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RyuSuzaku
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On March 28 2013 16:03 DarthPunk wrote: I know he is confirmed town. Stop taking one thing. Deliberately misinterpreting it and then try to discredit everythign I say because of that. It is fallacious and plain wrong. so how can confirmed town be lynchbait? You're pretty shitty at scum. | ||
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RyuSuzaku
Japan139 Posts
On March 28 2013 16:04 DarthPunk wrote: The rest are lynchbait. He is town. I lumped him in the same group. Get out. All I'm seeing is "I didn't read the thread and scumslipped. Oh fuck what do I do?!" | ||
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RyuSuzaku
Japan139 Posts
On March 28 2013 16:08 DarthPunk wrote: It's not a scumslip. You are trying to discredit everything I say because you are scum. That is fine. That is your job as scum. It is so fucking transparent that you are scum. You are just shitting on everything I say and not being constructive. I hope town can see through your BS but I doubt they can. I will not engage with you further. Because, unlike you, my win condition is not progressed by crapping all over anything constructive. SAYS THE GUY CRAPPING ON A LEGITIMATE POINT THAT SCREAMS DP IS SCUM. jesus, I am so mad right now. It's incredibly frustrating that this town is too inactive or just plain dumb to do anything, since nothing says "I am scum" more than someone basically admitting they did not read the thread. | ||
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RyuSuzaku
Japan139 Posts
Zarepath's post calling out me and Kita is afaik the first time he has mentioned either of us all game; quite convenient for him given that he has done absolutely nothing himself. I'm on my phone on lunch break but I should be back in a few hours to post properly. | ||
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RyuSuzaku
Japan139 Posts
So the last scum are in these players IMO: TPS glurio geript Zarepath Given layabout's early posting, and the way both WoS and Kita post, I'm not convinced they are scum. They've all been relatively decent town reads for me. Your effort now redeems you a bit but given that it's only coming out when scum most probably will just win with a mislynch, I am not convinced you are town. | ||
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RyuSuzaku
Japan139 Posts
DYH could be scum too, in fact I think it's very likely actually. He hasn't done anything in a cycle or two. | ||
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RyuSuzaku
Japan139 Posts
On March 29 2013 07:38 zarepath wrote: So you think WoS isn't scum, but that the only fruit of his being a DT, a town read on TPS, is scum? In fact, at the top of your list? Can you explain that please, because that's a big token of evidence on his side. Also, geript really got into it with BH; geript was one of the first (if not the first) people to call BH scum. Why do you think a scummy geript would do that? I could be wrong about one or more players; e.g. WoS and TPS could be scum together, or TPS might not be scum, or WoS could have checked a framed target/godfather. However, simply based on how they post and what they've done, I think WoS is townier than TPS. My list is not made in any particular order, especially as most of the scum seem to be lurking. | ||
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RyuSuzaku
Japan139 Posts
I would expect him as town to at least try to be part of discussion (though I would expect that from any townie, tbh). Our best bet would probably be to lynch into someone like glurio or Kenpachi though, as I think they are almost certain to be scum. | ||
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RyuSuzaku
Japan139 Posts
On March 29 2013 09:13 WaveofShadow wrote: It'll be a little bit before I can respond in detail but thank you for looking at the post Geript. There are still way too many people that have yet to show their faces during a LYLO day and that on its own is pretty much the scummiest thing you could ask for. What better way to ensure town loses than to not show up? Later on this evening I'll be back to give Zare what he wants and talk a little. I agree with this completely. kenpachi, DYH, kita etc. all look much worse for not being around. | ||
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RyuSuzaku
Japan139 Posts
On March 29 2013 13:45 ThePeashooter wrote: So Ryu, what are your thoughts on Kita? I think he's town in a very similar situation to me. I think based on the DP kill that scum wanted to push an easy mislynch on me or kita. The push on me makes both layabout and zarepath look worse in particular, but it's unlikely layabout is scum solely for this (it's the only reason I can find for calling him scum) However I do think that scum are very likely to be in the lurkers as well; glurio, kenpachi, and DYH can all be mafia. Right now I'd be down to lynch zarepath or DYH/kenpachi. | ||
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RyuSuzaku
Japan139 Posts
##vote zarepath | ||
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RyuSuzaku
Japan139 Posts
DYH still not showing up means he's almost certainly scum. I'm with WoS on this. His case is also very good, particularly the part about DYH "narrowing" the list of suspects. It's clear that DYH was trying to set up lynches by the look of his posts. It's also pretty scary that no one else is willing to lynch DYH. (or zarepath for that matter). ##unvote ##vote DoYouHas | ||
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RyuSuzaku
Japan139 Posts
Seems legit. | ||
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RyuSuzaku
Japan139 Posts
On March 30 2013 08:02 glurio wrote: DYH is a crap lynch, only people who will support you on that are scum like ryu, WoS. *slowclap* wonderful defense. | ||
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RyuSuzaku
Japan139 Posts
On March 30 2013 08:51 ThePeashooter wrote: We are running out of time and running low on activity. I didn't write up entire cases but here is what I have. kita, glurio, layabout, kenpachi scum team. Zarepath possible alternate for scum. ryu, wave of shadow, geript, DYS, me town Of the players listed blazinghand ignores and never references any of the 4 players listed in red. Zarepath gets soft defended by BH day 1 then shortly after that amidst a flurry of activity the votes get switched off Zare and end up on Greymist. Me and WoS are town determined by DT claim. Understandably some of you won't know our alignment as well as I do but I believe his claim made sense. DYS/Ryu both had specific posts I viewed not being very likely or possible to come from a mafia. They both also had not that scummy of post history. Glurio can't hold a thought and just keeps jumping around on to whatever seems good at the time. He said we need to lynch LayAbout then just immediately jumps ship and goes off on how we should lynch Kita upon never actually saying anything about Kita up until that point. Kenpachi I have elaborated on. Kita is not anywhere near as active as he should be and although his posts make sense for the most part I can't help but feel he can't be town because there is no reason he should be alive at this point. LayAbout would probably be my alternate for Zarepath. BH also never acknowledged LayAbout in any of his posts combined with LayAbout looking generally scummy. Today I'd probably be most comfortable with killing either Glurio or Kenpachi. I don't particularly care which. I disagree strongly on DYH. Maybe it's best to simply kill Kenpachi, since literally everyone thinks he's scum. Sorry I can't provide more than this atm, on my phone. | ||
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RyuSuzaku
Japan139 Posts
On March 30 2013 09:59 Kenpachi wrote: I have it out here: Ryu, DYH, geript all mafia so you think me and DYH are scum together, and I'm bussing him? This is all you have to say? loool | ||
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RyuSuzaku
Japan139 Posts
On March 30 2013 16:33 geript wrote: 2 KP until we get down to 2 scum when it becomes 1. Yah DP, I tried to get them onto the bus. They just wouldn't listen. why bus when you can just win? People always talk about bussing as if you have to do it, you don't. It's only needed if it has a purpose and draws town away from the bussers. Sometimes it's done just because, and the remaining members don't get any benefit from the bus and die anyway. In fact, that happens a lot more often than you think. Bussing confers only indirect advantages, at best, no direct ones. In fact, a wrong bus is a direct DISadvantage, inherently, because you lose a mafia member. BTW if BH had sent in the correct actions n1 (RB+shoot VE instead of RB+shoot keir) we would have won a cycle earlier, lol | ||
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RyuSuzaku
Japan139 Posts
On March 30 2013 16:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Where do you get two nights in a row? I barely mentioned Vivax at all and he was killed; it just so happened that my N2/N3 checks were both killed so even if I was roleblocked it wouldn't have mattered. I'm going through the scum QT now to try and get an idea of what was going on; it seems as though there were a lot of fuckups in general from both host and night action type stuff. there were only two, and the host thing was minorly frustrating but not that bad. I intended on trashing the thread with DP but that would've been more work on my part than what ended up happening when he died. I predicted that if I got into a fight with DP then neither of us would be touched by the lynch, as no one would listen to us, and then it would be easy to lynch whomever. BH on n1 accidentally sent in shoot + RB keirathi, shoot VE instead of shoot + RB VE, shoot keirathi as we had planned. That resulted in VE living. (I was against the VE shot entirely) After that I sent in all the actions. The fourth cycle (whenever cosmic got lynched) was the most interesting. We were in a really bad spot and kita did a PYP:I-esque maneuvre in lying to layabout about the recruit. It was a great move-we suspected that we might have to kill cosmic but were not sure how. By lying to layabout he ensured that we could plan a cosmic lynch and he also found out exactly what the third party's goals were (though we were not aware what would happen if he died-we went on the assumption that layabout would be left with no wincon, worst case basically) Overall I think our most impressive effort was killing cosmic day 4 so fluidly. Part of it comes down to how passively (IMO) cosmic played, but I think we did really well in coordinating that lynch. | ||
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RyuSuzaku
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On March 30 2013 16:49 WaveofShadow wrote: Pretty much everybody played passively this game though...not to belittle your efforts but it sure as hell seemed like an easy game from the scum QT POV. I don't think that's true. People didn't play passively all the time, it just became more passive as it went on as we killed/lynched threats and town became discouraged. IMO the game was too active days 1 and 2. We shot or lynched the townies with the potential to make sense immediately. On day 1, half the town sheeped my case on greymist. By the time day 2 was over I think the thread was at 120 some pages, that's just insane. Even just reading that will take you hours, without even speaking of analysing posts or even trying to meta analyse. A lot of it comes down to people just posting for the sake of posting, splitting their attention too much, and not doing enough to read before posting. Sure, lurking is bad, and you shouldn't necessarily lurk, but consolidate your posts so that town is not disorganised. The best scumhunters on the forum all post very little in comparison to the average player, but rarely do they actually get lynched because they actually take the time to read and know what's going on. I think the only real exception to that would be marv, who posts quite a lot compared to the likes of Foolishness/sandro/syllo/Ver/Incog etc. On March 30 2013 16:49 DarthPunk wrote: It was frustrating to argue against you Ryu. Your arguments were incredibly retarded but you succeeded in making town ignore me by shitting all over everything I said. hahaha chalk that up to no fear, I guess. My only fear is a vigi when I'm scum. | ||
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RyuSuzaku
Japan139 Posts
On March 30 2013 17:13 ThePeashooter wrote: You play like a complete asshole. That is not a compliment. Your spammy post style is not a legitimate play style and its utterly discouraging. it's not an illegitimate strategy at all. He was scum, his interest is in getting town disorganised. Posting a lot accomplishes this and nothing he did broke any rules. If you don't like players who do that, make a policy to lynch or pressure them when they do it, and punish them for it. Trust me when I say you will probably discourage townies from contributing, and it'll probably backfire. You have to be good enough to realize when a player needs to be ignored/lynched for posting too much. | ||
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