case anyone else didn't notice he basically outed himself) but of course with him dead we can't confirm shit.
What was the basis again for the argument that one of you was scum based on RB targets? This game is too fucking long.
Nothing can hit scum N1 except a SK. Positives of blocking a townie far outweigh defensive RB/withholding it. It was never used for any cred.
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On May 09 2013 05:32 Palmar wrote:
and you agree that sharrant almost certainly jailed me n1 artanis?
Yes.
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On May 09 2013 05:45 Palmar wrote:
in hindsight, assume I'm mafia, do you think it's likely I would immediately assume I got shot, knowing it to be false?
There was an hour gap between claiming you got roleblocked and the first mention that you might've been shot. Plenty of time to think about it, and that you bring it up actually means yoou
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On May 09 2013 05:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 05:45 Palmar wrote:
in hindsight, assume I'm mafia, do you think it's likely I would immediately assume I got shot, knowing it to be false? There was an hour gap between claiming you got roleblocked and the first mention that you might've been shot. Plenty of time to think about it, and that you bring it up actually means you might've thought about it. Therefore I wouldn't say it means much.
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On May 09 2013 06:04 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 05:45 Palmar wrote:
in hindsight, assume I'm mafia, do you think it's likely I would immediately assume I got shot, knowing it to be false? Yes. Your the only one who milkde the protection from gunshot. So either someone else was shot and didn't want to say anything, like ace, or bc was shot and you decided to milk it for the cred. Its not out of the realm of possibility.
And it makes sense that he gambled on BC playing along with their one two pelting reads at one another after they both 'agreed' to have both lynched. It was the best plan to stay alive, since anything else was a guaranteed one for one.
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I think it's time for the Wagon of Justice to be erected.
##Vote: Palmar
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On May 09 2013 06:30 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 06:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I think it's time for the Wagon of Justice to be erected.
##Vote: Palmar I'm waiting on responses to my case first. I'm not sure why now of all times you're suddenly convinced, Artanis. Again, I believe you promised me something.
Please point to me where I promised you anything.
I'm convinced now because A) Sharrant's flip confirmed what we already suspected and B) Palmar conveniently got paranoid, thus any potential extra importance he could have if he were town is gone.
That and Palmar's long post was actually awful. No scumhunting, lots of defending and tutoring. Rubbed me the wrong way entirely.
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On May 09 2013 06:40 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Alright I guess you didn't promise anything, I just assumed you were going to comment once night ended. I'm not following how you think Palmar's recent actions are now the nail in the coffin for him, I'm really not.
You're presuming I wasn't suspicious of Palmar yet. Ever since I realized Sharrant was the JK I've kept my eye on Palmar. I just wanted to see if he was going to claim Paranoid or Insane, and make sure he did so before I showed my intents so that he couldn't choose the story that would happen to fit the best to argue himself out of a lynch. That large post was a nail in the coffin because he's not actually looking for scum. He's been doing what he's been doing all game ever since he figured the troll act wouldn't work anymore; try to stay alive in whichever way possible.
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On May 09 2013 06:44 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 06:30 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 09 2013 06:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I think it's time for the Wagon of Justice to be erected.
##Vote: Palmar I'm waiting on responses to my case first. I'm not sure why now of all times you're suddenly convinced, Artanis. Again, I believe you promised me something. Please point to me where I promised you anything. I'm convinced now because A) Sharrant's flip confirmed what we already suspected and B) Palmar conveniently got paranoid, thus any potential extra importance he could have if he were town is gone. That and Palmar's long post was actually awful. No scumhunting, lots of defending and tutoring. Rubbed me the wrong way entirely. Do you want to lynch me based on two factors that are completely out of my control? One, or all of these thought processes must be true, based on your post here: Sharrant jailed Palmar -> Therefore Palmar must be scum Palmar rolled paranoid cop -> Therefore Palmar must be scum Palmar wrote a post defending himself -> Therefore Palmar must be scum I don't know what in particular I need to say to you to explain why you're wrong, but you please provide something for me to respond to if you want to call me scum.
You're scum because you're more interested in your own survival than in actually finding scum.
The best way to get my vote off of you is to find a better target. You've spent enough time defending yourself, I'd rather you spent that time reading filters of people you find suspicious.
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On May 09 2013 06:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 06:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 06:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Alright I guess you didn't promise anything, I just assumed you were going to comment once night ended. I'm not following how you think Palmar's recent actions are now the nail in the coffin for him, I'm really not. You're presuming I wasn't suspicious of Palmar yet. Ever since I realized Sharrant was the JK I've kept my eye on Palmar. I just wanted to see if he was going to claim Paranoid or Insane, and make sure he did so before I showed my intents so that he couldn't choose the story that would happen to fit the best to argue himself out of a lynch. That large post was a nail in the coffin because he's not actually looking for scum. He's been doing what he's been doing all game ever since he figured the troll act wouldn't work anymore; try to stay alive in whichever way possible. Is staying alive only the objective of mafia?
The main objective of town is to find scum, not to stay alive.
The main objective of scum is to stay alive.
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On May 09 2013 06:47 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 06:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 06:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Alright I guess you didn't promise anything, I just assumed you were going to comment once night ended. I'm not following how you think Palmar's recent actions are now the nail in the coffin for him, I'm really not. You're presuming I wasn't suspicious of Palmar yet. Ever since I realized Sharrant was the JK I've kept my eye on Palmar. I just wanted to see if he was going to claim Paranoid or Insane, and make sure he did so before I showed my intents so that he couldn't choose the story that would happen to fit the best to argue himself out of a lynch. That large post was a nail in the coffin because he's not actually looking for scum. He's been doing what he's been doing all game ever since he figured the troll act wouldn't work anymore; try to stay alive in whichever way possible. .....you're kidding me right? I've been saying this shit for days. DAYS. We could have lynched him based on any of this yesterday, or even the day before.
No, because IF he is town then the information from his check on you could prove invaluable. Or at least I thought so when I wasn't sure Sharrant was JK.
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On May 09 2013 06:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not defending Palmar here because it may very well be that I'd like to see him swing, but your reasoning as to why he's scummy NOW and not yesterday or the day before is terrible.
How is it he hasn't been scumhunting? Because he hasn't scumhunted over the first few hours of the day? What about his push of Yamato? Was that not scumhunting? I'm really curious as to your train of thought.
No it isn't. Pushing him yesterday would only be the correct move if I was near 100% certain. That's far from as certain as I was and am. If we flipped him yesterday and he was town, it'd tell us nothing. If he got a green check on you, we'd know BC was checked innocent (not that we still need it, but that only became public knowledge when it was too late)
I actually hadn't realized he spearheaded the Yamato lynch. BC was in my head for that since he's been singing that tune for a bit longer. I guess that teaches me I should pay more attention.
On May 09 2013 06:51 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 06:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 06:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 09 2013 06:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 06:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Alright I guess you didn't promise anything, I just assumed you were going to comment once night ended. I'm not following how you think Palmar's recent actions are now the nail in the coffin for him, I'm really not. You're presuming I wasn't suspicious of Palmar yet. Ever since I realized Sharrant was the JK I've kept my eye on Palmar. I just wanted to see if he was going to claim Paranoid or Insane, and make sure he did so before I showed my intents so that he couldn't choose the story that would happen to fit the best to argue himself out of a lynch. That large post was a nail in the coffin because he's not actually looking for scum. He's been doing what he's been doing all game ever since he figured the troll act wouldn't work anymore; try to stay alive in whichever way possible. .....you're kidding me right? I've been saying this shit for days. DAYS. We could have lynched him based on any of this yesterday, or even the day before. No, because IF he is town then the information from his check on you could prove invaluable. Or at least I thought so when I wasn't sure Sharrant was JK. What? If he ACTUALLY is a town paranoid cop, what do we learn from the check? ....am I honestly a fucking moron or am I missing something here?
We don't learn anything. This is correct, but it's worth the chance in case he IS an insane cop. By waiting a day, we found out he's either a paranoid cop or a fraud.
On May 09 2013 06:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 06:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 06:47 Palmar wrote:On May 09 2013 06:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 06:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 09 2013 01:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
WoS, I was not interested in commenting on the thoughts at that time because I didn't want either Palmar or BC lynched yesterday. I also won't comment on it until night ends. I highly doubt anyone but the JK will die, but in case I randomly get shot, just sheep BM yo. He handsome~ Alright I guess you didn't promise anything, I just assumed you were going to comment once night ended. I'm not following how you think Palmar's recent actions are now the nail in the coffin for him, I'm really not. You're presuming I wasn't suspicious of Palmar yet. Ever since I realized Sharrant was the JK I've kept my eye on Palmar. I just wanted to see if he was going to claim Paranoid or Insane, and make sure he did so before I showed my intents so that he couldn't choose the story that would happen to fit the best to argue himself out of a lynch. That large post was a nail in the coffin because he's not actually looking for scum. He's been doing what he's been doing all game ever since he figured the troll act wouldn't work anymore; try to stay alive in whichever way possible. Is staying alive only the objective of mafia? The main objective of town is to find scum, not to stay alive. The main objective of scum is to stay alive. Part of lynching scum is to not get lynched as town right? That removes one potential candidate from the pool. Would you say I have not scumhunted this game? I consider both parts equal. If every town player makes sure he doesn't get lynched then the game is quite easy, right?
I'd say you've yelled for VE to be lynched without much reasoning, then yelled for BC to get lynched without much reasoning until OO and I came in and made the case for you. The only person you've truly gotten lynched is Yamato, and you started backtracking before he hammered himself, and your case on him rested on your supposed poor reading comprehension. I really find it difficult to believe that something WoS and I saw and understood fairly quickly went past you for this long.
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On May 09 2013 07:11 Palmar wrote:
I misunderstood your post to mean you were telling me that my scumhunting was pointless because I was a suspect.
I'm helping everyone by establishing my innocence. I hate being called scum with no reasoning and it massively (see: yamato) distracts my scumhunting.
If you think what you're doing now will help establish your innocence better than scumhunting I think you're a lot worse at this game then you think.
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On May 09 2013 07:18 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On May 09 2013 07:11 Palmar wrote:
I misunderstood your post to mean you were telling me that my scumhunting was pointless because I was a suspect.
I'm helping everyone by establishing my innocence. I hate being called scum with no reasoning and it massively (see: yamato) distracts my scumhunting. If you think what you're doing now will help establish your innocence better than scumhunting I think you're a lot worse at this game then you think. I have admitted it a million times, it basically disrupts me extremely hard when people call me scum for no reason. This is not the first game I say this. Take your vote off me, tell me I'm a unique little flower (and town), work with me, criticize my list from the point of view that I'm town. That's how you can get me scumhunting.
You called my plan extremely dumb so no can do, I'm going to tunnel you the rest of the game now because my feelings are hurt 
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