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On March 28 2013 04:14 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 04:13 marvellosity wrote:On March 28 2013 04:13 Hapahauli wrote:On March 28 2013 04:09 marvellosity wrote:On March 28 2013 04:06 Hapahauli wrote:On March 28 2013 04:01 marvellosity wrote:On March 28 2013 03:57 Hapahauli wrote:Now as for Nisani, I just have him and Sinani labeled as lurkers. I did a brief dive through their metas last night, and basically arrived at the conclusion that they are lurk-tastic regardless of alignment. Of the two, I thought Sinani had a higher chance of flipping red. He came in and bombed a case at a time when I was railing against prplhz. Often I see scum make plays like this - slam down a confident case against a non-suspicious party in order to look original and throw the town into chaos. Furthermore, when he entered, he also randomly attacked Yamato and soft-pushed the current suspicion of the thread (prplhz) without giving any clear opinions on him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403256¤tpage=41#814His filter reads a lot like clean scum-play, and his only real contribution is his case on Nisani, which reads a lot like a lynch-bait case. Also, I really didn't get scum-vibes from Nisani's filter. Yes it's short, and yes he doesn't justify his read on prplhz very much, but the way he pushed Acro early on (and how he came off Acro) seemed fairly genuine. Most of this makes no sense, but especially the bolded bit. His case didn't throw the town into chaos, and I can't even remotely see how it was ever going to throw the town into chaos. Given Acro had been pursuing Nisani already, I also don't see how it was against a "non-suspicious" party. What has Sinani done this game? His filter: 1) A really awkward exchange with me about OO not reading his role PM. 2) Prplhz suspicion he never follows up on: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403256¤tpage=25#4973) A neatly packaged case on Nisani: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403256¤tpage=41#8094) ...whilst concurrently making a snide comment against the person defending prplhz (and NOT commenting on his stance on prplhz) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403256¤tpage=41#814It reads a lot like your archtypical "clean" scum-play. I've discussed this read with you before, and I've used it successfully in many games. If you disagree, what am I missing here in your view? The fact that sinani is pushing someone I think is mafia. Nisani's early push on Acro was nonsense as elaborated on by Acro himself. Since when does bad case = mafia? Since when does it = town? It's fucking null.
Yeah, but you were using it to defend him.
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On March 28 2013 04:17 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 04:15 sinani206 wrote:On March 28 2013 04:14 Hapahauli wrote:On March 28 2013 04:13 marvellosity wrote:On March 28 2013 04:13 Hapahauli wrote:On March 28 2013 04:09 marvellosity wrote:On March 28 2013 04:06 Hapahauli wrote:On March 28 2013 04:01 marvellosity wrote:On March 28 2013 03:57 Hapahauli wrote:Now as for Nisani, I just have him and Sinani labeled as lurkers. I did a brief dive through their metas last night, and basically arrived at the conclusion that they are lurk-tastic regardless of alignment. Of the two, I thought Sinani had a higher chance of flipping red. He came in and bombed a case at a time when I was railing against prplhz. Often I see scum make plays like this - slam down a confident case against a non-suspicious party in order to look original and throw the town into chaos. Furthermore, when he entered, he also randomly attacked Yamato and soft-pushed the current suspicion of the thread (prplhz) without giving any clear opinions on him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403256¤tpage=41#814His filter reads a lot like clean scum-play, and his only real contribution is his case on Nisani, which reads a lot like a lynch-bait case. Also, I really didn't get scum-vibes from Nisani's filter. Yes it's short, and yes he doesn't justify his read on prplhz very much, but the way he pushed Acro early on (and how he came off Acro) seemed fairly genuine. Most of this makes no sense, but especially the bolded bit. His case didn't throw the town into chaos, and I can't even remotely see how it was ever going to throw the town into chaos. Given Acro had been pursuing Nisani already, I also don't see how it was against a "non-suspicious" party. What has Sinani done this game? His filter: 1) A really awkward exchange with me about OO not reading his role PM. 2) Prplhz suspicion he never follows up on: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403256¤tpage=25#4973) A neatly packaged case on Nisani: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403256¤tpage=41#8094) ...whilst concurrently making a snide comment against the person defending prplhz (and NOT commenting on his stance on prplhz) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403256¤tpage=41#814It reads a lot like your archtypical "clean" scum-play. I've discussed this read with you before, and I've used it successfully in many games. If you disagree, what am I missing here in your view? The fact that sinani is pushing someone I think is mafia. Nisani's early push on Acro was nonsense as elaborated on by Acro himself. Since when does bad case = mafia? Since when does it = town? It's fucking null. Yeah, but you were using it to defend him. Yes. What's your point? I'm saying a major reason he's getting pushed is non-alignment indicative. Sounds pretty valid to me.
Well that case on Acro was never one of my reasons to go after Nisani anyway. Either way, there's a ton more stuff that you haven't really addressed specifically.
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On March 28 2013 05:05 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 05:02 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 28 2013 04:58 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 28 2013 04:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Marv and Oats:
Right now, adding in the Kei case is anti-consolidation. Because a lack of consolidation would mean a no-lynch, anti-consolidation would mean anti-town.
Why are you guys trying to add in another case to steal potential votes away from Nisani? To save your scumbuddy by forcing a no-lynch, yet at the same time looking like you are scum hunting?
It's not very hard to see through your ruse, Marv.
My town read on you = gone. Why the fuck does marv pushing another player from you mean that he is scum?? You seem 100% sure that Nisani is scum. Why are you so sure? I'm not 100% sure Nisani is scum, but I'm more sure about him than I am with Yamato. There's no use making a hipster vote because we need to lynch someone today. A no-lynch would only leave us with more questions and give the scum a huge victory for D1. It's not because he is pushing a different players, it's because he is pushing a new read so close to the deadline. It reeks of trying to save Nisani from being lynched. @Hapa: I think you are putting way too much faith in Nisani's meta. I went and read his vote on Acro and there's not much beside him quoting one scummy sentence and saying that Acro doesn't have much else in his filter so he must be scum. His vote on prp is absolutely silly, and he has refused to give a reason. Just like you shouldn't build cases solely on metas, you shouldn't build defenses solely on metas. Fuck me I need to do a podcast on meta. All y'alls have no idea what you're doing when it comes to it. Meta is fantastic for highlight broad/general differences in mentality. In Nisani's case, he has very two different mindsets between his scum and town games wiht a HUGE sample-size to back it up. While he's a lurker in all his games, his town games are markedly more productive. He pushes cases, and tries to scumhunt, and all his posts are towards an objective purpose. When he's scum, he's "chatty," "trolly," and barely contributes. And this is consistent over MANY MANY of his games. 4 scumgames, and many more town games.
Nisani plays very similarly as scum and town, and according to you, I know him well. This knowledge of him allows me to determine whether he is scum or town more efficiently than others (hint: you) who seem to be extremely confused
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On March 28 2013 05:12 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 05:11 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 28 2013 05:10 marvellosity wrote:
How can you say this is a powerplay to save Nisani, when I've been one of the primary pushers of Nisani today? For example, prplhz is voting Nisani pretty specifically because what I said about Nisani. What you say makes no sense, Cora. Then why are bringing up Kei now and not sticking with Nisani? Because I think Kei is a better lynch, dopeydrawers 
It's not a better lynch if he's not getting lynched. Not enough people are going to switch. Stay on Nisani.
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On March 28 2013 05:13 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 05:11 sinani206 wrote:On March 28 2013 05:05 Hapahauli wrote:On March 28 2013 05:02 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 28 2013 04:58 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 28 2013 04:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Marv and Oats:
Right now, adding in the Kei case is anti-consolidation. Because a lack of consolidation would mean a no-lynch, anti-consolidation would mean anti-town.
Why are you guys trying to add in another case to steal potential votes away from Nisani? To save your scumbuddy by forcing a no-lynch, yet at the same time looking like you are scum hunting?
It's not very hard to see through your ruse, Marv.
My town read on you = gone. Why the fuck does marv pushing another player from you mean that he is scum?? You seem 100% sure that Nisani is scum. Why are you so sure? I'm not 100% sure Nisani is scum, but I'm more sure about him than I am with Yamato. There's no use making a hipster vote because we need to lynch someone today. A no-lynch would only leave us with more questions and give the scum a huge victory for D1. It's not because he is pushing a different players, it's because he is pushing a new read so close to the deadline. It reeks of trying to save Nisani from being lynched. @Hapa: I think you are putting way too much faith in Nisani's meta. I went and read his vote on Acro and there's not much beside him quoting one scummy sentence and saying that Acro doesn't have much else in his filter so he must be scum. His vote on prp is absolutely silly, and he has refused to give a reason. Just like you shouldn't build cases solely on metas, you shouldn't build defenses solely on metas. Fuck me I need to do a podcast on meta. All y'alls have no idea what you're doing when it comes to it. Meta is fantastic for highlight broad/general differences in mentality. In Nisani's case, he has very two different mindsets between his scum and town games wiht a HUGE sample-size to back it up. While he's a lurker in all his games, his town games are markedly more productive. He pushes cases, and tries to scumhunt, and all his posts are towards an objective purpose. When he's scum, he's "chatty," "trolly," and barely contributes. And this is consistent over MANY MANY of his games. 4 scumgames, and many more town games. Nisani plays very similarly as scum and town, and according to you, I know him well. This knowledge of him allows me to determine whether he is scum or town more efficiently than others (hint: you) who seem to be extremely confused Could you tell me what distinguishes his scum and townplay then? What are you seeing here that you see in his usual mafia play but not his town play?
As town, Nisani generally uses very logical analysis to determine who is scum and will stay confident on said player. As scum, Nisani is unsure and just tries to win favor of the town without being too aggressive, which is what he has done in this game.
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On March 28 2013 05:18 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 05:16 sinani206 wrote:On March 28 2013 05:13 marvellosity wrote:On March 28 2013 05:11 sinani206 wrote:On March 28 2013 05:05 Hapahauli wrote:On March 28 2013 05:02 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 28 2013 04:58 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 28 2013 04:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Marv and Oats:
Right now, adding in the Kei case is anti-consolidation. Because a lack of consolidation would mean a no-lynch, anti-consolidation would mean anti-town.
Why are you guys trying to add in another case to steal potential votes away from Nisani? To save your scumbuddy by forcing a no-lynch, yet at the same time looking like you are scum hunting?
It's not very hard to see through your ruse, Marv.
My town read on you = gone. Why the fuck does marv pushing another player from you mean that he is scum?? You seem 100% sure that Nisani is scum. Why are you so sure? I'm not 100% sure Nisani is scum, but I'm more sure about him than I am with Yamato. There's no use making a hipster vote because we need to lynch someone today. A no-lynch would only leave us with more questions and give the scum a huge victory for D1. It's not because he is pushing a different players, it's because he is pushing a new read so close to the deadline. It reeks of trying to save Nisani from being lynched. @Hapa: I think you are putting way too much faith in Nisani's meta. I went and read his vote on Acro and there's not much beside him quoting one scummy sentence and saying that Acro doesn't have much else in his filter so he must be scum. His vote on prp is absolutely silly, and he has refused to give a reason. Just like you shouldn't build cases solely on metas, you shouldn't build defenses solely on metas. Fuck me I need to do a podcast on meta. All y'alls have no idea what you're doing when it comes to it. Meta is fantastic for highlight broad/general differences in mentality. In Nisani's case, he has very two different mindsets between his scum and town games wiht a HUGE sample-size to back it up. While he's a lurker in all his games, his town games are markedly more productive. He pushes cases, and tries to scumhunt, and all his posts are towards an objective purpose. When he's scum, he's "chatty," "trolly," and barely contributes. And this is consistent over MANY MANY of his games. 4 scumgames, and many more town games. Nisani plays very similarly as scum and town, and according to you, I know him well. This knowledge of him allows me to determine whether he is scum or town more efficiently than others (hint: you) who seem to be extremely confused Could you tell me what distinguishes his scum and townplay then? What are you seeing here that you see in his usual mafia play but not his town play? As town, Nisani generally uses very logical analysis to determine who is scum and will stay confident on said player. As scum, Nisani is unsure and just tries to win favor of the town without being too aggressive, which is what he has done in this game. ok you're scum
ok why
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On March 28 2013 05:20 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 05:19 sinani206 wrote:On March 28 2013 05:18 Nisani201 wrote:On March 28 2013 05:16 sinani206 wrote:On March 28 2013 05:13 marvellosity wrote:On March 28 2013 05:11 sinani206 wrote:On March 28 2013 05:05 Hapahauli wrote:On March 28 2013 05:02 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 28 2013 04:58 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 28 2013 04:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Marv and Oats:
Right now, adding in the Kei case is anti-consolidation. Because a lack of consolidation would mean a no-lynch, anti-consolidation would mean anti-town.
Why are you guys trying to add in another case to steal potential votes away from Nisani? To save your scumbuddy by forcing a no-lynch, yet at the same time looking like you are scum hunting?
It's not very hard to see through your ruse, Marv.
My town read on you = gone. Why the fuck does marv pushing another player from you mean that he is scum?? You seem 100% sure that Nisani is scum. Why are you so sure? I'm not 100% sure Nisani is scum, but I'm more sure about him than I am with Yamato. There's no use making a hipster vote because we need to lynch someone today. A no-lynch would only leave us with more questions and give the scum a huge victory for D1. It's not because he is pushing a different players, it's because he is pushing a new read so close to the deadline. It reeks of trying to save Nisani from being lynched. @Hapa: I think you are putting way too much faith in Nisani's meta. I went and read his vote on Acro and there's not much beside him quoting one scummy sentence and saying that Acro doesn't have much else in his filter so he must be scum. His vote on prp is absolutely silly, and he has refused to give a reason. Just like you shouldn't build cases solely on metas, you shouldn't build defenses solely on metas. Fuck me I need to do a podcast on meta. All y'alls have no idea what you're doing when it comes to it. Meta is fantastic for highlight broad/general differences in mentality. In Nisani's case, he has very two different mindsets between his scum and town games wiht a HUGE sample-size to back it up. While he's a lurker in all his games, his town games are markedly more productive. He pushes cases, and tries to scumhunt, and all his posts are towards an objective purpose. When he's scum, he's "chatty," "trolly," and barely contributes. And this is consistent over MANY MANY of his games. 4 scumgames, and many more town games. Nisani plays very similarly as scum and town, and according to you, I know him well. This knowledge of him allows me to determine whether he is scum or town more efficiently than others (hint: you) who seem to be extremely confused Could you tell me what distinguishes his scum and townplay then? What are you seeing here that you see in his usual mafia play but not his town play? As town, Nisani generally uses very logical analysis to determine who is scum and will stay confident on said player. As scum, Nisani is unsure and just tries to win favor of the town without being too aggressive, which is what he has done in this game. ok you're scum ok why Because your extreme overgeneralization of my playstyle is total horseshit.
And that makes me mafia?
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Your OMGUS on me seems forced.
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I don't understand why everyone wants to switch off Nisani just because Hapa was spamming a shitty defense.
He is SCUM.
Look at his recent posts. More proof.
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k. Still changes nothing for me. Nisani is scum.
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OO ninja vote with 40 minutes left in the day ok.
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On March 28 2013 06:21 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Sinani
Do you have any ohter reads/opinions beside Nisani?
I have townreads but I'm not posting them in thread because posting townreads is dumb. (unless they're gonna get lynched of course)
Still think prpl is suspicious.
But yeah that's about it.
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On March 28 2013 06:55 Keirathi wrote:
Can we kill S&B tomorrow?
I'd be open to this... He seems to be staying under the radar very well. I'll look at it more in-depth tonight.
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He's gonna flip red, not even a question anymore.
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well apparently my gut is rusty...
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Hapa, please stop encouraging people to post vital information at night time. We have 48 hours to discuss the next lynch.
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He's asking people to claim and post all their reads at night. Who does that help?
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EPT
