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On March 18 2013 07:05 layabout wrote:
Not seeing GM as scum, he seems to be scumhunting just fine, get on Darth.
This is pretty generic if you want to defend him why don't you go into detail?
People posted extensive cases against your and VE's oneliners, there might be a reason why they are convincing no?
If you are really interested into defending him, what's holding you back? Why think DP is scum but GM shouldn't be another fine choice? Without debating it?
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DP chill down (coming from me, so it's serious business) and work towards persuading people of your own reads. There is only a GM wagon up now as alternative so I suggest you hop on that.
I find pretty much everyone scummy you do, but GM is the only working alternative now. We need to draw people to our wagon of rightfulness.
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To every townie that is voting DarthPunk or someone else: Please help in lynching Greymist.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 18 2013 09:19 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 08:51 zarepath wrote:On March 17 2013 08:45 cosmicomics wrote:On March 17 2013 06:16 layabout wrote:On March 17 2013 05:51 cosmicomics wrote:On March 16 2013 23:42 Vivax wrote:
Sandro:
I don't like this post.
Quick conclusions. No arguments, no read on BH and VE (just being silly) and conclusive reads on people I actually find scummy. Townish reads on a guy who contributed something pointless. Not the sandro I would expect as town. Leaning red.
What does town sandro look like? What do you think of DarthPunk? You can see in the nested quotes that geript drops RNG for setup spec "I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested." and then moves into asking about a different topic "How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff?" So DarthPunk is acting as if geript is still attempting his RNG stuff (he isn't) and trying to lynch him off that, and doesn't actually address him. How do you get so mad at someone you totally dismiss his posting so quickly?
##Vote: DarthPunk
At the same time, do you really see scum laying a vote down that early? I'll have to check, but I dont' think thread sentiment was exactly pushing for a geript lynch. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 09:03 zarepath wrote:
Okay, I just poked in to catch up as much as I can -- sorry that I am looking scummy; I will be able to participate much more during the week (as opposed to the weekend) and will hopefully be able to prove my alignment in a better fashion than I have thus far.
Darth Punk was one of something like 8 different people I suspected yesterday, and from the last couple of pages it seems as though his defense of other people's pressure hasn't been stellar. Mainly, all of his reads have been people who have been pressuring him, and much of his text is defending the first day of his game, not actively trying to find out who is scum.
The people he lists as scum suspects are not people he's trying to get others to lynch; it's entirely responsive.
I don't know if anybody else has mentioned this, but his first post seemed almost suspiciously over the top (I'm so excited for this game!), and that's another reason I feel okay about lynching him.
I wish I'd had time to look over some more candidates, but at this moment (and time is running short) I don't feel too bad about throwing my vote onto DarthPunk.
##Vote: DarthPunk Why did you defend DP from cosmicomics yesterday if you thought his first post was suspiciously over the top and you suspected him?
I tried to actually see if sciberbia got something wrong here, but upon checking it's true.
Zarepath said that he found DP's entrance post scummy later on, but expressed doubts towards thinking he's scum later (30 minutes) for an early vote.
I agree that this is inconsistent.
Upon rereading Zarepath I actually realized my read might be wrong. I noticed another inconsistency:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 17 2013 06:54 zarepath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 06:19 geript wrote:On March 16 2013 22:13 zarepath wrote:
And one final thought: sciberbia was quick to point out that VE's tarot cards and Peashooter's speculation aren't that scummy (but I disagree and say they are more scummy than anything else so far, btw), and VE makes a good point in response: On March 16 2013 18:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Interesting. Out of everyone who has posted, you are by far the most verbose. I expect you will be equally verbose when describing things you DO find scummy. First off, I dislike the fact that you mix up my tarot card thoughts and place them on VE. The thing that doesn't make sense to me whatsoever is how this post flows. I'm not seeing the jump in logic between either the setup speculation being scummy Or how VE's post leads directly from that. It's a subtle transition from X+Y are scummy into it's useless. Then yoy transfer into: On March 16 2013 22:13 zarepath wrote:
So in the end, I currently have my eyes on Coagulation, Peashooter, VE, and sciberbia. I will take a more serious look at geript later. I'm not getting the logic jump here either. There isn't any real reason listed. There's no reason to expect to be able to jump straight to fucking without a little foreplay. How do you explain this Zare? Why make a nothing post?
I find setup speculation something that a scum is more likely to want to do immediately on Day 1 than something that town is likely to want to do, because it requires zero reads on anyone else and if it EVER contributes to finding scum, it does so in an incredibly oblique way very much down the road. I don't see DAy 1 setup speculation as being one of the better things that town can do on Day 1.I did mix up your tarot card comment with VE because he mentioned something about them later, I think. I looked through your filter, geript, and I liked your comment about coddling Coag and figured you were null for now. The VE quote at the end wasn't meant to suggest VE was scummy, but to suggest that he made a good point about sciberbia's contributions thus far. When I scum hunt, I look at each person individually, and so while I did put my suspicions on VE, the fact i'm suspicious of him doesn't mean I can't agree with his suspicions on someone else. My suspect list at the end of the post was all justified by the contents of that post -- I didn't like Coag's town claim then subsequent nothing (or anything he's done since), I didn't like VE's town claim or weird scumhunting cirlce idea that almost seemed glib in tone, and I didn't like Peashooter's eagerness to talk extensively about setup speculation in a game where we were even warned things could change around; the likeliness of us figuring out this setup on Day 1 with no info is incredibly low and, as i mentioned above, an easy discussion for scum to participate in without giving themselves away, and I didn't like (as VE noted) sciberbia's certainty that people weren't scum. It's true my post didn't lead to a full conclusive scum read and vote on anybody, but it's worthwhile to post my suspicions right now, and especially at a point in the day when I knew I'd be gone for a while. Sorry it didn't flow better for you, and hopefully this clears up what your concerns were. On March 17 2013 12:33 zarepath wrote:
I haven't hopped on the GK or TPS bandwagons because I'm not convinced of them entirely. I've never played in a game this large and there are a LOT of people who have posted almost literally nothing, and several people whose small contributions have been less substantial than either of these two players (DarthPunk, Trancestorm, sandroba, Coagulation). I hear what people are saying about them, but I hadn't taken into account the point that TPS is obviously a proxy, and that muddles the waters a bit.
It's not like there's an enormous wagon on GK right now -- half the thread has hardly posted and there's what, two or three people talking about him? I can see why; it's not like it's bad to talk about him, but I just don't have anything to add. I also thought it was quite scummy for him to basically give his Pro Town resume of all the wonderfully pro town things he's done (which under scrutiny he hasn't done), and I can understand that looking pretty bad. But I know what it's like to think you have a solid pro-town filter as town and apparently it wasn't as solid and obvious as you assumed.
But he's also promised he has a case coming, and I can understand the desire to wait until you feel confident about a case to really push it. I'm inclined to see what he comes up with and re-evaluate my read from there.
TPS was basically one of the first setup speculators but he somehow preferred geript over him as scumread and never tried to pressure or interact with TPS (despite Wade being loud and hammering him, so he must have seen that going on in the thread).
I'm sold on hopping on the zarepath bandwagon, alternatively.
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Sorry Grey, but I really found you scummy :| . gg
@ WoS
+ Show Spoiler +On March 18 2013 13:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright reading through zare's filter his lack of commitment and hardcore line of questioning strikes me as the differences between his play here and in NMM 37, the only game in which I have played with him. He makes an early weak suspicion case against me and does not follow up on it whatsoever, completely ignoring the fact that he drew suspicion on me whatsoever despite me responding to him. His activity does go down from its usual on weekends that is true, but even with that excuse his play seems much weaker than the town play I'm used to seeing from zare.
Usually much stronger cases and less sheeping. My meta reads are overall fairly weak thus far into my mafia career though so I'm not yet comfortable lynching zare based on that evidence. I'm inclined to agree with geript's thoughts of 'waiting it out' to see if his play improves since GM seems to be the stronger choice for today. Zare wouldn't mind a response to MY response to your earlier suspicion against me.
As for GM, he holds something in common with zare, in that he also brings up suspicion against me, calls me scummier than DarthPunk, doesn't back it up, and then ignores me completely. His AHA! post reeks of bad towny play (stupid gambit is stupid), but isn't Grey supposed to be a mafia veteran? That kind of 'trap' is something that zare tried to spring on the rest of the town AS a townie in NMM 37 but it only ended up muddling up the whole thread for that day and accomplishing nothing. Greymist's trap seems like an easy way to hide behind the fact that he couldn't be assed to contribute in a positive way and to jump on the first person to call him out for being gone (whether for legit reasons or not) as others have pointed out.
It's nice that other people seem to think DP isn't scummy anymore btw, (and the flailing around once under heavy suspicion seems more like a towny think to do than scum) so he's null for me right now. I still don't lke the stance on lurkers despite how he described it.
Unvote: DarthPunk
Vote GreYMisT
I would like to know why you thought it's nice that other people didn't think DP was scummy anymore when you said you could get behind his lynch earlier based on VE's case. This doesn't make any sense. Have I actually been wrong about you guys? 
+ Show Spoiler +On March 18 2013 04:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also I believe I promised I'd give my thoughts on Vivax/TPS:
Vivax's defense of me notwithstanding, I'm not so sure this was a slip. Meta reads are going to be something I will not be very good at until I play quite a few more games with all of you guys, so I can't look back at Yamato and try to find out if Vivax's claim is legitimate. I'm not sure why he would be so confident as to flat out call him Yamato in one sentence and the back off a little saying 'I think' in another, it's a very odd way of doing it rather than flat out asking 'Are you Yamato' or simply saying 'I think TPS is Yamato.' Either way the 'slip' itself seems null, as is Vivax's defense on me; his points ring true (and I'm happy people actually notice me for once) but obviously there are both scum and town motivations for doing what he did.
As for TPS, I'm having a hard time because I actually enjoyed his setup speculation (even though I know that's something that is generally frowned upon) and his early pressure on Coag is something that I would have gotten behind if I weren't fucking terrified of having the wrath of every vet in existence on top of me for 'not knowing how Coag usually plays.' I said it in an earlier post, Coag doesn't look great to me, but I'll trust the townies who seem to know him.
Now TPS's pressure in my eyes really depends on whether he is a smurf or not imo. If he is, I would think that he would know exactly how Coag usually plays and so this would seem like an agenda to me. If he's not, he is legitimately pressuring and pushing a read on a player who looked (at least up until he started posting more frequently and usefully) scummy. So null on TPS for now until the smurf idea is resolved.
I CAN, however get behind a vote on DP. I support VE's case though I do not necessarily support his town circle; call that scummy if you wish but having never seen one in a game before I have no idea of their risks or benefits and it just seems manipulative to me.
Vote: Darthpunk
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Well ok seems to make sense given he didn't post like crazy at the point you found him scummy.
I think you two are just townies smashing your heads in I'm currently preparing a post to analyze the D1 votes and the Greymist bandwagons.
If you were so nice to take a look at these guys who stuck out to me beforehand :
RyuSuzaku, goodkarma, ThePeashooter, cosmicomics, zarepath
Will post my reasoning soon for why I think some of them have a shot at being scum.
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I'm currently working on my case related to the GM bandwagon and am confident that TPS, zarepath and GK are scum together. It looks like town was right a bit on everyone D1 but missed to jump on the zarepath wagon.
While looking for information for my case, I noticed this.
On March 17 2013 12:33 zarepath wrote:
I haven't hopped on the GK or TPS bandwagons because I'm not convinced of them entirely. I've never played in a game this large and there are a LOT of people who have posted almost literally nothing, and several people whose small contributions have been less substantial than either of these two players (DarthPunk, Trancestorm, sandroba, Coagulation). I hear what people are saying about them, but I hadn't taken into account the point that TPS is obviously a proxy, and that muddles the waters a bit.
It's not like there's an enormous wagon on GK right now -- half the thread has hardly posted and there's what, two or three people talking about him? I can see why; it's not like it's bad to talk about him, but I just don't have anything to add. I also thought it was quite scummy for him to basically give his Pro Town resume of all the wonderfully pro town things he's done (which under scrutiny he hasn't done), and I can understand that looking pretty bad. But I know what it's like to think you have a solid pro-town filter as town and apparently it wasn't as solid and obvious as you assumed.
But he's also promised he has a case coming, and I can understand the desire to wait until you feel confident about a case to really push it. I'm inclined to see what he comes up with and re-evaluate my read from there.
I think the bolded part is super scummy and I see him being scum with GK cause of this. It shows how he defends both and then says he has nothing to add regarding GK, but afterwards he mentions several points that he finds scummy.
How does this make sense? If he truly thought he had nothing to add he would simply not do it. But instead he gives a weak reason to not vote for him and then mentions things that are scummy to not look like he's defending him.
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I'd like to analyse the votes and the related posts with a few presumptions:
- Scum doesn't need to change to a mislynch if the majority on the wagon are already townies. Especially if scum was previously bussing it's convenient for them to stay on the old one unless their vote makes the difference.
Scum does need to change to a mislynch if one of theirs is threatened by another majority.
- Greymist looked scummy (hence he was lynched). As such, I think people joining late aren't suspicious like people early or in between cause scum knows they would look better afterwards if they ended up on another wagon. It's still possible that a scum post got the wagon rolling in the first place. (I shouldn't have joined the wagon so quickly, on second thought)
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Can't be excluded that zarepath is scum and his buddies piled up onto Greymist just to make sure that the DP wagon can't get zare lynched.
After rereading and considering the wagons and his posts I actually believe that zarepath is scum.
- As you see, I bolded those I find most interesting (Cause early/in between). Geript looks actually pretty good cause of his decision to not join the wagon. GK had a really early vote on GM, then on Sandro, then back to GK and looks suspicious, cosmicomics too, also for earlier reasons. I'll take a shot at analysing these two, would be nice if you looked at the other guys I bolded.
On March 18 2013 14:14 Oatsmaster wrote:VOTE COUNT!ThePeashooter (0): Wade Fell, VisceraEyes, Coagulationgoodkarma (1): Mr. Wiggles, kitaman27, VisceraEyes, GreYMisT, kitaman27, Kenpachi Coagulation (0): ThePeashooterGreYMisT (12): goodkarma, RyuSuzaku, goodkarma, Vivax, geript, ThePeashooter, cosmicomics, Wade Fell, Mr. Wiggles, Kenpachi, zarepath, kitaman27, TestSubject893, WaveofShadow testsubject893 (0): Wade FellSandroba (0): goodkarma, glurio zarepath (6): geript, sciberbia, Hopeless1der, DoYouHas, DarthPunk, layabout, geript DoYouHas (1): TranceStorm cosmicomics (0): VivaxDarthPunk (3): layabout, VisceraEyes, [s]WaveofShadow[s], glurio, Coagulation, zarepath, cosmicomicsVivax (0):: kitaman27, CoagulationVisceraEyes (0): DarthPunkVoting is compulsory
I think those who switched from DP to GM last are most worth a look: Zare and cosmic.
So first of all, let me start with my reasoning as to why I think that most if not all of scum is on the GM bandwagon.
To do so, we have to exclude that scum were on the other two wagons.
Let's start with DP (who I have as townread currently)
I think the DP wagon has two explanations: Either DP is scum and zare and cosmic set themselves up to bus him only to switch later. Or they thought that his wagon would gain steam and then saw that it didn't work, deciding to switch to GM (possibly to save zarepath).
To check which one applies, I'd have to see how Zare + cosmic vote for DP and then switch to GM. Do they push the lynches? Are they consistent with their reads? Are the reasons good?
That said, I'll leave it to them to justify it. After rereading Zarepath I'm confident he's scum anyway, as for cosmic, you should know my opinion on him since early.
I think the zarepath wagon was the right wagon to go, and am assuming all on that one were townies. Sciberbia hit like a swiss knife again.
So we are left with the GM wagon. Now let me point out the switches coupled with my former reasoning.
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ZAREPATH
The timing of this post
+ Show Spoiler +On March 18 2013 09:03 zarepath wrote:
Okay, I just poked in to catch up as much as I can -- sorry that I am looking scummy; I will be able to participate much more during the week (as opposed to the weekend) and will hopefully be able to prove my alignment in a better fashion than I have thus far.
Darth Punk was one of something like 8 different people I suspected yesterday, and from the last couple of pages it seems as though his defense of other people's pressure hasn't been stellar. Mainly, all of his reads have been people who have been pressuring him, and much of his text is defending the first day of his game, not actively trying to find out who is scum.
The people he lists as scum suspects are not people he's trying to get others to lynch; it's entirely responsive.
I don't know if anybody else has mentioned this, but his first post seemed almost suspiciously over the top (I'm so excited for this game!), and that's another reason I feel okay about lynching him.
I wish I'd had time to look over some more candidates, but at this moment (and time is running short) I don't feel too bad about throwing my vote onto DarthPunk.
##Vote: DarthPunk
was right after DP got his ass gunned by VE. So zarepath should have felt that a wagon was coming and set himself up for it, and, coupled with the inconsistency sciberbia pointed out where zare asked that question about DP's early vote being unlikely for scum this doesn't look good for zare who suddenly got a scumread on the guy who just defended himself quite effectively, in my opinion.
As always, zarepath seems to be in a hurry, so he drops a couple of reasons to vote for him. I disagree with some reasons he mentions but they're not the main point of this case.
Does he push the case? No he doesn't. What we also notice is the timing of his vote. He cast his vote on DP after Ryu's convincing case on Grey.
Time difference:
On March 18 2013 04:23 RyuSuzaku wrote:
##vote greymist
On March 18 2013 09:26 zarepath wrote:
##Vote: DarthPunk
Then, when Grey had 8 votes on him already, he comes in with that "read" on him after asking him a question
On March 18 2013 11:55 zarepath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 23:43 GreYMisT wrote:On March 16 2013 23:38 Hopeless1der wrote:On March 16 2013 22:05 zarepath wrote:On March 16 2013 16:46 Coagulation wrote:
im town thank god In the last game I played, literally every single person who claimed town in their opening post was scum. On March 16 2013 16:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi I'm town yadda yadda. BH you wanna try and get a read on me before I go to bed? VE did say in the analysis that he always claims town no matter what, though. But seriously, what is the town motivation for claiming town so early? There's more scum motivation than town motivation. On March 16 2013 17:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
Maybe next time sport. Tell me, what do you make of geript and his RNG shenanigans? It's said that he RNG'd before the game started and that rather than using the name he drew, he RNG'd AGAIN when the game started! How exciting is that?!
Now, as we know, scum aren't likely to put their scumbuddy up for lynch so easily, so the supposition is that geript and zarepath are scumbuddies, and geript didn't want to put his buddy up for lynch! What do you say to THAT?! Yeah, I reject this notion for obvious reasons, but also for the fact that this is already an association case, isn't it? Granted, I suppose if you assume that there are scum motivations for him switching his RNG, the most obvious reason would be because his original RNG was going to hit scum. But wasn't he told he couldn't use that anyway and have it count as a real RNG? And again, you're already operating on the assumption the switch was scum-motivated. VE's super awesome team sounds dumb. I can't see how any self-respecting scum hunter would agree to unite their votes with 4 other active people no matter what. And honestly, don't the self-respecting scum hunters kind of unite with each other as they prove themselves to each other anyway? I am much more in favor of a "lead scumhunting team" coming about organically from the good scum-hunters recognizing each other as being good than VE deciding who is good and then telling them how to vote. Also, I find all role and setup speculation stupid at this point; even regarding the fact that the OP suggests the possibility of victory conditions changing throughout the game, I don't see how town is better served in finding scum through role speculation without any information with which to base it on, and I don't see why town would want to do anything other than promote a pro-town atmosphere and find scum on the first day regardless of the setup. /offtopic: flavor is awesome The use of anecdotal evidence to push a non-existent policy is pretty scummy here. Unless lynching townclaims has become a thing. Is this what the kenpachi rule is for, or is that only for kenpachi? So uh, how about the part where he directly acknowledges that VE always opens up with a "hai I'm town" to some degree, and in spite of this, the townclaim is scummy? It should be read as null, every time, unless there's some meta "tone" read that I can't pick up on. Overall, I read through this post and zarepath keeps playing devil's advocate with himself and answering his own questions. There is no mindset of wanting to solve the game to me. I think he's scum. I agree with this look at Zarepath. It appears to me that he is trying to find things to say. GreYMist, whatever happened to this? You haven't mentioned me once since.
On March 18 2013 12:12 zarepath wrote:
I just switched to GreYMisT based mostly off of a look through his filter and the timing of his chiming in on other people who are already being suspected by others, or how almost everyone he mentions looks maybe scummy but he's not sure. (I recognize I am also kind of guilty of that last point, but I personally know I'm not scum, so there's that.)
Unvote: DarthPunk
Vote: GreYMisT
Not only did Ryu post a pretty strong case against Grey, which was the main reason so many people switched to him, and Zare doesn't refer to it at all, but he even thought DP was a better choice when Ryu posted the case before Zare voted DP.
Does this look like a guy who's trying to figure the game out? Who pushes his lynches? Who explains his reads?
Frankly I don't know what the reason is for why he votes Greymist, but apparently this guy doesn't have any real scumreads, cause when called out by sciberbia for his inconsistency, he says this:
On March 18 2013 12:23 zarepath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 12:15 sciberbia wrote:On March 18 2013 09:19 sciberbia wrote:On March 17 2013 08:51 zarepath wrote:On March 17 2013 08:45 cosmicomics wrote:On March 17 2013 06:16 layabout wrote:On March 17 2013 05:51 cosmicomics wrote:On March 16 2013 23:42 Vivax wrote:
Sandro:
I don't like this post.
Quick conclusions. No arguments, no read on BH and VE (just being silly) and conclusive reads on people I actually find scummy. Townish reads on a guy who contributed something pointless. Not the sandro I would expect as town. Leaning red.
What does town sandro look like? What do you think of DarthPunk? You can see in the nested quotes that geript drops RNG for setup spec "I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested." and then moves into asking about a different topic "How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff?" So DarthPunk is acting as if geript is still attempting his RNG stuff (he isn't) and trying to lynch him off that, and doesn't actually address him. How do you get so mad at someone you totally dismiss his posting so quickly?
##Vote: DarthPunk
At the same time, do you really see scum laying a vote down that early? I'll have to check, but I dont' think thread sentiment was exactly pushing for a geript lynch. On March 18 2013 09:03 zarepath wrote:
Okay, I just poked in to catch up as much as I can -- sorry that I am looking scummy; I will be able to participate much more during the week (as opposed to the weekend) and will hopefully be able to prove my alignment in a better fashion than I have thus far.
Darth Punk was one of something like 8 different people I suspected yesterday, and from the last couple of pages it seems as though his defense of other people's pressure hasn't been stellar. Mainly, all of his reads have been people who have been pressuring him, and much of his text is defending the first day of his game, not actively trying to find out who is scum.
The people he lists as scum suspects are not people he's trying to get others to lynch; it's entirely responsive.
I don't know if anybody else has mentioned this, but his first post seemed almost suspiciously over the top (I'm so excited for this game!), and that's another reason I feel okay about lynching him.
I wish I'd had time to look over some more candidates, but at this moment (and time is running short) I don't feel too bad about throwing my vote onto DarthPunk.
##Vote: DarthPunk Why did you defend DP from cosmicomics yesterday if you thought his first post was suspiciously over the top and you suspected him? @zarepath Can you answer to this? This is a good point. It wasn't a soft defense so much as something that needed to be considered and answered if you were to make a case on him. He'd been on my radar at the time. Tonight, when I started trying to catch up, I saw DP's defenses which seemed really OMGUSy and a total lack of pro-town argument (other than prevent his own mislynch), and figured it was a good vote -- for some reaosn I thought the lynch deadline was going to be quite soon, and was actually worried that I'd already missed it when I came into the thread and just tried to get a vote down asaply. Now I'm on greymist because I think it's coming down between me and him, and I don't like his pattern of seeding suspicion onto players and then acting unsure, or letting others do the work.
Did you see DP being stubborn about his scumreads although under heavy pressure? Or Greymist saying he wants GK lynched while going down? This is what townies behave (Yes I think DP is town). Scumreads over everything, real patriots of their hometown.
Zarepath instead gives weak reasoning for switching votes, and his reads look fake. He doesn't have the ambition of a townie to get the scum lynched, he says Greymist is scummy but at the same time says he wants to vote for him to save his own hide. If you think the first you don't argue with the latter.
Verdict 1: Zarepath is scum.
Let's go back to the defence post: This dude defended both TPS and GK, who all have done scummy things according to most of this town, yet this guy disagrees with a lynch on them, says he has nothing to add, then lists things he finds scummy about them. Instinctive: We assume they are his scumbuddies, so we dig a little there, too, and we also see they were early on the GM wagon, like predicted at the start of this post. I'm right in between them (curse me). Scumlarm rings.
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Most of the stuff I found suspicious about Cosmic still applies. So I'll just stick to the newer stuff especially related to the GM bandwagon, my old one is here
So first, let's bring up what he does exactly like zarepath, he tries to get the DP bandwagon rolling, and later switches to Grey even though he voted DP after Ryu's case. (His first post regarding DP included a vote here but not in the voting thread, so he did vote after Ryu's case effectively).
On March 17 2013 08:45 cosmicomics wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 06:16 layabout wrote:On March 17 2013 05:51 cosmicomics wrote:On March 16 2013 23:42 Vivax wrote:
Sandro:
I don't like this post.
Quick conclusions. No arguments, no read on BH and VE (just being silly) and conclusive reads on people I actually find scummy. Townish reads on a guy who contributed something pointless. Not the sandro I would expect as town. Leaning red.
What does town sandro look like? What do you think of DarthPunk? You can see in the nested quotes that geript drops RNG for setup spec "I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested." and then moves into asking about a different topic "How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff?" So DarthPunk is acting as if geript is still attempting his RNG stuff (he isn't) and trying to lynch him off that, and doesn't actually address him. How do you get so mad at someone you totally dismiss his posting so quickly?
##Vote: DarthPunk
On March 18 2013 07:41 cosmicomics wrote:Sunday is busy day. Still catching up but addressing first things first. Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 20:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 17 2013 08:45 cosmicomics wrote:On March 17 2013 06:16 layabout wrote:On March 17 2013 05:51 cosmicomics wrote:On March 16 2013 23:42 Vivax wrote:
Sandro:
I don't like this post.
Quick conclusions. No arguments, no read on BH and VE (just being silly) and conclusive reads on people I actually find scummy. Townish reads on a guy who contributed something pointless. Not the sandro I would expect as town. Leaning red.
What does town sandro look like? What do you think of DarthPunk? You can see in the nested quotes that geript drops RNG for setup spec "I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested." and then moves into asking about a different topic "How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff?" So DarthPunk is acting as if geript is still attempting his RNG stuff (he isn't) and trying to lynch him off that, and doesn't actually address him. How do you get so mad at someone you totally dismiss his posting so quickly?
##Vote: DarthPunk
LoL just cacthing up now. One thing though. I doubt anyone could interpret my vote as anything more than some pressure to stop his RNG bullshit. That's clearly what it was but you claiming that I was trying to lynch him off that is complete BS. I doubt this misinterpretation could be anything but deliberate. ##unvote
##Vote:CosmicomicsExplain how the fuck you think I was actually doing anything more than a pressure vote on someone in order to get them to cease a terrible idea/plan? DarthPunk is caught lying and is trying to backpedal. My post specifically mentioned how geript had already stopped pursuing RNG material. Why would a town pressure vote to stop someone's "terrible idea" if they already stopped doing it in the very post they quoted? There was a slight possibility that DarthPunk was also trying to shut down geript's tarot card speculation, but in this post it is clear that it was not what he was doing. He himself admits that it was pressure to stop RNG. So there is absolutely no town reason why he would do this to geript. The only reason is to misinterpret geript as doing "terrible idea/plans", and try to mislynch him off that. ##Vote: DarthPunk
On March 18 2013 04:23 RyuSuzaku wrote:
##vote greymist
On March 18 2013 07:42 cosmicomics wrote:
Vote: DarthPunk
As we see, cosmicomics reasons for voting DP were his pressure vote on geript and how it was a lie cause he stopped the RNG stuff. I think this is a terrible point to bring against someone being mafia and only represents cosmicomics trying to use something that looks like an inconsistency to jump on and push the DP wagon. Early game pressure votes when people talk about the hipsteRNG are perfectly fine in my opinion and I had my vote on kita for a long time even after he delurked right after it, that's inconsistent too but it doesn't make me scum.
I mainly want to show the mafia agenda behind the switch from DP to Grey, cause I think mafia tried to save zarepath's ass with the switch from DP to Grey later.
On March 18 2013 08:20 cosmicomics wrote:
goodkarma
Upon a personal reading of his filter alone, he doesn't seem that bad.
I see consistency in the evolution of his reads (everything comes from somewhere).
I also see him trying to use meta (on GreYMisT and sandroba) in what I think is a sensible way.
The initial suspicion on him before he made his big post made sense, but was cleared up as his "playstyle".
GreYMisT's case seems to be "goodkarma can't make a good case he is scum", which isn't sound because "good case" is pretty subjective, and townies can fail to make "good cases" all the time.
I'm a slow reader so I might have missed other key points but I don't think he is a good lynch.
zarepath
Ehh ... I'm leaning newbie town player trying to adapt to the major leagues. While more experienced players may know that posts such as "I'm town" are jokes to be ignored for real content, a newer player may not. His questioning of my initial case on DarthPunk seems like a very difficult one to fake from a scum perspective, as it exploits word definition.
I would give him a chance to get adjusted first.
Vivax
Doesn't quite understand how I play but is putting in what seems to be genuine effort for now, especially with his efforts to try to focus attention on me.
If there is anything specific you want to point out I can look at it, because I like to spent my time (at least for D1) reading at a larger scale.
Here we see something that only reinforces my connection case: Zarepath defended TPS and GK. Cosmicomics defends Zarepath and GK and shows really weird behaviour.
He thinks I'm showing genuine efforts by directing the attention towards him. I don't know about you but when I'm town I don't like people calling me scum and forcing me to defend myself. But well, what matters is his defense of these two guys.
Then cosmic asks DP these two questions:
On March 18 2013 10:07 cosmicomics wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 10:04 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2013 09:59 cosmicomics wrote:
DarthPunk, in one sentence, do you think I did anything wrong (from my perspective) thus far? How am I supposed to understand your perspective when it is so obviously detached from anything I can identify with? But Obviously I do. Otherwise I wouldn't have voted for you. So you admit that you yourself (innocently) misinterpreted geript's posts, and I'm scummy for thinking that you misinterpreted him?
Upon which DP reacts with this:
On March 18 2013 10:10 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 10:07 cosmicomics wrote:On March 18 2013 10:04 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2013 09:59 cosmicomics wrote:
DarthPunk, in one sentence, do you think I did anything wrong (from my perspective) thus far? How am I supposed to understand your perspective when it is so obviously detached from anything I can identify with? But Obviously I do. Otherwise I wouldn't have voted for you. So you admit that you yourself (innocently) misinterpreted geript's posts, and I'm scummy for thinking that you misinterpreted him? NO you are scummy for sheeping a bad case on me which relied on turning an obvious pressure vote in this very first hour of the game into something more. And then trying to lynch me for it. When it was plain for all to see it was a start of the game pressure vote and nothing more. DESPITE me being wrong about the tarot thing.
On March 18 2013 10:21 cosmicomics wrote:
Yea I don't think DarthPunk is the lynch anymore. Just stubborn, but in a consistent townie way.
Upon review VE's case does look pretty bad.
##Unvote: DarthPunk
I'll be looking into the alternatives to decide.
On March 18 2013 10:34 cosmicomics wrote:
Upon review I am fine with lynching either GreYMisT or zarepath (his latest post really throws me off).
Gonna go with GreYMisT because zarepath will quickly expose himself if he is indeed scum.
##Vote: GreYMisT
Judge these reasons to favour Greymist by yourself. I think cosmicomics is scummy since early, so just go read my case
GOODKARMA
Then obviously, there's GK and TPS. I think these two dudes are scum, too if I just look at how Zare and cosmic handled them. I currently don't know who the fifth scum might be, but I kinda ruled out Ryu for this question from GK
On March 17 2013 05:31 goodkarma wrote:Regarding Grey:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 04:10 layabout wrote:
since it looks like you mightn't get an answer would you care to share your read on grey? I asked about grey because I could find very little about his meta. I know he hosts many games, but he doesn't seem to have played in many. Best I can tell so far, he seems very detached from this game, posting often, but saying very little... Having a look at his meta would really help, if anyone happens to know a game he has actually played in (and not hosted) I would love to look at it. @Mr. Wiggles:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 17 2013 03:53 goodkarma wrote:On March 17 2013 02:46 Coagulation wrote:
The sast thing was clearly a joke. It was like an hour into day 1 and there was no one posting. You can just expect to be nailing scum 1 hour into day 1 when 90% of players havnt posted. thats fucking absurd. so omg someone makes a joke post to pass the time. Okay. I can understand it was early. But if we were to look in the here and now you still haven't provided anything that suggests who you think could be scum.I think what peashooter, and others here are getting at, is either post something that helps us scumhunt, or don't post at all. I am less inclined than others here to just policy lynch you. But you make it hard for us when you continue to spam the thread with emotional OMGUS responses. Hopefully you see where we're coming from. I would be most interested in hearing about your read on Grey. What are your own reads for scum? You've mentioned twice the need to scumhunt, and here you're chiding Coag for not providing anything in regards to who he thinks is scum, when you yourself have done the same. It's just more of the same general game play talk with no actual stances taken in regards to your own opinions. ##Vote: goodkarmaConvince me you're not scum. Sowy, but I'm not giving you any scumreads until I'm ready to. You claim I haven't been scumhunting, but if you were to look at my posting so far I have: 1) Worked towards establishing a pro-town atmosphere, a reasonable early goal 2) Been pushing others for reads to get a better understanding of their motives and thought process, which is very important to getting scumreads As far as cases go, which aren't the only component of scumhunting: As I said, when I'm ready. And I promise you it will be long before the end of the day. But what I'd recommend you to do right now is to focus some of your energies on getting others to participate (not everyone has even posted yet!), and pursue some of your other scumreads. Because tunneling one read, and going into lurker mode thereafter is in itself pretty scummy... @Ryu:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 04:28 RyuSuzaku wrote:On March 16 2013 22:24 sandroba wrote:
Geript and sciberbia are both town. BH is trying to emulate his previous behavior. VE is silly. Peashooter I'm leaning town due to the no name claiming warning, other than that the rest of the speculation is pointless at this stage. He seems to be a reasonable fella though, I'm curious about who he is.
Keep up the good work gents. On March 16 2013 22:30 sandroba wrote:
Update: Greymist is suspicious. On March 16 2013 22:40 GreYMisT wrote:On March 16 2013 22:30 sandroba wrote:
Update: Greymist is suspicious. Do you disagree with the point that I made? On March 16 2013 22:45 sandroba wrote:
Don't care about your "points", and neither do you. You seem mafia to me. Last sentence gave you away. I find this interaction forced-there seems to be something off about how sandroba and greymist confront each other here. I wouldn't even call it confronting, really. I dislike sandroba more for the lack of reasoning, but I think it could be possible they are both mafia. ##vote sandroba
Would you mind going a little more in depth on this case for me? From what I've seen in his past games, sandroba has been pretty lazy as both town and scum. The difference being the quality of his reads. From what I've seen so far, I'd say his assessments have been reasonable. What about his reads do you disagree with, or is this really just about his lazy posting style?
I'll post more later and possibly figure out the fifth one, writing this post was pretty tiring and took me ages :3
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I see glurio as the fifth dude actually he exhibited very similar behaviour. Unwilling to consider Zarepath and cosmic as scum for strange reasons and joined the DP bandwagon, but he didn't leave it unlike cosmic and Zarepath, TPS and GK I still have to look into, didn't consider them until now.
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As in, I have to read their filters and find the scummy stuff cause I didn't do that D1.
Also, give me medic protection pls I'll eat my hat if they don't shoot me tonight.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2013 01:31 ThePeashooter wrote:
There is no point in naming who you think all 5 mafia are when we can only kill one person a day. If you are right they are all on guard now. That was a bit stupid. The only reason you might want to do that is if you think you are very likely to die during this night phase and since half the people thought we were scum buddies at some point yesterday you aren't too likely to be on their list of targets.
Can you find an example please? I remember lots of people thinking you were scum "on your own", but didn't see anyone make the connection like I did.
Also it's fine if I die N1. Just shows how well I played lol.
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Oh I thought by scumbuddies you meant your real scumbuddies, not the slip that wasn't a slip.
Yawn.
Are you yamato anyway?
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@ EVERYONE WHO I CALLED SCUM IN MY LAST RELEVANT POST - glurio, TPS, GK, cosmic
Please give your stance on the Zarepath lynch now.
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He's the guy I'm least sure on. He's not an issue before the other ones.
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Does anyone else find suspicious how 3 of the guys I have in my case pop in to talk about a lot of other stuff, one says I'm likely to get NKd and then just disappear and ignore my relevant question?
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2013 02:36 ThePeashooter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 02:19 Vivax wrote:
Does anyone else find suspicious how 3 of the guys I have in my case pop in to talk about a lot of other stuff, one says I'm likely to get NKd and then just disappear and ignore my relevant question? Sorry, I realize you are from Italy and English might not be your native language. I don't in the remotest sense think that there is even the slightest possibility of you dying tonight. There is literally no reason to kill you. My point was that posting 5 suspects is pointless when you can only feasibly kill one of them a day. The only exception to that would of been if you thought you were in imminent danger of dying during this night cycle, which as I pointed out is incredibly unlikely. Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 02:16 Coagulation wrote:
im not suprised gm flips town. there were a good 4 or 5 lynch candidates yesterday and scum probably had no time pickin the one they wanted. We need to consolidate our votes/pressure day 2 or we gonna be in the same spot again. I thought GM was scummy and wanted to let it play out which is why I never said anything earlier in the day. When I saw the choices between him and Zarepath I chose GM. I had GM as scummy in my notes and I felt he only got worse since I had updated them. My notes indicate that I thought Zarepath was leaning town but upon rereading his posts I found that I thought he was more scummy than I initially thought with his first few posts. + Show Spoiler +On March 16 2013 22:05 zarepath wrote:In the last game I played, literally every single person who claimed town in their opening post was scum. Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 16:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi I'm town yadda yadda. BH you wanna try and get a read on me before I go to bed? VE did say in the analysis that he always claims town no matter what, though. But seriously, what is the town motivation for claiming town so early? There's more scum motivation than town motivation. Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 17:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
Maybe next time sport. Tell me, what do you make of geript and his RNG shenanigans? It's said that he RNG'd before the game started and that rather than using the name he drew, he RNG'd AGAIN when the game started! How exciting is that?!
Now, as we know, scum aren't likely to put their scumbuddy up for lynch so easily, so the supposition is that geript and zarepath are scumbuddies, and geript didn't want to put his buddy up for lynch! What do you say to THAT?! Yeah, I reject this notion for obvious reasons, but also for the fact that this is already an association case, isn't it? Granted, I suppose if you assume that there are scum motivations for him switching his RNG, the most obvious reason would be because his original RNG was going to hit scum. But wasn't he told he couldn't use that anyway and have it count as a real RNG? And again, you're already operating on the assumption the switch was scum-motivated. VE's super awesome team sounds dumb. I can't see how any self-respecting scum hunter would agree to unite their votes with 4 other active people no matter what. And honestly, don't the self-respecting scum hunters kind of unite with each other as they prove themselves to each other anyway? I am much more in favor of a "lead scumhunting team" coming about organically from the good scum-hunters recognizing each other as being good than VE deciding who is good and then telling them how to vote. Also, I find all role and setup speculation stupid at this point; even regarding the fact that the OP suggests the possibility of victory conditions changing throughout the game, I don't see how town is better served in finding scum through role speculation without any information with which to base it on, and I don't see why town would want to do anything other than promote a pro-town atmosphere and find scum on the first day regardless of the setup. /offtopic: flavor is awesome On March 16 2013 22:13 zarepath wrote:EBWOP: As an addendum to my final paragraph, that is why I find Peashooter's opening content to be pretty scummy. Honestly, any player could have gone through and guessed at roles based on the titles (and probably did; I did as I skimmed them), but I think it's hardly worth talking about right now. I echo Wave Fell's sentiments here about Peashooter's likely scumminess. Now that I think about it, VE's talk about tarot cards seems especially useless. Another addendum to Coagulation's instant role claim : the very first thing he did after that was apply to the SAST, which is going to look pro-town without actually being pro-town. An addendum to my problems with the SAST: I am not certain as to whether or not VE seriously thought people would like his SAST idea. And one final thought: sciberbia was quick to point out that VE's tarot cards and Peashooter's speculation aren't that scummy (but I disagree and say they are more scummy than anything else so far, btw), and VE makes a good point in response: Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 18:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Interesting. Out of everyone who has posted, you are by far the most verbose. I expect you will be equally verbose when describing things you DO find scummy. So in the end, I currently have my eyes on Coagulation, Peashooter, VE, and sciberbia. I will take a more serious look at geript later. And with those reactions, I am now off for the afternoon to help somebody move. On March 17 2013 04:54 zarepath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not familiar to heavily themed games but what makes me wonder here about the setup is the sheer number of roles. 17 to be exact. Are these all going to be roles with power?
And now off the topic of setup speculation a few things I noticed from the very beginning of the game:
BH playing exactly like I've seen him before, mega aggressive. It works fine for him, he hunts scum and succeeds.
Can't decide whether I like Geript's 'new troll-y' style of playing or not, but ultimately (as many have pointed out) it's probably better than the way he ended in LX.
I don't have any scumreads as of yet (especially since half the thread is yet to post) but I'll be keeping my eye out.
Oh yeah one more thing: VE that SAST idea is retarded in my eyes, but makes me wonder about some sort of extra/3rd party wincon. Something like,' get a bunch of people to join your 3rd party group and successfully get 3-5 people mislynched' or some shit. I can't think of ANY other reason why you'd try to be serious about something that ridiculous. If you're serious about hunting scum, it's probably better you focus on that since you can be a huge asset to town when you're focused. This opening post seems kind of scummy to me. It begins with setup speculation that seems based in ignorance and not in a desire to hunt scum, continues to say that two players are consistent with their meta and he's not sure if he likes that or not, he decides he doesn't like SAST but then turns that into speculation as to a 3rd party wincon (????). Also notice the line thrown in the middle: Show nested quote +
I don't have any scumreads as of yet (especially since half the thread is yet to post) but I'll be keeping my eye out.
It's an excuse for not hunting scum while saying to trust him, he's hunting scum. I would like to see more input from WoS on who he is suspicious of, and why. He just keeps bitching about set up speculation and SAST neither ideas were worth more than a post or two of speculation but over 24 hours into the game he still focuses on this and contributes nothing else of value. It's like he META'd how talking about the set up too much is scummy so he chose to talk about people talking about the set up. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 09:03 zarepath wrote:
Okay, I just poked in to catch up as much as I can -- sorry that I am looking scummy; I will be able to participate much more during the week (as opposed to the weekend) and will hopefully be able to prove my alignment in a better fashion than I have thus far.
Darth Punk was one of something like 8 different people I suspected yesterday, and from the last couple of pages it seems as though his defense of other people's pressure hasn't been stellar. Mainly, all of his reads have been people who have been pressuring him, and much of his text is defending the first day of his game, not actively trying to find out who is scum.
The people he lists as scum suspects are not people he's trying to get others to lynch; it's entirely responsive.
I don't know if anybody else has mentioned this, but his first post seemed almost suspiciously over the top (I'm so excited for this game!), and that's another reason I feel okay about lynching him.
I wish I'd had time to look over some more candidates, but at this moment (and time is running short) I don't feel too bad about throwing my vote onto DarthPunk.
##Vote: DarthPunk Call me an egotistic psychology major but the language used here just feels unnatural.
Good, did you feel the arguments in my case were not enough to convince you or is there a particular reason you brought your own reasons?
How do you feel about my other reads?
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2013 02:49 ThePeashooter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 02:42 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2013 02:36 ThePeashooter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 02:19 Vivax wrote:
Does anyone else find suspicious how 3 of the guys I have in my case pop in to talk about a lot of other stuff, one says I'm likely to get NKd and then just disappear and ignore my relevant question? Sorry, I realize you are from Italy and English might not be your native language. I don't in the remotest sense think that there is even the slightest possibility of you dying tonight. There is literally no reason to kill you. My point was that posting 5 suspects is pointless when you can only feasibly kill one of them a day. The only exception to that would of been if you thought you were in imminent danger of dying during this night cycle, which as I pointed out is incredibly unlikely. Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 02:16 Coagulation wrote:
im not suprised gm flips town. there were a good 4 or 5 lynch candidates yesterday and scum probably had no time pickin the one they wanted. We need to consolidate our votes/pressure day 2 or we gonna be in the same spot again. I thought GM was scummy and wanted to let it play out which is why I never said anything earlier in the day. When I saw the choices between him and Zarepath I chose GM. I had GM as scummy in my notes and I felt he only got worse since I had updated them. My notes indicate that I thought Zarepath was leaning town but upon rereading his posts I found that I thought he was more scummy than I initially thought with his first few posts. + Show Spoiler +On March 16 2013 22:05 zarepath wrote:In the last game I played, literally every single person who claimed town in their opening post was scum. Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 16:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi I'm town yadda yadda. BH you wanna try and get a read on me before I go to bed? VE did say in the analysis that he always claims town no matter what, though. But seriously, what is the town motivation for claiming town so early? There's more scum motivation than town motivation. Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 17:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
Maybe next time sport. Tell me, what do you make of geript and his RNG shenanigans? It's said that he RNG'd before the game started and that rather than using the name he drew, he RNG'd AGAIN when the game started! How exciting is that?!
Now, as we know, scum aren't likely to put their scumbuddy up for lynch so easily, so the supposition is that geript and zarepath are scumbuddies, and geript didn't want to put his buddy up for lynch! What do you say to THAT?! Yeah, I reject this notion for obvious reasons, but also for the fact that this is already an association case, isn't it? Granted, I suppose if you assume that there are scum motivations for him switching his RNG, the most obvious reason would be because his original RNG was going to hit scum. But wasn't he told he couldn't use that anyway and have it count as a real RNG? And again, you're already operating on the assumption the switch was scum-motivated. VE's super awesome team sounds dumb. I can't see how any self-respecting scum hunter would agree to unite their votes with 4 other active people no matter what. And honestly, don't the self-respecting scum hunters kind of unite with each other as they prove themselves to each other anyway? I am much more in favor of a "lead scumhunting team" coming about organically from the good scum-hunters recognizing each other as being good than VE deciding who is good and then telling them how to vote. Also, I find all role and setup speculation stupid at this point; even regarding the fact that the OP suggests the possibility of victory conditions changing throughout the game, I don't see how town is better served in finding scum through role speculation without any information with which to base it on, and I don't see why town would want to do anything other than promote a pro-town atmosphere and find scum on the first day regardless of the setup. /offtopic: flavor is awesome On March 16 2013 22:13 zarepath wrote:EBWOP: As an addendum to my final paragraph, that is why I find Peashooter's opening content to be pretty scummy. Honestly, any player could have gone through and guessed at roles based on the titles (and probably did; I did as I skimmed them), but I think it's hardly worth talking about right now. I echo Wave Fell's sentiments here about Peashooter's likely scumminess. Now that I think about it, VE's talk about tarot cards seems especially useless. Another addendum to Coagulation's instant role claim : the very first thing he did after that was apply to the SAST, which is going to look pro-town without actually being pro-town. An addendum to my problems with the SAST: I am not certain as to whether or not VE seriously thought people would like his SAST idea. And one final thought: sciberbia was quick to point out that VE's tarot cards and Peashooter's speculation aren't that scummy (but I disagree and say they are more scummy than anything else so far, btw), and VE makes a good point in response: Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 18:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Interesting. Out of everyone who has posted, you are by far the most verbose. I expect you will be equally verbose when describing things you DO find scummy. So in the end, I currently have my eyes on Coagulation, Peashooter, VE, and sciberbia. I will take a more serious look at geript later. And with those reactions, I am now off for the afternoon to help somebody move. On March 17 2013 04:54 zarepath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not familiar to heavily themed games but what makes me wonder here about the setup is the sheer number of roles. 17 to be exact. Are these all going to be roles with power?
And now off the topic of setup speculation a few things I noticed from the very beginning of the game:
BH playing exactly like I've seen him before, mega aggressive. It works fine for him, he hunts scum and succeeds.
Can't decide whether I like Geript's 'new troll-y' style of playing or not, but ultimately (as many have pointed out) it's probably better than the way he ended in LX.
I don't have any scumreads as of yet (especially since half the thread is yet to post) but I'll be keeping my eye out.
Oh yeah one more thing: VE that SAST idea is retarded in my eyes, but makes me wonder about some sort of extra/3rd party wincon. Something like,' get a bunch of people to join your 3rd party group and successfully get 3-5 people mislynched' or some shit. I can't think of ANY other reason why you'd try to be serious about something that ridiculous. If you're serious about hunting scum, it's probably better you focus on that since you can be a huge asset to town when you're focused. This opening post seems kind of scummy to me. It begins with setup speculation that seems based in ignorance and not in a desire to hunt scum, continues to say that two players are consistent with their meta and he's not sure if he likes that or not, he decides he doesn't like SAST but then turns that into speculation as to a 3rd party wincon (????). Also notice the line thrown in the middle: Show nested quote +
I don't have any scumreads as of yet (especially since half the thread is yet to post) but I'll be keeping my eye out.
It's an excuse for not hunting scum while saying to trust him, he's hunting scum. I would like to see more input from WoS on who he is suspicious of, and why. He just keeps bitching about set up speculation and SAST neither ideas were worth more than a post or two of speculation but over 24 hours into the game he still focuses on this and contributes nothing else of value. It's like he META'd how talking about the set up too much is scummy so he chose to talk about people talking about the set up. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 09:03 zarepath wrote:
Okay, I just poked in to catch up as much as I can -- sorry that I am looking scummy; I will be able to participate much more during the week (as opposed to the weekend) and will hopefully be able to prove my alignment in a better fashion than I have thus far.
Darth Punk was one of something like 8 different people I suspected yesterday, and from the last couple of pages it seems as though his defense of other people's pressure hasn't been stellar. Mainly, all of his reads have been people who have been pressuring him, and much of his text is defending the first day of his game, not actively trying to find out who is scum.
The people he lists as scum suspects are not people he's trying to get others to lynch; it's entirely responsive.
I don't know if anybody else has mentioned this, but his first post seemed almost suspiciously over the top (I'm so excited for this game!), and that's another reason I feel okay about lynching him.
I wish I'd had time to look over some more candidates, but at this moment (and time is running short) I don't feel too bad about throwing my vote onto DarthPunk.
##Vote: DarthPunk Call me an egotistic psychology major but the language used here just feels unnatural. Good, did you feel the arguments in my case were not enough to convince you or is there a particular reason you brought your own reasons? How do you feel about my other reads? I don't actually remember reading your case and I just chose to read Zarepath myself and post what I thought. I just got home a little while ago and was not really in a place where I could post and analyze for an hour last night. On March 19 2013 01:31 ThePeashooter wrote:
There is no point in naming who you think all 5 mafia are when we can only kill one person a day. If you are right they are all on guard now. That was a bit stupid. The only reason you might want to do that is if you think you are very likely to die during this night phase and since half the people thought we were scum buddies at some point yesterday you aren't too likely to be on their list of targets.
I don't understand, you claim to not have read my case but speak of 5 people I named as scum. How does that make sense if you didn't read it?
Don't be shy, what do you think of GK, cosmic and glurio?
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Can you tell me about these 3 guys please? You are here now and read the front page apparently so I don't know what's holding you from reading my case or looking at filters.
I would also like to know why you seemed sure I would be NKd. You'd think I would be NKd if I mentioned good reads no? If I mention 5 townies as guys I want to lynch tomorrow, how does that make me a target for NK?
You said you didn't even read my case properly yet you seem sure it would be enough to get me killed tonight.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2013 01:52 ThePeashooter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 01:40 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2013 01:31 ThePeashooter wrote:
There is no point in naming who you think all 5 mafia are when we can only kill one person a day. If you are right they are all on guard now. That was a bit stupid. The only reason you might want to do that is if you think you are very likely to die during this night phase and since half the people thought we were scum buddies at some point yesterday you aren't too likely to be on their list of targets. Can you find an example please? I remember lots of people thinking you were scum "on your own", but didn't see anyone make the connection like I did. Also it's fine if I die N1. Just shows how well I played lol. ...Did you even read anything I wrote? Also how is it that no one has any capacity to reread something to remember anything that hasn't happened in the last 5 minutes? Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 00:06 kitaman27 wrote:On March 17 2013 13:21 Vivax wrote:
Yamato i think coagulation is not a good choice for d1 for reasons wf pointed out ...is this a scum slip? As far as I know, ThePeashooter's identity as Yamato is not public knowledge. Was it revealed at any point in the thread? Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 01:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 18 2013 01:11 geript wrote:On March 17 2013 06:54 zarepath wrote:
I did mix up your tarot card comment with VE because he mentioned something about them later, I think. I looked through your filter, geript, and I liked your comment about coddling Coag and figured you were null for now.
Didn't even Dr.H point out the that natural reaction to get to after going through a filter and arriving at null for town is to go through another filter? Sciberbia's case is good. There's almost no movement from him whatsoever; just random statements. When he's suspicious of someone he's not interacting with the thread at all when pressure is on that person. It's like he's watching the game from a window. Hell, he even didn't like the warbaby lynch in NMM 37, which you coached scum in, but here he's null on everything it seems. He's lied about every scum claiming town in the first post as it was actually most of the town players who soft and/or hard claimed town in the mid-stages of day 1. He's not showing any town motivation that I've seen whatsoever. His meta's off from 37. And the survival mentality is in his posts throughout. Ohai guise. Geript no offense, but your meta reads are shit. I'll agree with you that something appears...off about zare this game, but glurio does make a point and zare's activity does go way down on weekends. I'm willing to keep an eye on him for now but I don't think he'd be my D1 lynch candidate. I have to look into this Vivax/TPS thing right now because so far it seems the most compelling thing to me. I was going to comment on Coag's bullshit at some point but I figure I have to trust the vets on his meta once again since they ended up being right about Grush last game.....sigh. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 02:19 Coagulation wrote:
I may not be on VEs little circle jerk squad but i can still sheep them.
im gonna vote ThePeashooter.
did anyone ever figure anything out about the yamato slip? was it actually a scum slip? and whats with greymist defending sandroba so hard.
Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 02:23 layabout wrote:On March 18 2013 02:19 Coagulation wrote:
I may not be on VEs little circle jerk squad but i can still sheep them.
im gonna vote ThePeashooter.
did anyone ever figure anything out about the yamato slip? was it actually a scum slip? and whats with greymist defending sandroba so hard.
vivax thinks TPS is yamato and started calling him yamato. So either they are both scum, masons or vivax did something "silly". Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 02:41 kitaman27 wrote:On March 18 2013 01:21 Vivax wrote:
The "scumslip": I tried to guess TPS alignment, and it sounds a lot like (a townish) yamato, especially in the two posts after I voted for him. So I actually would like to know if it's really him since he didn't answer to me yet I think.
I'm not too bad at guessing smurfs, I like to do that as either alignment (LX as reference for me doing it as mafia, LIX for town where I guessed marv correctly). I'm not really buying this explanation. When you addressed to him, you made it sound like a fact as if you knew he was yamato. If you were taking a guess, you could have said something like "hey, are you yamato?" or "This is yamato, isn't it?". Furthermore, TPS posts after you address him as yamato and he thinks nothing of it. If I'm playing a game and someone calls me someone I'm not, I'm going to be awful confused. Even though that happened 10 pages ago, you never brought it up again. TPS had ignored your "guess", yet you never followed up on it. If you were truly curious, why not mention it? You say that you "tried to guess TPS's alignment" and that you thought he was town, yet the previous post indicated that he was your number one scum read. Finally, how can you possibly come to a conclusion on a smurfs identity like that? When I see TPS's posts, I see some random player. I couldn't possibly guess who it was by the sample size you were given. ##Vote: Vivax Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 02:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ugh I like Vivax lynch too. Nothing he's said has made me feel townie on him. I'ma go filter him again.
Kita why you hatin on GM? I think he's fine for now, and I certainly don't like him for lynch today.
Where's the beef? Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 03:01 GreYMisT wrote:
Kita I think its possible that vivax slipped up. I can definitely see that scenario happening in this game. I am not sure I am confident enough in the risk of lynching him based off only that though. Let me look over him for anything else. But yeah, you are definitely a likely kill for tonight.
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I would also like to know why you seemed sure I would be NKd. You'd think I would be NKd if I mentioned good reads no? If I mention 5 townies as guys I want to lynch tomorrow, how does that make me a target for NK?
As in, one that mentions 5 townies wouldn't get NKd, but PeaShooter seems sure that I will get NKd without even having properly read my case apparently.
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Oh didn't realize it was sarcasm apparently. People shouldn't use that it causes trouble in forums.
Don't understand why he's so hostile towards me though.
Anyway, I'm off to training for 2-3 hours so you have plenty of time to give some other reads.
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