EPTSo that's not really an "association" or anything, more than it is an association with VE, or RO, or anybody else.
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So that's not really an "association" or anything, more than it is an association with VE, or RO, or anybody else. | ||
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There is a 10.000 essay telling you why Artanis is the scummiest shit in this game instead of Vivax And you have I dunno how many people telling you Vivax is just not that scummy. At all, Vivax is the OPPOSITE of scummy, but that's so characteristic of his that it is scummy in itself  Right now you are just sounding childish dude, wtf? | ||
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On April 07 2013 17:35 Mocsta wrote: I assume you = me If so, your the second "old-school" player taht has disagreed with me regarding association definition? WTF? Association is calling someone scum due to association relationship, without seeing a flip. So yes, leaving all the other shit about Rayn aside: calling him scum due to not giving a read on Artanis is association, as Artanis has not yet flipped. I meant it's not a valid association read. At least no more valid than saying "VE is scum because he made a case against RO to deflect attention off Artanis and didn't mention Artanis at all!" or "Obvious/RO are scum for only mentioning geript and not Artanis in that exchange!" or "Meapak is scum because he is ignoring Artanis even after he called him out!" or "Everybody else is scum for not even mentioning Artanis in the first place!" Bear in mind some of these I mentioned might actually be right | ||
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On April 07 2013 17:37 gonzaw wrote: You are getting annoying Oats. There is a 10.000 essay telling you why Artanis is the scummiest shit in this game instead of Vivax And you have I dunno how many people telling you Vivax is just not that scummy. At all, Vivax is the OPPOSITE of scummy, but that's so characteristic of his that it is scummy in itself Right now you are just sounding childish dude, wtf? *There is a 10.000 word essay... *but that's so uncharacteristic of him that... fuck grammar | ||
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On April 07 2013 17:39 Mocsta wrote: I agree Oats is getting annoying. But not with Vivax is super town; OR ppl have told oats otherwise. i dont recall anyone sticking up for Vivax... o.0 No, Vivax is acting "normal", as in like what any other normal player would act normally in a normal game. He makes some sense at times as well Remembering back on LIX.....this is surprising and very very weird. Maybe he just got better? I dunno He's not obvs town like others, but he's certainly not the "scummiest shit" in the game, and I'd leave him be until he does something else besides his push of RO (which he apparently backed out of, thus he needs to do something, and we need to watch closely what he does) | ||
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Right now you are just yelling "vivax obs scum come on kill him y u no listen to me, cmon" and being a nuisance If you keep like this I don't know if it may even change my mind about your alignment. Also, if every word of that 10.000 word essay is right, yes it makes him scummier | ||
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But I'm not confident on that at all right now, so yeah tough luck Oats. If you make a good convincing case it might help. | ||
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My points have more "higher purpose" than what you are supposedly defending yourself against. For instance you post stuff like: How is pushing my RNG plan not productive? I kept bringing it up even when people ignored me because I thought it was a good plan. I pushed it when people weren't discussing it and asked people how they felt about it. I commented on the Yamato plan and why I disagreed then improved upon it. I'm not trying to contribute, I am contributing. So contributing makes me scum? Okay. I don't see the putting up an appearance at all. I read the thread, had an idea and pushed for it. So I'm scum for contributing but not getting my idea through despite asking numerous times. You could also consider the option that everyone wanted to get their own ideas through, plus the distraction of interaction between people who said they didn't like plans and just wanted to pick their favourite roles made it so that no plan actually got through, not just mine. I really don't see how you can hold that against me. Yes, I am complaining because I hate big games and I got busy since the time I signed up. So you can see me pushing my plan here once again, yet I'm supposedly just talking to put up an appearance. The pushing of my idea has a very clear objective. I want people to talk about it. It's called pressure. You might've heard of it. If I posted "hm, I still kinda think Geript is scum but I'm doubting about it." would there be any pressure left? No, he could sit back, relax, and answer things thought out thoroughly. I wanted him to react with his gut, and he showed a mindset that made me think twice. You are completely missing the point. I make a point about how you are "contributing", yet you can only look at the fact that you are contributing as if it somehow exonerates you I make a point about how you are "pressuring" geript, yet you can only look at the fact that you are pressuring him as if it somehow exonerates you Hint: If just "pushing your setup ideas", "pressuring someone", made everybody town, then there would be no scum lynches in any game whatsoever. I don't have anything else to say though. If you are somehow town I expect you to do something eventually (before you are lynched D1 preferably) that convinces me of that. You defending yourself like you are doing so far is not part of that at all. I thought scum wants to say very little with a lot of words. Guess it's the other way around when you have a scumread on someone. You didn't say "a lot" either. Like I said it was fluffy fluff pile of bullshit stuff. Also I guess you have nothing to say about the difference in your play between this game and British 2 I take it? Here are the filters for convenience again: Artanis in British 2: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400346&user=19729 Artanis in this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766&user=19729[/QUOTE] It's very interesting how my case keeps being buried and never mentioned, when (imo) it's the strongest case in the game so far, yet other players get bandwagoned with so little against them, like for instance S&B If you don't agree with it, refute it, it's that simple. Don't bury it. On April 08 2013 02:33 Restraining Order wrote: Eh, snb looks like the best lynch atm. No he isn't He might look like best vig shot at worst (considering how totally useless he has been). Is this the most you are willing to contribute this D1 RO? On April 08 2013 02:01 austinmcc wrote: Vivax is missing the point, but he's not new and I wouldn't attribute that post to him being scummy. Yes, it shows that he's not following his read throughout the thread there, but it's not like scumVivax should be popping into thread and dropping that question without reading through to see what's happened. gonzaw, thoughts on shelvocke? I'm null on Shevlocke. I had found some stuff I found a little suspicious of him at first (like his first post I believe), and I guess some stuff others say makes sense about him (like how he pushed VE). But nothing convinces me for a D1 lynch. He hasn't been around for much either, which is not good for him, but it isn't good for me to get a better read on him either. Now I'd like you to return the favor, which is....you know....commenting on the gigantic case I made. VE, why are you trying to act so hesitant? Where is the guns-blazing town VE I know of? You seem afraid in your posts or something. | ||
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Scum can "push" any pro-town setup plan they want if they know it will never be implemented. It's also about roles so if implementing that plan gives them enormous town cred why not do it? He didn't push it hard either so that's moot, he just proposed it, and mentioned it in passing in those "fluffy posts" here and there. I won't really comment on Artanis "backing off". It did feel a little off to me if he was scum, but I can't take that as sole evidence he's town or some shit. In MTG 2 Aperture did some stuff that made me back off my scum read on him (there was some stuff that made me and Prome go "Yeah this guy town", like him PMing us out of the game to tell us one of our jokes was funny or something like that) Scum are totally able to do stuff that makes it feel "off" they are scum. Reading his whole play though, it makes me think I should ignore that. I don't mind shevlocke being a lynch candidate or being discussed (hopefully he shows up and does something as well), but I have no reason to lynch him over Artanis today. I also wish someone vigs snoman and/or S&B tonight. This shit is getting ridiculous in terms of activity/caring about the game. I'd prefer sno man dying before S&B though, for reasons previously stated. I also want to know what Obvious concluded about Artanis when he checked his game history. He hasn't concluded anything yet | ||
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Anyways this D1 is like a fuckfest, with some null-scummy dudes (Shevlocke, others), and people that don't even show up (snoman, Caller, shevlocke himself, and more and more) Let's just kill Artanis to make this D1 somewhat productive. Unless someone is day vigi and has a super plan for today or something. Also, yamato+rayn+Sharrant, i'm disappoint son  You guys spent I dunno how many hours discussing shit in the drafting phase, yet now you guys disappear and do shit (I guess this applies to yamato the least, but I don't remember him being as active as before, at least comparing to Mocsta for instance). | ||
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Hye deconduo, what do you think about the Artanis case? You seemed too hung up with the Vivax issue to comment on it. Vivax too. | ||
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Are you content with the way this D1 is going? As in, how discussion in general is going, how scumhunting is going, how pressure on players is going, how consolidation is going, etc? How players are part of thread/discussions, etc? I personally don't like it that much. | ||
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austin, my main point is that Shevlocke was started to being talked about once D1 started. Yes, by the time I made my Artanis case people didn't really talk about him much, but nobody really did anything else other than wagon on S&B and argue with Vivax. I don't think my point on Artanis goes well with Shevlocke because of that. Remember the ONLY time someone called Artanis out was Mepaak and me back in the drafting picking phase basically (and maybe Mocsta when he was arguing with him about geripts case). | ||
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Okay I have an idea guys, wait a second while I write the post | ||
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So let's try something different: I have the ability to kill someone this D1 So, get to it town. Who should I kill? More importantly, for certain players (snoman, etc), convince me why I shouldn't just kill you right now. I hope EVERYBODY tells me in detail who they want me to kill, why, how that affects their lynch candidate, or if they want me to keep my KP for later and not use it. This is your chance to get your SCUMREAD KILLED 100%, if you are good at convincing both me and town (but mostly me); so this is your chance to step up your game and actively try to get your scumread killed (no hiding behind "parking your vote" or shit like that) "But gonzaw, why haven't you killed Artanis yet?" Because I'm not an idiot. I prefer some discussion on these kind of players. If someone is active or semi-active and I find him suspicious or even as scum, it's more important to see how other people react, see town sentiment on that guy, and at worst be convinced against killing him if he's somehow town, plus creating discussion and the like. Also apparently people are not convinced by my case. I think killing him D1 without any feedback from town would have been a bad idea in retrospect, even if he flipped scum I may or may not kill him this D1. I still prefer him for lynch instead. So snoman, Shevlocke, RO, maybe rayn/VE/Caller/Palmar/Sharrant/etc. Show me this D1 why I shouldn't just kill you right now. Also of course post who you want killed, or if you don't want me to kill anybody just yet. Failing to do so may result in a little symptom....called being shot/nuked through your head "But gonzaw, why complain about others vigging someone, if you could kill them yourself?" Because I'm not an idiot I want Snoman, etc to make a stance and have a chance to prove to us they are town and scumhunt before just blindly killing them. I hoped they'd do something by now but that failed. Hopefully this doesn't. "But gonzaw, why claim now? I reread the roles and I don't see anything that can "fuck up" with a day KP (other than maybe "Showtime!", but that can fuck us at any time, and (of course), a day vig/Assassin used on me) Plus I feel there's not much going on. Many people oppose my Artanis case, so that's going nowhere. People are suspicious of some other players, but it just keeps it there, specially if those players are not doing anything else currently or maybe not even show up. I feel this D1 is kind of stagnated, and I don't like it. I mean there are like 9 different people having votes on them right now, there's no consolidation, both in votes and in thread sentiment. Some people have even parked their vote on some random guys (yamato on Palmar, Sharrant on Keirathi) and they seem to keep it there. Some people are just coasting through not doing shit and feeling no pressure. I think it may be time to change that. I tried changing that up with the Artanis case, but it seems it hasn't worked. Let's see if this changes anything. + Show Spoiler + Also if someone shoots me right now or something insta-lynch him please | ||
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gonzaw
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Just want to get some people talking, and if not shoot them (so the threat is real and not imaginary so they can keep doing shit) I still want to lynch Artanis. As more people start contributing and doing more stuff (Shevlocke included), we can consolidate better, and maybe even net us another scum via day KP. Anyways, interesting sinani. Why would you want to kill BM instead of anybody else, like Snoman? Yes, BM has been somewhat absent this whole D1 I think. But why kill him over Caller for instance? I kind of "liked" BM's input back in the draft/role picking phase. It was completely different than his trolly "post shit" stuff he did in LIII I think. He seemed to be putting some effort. Wouldn't mind threatening him with death to post more a little bit though  | ||
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On April 08 2013 06:46 sinani206 wrote: gonzaw are you going to claim exactly what your role is? Why, you scum Assassin? | ||
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On April 08 2013 06:45 Palmar wrote: KILL SOMEONE GONZAW, USE YOUR WRATH, MAKE THEM PAY THEY WILL FEEL MY WRATH EVENTUALLY PALMAR. DO NOT WORRY | ||
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gonzaw
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Hell, even if scum took assassin they can claim (if they use it on a townie they'll be outed). They won't do that though | ||
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