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On March 30 2013 16:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ugh. Very hard to play this game when I've been nothing but town and am still trying to capture that 'scum POV' thing.
I'd really like some analysis of this game by anyone who can do it...
DrH how did you screw up exactly and did you fix it?
scum meant to kill thepeashooter but instead i killed darthpunk
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Even if you are scum, if you are winning purely because you spammed the thread that's not a real win. That would be equivalent to me trying to get you modkilled because I think you are scum. Winning the game through illegitimate methods defeats the point in playing the game.
And I don't believe you will try. I told you how to not triple post, how to not keep posting on your BlazingHand account and you ignored me multiple times and proceeded to triple post.
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Honestly, I don't see what the big deal is. Personally, I don't see why he even has a smurf account considering how bad he is at using it and it's not like his smurf is a secret.
Either way, I would love to have some constructive criticism on my play.
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On March 30 2013 17:17 RyuSuzaku wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 17:13 ThePeashooter wrote:
You play like a complete asshole. That is not a compliment. Your spammy post style is not a legitimate play style and its utterly discouraging. it's not an illegitimate strategy at all. He was scum, his interest is in getting town disorganised. Posting a lot accomplishes this and nothing he did broke any rules. If you don't like players who do that, make a policy to lynch or pressure them when they do it, and punish them for it. Trust me when I say you will probably discourage townies from contributing, and it'll probably backfire. You have to be good enough to realize when a player needs to be ignored/lynched for posting too much.
It's not a legitimate strategy. It's posting something that should of been in one post in 5 posts just for the sake of making the game unplayable. That isn't legitimately trying to win. You are trying to make it so its too much effort/work for players to read you/the thread by artificial means. He probably had 5x the posts I had and maybe 2x the words.
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On March 30 2013 17:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 16:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ugh. Very hard to play this game when I've been nothing but town and am still trying to capture that 'scum POV' thing.
I'd really like some analysis of this game by anyone who can do it...
DrH how did you screw up exactly and did you fix it? scum meant to kill thepeashooter but instead i killed darthpunk
You also kept forgetting to send me RB PMs. 
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Blazinghand
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Whatever the case is, I think that although I may have crossed a few lines regarding spam (I had a few triple posts this game, but a couple of those were to cover up scumslips), ultimately my goal wasn't to make town productive. TPS, whatever criticisms you may have of my play, I did successfully hold up town for a couple of days and despite my spamming not obviously give away scum. In fact, my filter had a lot of red herrings, including zarepath and co, and you got suckered by it. I won't say what I did was amazing, because tbh I think the scumteam and my scum play was just ok. It was really Kitaman who saved us from the threat of a 3p victory who deserves praise for this game, and WBG for keeping Geript from making really bad busses and fakeclaims.
But you seem to be a smart and thoughtful guy, and when I was dead there was really nothing stopping you from leading town to a victory on your own merits. I'm sorry I upset you, and I will take your criticisms into consideration. I don't know what else to say at this point-- I'm sorry for making you angry.
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On March 30 2013 17:25 geript wrote:
Honestly, I don't see what the big deal is. Personally, I don't see why he even has a smurf account considering how bad he is at using it and it's not like his smurf is a secret.
Either way, I would love to have some constructive criticism on my play.
This is the other thing I want to know. Why do you even bother using a second account if you let everyone know who you are? What is the point?
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Blazinghand
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On March 30 2013 17:22 ThePeashooter wrote:
Even if you are scum, if you are winning purely because you spammed the thread that's not a real win. That would be equivalent to me trying to get you modkilled because I think you are scum. Winning the game through illegitimate methods defeats the point in playing the game.
And I don't believe you will try. I told you how to not triple post, how to not keep posting on your BlazingHand account and you ignored me multiple times and proceeded to triple post.
Also, and I'm gonna be 100% clear here, I DO access Wade Fell from chrome and Blazinghand from Firefox, and I have done this for all my smurfs. I'm actually dumb enough that I forget what browser I'm using. I can't go saying this in the thread during the game though because nobody will believe me.
EDIT: And if you don't believe in my good faith, I am sorry for having ruined my reputation in your eyes. There's nothing then that I can say at this point-- you don't believe I'll try, and don't trust my word, even outside the game. I'm sorry you feel that way, and perhaps in time my play in future games will convince you otherwise. There is nothing more I can say.
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WBG was smurfing this game? Who was he?
Any specific critiques of my terrible play anyone has?
I couldn't make a read this game to save my life and I apparently have no idea how to even go about doing it.....
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Just to beat a dead horse. Maybe instead of triple posting to cover up scum slips you can reread your post using the preview feature and not have them there to begin with.
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On March 30 2013 17:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
WBG was smurfing this game? Who was he?
Any specific critiques of my terrible play anyone has?
I couldn't make a read this game to save my life and I apparently have no idea how to even go about doing it.....
The only mafia smurf we don't know. He would have to be RyuSuzaku.
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On March 30 2013 17:22 ThePeashooter wrote:
Even if you are scum, if you are winning purely because you spammed the thread that's not a real win. That would be equivalent to me trying to get you modkilled because I think you are scum. Winning the game through illegitimate methods defeats the point in playing the game.
And I don't believe you will try. I told you how to not triple post, how to not keep posting on your BlazingHand account and you ignored me multiple times and proceeded to triple post.
what?
Do you think cheesing in Starcraft is an illegitimate way to win?
Do you think using a triple pronged drop as Terran is an illegitimate win because you're forcing the opponent to multitask?
Like, I really don't understand this. There is nothing in the rules against posting a lot. It simply sounds like you're butthurt over BH playing to his wincondition.
What would be against the rules would be something like betting money on someone flipping a certain alignment, or doing something that's outside of the realm of the game (i.e. using encryption, or writing a script to spam the thread, or something similar) to gain an advantage.
Posting a lot is not illegitimate, and it's honestly laughable that you consider it so even when plenty of townies posted more than BH. If you don't know what I'm talking about, look at both VE's and Mocsta's filters.
You calling it an illegitimate strategy is just evidence that you are biased against BH's style in this particular case, as I don't see you telling Mocsta and VE that they fucked over town with their play.
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On March 30 2013 17:26 Blazinghand wrote:
Also, and I'm gonna be 100% clear here, I DO access Wade Fell from chrome and Blazinghand from Firefox, and I have done this for all my smurfs. I'm actually dumb enough that I forget what browser I'm using. I can't go saying this in the thread during the game though because nobody will believe me.
I'd believe you  I had you caught halfway into D1. My real question is why when I present a bus attempt does no one even read it? I know that Wiggles noted in his case that I had a 5-6 page filter and he had me at null (which I was ecstatic about), but I really think that newbs get listened to far less often than they should.
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
On March 30 2013 17:26 ThePeashooter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 17:25 geript wrote:
Honestly, I don't see what the big deal is. Personally, I don't see why he even has a smurf account considering how bad he is at using it and it's not like his smurf is a secret.
Either way, I would love to have some constructive criticism on my play. This is the other thing I want to know. Why do you even bother using a second account if you let everyone know who you are? What is the point?
I have smurfed before (under Admiral Aardvark and Toutestchaos) and I have had difficulties remembering which browser I am using. After I accidentally outed myself during LX while playing under WF, I decided next time I play normally I'd play a test game on an outed smurf to see if I could avoid "outing" myself for a full game, as practice for when I want to smurf again in the future.
Edit: needless to say, I failed miserably
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On March 30 2013 17:26 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 17:22 ThePeashooter wrote:
Even if you are scum, if you are winning purely because you spammed the thread that's not a real win. That would be equivalent to me trying to get you modkilled because I think you are scum. Winning the game through illegitimate methods defeats the point in playing the game.
And I don't believe you will try. I told you how to not triple post, how to not keep posting on your BlazingHand account and you ignored me multiple times and proceeded to triple post. Also, and I'm gonna be 100% clear here, I DO access Wade Fell from chrome and Blazinghand from Firefox, and I have done this for all my smurfs. I'm actually dumb enough that I forget what browser I'm using. I can't go saying this in the thread during the game though because nobody will believe me. EDIT: And if you don't believe in my good faith, I am sorry for having ruined my reputation in your eyes. There's nothing then that I can say at this point-- you don't believe I'll try, and don't trust my word, even outside the game. I'm sorry you feel that way, and perhaps in time my play in future games will convince you otherwise. There is nothing more I can say.
If you just said that instead of shirking it off I would of been considerably less annoyed. But still, why do you have a smurf that everyone knows? What's the point in even using it?
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
On March 30 2013 17:29 ThePeashooter wrote:
Just to beat a dead horse. Maybe instead of triple posting to cover up scum slips you can reread your post using the preview feature and not have them there to begin with.
I do read my posts with preview (though mostly to check for formatting) and I actually legitimatelly missed a scumslip, one that I didn't notice until like 10 minutes after the post was made. I realized I needed to clarify, and nobody had responded, so I posted again. I did what I did because I needed to win.
Perhaps more editing time would be appropriate
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On March 30 2013 17:30 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 17:26 Blazinghand wrote:
Also, and I'm gonna be 100% clear here, I DO access Wade Fell from chrome and Blazinghand from Firefox, and I have done this for all my smurfs. I'm actually dumb enough that I forget what browser I'm using. I can't go saying this in the thread during the game though because nobody will believe me. I'd believe you I had you caught halfway into D1. My real question is why when I present a bus attempt does no one even read it? I know that Wiggles noted in his case that I had a 5-6 page filter and he had me at null (which I was ecstatic about), but I really think that newbs get listened to far less often than they should.
no one read it probably because people are less inclined to look at more inactive posters, and because there were simply so many posts to begin with.
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On March 30 2013 17:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
WBG was smurfing this game? Who was he?
Any specific critiques of my terrible play anyone has?
I couldn't make a read this game to save my life and I apparently have no idea how to even go about doing it.....
I would say: Read more and post less. I would also comb through what dead townies post. It's not all usable, but Ryu should've been hung on the bus attempt I made on him. It was a weak bus attempt sure, but when multiple dead townies are saying the same thing then people really should be taking a closer look.
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