EPTIncidentally, this means that I was completely wrong on TPS, who cannot be scum, given that:
a) if WoS is the cop, then obviously TPS is town and
b).if WoS is lying, TPS was one of the first to jump onto WoS, which I doubt mafia would do so quickly.
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Incidentally, this means that I was completely wrong on TPS, who cannot be scum, given that: a) if WoS is the cop, then obviously TPS is town and b).if WoS is lying, TPS was one of the first to jump onto WoS, which I doubt mafia would do so quickly. | ||
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Speaking of which where is Wiggles and why has he not responded to any of the events of the day? | ||
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On March 21 2013 09:15 Vivax wrote: As pointed out with the Bureaucreacy slip in the qt, The Mirror is probably layabout. This also is displayed by his lack of involvement in the game and certain anti-town traits I noticed. I am still confident zarepath, GK and cosmicomics are scum. However, as I see it as of now there are the 2 wildcards I mentioned earlier: Given Trancestorm's latest entrance and a look at his filter I feel he is a good candidate for one of the spots, in the other spot I see fitting either Coag, WF or kita. Coag obviously the guy I'm least sure about. Fairly confident in saying that scum is pushing the Wiggles wagon currently, and VE is grasping at the most likely lynch according to common opinions to save his own hide right now. I disagree with your assessment that scum is pushing the Wiggles wagon. Imagine that you are scum member, and the leading lynch target is a vet who is getting flak for apparently converting into a 3rd party. You don't need to push any wagon in that situation! Just spread your votes around in that situation and you'll come out smelling like roses as you weren't involved in any mislynch. | ||
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On March 21 2013 09:41 Vivax wrote: It's so easy to find people scummy who contribute when there are guys playing so obviously anti-town or trolling or invisible that you don't want to lynch them. "The vigs will settle it" is not a valid attitude. Imagine if you have a whole bunch of such guys but not a vig for each one of them, which will likely be the case in most games. It doesn't look like we have vigs anyway,so it's in our hands. Let's teach this kind of people how to play the game plz Unvote Vote: Coagulation This is actually exactly what I was referring to earlier. You avoid the major candidates of the day and make a case against someone who you know won't be lynched! There's literally no pressure on Coagulation, so why bother voting for him? This entire game you have been pushing unlikely lynch candidates and I am becoming more and more suspicious -> it seems to me like you are trying to appear as if you are contributing to the discussion. | ||
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On March 21 2013 09:54 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 21 2013 09:48 TranceStorm wrote: This is actually exactly what I was referring to earlier. You avoid the major candidates of the day and make a case against someone who you know won't be lynched! There's literally no pressure on Coagulation, so why bother voting for him? This entire game you have been pushing unlikely lynch candidates and I am becoming more and more suspicious -> it seems to me like you are trying to appear as if you are contributing to the discussion. It's much easier for scum to look like they're contributing when they make cases on players most of the thread believes to be scum, since others will find it easier to agree with their cases and hence see them positively. And if scum gets attacked while doing so, the attackers will look like they are attacking the lynch wagon as well, which will attract a lot of attention. You are putting things backwards here. I am contributing to people that most of the thread doesn't seem to care about, and that's what you need usually instead of a blob of collective confirmation bias on single players. Let's think of the game from a scum perspective. Scum want to remain 'under the radar' throughout the game. Therefore, you're presumption is incorrect because even though "others will find it easier to agree with their cases and hence see them positively" on the day of the lynch, being on the mislynch train is incredibly suspicious the following day. Hence, one approach that a mafia player could take is to make lots of cases against a couple of relatively scummy players who don't have much pressure on them and to avoid getting involved in lynches entirely by parking their votes on people who definitely won't get lynched. I'm reasonably certain that you are following this approach. | ||
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On March 21 2013 10:15 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 21 2013 10:11 TranceStorm wrote: Let's think of the game from a scum perspective. Scum want to remain 'under the radar' throughout the game. Therefore, you're presumption is incorrect because even though "others will find it easier to agree with their cases and hence see them positively" on the day of the lynch, being on the mislynch train is incredibly suspicious the following day. Hence, one approach that a mafia player could take is to make lots of cases against a couple of relatively scummy players who don't have much pressure on them and to avoid getting involved in lynches entirely by parking their votes on people who definitely won't get lynched. I'm reasonably certain that you are following this approach. No, being on the mislynch wagon with a load of other townies is no risk for them. Each of the townies on the wagon can't accuse them of that without accusing themselves, and outside townies can't accuse them without accusing other townies, it's the perfect example of blending in. You can be accused of your reasons to switch to it/join it, but not of pushing it or being on it. Sure, that is one approach for blending in. Behaving in the way that I have outlined is also another approach for blending in as well. In the one game I have played where I was mafia (a long time ago), everyone spread their votes between candidates. That is to say, scum won't all behave in the way that you have outlined. My argument is that you have behaved in the way that I have outlined and are worthy of a vote in the next day cycle. Anyways, I'll have to do a bit of work, but I'll be back in roughly 2 hours. | ||
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On March 21 2013 13:34 WaveofShadow wrote: This is the scummiest shit I've ever seen. I am convinced no one in this game knows how to play town or something. Really? How is Ace defensible? What's wrong with Wiggles' case against him? | ||
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On March 21 2013 13:37 WaveofShadow wrote: It had nothing to do with Ace being defensible or Wiggles' case, it's your shameless +1 without adding anything at all. 'HAY GUYS DIS CASE RL GOOD I SHOW U WHY' and then you literally repeat what is in Wriggle's post. Which of you guys was it who found TS scummy again? I can't keep track of anything anymore in this thread. Because the case is really good. As a town member, my job is to pick the best person to vote for. I've seen the best case and so I vote with it. It's stupid to obstinately hold onto your beliefs at all times and not consider changes. There is literally zero defense in this thread or anywhere for Ace. I don't understand why others aren't voting that way. | ||
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On March 21 2013 13:49 Mocsta wrote: OK, reason with me Why is my TestSubject case, less valid than Ace My case is predicated on in-game behaviour.. that captures scum mentality. Wiggles case is meta.. on a guy, who rarely plays anymore, and is more than capable of "changing it up" Ok, I'll reason with you. Your TestSubject case, while compelling has a couple of assumptions that might be flawed. For example, you articulate that TestSubject's vote on GM was based on scummy reasoning: "all martyrs are scum -> GM is scum". However, I don't think that bad reasoning equates to scummy reasoning, hell, there has been plenty of bad reasoning throughout the entire day, and both you and I have been guilty of it. I fail to see the 'scummy agenda' behind the vote. Whereas in Ace's case - there is no debate needed about scummy reasoning or what not. Forget about the meta arguments. The mere fact that Ace has done nothing else in the game, no reads, no pushes on anyone, nothing besides the easy job of targeting VE is more scummy than TestSubject's justification for voting for GM. | ||
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I'm going to be unable to play in this game because I'll have very limited (if any) internet access for the next week or so. I've asked Dr. H for a replacement as a result. I'd just like to say good luck to my replacement and to the town as well. | ||
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