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On May 03 2013 10:28 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 09:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
BM, once you've caught up could you tell me your thoughts on BC, Palmar, Hopeless, Ace and if you have any scumspects outside of these, those would be great too.
Going to bed now. i still remember like 100 pages worth of this game not a lot will change unless i catch a slip... i haven't caught anything major, yet hopeless1der i dont remember seeing much of, would love to lynch there unless he has a good claim. need someone to compile claims Palmar is still claiming DT? have to keep tabs on him BC is being BC-behind-the-scenes, so I'm LEANING UMBRIDGE, but he could be the town mason, or in the mason group Ace is probably town
Why do you thinkBC is a mason?
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Well i''m not sure I like how BC and BM just brought each other up when they were not the current subjects of debate. But, I think I would almost rather lynch ace to free up our jailer and get enough night hit to look at
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On May 03 2013 21:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
TRN, why almost? Ace is objectively the best lynch today because it'll free up our JK which will screw with scum's shots on townies because they can't be certain they can shoot the towniest looking player.
Because we are still not sure theres a second mafia vigi... but I think even if their isn't, we can give our jailer an excuse to try and save people as opposed to waste it blocking what the town thinks is a SP anyways.
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On May 03 2013 22:28 ObviousOne wrote:
So yeah
When I commented that we were running out of objectively scummy shit to talk about, that wasn't supposed to be like some kind of conscious or subconscious cue to start doing objectively scummy things.
/justsayin
I suppose next your going to tell us we need to just consolidate and get this day over with arn't you?
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On May 03 2013 23:07 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 22:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Guys. Seriously, there isn't a second scum vigi because I seriously doubt scum would have the balls to save their vigi for D5, and they've already had 3 strong power roles flip including a vigi. The setup would be pretty rediculously scum favoured if there was another scum vigi when town gets none.
Ace is confirmed 3rd party. Lynching him frees up our JK, which means he can protect townies rather than stop Ace from firing which means we get potentially more days and forces scum to guess who won't get protected so they can't shoot who they want to without risk.
Lynch Ace
I'm just going to afk now until Ace is lynched, unless someone actually brings up something I've missed which I highly doubt. How can you be so bad at reading? How many times have I explained it now. If scum have a second vigi they fired it on night 2. It would look exactly like Ace was the serial poisoner. HOW MANY TIMES HAS THIS BEEN SAID? Honestly, it's so frustrating. Lynching Ace right now gives the mafia an extra kill that we only have a chance to block, this isn't including things like a jail keeper may jail a doctor if we have one which means we potentially waste a lynch AND gain nothing for it. I want to lynch Hopeless, and then if he flips red, you hang next. That should be all the mafia, then Ace can die. If Hopeless isn't mafia, I'll look into everyone else again, but you're defending him by pushing the lynch off of him, giving mafia an extra night's worth of kills. That's why I ninja voted Hopeless. If you're not mafia, Hopeless, I'm sorry. But Artanis is doing a good job of making you look like you are.
By that logic, you lynch freaken Artanis, not Hopeless.
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Also, you really think we have a jailer, a medic, 2 masons , and 3 cops? Thats crazy. No, our one protection role is wasted chillling on ace which means Mafia knows that they can kill whoever they want.
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Okay... so if Jailer dies tonight, why do you want to leave the SP alive Sharrant? if theres even a chace the jailer can die, we need to lynch ace because if we don't were stuck with an extra night kill we could have avoided. Its a fucking huge risk to leave alive because the jailer dieing actually cost us 2 instead of one, plus then we haveto lynch ace anyways.
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I would actually say letting Ace live helps the Mafia more then the town, if nothing else because hes an easy lynch to push just for being him, and the fact that the jailer can't move to block while stuck on him as well as if ace manages to get a shot off, there is a much higher chance of hitting a townie then scum. All in all, leaving ace alive hurts us more then helps.
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On May 04 2013 00:30 Sharrant wrote:
Role block should go through regardless of jailers death, unless set up is modified in a way I don't know. If jailer dies, lynch ace. No deaths will occur from ace unless jk spends a night not rbing him, or we leave him alive for a night after jk dies.
But if you want to lynch him as soon as the jailer is dead anyways, why not just do it now and let the jailer try to block? Thers no reason to leave him alive to kill him later if were just going to literally kill him later.
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On May 04 2013 00:49 Stutters695 wrote:
I don't give a shit about town cred because if you can't tell I'm town you've obviously either never played with me or are looking for an "easy" mislynch.
To be fair, you ant giving us much to go on.
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I vote we lynch geript for this overused joke 
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You know Sharrant, I think you still need to format your vote properly.
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On May 04 2013 01:16 WaveofShadow wrote:Yay I read someone right for once. Sharrant, can you clarify this for me? Show nested quote +On April 30 2013 06:48 Sharrant wrote:On April 30 2013 06:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think I'ma check Ace tonight instead. What do you think guys? I think that's a terrible idea. I'm 100% sure Ace is town. Check to confirm the other claims. Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 05:02 Sharrant wrote:On May 03 2013 04:42 yamato77 wrote:On May 03 2013 04:35 Hopeless1der wrote:On May 03 2013 04:34 yamato77 wrote:On May 03 2013 04:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
why the fuck is ace in that list? Should I care with which order I lynch anti-town elements in this game? Yes considering Ace's KP is controlled atm Only if you assume the JK plays along with our plan, and mafia doesn't already know who he is. If I can figure it out, I'm sure they aren't that stupid. The only exception to the following is thus: You think Ace is mafia and bussed 2 of his teammates, and possibly a third. No, it's quite demonstrably anti-town to lynch Ace. It's been explained several times. There are three situations where you lynch Ace: One: At least one night before LyLo. Two: If the jailer dies to a night kill. Even if the jailer dies to a night kill, Ace will still be RB'ed and thus cannot kill anyone, and he can be lynched without losing any townies. Three: We have 5 dead mafia and the game has not ended. Why do you people not understand this? Ace is not in any way shape or form confirmed third party. He is the only candidate that could be third party (aside from a survivor) but lynching him is ANTI-TOWN. Lynching him now means we give another night to the mafia members in return for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Unless our jailer pops up and goes "I'm not RB'ing Ace tonight" then there's no reason to lynch him. On top of that, IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE HE'S NOT THIRD PARTY. If there's a scum Vigi still left alive (which is just as likely in my books as Ace being mafia just due to set up analysis) it would explain the exact same scenario we are in. So anyone not looking at that like it's a possibility is either not using their brain, or is mafia trying to push an agenda. Whether or not he's third party, it is not good town play to lynch him. He still may be town, and either way he's one of the stronger analysts in the game. I'd rather have the counsel of a man who knows he is doomed to lose, than potentially kill a townie AND waste time not killing mafia when Ace is already a completely solved situation.TLDR; There's never a situation in which Ace kills a townie unless our jailer dies AND we spend the following day not lynching Ace. Ace is a bad lynch today. I don't want to have to argue this anymore, I'm going to go read stuff, and if anyone tries to dispute this and cannot prove even a single specific scenario where this breaks down, I will just assume you're mafia and go from there because you will be pushing anti-town agendas with the knowledge that it has no benefit to town, and only helps mafia. I know it's not necessarily alignment-indicative that you basically hard-defended him all day since he's 3p and all and doesn't have teammates, but why were you so goddamned stubborn?
I would actually say it looks fairly bad for him he stopped being so duper scum hunter Sharrant and kinda made it through on his town cred, and comes back when its used up only to hard defend the guyits probably better if Mafia kept alive. Thats just me though.
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On May 04 2013 01:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
As expected.
Tomorrow, we lynch the cobbler.
JK, whoever you are, assign a value on everyone based on the likeliness you think of them getting hit, then RNG between it. (for example. 50% player A 25% player B 25% player C, you RNG from 1-4 and on 1-2 you protect player A, 3 player B, 4 player C).
Hopeless, case on TRN please.
Everyone else, no opinions on TRN please. Let Hopeless make up his own mind.
Should I be hurt your singling out me?
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On May 04 2013 02:12 yamato77 wrote:
Let's lynch BC tomorrow.
I would rather lynch palmar given the choice.
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On May 04 2013 07:09 Bill Murray wrote:
wheres lupin
This made me kinda think of something. Are we taking OO as town just because of that cop check? if hes GF that would be very unwise. Given that we have 2 millers, a framer, and 3ish cops 9you haven't flipped yet palmar) isn't that something we should consider?
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On May 03 2013 10:28 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 09:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
BM, once you've caught up could you tell me your thoughts on BC, Palmar, Hopeless, Ace and if you have any scumspects outside of these, those would be great too.
Going to bed now. i still remember like 100 pages worth of this game not a lot will change unless i catch a slip... i haven't caught anything major, yet hopeless1der i dont remember seeing much of, would love to lynch there unless he has a good claim. need someone to compile claims Palmar is still claiming DT? have to keep tabs on him BC is being BC-behind-the-scenes, so I'm LEANING UMBRIDGE, but he could be the town mason, or in the mason group Ace is probably town
BM... wheres our explination on why BC is an umbridge?
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I dunno, I think one of the lurkers has to be scum at this point. What happened to Sharrant and Giggles? They look way worse then anyone else to me right now for just how little they are actually doing, followed by stutters and Hopeless.
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i'm personally not a fan of how Artanis is saying we shouldn't lynch two of the most supicious people in the thread until were at a mislynch and lose. Kinda suggests to me hes scum with one of them/someone unlikely to be lynched and its an easy way to avoid killing them and its a crappy plan to cause a mislynch when at lylo.
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On May 05 2013 08:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 05:53 TheRavensName wrote:
i'm personally not a fan of how Artanis is saying we shouldn't lynch two of the most supicious people in the thread until were at a mislynch and lose. Kinda suggests to me hes scum with one of them/someone unlikely to be lynched and its an easy way to avoid killing them and its a crappy plan to cause a mislynch when at lylo. 1. I'm not saying we wait until MYLO, I'm saying we wait until 1 lynch before M/LYLO so we'll have time to lynch both. 2. I'm pretty much confirmed town to anyone that has read the thread.
No. No your not. NO ONE is confirmed town until thy flip green. Anyone who has to insist that they are so townie when they are not about to be hammered is scummy for it.
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