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On March 28 2013 02:08 marvellosity wrote: *shrug*. You may be right, but I'm sceptical for now. I don't think Palmar supports an OO lynch either, so it's a no-go for today at least. After Palmar's thoughts about the vigi-shot i'm not as confident as before that he actually is town. | ||
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On March 28 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote: no, it isn't. Corazon and sinani aren't echoing town sentiment at all. Am i? I don't remember anyone calling me scum other than OO and Cora earlier. | ||
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On March 28 2013 02:56 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah those are lynchbait. I dont know, he apparently has 5 reads but doesnt explain any of them, and just a while earlier he said that he had nothing and was still deciding who to push. Now we just wait for OO come in. He basically has to vote for Palmar. :D | ||
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##Vote: Nisani Time is running out and Nisani is way more scummier than Smurf. After rereading Smurf's filter i see he is actually making sense and has clearly reasoned thoughts which he is not afraid to express. Nisani is wishy-washy about everything besides a couple of town-reads which are based on really odd things in the first place. So i'll vote for Nisani because nobody other than marv (again) is apparently even reading my case on OO. | ||
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When the Grack shot happened (and later when prplhz started town telling) there were two players who were totally thrown off their game. Palmar and Hapahauli. Palmar came in with a list of five people and was totally clueless what to do. Which would be okay since he had pushed Grack the whole early D1. If only there wasn't this post of his: No idea yet, I think it's the best option we have right now, aside from maybe one or two other openings I will explore later in the cycle. I think we still have more than a day to form our final wagon, so there's no need to rush it. He already had another couple of suspects. Where is the exploring? Right. And look what Hapa is doing... | ||
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On March 28 2013 05:36 Palmar wrote: I'm pushing it I'm not scum You mean what? | ||
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##vote Keirathi | ||
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##Vote: Nisani Keir, can you paraphrase what have you talked about in the mason circle? Just a short version. | ||
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Based on what he will flip we find a lot of new information. Like about OO who does a weird sinani -> nisani thing with no apparent reason. | ||
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On March 28 2013 06:58 marvellosity wrote: I'm glad Nisani has used his time to give us his thoughts on the game and his dying reads. My thought too. red flip inc. | ||
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On March 28 2013 11:37 Hapahauli wrote: @ Rayn You need to talk to me about your deadline actions a bit. About 1.5 hours before the deadline, you grace us with this rather wonky post: It might be the strangest thing I've read in the thread so far. Like... I think you're suspicious of myself and Palmar? Or are you just calling us "off our game"? It's very clear what your intentions are here. In addition, the whole idea of "oh I don't want to move my vote off of Nisani because two other players are acting strange" makes very little sense to me. I'd sympathise if your rationale was that you disagreed with our town-reads on Nisani, but you only dismiss them in passing and never address the logic. Yes, i thought at that time you and Palmar were scum and pushing a mislynch to save your scumbuddy Nisani. Here is why. You were on prplhz before sinani. When people let go of prplhz you straight off start yelling sinani is scum and Nisani is not. Before this i don't see you interacting with sinani in any way. At all. A part of your case was that sinani's case on Nisani was bad, yet when he posted the case you took no action to tell the case was bad. Palmar is more funny. He doesn't do shit after Grack was shot, calls the shot "100% scum shot" and throws out a list of five people with no intention to push any lynch in that list. Later on he switches to Keirathi with no intention to stand behind his sinani vote when Keir is pushed by his scumread marv. rofl. So yes, at that time i thought the lynch was scum driven. Now that Nisani flipped town i'm not sure about you anymore but Palmar is playing ridiculously scummy. This is where it starts to get scummy. You switch your vote to Kei without so much as a word here. While I understand that you wanted to consolidate, there are two things wrong here: 1) The deadline was not for another 1 hour and 15 minutes - you had plenty of time to push the Nisani lynch (whom you were reasonably confident in being scum), and instead chose a consolidation lynch in Kei. 2) You didn't really need to consolidate on Kei. In fact, the vote-count between Kei and Nisani at this point was quite even. It reads more like you decided to follow the momentum swing against kei for shits and giggles. I thought the deadline was in 15 minutes as the OP said so. That's why i switched my vote then. Also other players who had switched their vote were on Nisani, so i thought the Nisani lynch is not going to happen anyways. And i found marv's case on Keir reasonable. And again, i thought sinani lynch was pushed by scum. So then you unvote, but even then the circumstances here are strange. You unvote while asking Kei to corroborate his story about being in the Mason circle (by summarizing discussion). That makes very little objective sense, as generally people confirm their read BEFORE acting on something. I asked the question in the same post where i unvoted because of two things: 1) Whatever Keirathi answers he won't get lynched either way. I don't think anyone is dumb enough to scumslip there if they bullshitted about being masons. 2) I wanted to see if Keirathi actually: a) answers me in the first place when there is less pressure on him, or b) if he throws out some wishy-washy answer we can analyze later on if there is a reason to believe he/Cora are lying about being masons. The answer he gave doesn't tell us shit now (like any other answer) but might be useful later. And people tend to be less worried about what they say if they are not under pressure. Satisfied? | ||
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On March 28 2013 21:22 Palmar wrote: I'm almost always wrong on my initial day 1 read, which is why I always revise the read before lynchtime. As for rayn, I don't think he's town. I liked his initial contributions but I feel some of the things he said since have been pretty strange. I will elaborate later. Then again, I don't think he's our number 1 scum lynch for tomorrow. I still haven't decided where I want to take that. This is my main problem with you. Earlier (when you were pushing Grack) you said you had "a copule of other targets to explore". When Grack died you were totally clueless and just threw a list of five people and didn't push any of those for lynch (no, i don't think you voting for sinani counts as pushing). From what i remember about you from games i have read you are pretty fucking confident as town, especially on D1 (when you are town). This is nowhere near your normal town play. And your thoughts about the vigi shot are just.. meh.. | ||
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On March 28 2013 21:55 marvellosity wrote: I actually agree with this and it's the reason Palmar was in null at the end of the day and not leaning town as I'd originally had him. Palmar effectively abdicated responsibility for the Day 1 lynch and I don't like that. How does it make Palmar null and not scum? | ||
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On March 28 2013 22:03 marvellosity wrote: Because I'd been leaning town on him previously for a couple of reasons, namely that I perceived his posts/thoughts to be sincere. So what you described balanced out the plus and minus columns. Yeah, but as i said earlier. Look at Palmar's play before and after the vigi-shot. There is a quite a difference in his behaviour - most notably in his confidence (which is a town!Palmar sign (overconfidence)). To me it looks like he had a clear plan (as mafia) and Grack shot totally threw him off his game. I could understand if he had been solely tunneling Grack, but there is this post of his which indicates otherwise: On March 26 2013 23:04 Palmar wrote: No idea yet, I think it's the best option we have right now, aside from maybe one or two other openings I will explore later in the cycle. I think we still have more than a day to form our final wagon, so there's no need to rush it. I feel pretty confident Grack's responses have not helped me paint him green, and he's posted in a manner that yells scum at me. But I've also seen people simply mess up under some pressure. So yeah, for now I'm convinced he's our best lynch target. This is pretty easy thing to say as scum. At some point you just leave your tunnel target alone, pick some other scummy guy from the thread and start pushing him. What did you achieve? A lot of unnecessary discussion on someone who is town -> protects your scumbuddies from being under suspicion. Not only that, Grack was probably the easiest target to attack, which was proven right based on his responses to the suspicions. If Palmar was town, he would have one or two targets ready to start looking into, but everything he did was "throw out a list of people and see what happens". I suggest everyone to take a look at Palmar's filter and analyze his behaviour before and after the vigi-shot. And think about what it means. | ||
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