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On April 10 2013 16:46 yamato77 wrote: It's not teh best idea, but it's better than trying to rely on nullish reads that I had on Deconduo and Rayn The better idea is to play like we still have 3 scum alive and just be happy if the game ends after fewer than 3 are killed  | ||
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On April 10 2013 16:49 yamato77 wrote: Do you think Rayn or Palmar picked compulsive justice vigi? If not, I'm 100% certain a scum was shot last night. No, I don't think either of them did. Why are you so certain, though? | ||
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On April 10 2013 16:53 yamato77 wrote: Because otherwise, the vigi would have killed himself? There are other ways. Scum hider, scum bulletproof, medic, jailer, roleblocker, etc that could have caused justice vigi not to die. | ||
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On April 10 2013 16:56 Mocsta wrote: Anyways i asked this before no response so bringing it back to the fore. Noone has claimed rayn kill. Why rayn over sno? Afterall jon snow must die!! But seriously if rayn was scum killed. He had no prescence. So i surmise it was an awesome role snipe attempt. why leave sno.. And an answer. Becauae someone stupid will come up with this theory to justify sno lynch isnt good.enough. I played with town sno before. And he doesnt feel the.same to me. I couldnt read.him before due to low activity but now he has some posts. Different story. He is mainly focused on irrelevant matters. Hs trying to look like scum hunting. But isnt. Thoughts? If I had to hazard a guess, I would say probably that scum was trying to hit the inventor (if indeed they shot rayn and not some townie). Rayn seemed sort of interested in the role, and sn0 didn't at all. And rayn seemed to be hinting at inventor at the end of the night, so who knows if he actually was or not. As far as a read on sn0, I haven't played with him before, but objectively I feel like he's probably town. Things like this stand out to me: On April 09 2013 02:58 Sn0_Man wrote: "Hey Sn0 give us a read on every person in the thread" no fuck you I don't like big games. I think Sinani is the best lynch today and there is my vote. Other people I don't like (but don't expect to lynch either) include oatsmaster and to an extent bill murray. I joined this PYP because its PYP so hopefully some interesting stuff happens tonight. I'm more interested in cool roles and interactions and that stuff and less interested in the traditional mafia scumhunt. I've played all my games with an eye towards solving stuff (with logic and blue roles) rather than having good reads on people. This is his first game outside of the newbies. Nothing about this post reads like a scared scum playing outside his depths. It 100% reads like a townie. And this: On April 09 2013 06:04 Sn0_Man wrote: @Austin: Vivax e-famous for making no sense All my relevant posts are in a short period I recommend you read that period rather than from filter because context is important. Either way, the comment on VE was when there were essentially 2 candidates (VE/Artanis) and I felt VE was a better lynch. Later, I very clearly said VE is NULL to me but a better lynch than most purely for information purposes. So I was willing to vote VE but didn't see him as scummy. Some other people mentioned going after Sinani/Shelvocke so I poked through their filters and decided Sinani was the best lynch. I still think oats looks bad but there is no movement to lynch him so I'm leaving that read on the backburner. I don't waltz into a thread and demand answers after posting essentially nothing for 48 hours, and I don't try to "lead" people whose play I respect. Again, in the context of a newbie just out of his newbie games and playing in the big leagues, this doesn't make sense as a scum post. He sees that he was wrong about Artanis and VE (to an extent). He's not making apologies for it, or trying to fix his mistake. He's just calmly explaining himself. Yea, pretty sure that guy is town. | ||
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On April 10 2013 17:14 Mocsta wrote: Kei i think u giving too much newbie cred check out the scum.qt in newbie 38 he replaced in and was very excited to roll scum in the newbies he tried to be a leadwr. Sthe heuristics u taking dont really apply to ppl like that. I was excited to roll scum my first time too (against marv, no less). And I was a town leader of sorts in that game. That doesn't mean that I went around spouting off to people. It's about the attitude behind the posts, though. Everything about them says "I'm a townie who isn't being afraid or careful with what I say". Hell, you like to think you are one of those people who are balls-to-the-wall as scum. But in Hydra, that was the first thing I picked up about you that made me think you were scum: you were willing to get into arguments, sure, but when it came time to get out of them, you felt really...diplomatic. Appeasing, you could say. Like you were playing it safe. These posts don't fit that style at all. They're just blunt and tot he point. No fucks are given. Pretty sure he's town. | ||
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Pretty sure Sharrant is scum. Look at these posts: On April 07 2013 06:43 Sharrant wrote: Hi, Viscera. I'm pretty much null on your actions, so I want you to help me. Now, the reason I'm null on you is because I know I can't read you. Last game we played I thought I had a slam dunk case on you, and you were town. Now I might be reaching with this, but I want you to help me talk about Keirathi. See, just a short while ago there was talk about why Keirathi was scum, I think there're some really valid points in there. And I think a few others saw it too, but then suddenly the town was dragged off of this and into a spammy little brawl focused on antogonizing you and painting you as scum. Maybe you're scum, maybe you're not, but the way the thread has turned suggests to me you're not. This feels more to me like you're getting attacked the same way that caused Marvellosity to explode when he was town in a recent game. So I want you to talk to me about Keirathi, who after being called out has dissapeared after the cases on him, and I just want your opinion on Rayne because frankly I'm not quite sure how to read him. Do you think this could be mafia Keirathi's team trying to drag the town away from him after he got caught by causing a spammy mess on day 1? Do you think this is more likely town getting in an argument that is not indicative of Keirathi's alignment? And then your opinion on Keirathi himself and Rayne would be great., thank you. In the pre-game. I think he was actually trying here to do what he claimed was happening with me. I think he was trying to draw attention away from VE and give VE and out by pushing sentiment back towards me. On April 08 2013 09:46 Sharrant wrote: Well, I can't think of anyone who commented on my Keirathi case, but here's an update for no one. + Show Spoiler + He's off my scum list after these posts. They look much more like his town games. In his scum games he's more political in his posts. In his two scum games he's had disagreements but always contested things conservatively, compared to his town games like Red where he called bullshit twenty or so times on the first day. On April 07 2013 14:57 Keirathi wrote: EBWOP: Oh, what the fuck. Explain the bolded. Because it sounds like made up bullshit. On April 07 2013 15:28 Keirathi wrote: So go look at his filters from past games. Dismissing a meta read because you're too lazy to look at the meta yourself is just...wtfboggle. And my point wasn't that he was just pushing a plan to get himself high in the draft order. Yes, a townie could do that too. What I don't think a townie would do is specifically say that one plan was undeniably the best plan for town, the immediately flip flop on it and say that its a bad plan now, just because a new plan came up that benefits himself more. He's putting himself above the town as a whole; suddenly and for not much reason. (Which I also contend is completely different from what town rayn just did last game.) On April 08 2013 07:54 Keirathi wrote: @rayn: good, you're back First: ##Unvote Now, let's talk a bit: What are you defending here? WHY are you defensive? I didn't call you out for lurking/not contributing/whatever. Weird opening statement. You're right to an extent. I said that I hadn't read your scum meta. But everything about your play has been so glaringly different from the way you JUST played as town. Why? "Because the game is different" isn't an excuse for thinking and behaving completely differently. You didn't specifically call it dumb. I was...paraphrasing, a bit. And that post you just linked came before the post where I said you were calling geript's plan dumb, which is even weirder. Let's look at the progression, exactly: Then: geript's plan was exactly that: the people in the first 4 slots (aka pod, in this case) would be limited to a certain pod of picks. You said that was unarguably the best plan for town. Then changed your mind and are saying it's a bad plan. That's what I was getting at, here. Ugh, I hate this kind of excuse. "No one else was doing anything, so I refuse to do anything too!" YOU were the one saying that the top picks needed some kind of cooperation. Why didn't you try to get any? You just got your top pick, and buggered off. It's not my job to find out why you spew out bullshit reads with no explanation. The onus is on you to explain yourself. But again, that isn't even my point AT ALL. My entire point was that the way you are acquiring those reads is entirely inconsistent with how you acquired reads in Red Team. In Red Team, you saw something you didn't like, and either made a case right there, or you started poking and prodding at the person, questioning them and their motives. This game you just drop a name. Why so different? Again, missed the whole point. You said that the top picks needed to be cooperative with picking powerful roles/denying scum roles. But didn't try to cooperate at all with the top picks once the draft order came out. I already addressed that. No, trying to get yourself in a top pick isn't scummy, in itself. Rapidly changing your mind to a plan that benefits you more, personally, than town, and then refusing to back up your opinions on cooperating with the other top picks is scummy, though. I'm looking forward to seeing what you contribute today, though. Hopefully you can change my mind. ##Unvote: Keirathi Regarding Artanis I'm going to do some more reading tonight, but he has some posts that I find quite townie. I think they show that he is trying to contribute, as well as a clear thought process in attempting to help the town determine what is best in the draft phase. Gives critical input on a plan as opposed to negative input, and has his first iteration of a plan: Everyone pick as discretely as possible. Again giving critical input and creating a new plan, or at the very least a new iteration in Yamato's plan. Brings up his idea again, stating he believes it's an improvement to the plan, and again is applying critical thinking about the picking strategies that others are proposing. I don't see this as "hiding in set up speculation" I see this as someone applying critical thought as to how the town can start the game off with the most advantageous, and start the mafia off with the least. He takes criticism on his plan well, says he'll take time to think about it. To me it reads really townie,especially because of a later post where he brings up that the route town was going had no accountability. His posts to me show the thought process of someone trying to min/max the drafting system, and follows a plausible planning process. As I said earlier, I'll take a further look into him, and read the cases more thoroughly, but to me he reads as at least decently townie. I'm going to post this now, I'll be reading and writing for a (hopefully) larger post, so if anyone else is going to be on for a bit, let's chat about someone, I'll even let you pick who. Deflecting away from Artanis. On April 08 2013 11:21 Sharrant wrote: @StrongandBig Hi! I'll try and give you a sort of stream of consciousness on this one, and hopefully that will actually help me figure out where I stand on him. I've read through his filter a few times and I always notice things that send me in opposite directions on his alignment. + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 13:25 ObviousOne wrote: Okay duders, raid night is over. Going for a quick re-read of the past half day after I post this since I've been tabbing out to catch what I could during down time. First impressions: I saw that Oats is/was under some suspicion (just going from memory, don't recall if it was talked out or not) but Oats is Oats; he's a bit all over the place but I don't see the same intent to shut things down that someone mentioned earlier. He was just as loud and all-over in RED. Null still. RO seems to want to be more helpful than I remember him being as scum in LX, not feeling what you guys that are suspicious of him are feeling there, either. Got my eye on Rayn at the moment. His style was spammy but usually constructive (at least in telling us what he was thinking) and I've got none of that after the first couple pages of his filter. Ten one-liners in a row or something, doesn't match up to his standard attacking pattern from RED. The attacks there were thought-out, here they mostly look like casual accusations perhaps fishing for reactions? The only points he has going for him is that he's absolutely confused about what is going on regarding the draft process: Rayn, if you are serious about RO being scum then lay if out for me in one clean concise post, and if you are not, who are you most suspicious of right now? Or are you just drunk again? Other stuff: Most of the chat was about planning how to set up the top spots to get roles protected, is that still a thing? I'm spot 2 somehow, and I was thinking about taking America because America, fuck yeah! Is that going to make me a Pariah or something? Girls just wanna have fun, you know? I'll use it as a second lynch like was suggested yesterday or I can just sit on it if you guys are paranoid about it. Going back for that re-read and making some coffee. See you in a bit when I'm finished with that. PS: Seriously guys, the spam, cut it out, I decided to avoid large games because of the sheer volume of posts so please be less liberal with one-liners, thank you! This post felt very airy, it certainly felt to me like a post that was primarily summation. There are some good questions in there, but there's no hard stances. The closest he comes to that is that he says he's got his eye on Rayn, but then never specifically says he was scummy. Points out he doesn't give fit his previous town meta, but then he gives him an out on it anyways saying that he might be fishing for reactions. I actually noticed something that really has me leaning towards scum on him now. He makes 2 posts specifically stating for people not to spam, and has several posts insulting BM for making small spammy posts with no content. I read this as townie when I first skimmed through his filter, but looking at it again There's something very wrong. + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 13:25 ObviousOne wrote:. PS: Seriously guys, the spam, cut it out, I decided to avoid large games because of the sheer volume of posts so please be less liberal with one-liners, thank you! On April 06 2013 13:26 ObviousOne wrote: ... Bill we went over this about the spamming -- you've got ~14 posts on this page alone. Summarize your VE meta and compare it to this game and show me how he's so definitively town. In one post. Look at his posts: + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 10:03 ObviousOne wrote: I'll indulge your soft town claim for a moment and simply ask you why your list contains 9 people. If you can justify all 9 in some way at least we'll know whether or not you're talking the breeze with these myriad suspicions. On April 06 2013 10:03 ObviousOne wrote: EBWOP: Oops, looks like I miscounted, make that 10. On April 06 2013 10:08 ObviousOne wrote: If I've misread it please tell me how. It won't be the first time. I spent like 24 hours in Fruity misreading every little thing so just straighten me out instead of spitting in my face, thx. On April 06 2013 11:28 ObviousOne wrote: WTF are all these random ass reads BM? Is this what you always do? On April 06 2013 11:38 ObviousOne wrote: RIGHT ABOUT WHAT PLEASE TYPE MORE JESUS FUCK On April 06 2013 13:26 ObviousOne wrote: ... Bill we went over this about the spamming -- you've got ~14 posts on this page alone. Summarize your VE meta and compare it to this game and show me how he's so definitively town. In one post. On April 06 2013 13:29 ObviousOne wrote: Okay I'm laughing my ass off at this but really, three dot points or something. Substance, please. Who do you want to lynch D1? On April 06 2013 13:52 ObviousOne wrote: ... not sure what to make of this but way to leave yourself open to accusations of a scum slip. Wow that's really bad looking. On April 06 2013 13:57 ObviousOne wrote: So do you know who is mafia or are you saying AustinMCC is a town read of yours? ALL of those posts were one after another. They're spread out over 4 hours, but it's 11 posts that are almost entirely one liners, some without even any text. Yet he was saying don't spam, make good quality posts. Why wasn't he doing that too? + Show Spoiler + On April 08 2013 08:24 ObviousOne wrote: Also sorry to dine and dash but my cousin wants to hang out, back in a few hours if I manage to be wakeful when I get home. Oh, gotta vote too. On April 08 2013 09:58 ObviousOne wrote: Bored Walk Empire Mafiyawn: Pull Your Pud =[ On April 08 2013 10:25 ObviousOne wrote: Undertaker 21-0 GG no RE On April 08 2013 10:46 ObviousOne wrote: Mocsta. I love you dearly. Please make paragraphs. Or I'll Do This Just To Explain Why It's Annoying And Difficult To Read. On April 08 2013 10:52 ObviousOne wrote: @Mocsta <3 never change Look at all the spam there. And the kicker, Straight up saying to spam. Call it a joke, or whatever, but that kind of conflicting mindset isn't townie. ##vote: ObviousOne You can't stay in line with your own thinking at all, I think that's because you're scum. Chainsaw Artanis. But I think this is the kicker: On April 08 2013 12:45 Sharrant wrote: I'm pretty much 100% sure that that was an assassin kill. Gonzaw pretty much gave away his role earlier when he was figuring that he could withhold his shot today and have any possibility of surviving until the next day and being able to shoot. This makes Sinani look worse for fishing for his role now that it is fairly likely that scum have an assassin. It is possible that he was day vigi'd, but that is much much less likely in my opinion. This was almost immediately after the gonzaw shot. At the time, Mocsta and I (and maybe a few others), were floundering a bit about what role killed gonzaw. In strolls Sharrant being 100% sure it was an assassin kill (and remember, he's been hard defending the actual assassin). Keep reading a bit after that and see how the rest of the conversation went down. He tried to flip it to make Mocsta scummy, and he seemed to have put an extraordinary amount of thought into gonzaw being Jack before he flipped for a "townie". So yea, Sharrant is scum. And with that, I sleeps. G'nite! | ||
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1 last thing. I think we have 2 scum between Sharrant, sinani, and Vivax. Maybe OO. I think our lynch candidates for the day should be out of them. I'm going to drop my vote on Sharrant and sinani, and we can talk tomorrow. | ||
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Notice that Sharrant said the exact same thing that Artanis said: "sinani is scummy but don't lynch him. Shoot him." Weird, no? | ||
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On April 11 2013 00:51 Sharrant wrote: Hi, Keirathi. If VE was my scum buddy, do you think he would've responded to my post? Because he never did. The reason I brought it up to him is twofold: pretty much absolutely nobody read my case on you, or if they did, nobody commented on it, and the conversation of the thread shifted immediately away from you. And I don't know how to read VE, like I said, I thought I made a slam dunk case about him last game, but he was town. As you can read in that post, I did not expect both of you to be scum, so I wanted his opinion on you, and to help foster some discussion because his response to the game was to stick his head in the sand. After he didn't respond I pretty much gave up on him because there was more important stuff going on in the thread, and he would either start playing, or he would likely get shot. I can't speak for what VE would or wouldn't have done if he was your teammate. What I can speak of is that VE, by his own admission, wasn't really reading the thread, or really responding to anything. Why would this case have been any different if you happened to be teammates? From the way he played, and his role, it seems pretty obvious to me that he was hoping to skirt by just enough during the day to survive the lynch, and then take out anyone who tried to investigate or vig him. On April 11 2013 00:51 Sharrant wrote: Why did I defend Artanis? Because he read townie to me and he was a serious lynch candidate. He read townie to me not just for the reasons I gave in that post you quoted, but because he was the only person who seemed to be reading and responding to my posts. He genuinely seemed to be involved in the game, and read as if he was in a similar position to me in the early game: A townie that seems to oft be ignored by the thread unless something sparks particular interest from the thread. Being wrong isn't a crime. But when I look at that big post about Artanis, I don't really see you addressing any of gonzaw's points. Every quote you quoted is just calling Artanis townie for his pre-game plans. Anyways, this was the weakest part of my case against you. It just feels like a typical scum defending a scumbuddy, though, because you gloss over the scummy parts to only talk about the things that might make him town. On April 11 2013 00:51 Sharrant wrote: As for the "chainsaw defense" thing, that's particularly scummy for you. I was asked by another player to read Obvious One's filter, and comment on it. So that's what I did. If you had read the thread and not cherry picked the quote you would know that. Now if you have something that you would like to dispute with the case, talk to me about it. Now, this is an interesting response. Yes, you were specifically asked by another player to read OO. But, what exactly did S&B ask? On April 08 2013 10:30 strongandbig wrote: so how about lets talk about a player? I randomly chose obviousone. i wrote up a few sentences about his post about artanis, how about you do the same and then we can both post ours after i finish my next dota game? Except, in your entire post, you never talk about OO's post about Artanis. Why not? That seems like a pretty huge part of OO's filter, and should be a decent way for you to get a read on him. I mean, OO apparently did a lot of meta research and concluded that your strongest town read was scum. Why ignore it and only talk about other things? Another interesting point is that you seemed quite able to go read meta. Hell, all of your case on me and subsequent retraction of said case was a meta "feel" read. So the first part of your attack on OO seems strange: On April 08 2013 11:21 Sharrant wrote: This post felt very airy, it certainly felt to me like a post that was primarily summation. There are some good questions in there, but there's no hard stances. The closest he comes to that is that he says he's got his eye on Rayn, but then never specifically says he was scummy. Points out he doesn't give fit his previous town meta, but then he gives him an out on it anyways saying that he might be fishing for reactions. You didn't go check of OO makes those kinds of posts as town or scum? Why not? Ironically, this section is doing exactly what you're accusing OO of; you give a quick overview of something, but you don't actually say what you think about it. It's just "airy". (And yes, I know you are calling him scum later. My point is, what is the point of this section? You don't say whether that post in particular makes him scum or not. It doesn't add to the case). All that combined is why I called your push on OO a "chainsaw" defense. On April 11 2013 00:51 Sharrant wrote: Yep, I was pretty much 100% sure, but not as you stated 100% sure. There's a difference. Again you go with your "extraordinary" amount of thought. He made it about as obvious as BM made his own role at the start of today. You could glance at his posts and tell what he was, if you think the fact that I'm trying to determine other people's selections is scummy, that's fine. I do it because I want to know as much as I possibly can. I was using your words, not my own. And again, it wasn't obvious to ME because I just didn't care. But I digress, this is sort of a pointless argument. It's just an interesting tidbit that you seemingly knew gonzaw's role before he flipped, and were certain that the shot came from an assassin. Do you not agree that this looks fishy from my end? On April 11 2013 00:51 Sharrant wrote: I'm going to give your filter a re-read, and read some of your past games later. I want to know if you cherry pick as both alignments. Please do. I've been quite wrong myself this game. As far as cherry picking....what do you want me to do, quote your entire filter? 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So you do not believe my claim either? | ||
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So you think I'm scum, claiming a cop check on my scumbuddy austin, who's also claiming a cop check on our other scumbuddy sn0? How are you so tunneled on austin that you can't see that that would be the stupidest mafia play ever? | ||
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On April 11 2013 04:38 Sn0_Man wrote: PS deconduo like has to be scum doesn't he? Like, seriously. He HAS to be. Nobody is that dumb are they? That would mean very very few scum left but I'm leery. Deconduo sounded serious (if he was scum he should KNOW that claim gets him lynched, with scumbuddies and all). I honestly don't know why a scum decon would use Janitor at all. Especially on the first night when there's likely to be the most KP flying around, and some controversial players killed with town KP. But, I also have no fucking clue why a scum decon would claim that he was janitor before he died? Why not keep it quiet and make everyone think that there are still 3 scum left? Neither makes sense. | ||
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On April 11 2013 04:40 yamato77 wrote: And which role creates this "recruiting mason" thing you're talking about, again? Serious? Recruiting Mason - You are the recruiting mason and you love pm networks. After all rolepicks are distributed you will be partnered with 1 person in a pm network. Then every night you will randomly add 1 more player into your pm network (so you will start with a 2 man network before day 1 starts, then add 1 more every night). Everyone will know who is in the network and everyone in the network can pm one another or the entire group (or you can just use a quicktopic), and anyone can be in it, town or mafia. | ||
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On April 11 2013 04:35 Sn0_Man wrote: Right now my biggest questions are Bill Murray (everything about him is so WTF?) So I was thinking about BM some more because of this post. BM almost HAS to be town. What do we know? 1) BM claims Justice Vigi who shot Caller 2) Caller died, BM still alive 3) yamato claimed he tried to take justice vigi. 4) Justice Vigi is 100% not a mafia role. They can't shoot townies with it. So what does that mean? First off, if BM was lying but yamato isn't, then why hasn't the real JV counterclaimed BM yet? So yea, not likely at all, IMO. The only way BM is not JV is if him and yamato BOTH lied. Why would scum link themselves together in a lie like that? If BM ever flips anything other than JV, it outs yamato as lying. If yamato ever flips anything other than VT (and especially if he flips scum non-VT), it makes BM's claim questionable. Maybe not auto-lynch worthy (because scum yamato could have thought about the implications of lying about JV to make BM possibly look bad later but I don't find that very likely at all), but worth looking into. | ||
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