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On March 16 2013 03:26 marvellosity wrote: leave it till tomorrow for late weekend signups? So will you /in if you die in Personality or Hydra tonight? | ||
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On March 16 2013 03:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Marvellosity is going to be obsing/analysing the game I'm trying to get Ace in but he's not available for a couple of days I think so I put him in as a replacement. I Pm'd qatol/incog/bumatlarge/radfield/rol/syllogism Dayum. This game mad legit. +1 hosting points to you DrH OK marv you're off the hook. But still, try your best to die tonight in Hydra so Keir can join. | ||
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5-6 scum, ~5 blues? I've never played a game this big before. | ||
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On March 16 2013 16:11 geript wrote: Sciberbia, can you give me a number between 568 and 1193? 570 | ||
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On March 16 2013 16:22 Wade Fell wrote: geript is there a particular reason you haven't voted for zarepath since you already rnged him? it seems to me that if you realy wanted to rng your lynch, you'd use the lynch you've already rnged. Why the cold feet? On March 16 2013 16:24 geript wrote: Didn't Layabout say that I couldn't use that rng though? Now I have to use my more complex one. The first possibly important thing I noticed in the thread. The phrasing of the first sentence as a question instead of a statement seems a bit odd to me. It's like he's saying "Would you find this explanation acceptable?" rather than "This is the explanation." Seems unnecessarily passive and ingratiating. On March 16 2013 16:48 geript wrote: Well if that's how this game is going to start, then I think I'd rather just go to bed as well. This rubs me a bit the wrong way. Seems like a crummy reason to go to bed. People accuse you of being mafia so you go to bed? What? Also, seems like he's almost providing an 'excuse' to leave the thread. Overall, leaning scum on geript. I don't think it is especially likely that zarepath and geript are both scum. If zarepath and geript actually were scumbuddies, I think there is an excellent chance that geript would have either gone through with the RNG vote (with the knowledge that it is very unlikely to lead to a lynch and with the devious hope that town would later get confused by WIFOM), or just drop the RNG thing all-together. | ||
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Nah I have other things on my mind atm. Since you seem to be willing to talk about things relevant to the game, what do you make of this quote: On March 16 2013 16:24 Wade Fell wrote: Is this your first mafia game or are you really a smurf of someone i know trying to pull this garbage This stuck out to me. Seems like a bit of a pointless question. Also, I think it was pretty clear from Peashooter's first post that he has played mafia before, and probably on this forum. Not sure that there's anything to read into this though. I think you have some prior experience with this Wade Fell character so I'm interested in your opinion of him thus far. He was surprisingly quick to make some bold posts and draw attention to himself. Do you make anything of it? | ||
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On March 16 2013 17:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Honestly it just looks like BH using too many words to say "I don't like this" as he's wont to do. Frankly I didn't like it either, and I look forward to hearing what Peashooter has to say about that post. Do you think that knowing what the names of the roles MIGHT mean is going to help us find scum? So you think BH is more likely to be town for his aggression towards Peashooter? | ||
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On March 16 2013 17:54 VisceraEyes wrote: The way you phrased this is odd...as if you're trying to get me to say that I'll think people are town if they're aggressive toward Peashooter specifically. Anyway, he hasn't really given any reasoning other than "this is garbage" so I'm not taking it as any kind of tell right now. He hasn't even said that he thinks Peashooter is scum O.O I meant it as 'is this early aggression towards Peashooter something you would expect from a town BH as opposed to a mafia BH?'. To which I suppose the answer is no because you seem completely null on him. But for the record he has made it pretty clear that he thinks Peashooter is scum. Personally, I have no problem with Peashooter. Although unproductive, It's obviously tempting to speculate about such a mysterious setup. And I don't fault people for lack of scumhunting in their first couple posts. The game just started and not everyone is super-tryhard. So I don't find that post scummy just as I don't find talk about tarot cards or your SAST thing scummy. | ||
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On March 16 2013 18:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Interesting. Out of everyone who has posted, you are by far the most verbose. I expect you will be equally verbose when describing things you DO find scummy. ok? Your expectation has been noted. | ||
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On March 17 2013 07:15 DoYouHas wrote: Scib caught my eye with his first post against geript + Show Spoiler + On March 16 2013 17:23 sciberbia wrote: I've got some stuff to say about geript The first possibly important thing I noticed in the thread. The phrasing of the first sentence as a question instead of a statement seems a bit odd to me. It's like he's saying "Would you find this explanation acceptable?" rather than "This is the explanation." Seems unnecessarily passive and ingratiating. This rubs me a bit the wrong way. Seems like a crummy reason to go to bed. People accuse you of being mafia so you go to bed? What? Also, seems like he's almost providing an 'excuse' to leave the thread. Overall, leaning scum on geript. I don't think it is especially likely that zarepath and geript are both scum. If zarepath and geript actually were scumbuddies, I think there is an excellent chance that geript would have either gone through with the RNG vote (with the knowledge that it is very unlikely to lead to a lynch and with the devious hope that town would later get confused by WIFOM), or just drop the RNG thing all-together. I don't really have a conclusion to this, Scib's other posts don't raise red flags for me and what I have is not enough to turn him scum. I just want to hear more from Scib. I think it's foolish to start pushing a lynch 2 hours into day 1. Chances are someone more scummy comes along. Reads that I make early in D1 are more for the purpose of generating discussion than pushing lynches. For example my post on shiaopi/prphlhz/forumite in dwarf mini or my post about marv in I can't believe. Anyway, now is the time when I need to figure out who I want to lynch. I like the wagon on goodkarma a lot. I'm still leaning scum on geript. Also I agree with some of the things said about Greymist and zarepath. Looking more into these filters now. | ||
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I think SAST is a bad idea because it is a waste of time to be discussing the SAST. Such as right now. You and I are discussing the SAST when instead we could be discussing who is scum. If anyone actually went through with it, pages and pages of filter would inevitably be devoted to debating stupid SAST stuff. I agree with what Wiggles said about TPS. I don't have any strong feelings about TPS's alignment one way or the other. You could just as easily argue that Hyaach is declining to take part in town discussions by not posting at all. But I don't think we should lynch Hyaach. Anyway, I wrote up some thoughts on zarepath and GK. I think both are better lynches than TPS. I'm gonna post them now. DYH I'm interested in your thoughts on zarepath. | ||
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Here is zarepath's first post: + Show Spoiler + On March 16 2013 22:05 zarepath wrote: In the last game I played, literally every single person who claimed town in their opening post was scum. VE did say in the analysis that he always claims town no matter what, though. But seriously, what is the town motivation for claiming town so early? There's more scum motivation than town motivation. Yeah, I reject this notion for obvious reasons, but also for the fact that this is already an association case, isn't it? Granted, I suppose if you assume that there are scum motivations for him switching his RNG, the most obvious reason would be because his original RNG was going to hit scum. But wasn't he told he couldn't use that anyway and have it count as a real RNG? And again, you're already operating on the assumption the switch was scum-motivated. VE's super awesome team sounds dumb. I can't see how any self-respecting scum hunter would agree to unite their votes with 4 other active people no matter what. And honestly, don't the self-respecting scum hunters kind of unite with each other as they prove themselves to each other anyway? I am much more in favor of a "lead scumhunting team" coming about organically from the good scum-hunters recognizing each other as being good than VE deciding who is good and then telling them how to vote. Also, I find all role and setup speculation stupid at this point; even regarding the fact that the OP suggests the possibility of victory conditions changing throughout the game, I don't see how town is better served in finding scum through role speculation without any information with which to base it on, and I don't see why town would want to do anything other than promote a pro-town atmosphere and find scum on the first day regardless of the setup. /offtopic: flavor is awesome  I think this analysis by Hopeless1der is quite accurate: On March 16 2013 23:38 Hopeless1der wrote: Overall, I read through this post and zarepath keeps playing devil's advocate with himself and answering his own questions. There is no mindset of wanting to solve the game to me. I think he's scum. It seems to me that zarepath is trying to say the "right" things but there isn't a lot of heart in it. - claiming town accomplishes nothing - association cases are bad on D1 - sheeping people is dumb - good scumhunters should work together - setup speculation is dumb He rattles off a bunch of generic pro-town advice, but I don't get the feeling that he is actually trying to help town. As Hopeless1der says, there is no drive. On March 16 2013 22:13 zarepath wrote: EBWOP: As an addendum to my final paragraph, that is why I find Peashooter's opening content to be pretty scummy. Honestly, any player could have gone through and guessed at roles based on the titles (and probably did; I did as I skimmed them), but I think it's hardly worth talking about right now. I echo Wave Fell's sentiments here about Peashooter's likely scumminess. This quote also bothers me. In this quote, he makes it seem like Peashooter is his major suspect. Seems to me that zarepath should be strongly considering a Peashooter lynch. But the rest of his filter seems very inconsistent with this original stance on Peashooter. Zarepath originally lumped Peashooter in with VE, Coag, and myself, all of whom he gave pretty weak reasons (IMO) for "keeping an eye on". Peashooter has made more posts and been discussed at length in the thread subsequent to Zarepath's original comments. Wade Fell recently tried to start a wagon on Peashooter. Zarepath did not hop on the wagon. He has not even commented on it. He just picked some holes in cosmicomics' relatively unimportant and unpopular case on DP. Zarepath has not commented on the potential GK or Peashooter wagons despite being in the thread. In summary, my reasons for thinking Zarepath is mafia are: - he uses a silly heuristic (claimed town) to add two people to his watch-list - he seems to be reaching for things to say in his first post and his heart doesn't seem in it - his original stance on Peashooter is distintcly inconsistent with his later actions (or lack thereof) - he is choosing to comment on the DP case when there are much more important wagons (peashooter and GK) - the fact that he's been in the thread a long time and hasn't started promoting any lynch Based on the evidence so far, I think Zarepath would be a good lynch, but there are a few other filters I still want to look into. | ||
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I will admit that zarepath has thrown out more accusations than I would expect from scum on D1. Still, there a few things in his filter that point to him being scum. mmm. I guess I will look more into GK's meta and wait for his next post before deciding where I stand on him. Damn you BH. You're making me doubt my reads. I need to read/think more. | ||
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can you tell me how likely you think TPS is to be scum? You originally said you thought he was "pretty scummy" and was "likely scumminess" or something like that. Now you say you're not convinced of it entirely? Does that mean you still think he's pretty likely to be scum but are still looking for somewhere better to put your vote? Basically just give me your thoughts on TPS. | ||
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GreyMist I could pretty easily see GreyMist being scum. I agree with what sandroba and somebody else said about his first post. Then he lurked for a while. Upon emerging from lurking, he jumped on a post of GK accusing him of lurking saying "I've been waiting for this!". Then he repeatedly piled on GK. I see scum motivation here where greymist justifies his lurking and pushes a mislynch. Two birds with one stone. Also, I don't think his arguments about GK are particularly good. I wouldn't feel too bad about a greymist lynch today. Peashooter I don't want to lynch him. Pretty good chance he's town. He drew attention to himself with the Coag thing, continued to push Coag, picked a fight with DH, and has shown willingness to interact with the thread. Seems more likely town than not. Not sure if he is even a lynch candidate anymore. Coagulation I don't vote people unless I think they are scum and I really don't have a clue. if I had to hazard a guess I would say town. TestSubject The main accusation seems to be that he chose to talk about stuff other than who he thinks is scum. I don't know TestSubject but he seems relatively new so it's a bit unreasonable to demand original scumreads after just one read-through. Also, his willingness to interact with the thead and some of the stuff he says about GK gives me a townie feel. Not interested in lynching TestSubject. zarepath I'm pretty interested in lynching this guy. I stated some supsicions before and his behavior since then further suggests he is scum. Here are the quotes: + Show Spoiler + On March 17 2013 12:33 zarepath wrote: I haven't hopped on the GK or TPS bandwagons because I'm not convinced of them entirely. I've never played in a game this large and there are a LOT of people who have posted almost literally nothing, and several people whose small contributions have been less substantial than either of these two players (DarthPunk, Trancestorm, sandroba, Coagulation). I hear what people are saying about them, but I hadn't taken into account the point that TPS is obviously a proxy, and that muddles the waters a bit. It's not like there's an enormous wagon on GK right now -- half the thread has hardly posted and there's what, two or three people talking about him? I can see why; it's not like it's bad to talk about him, but I just don't have anything to add. I also thought it was quite scummy for him to basically give his Pro Town resume of all the wonderfully pro town things he's done (which under scrutiny he hasn't done), and I can understand that looking pretty bad. But I know what it's like to think you have a solid pro-town filter as town and apparently it wasn't as solid and obvious as you assumed. But he's also promised he has a case coming, and I can understand the desire to wait until you feel confident about a case to really push it. I'm inclined to see what he comes up with and re-evaluate my read from there. On March 17 2013 12:34 zarepath wrote: EBWOP: Sundays are my busiest days and I am not likely to be around as much as some of you may like tomorrow. I will check up on the thread and read through it when I can and such and certainly have a vote in, but I won't be making it into the SAST tomorrow, that's for sure. Just an FYI for you all. I don't like the first post at all. He says he hasn't commented on the GK or TPS bandwaggons because he isn't "entirely convinced". Again, he makes it seem like he is very suspicious of people but doesn't commit. He says that the fact that TPS is a proxy "muddles the waters a bit" but does not explain at all how it affects his read of TPS. Seems like a way to just avoid having to give a read on TPS. Furthermore, he describes GK's behavior as "quite scummy" but then sympathizes with the same behavior that he just called "quite scummy." More of the same non-commital and devil's advocate. Next, he says he is busy on Sundays and disappears when I ask him to clarify his read on TPS. goodkarma Here are some of the more important reasons that I found goodkarma suspicious: - he felt the need to comment on VE's SAST post but didn't come to any conclusion about VE from it - his first few posts reek of 'i am goint to say non-controversial things so please don't pay any attention to me' - his playing mr. nice guy with coag However, after reading through some of his previous games, I think there's a pretty decent chance he's townie this game. He loves to talk about policy in general so I can see him going out of his way to talk policy about VE. Also, his posts since his accusation of Greymist have just been giving me a townier feel. He is willing to talk with people in the thread and isn't just vanishing like scum are prone to do when under pressure. Blech I dunno about this guy. Right now my gut feeling is town. cosmicomics I don't know if he's really a lynch candidate but his filter is pretty alarming. It consists of a pretty much 100% sheep off of layabout onto DP and pretty much nothing else. Also I think he is a smurf which makes this an even bigger cause for concern. I feel best about a zarepath lynch. I'm voting him now. Going to bed pretty soon but will be online for at least a little while longer if anyone wants to discuss something with me. ##Vote: zarepath | ||
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zarepath is still an option and I still think there is a good chance he is scum. Several other people also think this so zarepath is a legitimate lynch candidate for today. Please thoroughly read what I, geript, DYH, hopeless1der have said about him if you haven't already. I will probably look through his meta referenced by geript. GreyMist is a lynch I think I could get behind. I agree with what somebody (ryu?) said about GreyMist not 'setting a trap' which is what I was getting at in my earlier post about him. sandroba seems like a terrible lynch. He is like the definition of 'keep this player around and try to get a read D2'. He stopped into the thread, made some reasonable but short posts, and then lurked. From what I've heard he lurks as both mafia and town. On top of that, he has a mod-confirmed somewhat legitimate reason for being afk and is getting replaced. We have every reason to expect to be able to get a read from his replacement. I don't think sandroba should be a lynch candidate. vivax clearly did not "slip" as explained by a few others already. I don't think Vivax's guess at TPS's identity says anything about his alignment. I haven't looked too much into vivax besides this. DYH is one of my stronger townreads. He has made several good analytical points, he has been willing to do meta research on GK, and he supported the SAST in the face of several people who said it was dumb. He also showed that he cares about town by 'trying not to split focus' which is definitely a problem right now. I don't see the case against him. DP I was leaning town on after his original bout of posting because he was willing to draw attention to himself early in the game. He seems like a lynch candidate now so I'll look over the case against him. GK seems to still be on the table. My thoughts on him haven't changed. cosmicomics is definitely concerning but he's hardcore lurking right now. I'm not too keen on lynching a hardcore lurker today. | ||
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