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On March 21 2013 01:06 marvellosity wrote:


this is hilarious because i did the same thing with kitaman and katina. Fairly sure I referred to kitaman as "she" on more than one occasion in my early days. kitaMAN didn't throw me off at all

On March 26 2013 07:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Got my role PM and i'm ready to go!



Yo hey yo, why do you think this is not obvious?

On March 26 2013 23:38 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
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Prplhz I have seen be lurky early as town, but by the end of day 1 I expect to know his alignment. He's good enough as town to put forth effort justifying his suspicions.
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On March 27 2013 05:30 Nisani201 wrote:
The initial case on Grack was bad, it was based off of his reactions to certain things, which weren't really scummy. He didn't do anything scummy after that. As I said earlier, the only reason people are voting for him is because of Palmar.

On March 27 2013 05:31 prplhz wrote:
@strongandbig I didn't really follow the raynpelikoneet debacles because he's posting a lot and picking fights with everybody and he's grandmother and that's a plus for now.

On March 27 2013 05:34 Keirathi wrote:

Err, what? You just voted Grack 2 hours ago, which was during page ~25 or so.

On March 27 2013 06:28 sinani206 wrote:


Question for you: what's your problem with me?

On March 27 2013 11:16 Grackaroni wrote:

lol see what the hell is this. I thought he was town but nobody is going to listen to me so now I'll just vote for town.

On March 27 2013 12:58 Hapahauli wrote:
People need to stop being idiots and vote for Prplhz.

I challenge you to figure out how this quote comes from a townie:


Prplhz sheeped Palmar on his Grack case. He should find him town.
Therefore, he passively suggests to Nisani that Nisani should find Palmar more suspicious? Yeah no.

On March 27 2013 22:20 marvellosity wrote:


It would be much better if you accepted the strength of the argument rather than arguing me off my scumread like you did in Clothes Mafia

On March 28 2013 00:01 Palmar wrote:


Did you read his posting so far? He's very clearly reading the thread and putting effort in his posts. Even if he is scum, which is a possibility (him realizing marv might be burned by the Personality mafia stuff and his response to my case on Grack are both somewhat strange), he is not playing scum you can catch without any information.

I cannot say he isn't scum, but I can say I'm not lynching him right now.

On March 27 2013 09:36 Palmar wrote:

That question is so stupid, just like your claim. Since I think you're town, yet you're playing like an idiot I'm just going to ignore you for the rest of the game since you're clearly not capable of playing well.

On March 28 2013 00:07 marvellosity wrote:


I'm going to answer for Palmar because this is silly. Very rarely are things binary in mafia. Having a town-read on someone doesn't mean you 100% think they're town.

How about that Nisani meta you promised me?

On March 28 2013 02:01 Acrofales wrote:


I don't disagree with your conclusion (obviously), but what happened in those three minutes to change your mind?

On March 28 2013 02:24 Hapahauli wrote:


My original case has very little to do with meta (Yamato brought that up in your defense, but I obviously disagree with the comparison).

The issue I have is your complete lack of contributions thusfar, and you spreading suspicion on multiple players in non-committal ways (soft-pushing). This, combined with your general lack of contribution this game makes you pretty darn scummy.

On March 28 2013 02:29 marvellosity wrote:


Which game are you referring to?

On March 28 2013 02:38 Hapahauli wrote:
The spreading suspicion thing is in regard to your early-game questioning. I'm generally fine with questioning, but it's very scummy in the manner that you did it.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403256&currentpage=36#720
Basically as I outlined here, you repeatedly spread suspicion on players without drawing any conclusion or analysis.

On Acro...

On Sinani...

And on InsertSmurfHere/Nisani...

Not only are your suspicions devoid of analysis, but you never follow up on them. You "poke" a player with a question, incite suspicion, and then that's the end of the issue. This is textbook scum-behavior really.

On March 28 2013 03:24 Hapahauli wrote:
##Unvote

I leik prplzh

On March 28 2013 03:33 Hapahauli wrote:


I rather liked the last post, and you've been slowly improving overnight in terms of analysis. Combined with that is this lingering suspicion of InsertSmurfHere for his defense of you last night. Details will be disclosed shortly.

On March 29 2013 00:48 marvellosity wrote:


Correct/good analysis is super-fucking easy as mafia, sweetie.

On March 29 2013 00:55 marvellosity wrote:
See my last post.

It's not the fact that he is potentially correct with the analysis, nor is it about whether the analysis in question is good. You're misrepresenting/not getting what people are getting at with this.

Considering the post is about you, you should ask yourself why *you* like it, but so many other players seem to have a problem with it. That's my little thought exercise for you ^_^

On March 29 2013 01:04 Hapahauli wrote:


The argument myself and others are making is that yamatos defense of you is seemingly correct but not "good" due to how littl you had done at that point in the game.

On March 27 2013 09:09 strongandbig wrote:
Hey older peoples - (actually woah I'm pretty sure that other than Palmar, marv and I have been playing the longest of anyone here wtf. maybe acro? grack doesn't count cause he wasn't really playing this whole time)

but anyway older peoples like marv and acro - why is palmar talking so much on day 1? at first I was like wow palmar cares about this game guess he's town, but now i'm just sort of like wtf is going on. do you think he's just super town or what?

On March 29 2013 05:15 strongandbig wrote:


yeah i forgot you and sinani and nisani because you tend not to say many things.

well mostly that's true for them, idk why i forgot you. w/e

On March 29 2013 05:55 Hapahauli wrote:


How do you know I"ll be alive post-flip?

On March 29 2013 05:59 Hapahauli wrote:


Point is, we dont' know who's going to die tonight. I have 1 hour before the deadline, and I want to figure out what you're thinking now in case I get shot.

On March 29 2013 06:03 Hapahauli wrote:


Okay... so who are you suspicious of? You have literally no scum-reads to speak of.

On March 29 2013 06:05 Hapahauli wrote:
Also, why do you think SnB is town? This feels a lot like his mafia-game in Chrono Trigger, where he couldn't sustain his activity past early D1.

On March 29 2013 06:08 prplhz wrote:

I don't know about Chrono Trigger (I always avoid reading up on that game when it comes to meta because I don't understand the setup in the slightest) but I don't see him being less active in this game than in his other town games. On the other hand his posting has been a lot less meticulous than in his scum games and way more like his town game.

On March 29 2013 06:12 Hapahauli wrote:


Okay, defend ALL THE THINGS. That's cool and all, but who else would you suggest for a lynching? What reason could you possibly have to not disclose your reads right now?

On March 29 2013 06:17 Hapahauli wrote:


With the DT thing, you should almost never check your scumreads or people you think you can get lynched. You should be checking null reads.

Whaddya think of our buddy prplhz anyway?

On March 29 2013 06:39 cDgCorazon wrote:
Just in case my next game is a TvT, I'm going to post my thoughts going into D2.

Obviously, my main target is Yamato. He's basically shitting up the thread with baseless accusations and meta cases and isn't actually scum hunting.

Here's the definition of "Projection" from Wikipedia:
+ Show Spoiler +

Funny how that sums up Yamato's cases on me. I'll leave it at that.

I'm still a bit iffy on Marv, especially after the fact that he led the bandwagons on two townies (Kei and Nisani) and decided 2 hours before that Kei was scum. It's very interesting, but I can't see a town or scum motivation behind his actions. I'll keep an eye on him.

Last but not least is Palmar. Looking through his filter again, I found a lot of posts talking about town reads while he was tunneling Grack. He made a lot of town reads (at least 6-7), and did not give very much explanation on many of them. However, the other stumbling block with Palmar is Grack's kill. If Palmar was scum, why would he kill his tunnel and the person that his primary scumhunting was on? I could see him being town from that, but his other actions have me worried. His random flip-flopping between Nisani and Sinani was really sketch as well, and his D1 play just worries me.

On March 29 2013 07:23 strongandbig wrote:
at least 2

On March 29 2013 07:12 cDgCorazon wrote:
Well there is explanation for Palmar kill:

Scum afraid of him being good analyzer, kills his scumread to try and discredit him. It doesn't lead to him getting lynched, so they take him out.

Unless there is a town vig that didn't call their shot, can we assume it was a scum vig?

Alright Yamato, the clock is ticking.

##Vote: Yamato/Smurf

On March 29 2013 20:44 marvellosity wrote:
prplhz, explain your vote on me you pussy.

On March 29 2013 23:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
prp.

Look at SnB.

Is he scum or town NOW?

On March 30 2013 00:02 cDgCorazon wrote:
Prp are you going to actually do something this game or just nitpick my posts?

On March 30 2013 00:07 cDgCorazon wrote:


This is what I said on Palmar before. That's why I had made that post thinking about Palmar's kill.

Also in my filter (because you obviously aren't reading the thread):



Let me know when you are interested in actually trying.

On March 30 2013 00:19 Hapahauli wrote:
Prplhz. Why are you going after the claimed mason?

On March 30 2013 00:21 Hapahauli wrote:
Like do you doubt his claim? Do you think he's suspicious? Because his claim (combined with Kei's general townieness) makes this whole line of questioning worthless.

On March 30 2013 00:23 Hapahauli wrote:


Yah. And did you read anything from Kei since then?

On March 30 2013 01:19 Hapahauli wrote:
Wait did acro role claim?

On March 30 2013 05:54 Hapahauli wrote:


I'd be screaming it in the thread if I was convinced.

Definetely Yamato.

As far as the 2nd guy, I'd appreciate some self-determination rather than open sheeping. You know who my vote's on. I dont' know where it'll be by the end of the day though.

On March 30 2013 07:27 cDgCorazon wrote:


"I just made a really stupid post, I'll just draw attention away from it."

On March 30 2013 07:30 cDgCorazon wrote:


Nothing. The last thing he told me to do was stop getting Yamato mad yesterday.

On March 30 2013 07:42 cDgCorazon wrote:


We already did. Before yesterday.
We don't need to share every thought with each other.

Are you going to go anywhere with this?

On March 30 2013 07:50 cDgCorazon wrote:

You mean, this wasn't good enough?

On March 30 2013 07:52 marvellosity wrote:


He was town there though? What are you getting at?

On March 30 2013 08:01 marvellosity wrote:


Just explain, dear?

On March 30 2013 08:13 strongandbig wrote:
Sinani got autocorrected on my phine

On March 30 2013 08:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Has somebody been rude or something to sinani? And mislynching your friend is not really a good reason to stop playing don't you think?

On April 01 2013 06:21 Keirathi wrote:

So you're saying Smurf is a VT?

He didn't die.

Then why are you voting him?

On April 01 2013 06:24 Keirathi wrote:
Oh, vanilla as in no power. Not vanilla as in Vanilla Townie?

Does it make them a day vig, or can they only use it at night?

On April 01 2013 07:01 strongandbig wrote:
So this implies that mafia only have one factional KP. In that case, they most likely have a vig. This vig is most likely prplhz. Using prplhz's power as claimed makes little to no sense on palmar - he didn't give any indication that he was a VT. It makes a ton of sense for scum.

Alternate possibility: scum KP is 2 until one member dies, so when acro died their KP went down to 1.

Prplhz, why did you use your power for a non-confirmed only-sort-of check on scum instead of to give town a gun? Marv and I have both claimed that we are vanilla townies, did you ask kurumi what would happen if our role claims are correct and you target us?

On April 01 2013 07:04 marvellosity wrote:


I'm a vanilla townie but a one-shot roleblocker, much the same as s&b was with medic.

On April 01 2013 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Idk, a lot of prplhz's D2 posts include questioning people about scum KP and it seems like he is legitmately trying to catch scum with his questions. Might be a well planned claim from scum. If prplhz is town the targets make sense if some things just match. There is no reason for N2 to kill a blue role or target anyone other than Smurf basically.

prplhz were you trying to kill Palmar or give him a gun? Why exactly did you target Palmar N1?

On April 01 2013 07:37 strongandbig wrote:
Okay two things
First, prplhz if your role works as claimed then how were you "unsure" whether you killed palmar? After the flip you should have known that your power would've delivered a bullet to the head not a gun. At that point, I'm pretty sure the logical thing to say is not "maybe I killed him".
Second, I don't buy the explanation for choosing palmar. You're saying you chose someone who you had no read on, just to see what would happen? And that to do this you chose palmar? That makes much less sense to me than the alternative, scum explanation.
Third, if we hypothesize that marv's and my roles were phrased the way they are because of the interaction with prplhz's role, what seems more likely - that it was done to make a town prplhz more powerful or to make a scum prplhz less powerful?
Okay that was three things I guess.

On April 01 2013 07:50 strongandbig wrote:
Okay wait idea brain

If we assume that five scum in this setup is unlikely, then that means oats and prp are likely to not be scum together. So we can test both their role claims at the same time by having prp target oats. If prp is lying and oats is telling the truth, oats won't get the gun.get the gun. If oats is lying and prp is telling the truth, then oats will die. If both are telling the truth, then we have oats with a gun and we can tell him who to shoot with it.

On April 01 2013 08:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No it's not. This way we have no way of knowing if prplhz's claim is legit. Had he gunned sinani he could have proved his claim on N3 by regunning sinani -> kill him. Smurf hangs anyways today.

On April 01 2013 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
prplhz:

Could you answer this?

On April 01 2013 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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My condition is that i can only kill masons. This means me/Hapa/Acro/Grack and Keir/Cora. During night I can either check if someone is in a mason circle or shoot someone. If they are mason they die, if not, nothing happens.
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On April 02 2013 22:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Kk
I got notification of being shot at 9.12 TL time.

So therefore Kurumi just caused a whole lotta nonsense;. Thanks buddy <3

On April 02 2013 23:38 marvellosity wrote:


Telling the truth != town

On April 02 2013 23:44 Oatsmaster wrote:


It didnt inform me I was shot.

I got a notification saying someone visited me or whatever.

On April 02 2013 22:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Kk
I got notification of being shot at 9.12 TL time.

So therefore Kurumi just caused a whole lotta nonsense;. Thanks buddy <3

On April 03 2013 00:20 Oatsmaster wrote:


lol why?

On April 03 2013 00:50 Oatsmaster wrote:


Yeah yeah bleh whatever, im emotional KILL ME.
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On April 03 2013 03:26 Oatsmaster wrote:


Look at the way he contested your claim/my claim that I got shot thing.

Its so stupid only town could do it.

Also its a gutread thing.

Ive played with scum prp.

and town prp.

feels like town prp

On April 03 2013 10:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The thing if if you was town you should definitely be okay killing me.

On April 04 2013 22:17 Dandel Ion wrote:

They quite clearly claimed "VT with a oneshot power".

Read the thread.