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On April 05 2013 03:36 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 03:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 05 2013 03:30 Oatsmaster wrote:Read this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=335236¤tpage=19why do you disagree with them? Rayn im null on everyone on your list. Thats not the point. The bad part about this plan 1. Top 5 townies choose whatever they want 2. Scum can feel free to pick CPR doc/janitor/voterigger/other scum favored but useless to town roles. So basically no accountability and this doesnt really help town. How does this help town? What if the top 5 choose the same thing? then one is a VT. Which basically made this top 5 thing useless. Why the fuck would top 5 choose the same thing? How is CPRdoc bad for town? What do you exactly want? Everyone to claim what they pick? If not, how are you doing anything different than what i proposed? Except that in my proposition the top 5 picks are most likely town. 1. CPR doc is not the best role or even top 5 for town. 2. The top 5 might choose the same roles cause they DONT KNOW what one of the others is choosing 3. I want to have at max 2, maybe 3 townreads who take out the 2/3 best roles for scum and never use them. The rest is FFA.
1. Yes it is, imo. I can see though why you disagree. IT'S A FUCKING UNLIMITED NIGHT VIGI! It's better that town has it than that scum has it.
2. So how do you propose we avoid this? With top 2-3 claiming what they picked? That's just dumb.
3. Why not let 5-8 or whatever deny the roles good for scum? If they have been picked, we know they are in play and possibly in scum hands.
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On April 05 2013 03:37 Vivax wrote:
Sadly, RO's wasn't a scumclaim. He could just shut up or lie about agreeing with sending in the right numbers while he doesn't.
I would like Palmar and VE to comment on this stuff and tell us who they would like to get the first drafts. Not used to them being so disinterested.
WHY ARE YOU ASSUMING WHEN YOU PICKED NUMBERS YOU CAN'T CHANGE THEM?????
Is it stated somewhere. Seems like a way to say "fu, i don't need to contribute to your plan"..
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Oats if you are town i suggest you think really hard what you are saying right now..
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What are the best roles for sum in your opinion, and should 3 top pickers deny them?
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On April 05 2013 03:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
CPR doc
Voterigger
Janitor
Yes
I agree with CPRdoc.
Why is it more beneficial for town to have top 1-3 to deny voterigger/janitor than them picking a good role like Inventor and have 4-7 worry about those roles?
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And why do you think all 3 ppl at the top won't pick the same role of those three if you don't want people to claim what did they pick?
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On April 05 2013 03:54 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 03:37 Vivax wrote:
Sadly, RO's wasn't a scumclaim. He could just shut up or lie about agreeing with sending in the right numbers while he doesn't.
I would like Palmar and VE to comment on this stuff and tell us who they would like to get the first drafts. Not used to them being so disinterested. I don't care who gets first drafts and I don't intend to play along with any plan.
Hey do you think someone is scum right now?
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On April 05 2013 03:56 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 03:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 05 2013 03:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
CPR doc
Voterigger
Janitor
Yes I agree with CPRdoc. Why is it more beneficial for town to have top 1-3 to deny voterigger/janitor than them picking a good role like Inventor and have 4-7 worry about those roles? Because as it was said EARLIER AND IN THE FUCKING GAME I LINKED WHICH YOU DIDNT READ. That denying scum roles is more important than picking town roles. also we cant control 4-7 and I dont intend to ask them to claim so WE WILL NEVER KNOW WHAT THEY PICKED.
We can't control anyone. Denying "scum roles" in 1-> is stupid.
So we disagree.
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On April 05 2013 03:58 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 05 2013 03:54 Palmar wrote:On April 05 2013 03:37 Vivax wrote:
Sadly, RO's wasn't a scumclaim. He could just shut up or lie about agreeing with sending in the right numbers while he doesn't.
I would like Palmar and VE to comment on this stuff and tell us who they would like to get the first drafts. Not used to them being so disinterested. I don't care who gets first drafts and I don't intend to play along with any plan. Hey do you think someone is scum right now? No I'm not reading closely.
If you are town you might want to read into RO, Caller, Oats atm.
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And maybe Bill Murray and Vivax aswell.
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On April 05 2013 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 03:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 05 2013 03:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 05 2013 03:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
CPR doc
Voterigger
Janitor
Yes I agree with CPRdoc. Why is it more beneficial for town to have top 1-3 to deny voterigger/janitor than them picking a good role like Inventor and have 4-7 worry about those roles? Because as it was said EARLIER AND IN THE FUCKING GAME I LINKED WHICH YOU DIDNT READ. That denying scum roles is more important than picking town roles. also we cant control 4-7 and I dont intend to ask them to claim so WE WILL NEVER KNOW WHAT THEY PICKED. We can't control anyone. Denying "scum roles" in 1-> is stupid. So we disagree.
EBWOP: I meant to say "having people in "1-> to absolutely deny scum favored roles" is stupid."
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On April 05 2013 04:00 Keirathi wrote:
rayn: I honestly think you are missing something here.
Scum not having their "optimal" roles is way more important than town not having its "optimal" roles. Town can win this game with all VTs if we need to, as long as scum doesn't have their "perfect" team. And the kicker is that scum aren't ever going to pick most of the town optimal roles (except maybe inventor) because they just aren't useful to scum and they have no reason to deny them from town. They would just be better off picking mediocre scum roles.
No. Scum want to have a good variety of roles that are strong and work well together. For example medic is a fucking good role to scum, but not picked in the first ~6 slots (because you basically out yourself by doing so). I agree that there are many ways for scum to play this game, that's why i don't want to tell anyone what to pick. That's come up later when analyzing players.
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On April 05 2013 04:06 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 05 2013 04:00 Keirathi wrote:
rayn: I honestly think you are missing something here.
Scum not having their "optimal" roles is way more important than town not having its "optimal" roles. Town can win this game with all VTs if we need to, as long as scum doesn't have their "perfect" team. And the kicker is that scum aren't ever going to pick most of the town optimal roles (except maybe inventor) because they just aren't useful to scum and they have no reason to deny them from town. They would just be better off picking mediocre scum roles.
No. Scum want to have a good variety of roles that are strong and work well together. For example medic is a fucking good role to scum, but not picked in the first ~6 slots (because you basically out yourself by doing so). I agree that there are many ways for scum to play this game, that's why i don't want to tell anyone what to pick. That's come up later when analyzing players. Um how? we dont claim right? Scum want to get as much KP as possible I think, cause more townies around longer isnt good. Whats wrong with my plan Rayn?
BLARFFFFFFFFFFFFFF........ Someone in the mid section is gonna pick medic anyways and that'll come out at some point. If you were #3 picking medic you were dumb, or scum.
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Fuck it. I'm not gonna discuss scum strategies here. It's for you to figure out how to play this setup as scum if you are one..
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On April 05 2013 04:18 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 03:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why do you think all 3 ppl at the top won't pick the same role of those three if you don't want people to claim what did they pick? Having the top 3-5 have preset picks is both unfun and non-productive. It tells scum who to thieve/swap with. That's why the preset pick list is bad. It's exactly why my plan of pod picks is much, much better. It gives people freedom to choose while still providing strong uncertainty as to what exactly has been happening.
That's what i'm saying no?
On April 05 2013 04:20 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
We can't control anyone. Denying "scum roles" in 1-> is stupid.
So we disagree. Well, you're just wrong. Preventing scum from getting the obviously powerful scum roles is exceptionally bad for town. Especially with roles like Janitor. Shit can go bad exceptionally fast in that regard. Roles aren't that important for town. Town will be smart and lynch scum. It's going to happen. Preventing "bad shit" is just as important as being able to do "cool shit."
I don't see how this has anything to do with "#1 must pick X role"? Or if it does, what should #1 pick then? I meant we can't say #1 MUST deny the most powerful scum role, or even #2 or #3..
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On April 05 2013 04:13 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 04:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck it. I'm not gonna discuss scum strategies here. It's for you to figure out how to play this setup as scum if you are one.. I dont think scum has a problem with that in the slightest. I go back to my original plan which is to let the order fall as it shall and not direct it. 1 scum read each everyone?
Then why do you want to do that?
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3 scum reads:
Caller, RO, Oats.
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